Would you vote for Fianna Fail in the next general election?

Daftendirekt

Curious to see see what the consensus is on Boards.

Is Fianna Fail's time finally up, or will the "Ah sure what alternatives are there?" attitude continue to prevail.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Daftendirekt wrote: »

Will Fianna Fail be voted in at the next election?

Probably.

The Mad Hatter

Daftendirekt wrote: »

Curious to see see what the consensus is on Boards.

Is Fianna Fail's time finally up, or will the "Ah sure what alternatives are there?" attitude continue to prevail.

The second thing. Almost certainly. People are dumb.

Sharpshooter

It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always get in.

galwayrush

If enough inbred and blind to the facts ("vote as your daddy and grandfather did ") FF supporters emigrate, they will be booted out.

jhegarty

I can tell you one thing. The greens won't have one seat next time.

OctavarIan

Let me just put on my future telling hat...

Yes, they will be. Like 'The Mad Hatter' said, Irish people are dumb.

I've never voted for fianna fail and never will. Why aren't the poll results shown?

DubLass

Fingers firmly crossed they wont be but a lot of people are of the "divil you know" opinion which has this country where it is today.

Riamfada

Ha Brian Cowen = Daftendirekt . Apt username. Fianna Fail using boards.ie to judge voters. Well it wont work due to the fact that what no one ever votes Fianna Fail they always seem to get elected. I put it down to the fact that Irish people are idiots. No Offence and also whats the alternative? New form of government ftw. What we need is one strong leader making laws without consultation to bring us into the future!

JangoFett

I think they will

People are blaming them for the state of the economy. The economy is in the state it's in because of a global downturn. People are going as far as placing all the blame on Cowen, it makes no sense.

Who else would we vote in? Enda fcuking Kenny? The biggest bitch on the planet? With practically NO experience of being in government? No thanks!

galwayrush

Results now shown. I am shocked that anyone would consider voting for FF after their decade plus of monumental **** ups the've managed..:eek:

Riamfada

galwayrush wrote: »

Results now shown. I am shocked that anyone would consider voting for FF after their decade plus of monumental **** ups the've managed..:eek:

Its not "will you vote FF" its "will FF be voted back in" . I think the Thread title and Poll title are causing confusion .I voted yes but meant no. I mean I voted no but meant yes. Wait are you sure Daftendirekt isnt Brian Cowen cause this is seeming more and more like a referendum the more I look at it.

galwayrush wrote: »

People are blaming them for the state of the economy. The economy is in the state it's in because of a global downturn.:

And nothing to do with building an country on an unsustainable property market?

galwayrush

Grimes wrote: »

And nothing to do with building an country on an unsustainable property market?

+
Quangos
HSE mess
Every project going vastly over budget
E-Voting
Even Berties make up bill would have fed a few families every week.(that makes him a bigger bitch than Kenny could ever be)

Daftendirekt

Grimes wrote: »

Ha Brian Cowen = Daftendirekt . Apt username. Fianna Fail using boards.ie to judge voters. Well it wont work due to the fact that what no one ever votes Fianna Fail they always seem to get elected. I put it down to the fact that Irish people are idiots. No Offence and also whats the alternative? New form of government ftw. What we need is one strong leader making laws without consultation to bring us into the future!

Umm... If you're implying I'm a Fianna Fail member, you're wrong. I don't support any of the political parties.

byte

Balls, I misvoted too, due to poll question being somewhat different to thread title.

I've been had by my hastiness

galwayrush

Now i understand the Education cut backs, keep the people ignorant and thick and they will continue to vote FF.

road_high

JangoFett wrote: »

I think they will

People are blaming them for the state of the economy. The economy is in the state it's in because of a global downturn. People are going as far as placing all the blame on Cowen, it makes sense.

Who else would we vote in? Enda fcuking Kenny? The biggest bitch on the planet? With practically NO experience of being in government? No thanks!

Did daddy tell you to say all that lol

mikemac

Yep, I'd say they will and I've a sneaking suspicion that Michael Martin (can't type fadas ) will be next Taoiseach.

The Green Party will be decimated.

And for all those posting FF voters are dumb and only voting for family reasons, that's pretty arrogant imo!
Sure did you even vote as I'm remember so many threads on boards at the last election that' "I'm in college/work and now I can't vote on a Thursday, boo hoo..........."

Attack FF all you want, I'll even join you.
But don't call someone dumb just because you don't like their choice. Feckin childish!

Daftendirekt

JangoFett wrote: »

I think they will

People are blaming them for the state of the economy. The economy is in the state it's in because of a global downturn. People are going as far as placing all the blame on Cowen, it makes sense.

People are blaming them for the state of the economy, because they failed utterly to prepare this country for the downturn. Global recession or not, FF have not been helping matters.

JangoFett

mfitzy wrote: »

Did daddy tell you to say all that lol

No, actually paying attention to current events and realising what is actually going on told me to say that.

Great "boardsie" reply man.

And also, what could the government have done to prevent the global downturn affecting Ireland?

Daftendirekt

byte wrote: »

Balls, I misvoted too, due to poll question being somewhat different to thread title.

I've been had by my hastiness

Rats, I should've known that would cause some confusion. Results look promising so far though.

Bob the Builder

galwayrush wrote: »

Now i understand the Education cut backs, keep the people ignorant and thick and they will continue to vote FF.

Lol...

What people don't get is that Ireland becamer fat and ignorant during the celtic tiger. Instead of sitting on the back burner in Europe and taking all the handouts from the EU, we started pumping more and more resources into the EU and gave away all our fish, for what? a few euro for the farmers?

And whereas once upon a time, we had the likes of Whittaker in power, constantly promoting intrapreneurship and everyone knew what they were at. The only law enforcers were the unions - going on strike and what not.

Since 1997, we have simply throw money at everything that went wrong, constantly commissioning reports. So much now that there's rampant paedophiles in the clergy literally sexually abusing children and we're sitting on our hands waiting for .... a report?

We're throwing money at stuff and we dont even know what its for. All we know is there's a problem and we've been told we need a couple of million to fix it. We spent so long giving rights to people, and health and safety officers rampant all over the place and auditors here and there chasing after the little people - yet you have the likes of Sean Fitzpatrick and co. (ie. the financial regulator) just knit picking 100's of millions of people's deposits.

Why they ever put in a qualified barrister in as Miniter for Finance is beyond me. That ignorant fúckface couldnt even do his job as minister for children.

There is an alternative out there, but we're all so far up our own holes, and inbred from our grandparents that we've told Fianna Fáíl they have a God Given right to power. The alternative has been sitting on the backbenches for years. They've seen everything go wrong, and unfortunately the opposition are the only ones still in touch.

Biggins

Someone sad enough might put them back in.
Personally, I hope they are fcuking decimated along with the full of schite Greens!

R0ot

Better question would be, are the majority of voters still going to be ignorant to everything going on around them and vote the same way they always do regardless of policies, successes and failures of said party.... :pac:

Daftendirekt

JangoFett wrote: »

And also, what could the government have done to prevent the global downturn affecting Ireland?

Probably nothing. Better management of our own economy could have minimised the damage though.

My knowledge of economics leaves a lot to be desired, but hopefully someone else can tackle your question in more detail.

Ostrom

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

The second thing. Almost certainly. People are dumb.

Maybe so, but the people who should be voting (urban professionals, students - usual regular complainants) - dont

banshee_bones

i really really hope not but then again the voters in this country never seem to learn :rolleyes:

jaffa20

Not another Fianna Fail thread

jaffa20

byte wrote: »

Balls, I misvoted too, due to poll question being somewhat different to thread title.

I've been had by my hastiness

Same here. Meant to vote no but the thread title was misleading. So that makes the poll void.

Daftendirekt

jaffa20 wrote: »

Not another Fianna Fail thread

I know I know .

I just noticed so much Fianna Fail bashing around these parts lately that I wondered whether people were finally going to turn on them.

Davidius

Everybody vote for me.

You know, a big practical joke and that! Definitely not a plan to seize power, nope!

road_high

JangoFett wrote: »

No, actually paying attention to current events and realising what is actually going on told me to say that.

Great "boardsie" reply man.

And also, what could the government have done to prevent the global downturn affecting Ireland?

BS. This "global" downturn thing is the perfect cop out for the FF faithful. Basically washes their hands of any responsibility for mismanagement of the Irish economy.
We were first of the EU countries to enter recession and seems to from what I'm reading unemployment is rising far faster here than any other EU country. So go figure.
I just don't buy into blaming the "global donturn" entirely for Irelands economic woes.

Ulysses Gaze

And also, what could the government have done to prevent the global downturn affecting Ireland?

Simple....they should not have promoted the mad property speculation that has destroyed our banks (which granted has not been helped by the global financial meltdown).

FF gave tax breaks for property development (sec 23 etc) which meant Builders built masses of houses (taking out huge loans from the banks) which were then purchased by investors (mortgaging their own homes as collateral in some cases - more debt on the banks books) which then drove up the cost of houses - this meant people needed to be paid more to service jumbo mortagages (or get on the ladder) - this wiped out our competitiveness which had in effect created a very nice little export economy we'd started to build in the late 1990's.

So the country based on FF 'economic' policy was building and investing in building (apart from proper infrastructure) - so much so that building and related trades were 25% of GDP!!! Madness!! For an industry that can't produce exported good? How long were we going to sell houses to each other?

Once the financial market went into meltdown the Irish banks suddenly found themselves unable to pay the billions of euros in loan debts that exist because of their investment in the property industry. Developers have found that land they purchased is now worth half of what they paid for it and have no chance in hell of paying back their loans to the banks who will need to be nationalised.

The problem is that thanks to 10 years of FF mismanagment and promotion of the property bubble we have nada to fall back on.....no export industries of considerable, crap infrastructure, no ubiquitous broadband or WiFi and crippling taxes such as PRSI and VAT that hinder small businesses from starting and running at profits and a complete reliance on FDI (80-90% of our exports are from foreign companies based here) .....not to mention electricty costs which are ridiculous....and because of our high costs the likes of Dell have gone...taking another 5% of GDP with them.

And we now have to find billions of euros to run the country because tax revenues from property (now a dead duck) are gone. So we will struggle to pay the 'Social Partners' their benchmarking awards. And rightly (or wrongly) they will refuse to take the hit. Another great FF Policy!

So yeah....I think FF policy is to blame for the state of the economy......

....but I won't hold my breath as to whether they get less than 38% in the next election.....

Firetrap

I've never voted for them but have a nasty feeling that even if there was a general election in the morning, they'd get back in. Problem is that all politics is local. People might hate the two Brians and the other dimwits in the cabinet but it's not their name that appears on the ballot sheet. When it comes down to it, the TDs with safe seats would have to do something really really despicable to lose out in an election.

kwinabeeste

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Simple....they should not have promoted the mad property speculation that has destroyed our banks (which granted has not been helped by the global financial meltdown).

FF gave tax breaks for property development (sec 23 etc) which meant Builders built masses of houses (taking out huge loans from the banks) which were then purchased by investors (mortgaging their own homes as collateral in some cases - more debt on the banks books) which then drove up the cost of houses - this meant people needed to be paid more to service jumbo mortagages (or get on the ladder) - this wiped out our competitiveness which had in effect created a very nice little export economy we'd started to build in the late 1990's.

So the country based on FF 'economic' policy was building and investing in building (apart from proper infrastructure) - so much so that building and related trades were 25% of GDP!!! Madness!! For an industry that can't produce exported good? How long were we going to sell houses to each other?

Once the financial market went into meltdown the Irish banks suddenly found themselves unable to pay the billions of euros in loan debts that exist because of their investment in the property industry. Developers have found that land they purchased is now worth half of what they paid for it and have no chance in hell of paying back their loans to the banks who will need to be nationalised.

The problem is that thanks to 10 years of FF mismanagment and promotion of the property bubble we have nada to fall back on.....no export industries of considerable, crap infrastructure, no ubiquitous broadband or WiFi and crippling taxes such as PRSI and VAT that hinder small businesses from starting and running at profits and a complete reliance on FDI (80-90% of our exports are from foreign companies based here) .....not to mention electricty costs which are ridiculous....and because of our high costs the likes of Dell have gone...taking another 5% of GDP with them.

And we now have to find billions of euros to run the country because tax revenues from property (now a dead duck) are gone. So we will struggle to pay the 'Social Partners' their benchmarking awards. And rightly (or wrongly) they will refuse to take the hit. Another great FF Policy!

So yeah....I think FF policy is to blame for the state of the economy......

....but I won't hold my breath as to whether they get less than 38% in the next election.....

I was gonna try and defend their handling of the economy and the impact of the global economy, but I agreed with everything above.

Even if the property market provided a lot of jobs, the net result of the boom is now the recession and the banking crisis.

I voted FF in last few elections (and not for family reasons - My dad is a card carrying member of FG) not sure what i'll do in the next one at the moment.

shqipshume

For the love of God and for all that is sane please people dont do it:(

Vote no

ejmaztec

They'll get an absolute majority on the grounds that nobody will believe that lightning will strike twice in the same place. Don't forget not to stand under any trees.

The Mad Hatter

OctavarIan wrote: »

Let me just put on my future telling hat...

Yes, they will be. Like 'The Mad Hatter' said, Irish people are dumb.

Let's not be biased - that's not quite what I said.

mikemac wrote: »

The Green Party will be decimated.

Huh? A tenth of them will be killed? (sorry, couldn't resist...)

mikemac wrote: »

And for all those posting FF voters are dumb and only voting for family reasons, that's pretty arrogant imo!
Sure did you even vote as I'm remember so many threads on boards at the last election that' "I'm in college/work and now I can't vote on a Thursday, boo hoo..........."

Attack FF all you want, I'll even join you.
But don't call someone dumb just because you don't like their choice. Feckin childish!

Then call me arrogant. But if the contract of an employee who had shown consistent incompetence and arrogance, and who had used huge swathes of company resources on poorly planned projects with nothing to show for them expired, and his employer rehired him - you'd think he was pretty dumb, too, wouldn't you?

Incidentally, speaking personally, yes I did vote (and had to travel across the country and back to do so because the election was on a Thursday).

Biggins

ejmaztec wrote: »

They'll get an absolute majority on the grounds that nobody will believe that lightning will strike twice in the same place. Don't forget not to stand under any trees.

...and turn around three times, then spit!

deleriumtremens

"Would you vote for Fianna Fail in the next general election?"


http://citizenchris.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/16/no.jpg

ninebeanrows

The fact that at this point in time that 17% of people would still vote for FF tells it all. That's of young people inclined not to vote FF.

Even if an election were to be called tomorrow, in the middle of Ireland fall to pieces they would still get 30% of the vote, which is an embarrassing reflection of Irish people.

Refresh

Will i vote for them? No

will they win the election? Yes

sdanseo

Not another thread about this, surely. :O

meglome

JangoFett wrote: »

I think they will

People are blaming them for the state of the economy. The economy is in the state it's in because of a global downturn. People are going as far as placing all the blame on Cowen, it makes no sense.

Who else would we vote in? Enda fcuking Kenny? The biggest bitch on the planet? With practically NO experience of being in government? No thanks!

It's bull**** to suggest our problems are a result of the global downturn, they are made worse by it fair enough but by no means created by it. I'm not a supporter of any political party but I have been personally worried for years by the behaviour of our government, the huge waste and spending of money from a bubble that couldn't last. This government was mainly made up of Fianna Fail so that's where the axe should fall. It'll be a long long time before I could be convinced to vote for them. Enda Kenny isn't that great but given the hole Fianna Fail have put us in voting for your pet hamster might have been a better option.

meglome

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

Incidentally, speaking personally, yes I did vote (and had to travel across the country and back to do so because the election was on a Thursday).

Actually that really pissed me off even though I only had to go up the road. Elections should be held on a Saturday or Sunday only. Holding it on a Thursday when you know many students can't or won't vote is extremely undemocratic.

meglome

Weathercheck wrote: »

The fact that at this point in time that 17% of people would still vote for FF tells it all. That's of young people inclined not to vote FF.

Even if an election were to be called tomorrow, in the middle of Ireland fall to pieces they would still get 30% of the vote, which is an embarrassing reflection of Irish people.

We get the government we deserve. Maybe this current mess might get people to take their heads out of their collective arses.

Biggins

meglome wrote: »

Actually that really pissed me off even though I only had to go up the road. Elections should be held on a Saturday or Sunday only. Holding it on a Thursday when you know many students can't or won't vote is extremely undemocratic.

I (and many I have spoken to over the years) suspect thats why they do it partly.
The F.F. schites know that if the youth of this country even semi-mobilised and got up and voted, they would be so truly fcuked.
It would take them years and years to recover and climb back in numbers.

RiverWilde

I won't be voting FF or Greens in the next election. I'd sooner hack off my testicles with a teaspoon.

Riv

K-9

meglome wrote: »

Actually that really pissed me off even though I only had to go up the road. Elections should be held on a Saturday or Sunday only. Holding it on a Thursday when you know many students can't or won't vote is extremely undemocratic.

YEP, Blame everybody else, except the students for not being bothered enough to vote on a Thursday.

If it's that important, take a day off!

Hell, hold protests on a Thursday!

thebman

Personally I don't see how I could vote FF/Green ever again with a clear conscience unless both parties under go drastic changes to the way they do business and change the source of their funding.