Who Would You Like to See as Ireland Captain for 6 Nations

Twin-go

Starting New Thread to see who is the Peoples Choice for Ireland Captain

Noopti

Paul O'Connell, for the following reasons:

1. He deserves a decent shot at it. Not just as a stand in for BOD
2. He is a great captain for Munster and they are a considerably more assured team when he is playing/captaining
3. I firmly believe the captain should come from somewhere 1-10. Which would also allow for Best and ROG.
4. He has the experience of leading a team in pressurised, cup winning scenarios and this would stand to him, and the team for the tough 6N games.

Just my own opinion. I'm sure whoever does end up Captain will give it their all anyway.

tbaymusicman

the bull hayes cause its his field hehehehe

bamboozle

POC deserves not to get it as he has not transformed his provincial performances onto the international field.
much as i admire POC i dont rate him as an intelligent mind on the pitch, some of his lineout calls are terrible, he seems to focus on calling to the tail of the lineout. The irish lineout has gone backwards at a rate of knots in recent years and blame has to go on the person who is calling the shots.
For what its worth i'd have ROG as captain, and the BOD.

bleg

the irish backline has gone backwards at a rate greater than the lineout. how you can justify having o gara or o driscoll as captain is beyond me. surely if o connell is to blame for the lineout then the 2 most instrumental backline players are responsible for backline play ergo ruling them out by your logic.

cianl1

Do we even have to ask this question? The man, the legend, the GOD!!!! that is Paul O'Connell will get captaincy, either that or O'Gara, but maybe, just maybe Kidney will chicken out and give it to O'Driscoll.

Brewster

I think Paul should be named as captain.

Best, ROG and Drico as vice captains! Keep everyone happy!!

Podge_irl

I have no idea how anyone can put O'Gara forward as a serious candidate.

I'm not bothered whether its O'Connell or O'Driscoll to be honest. They practically share the captaincy as it is

RugbyFanatic

How are people serious about ROG?

He regularly can have shockers where he doesn't want to know and has criticised his teammates regularly. He scapegoated and slagged off Murphy, essentially he criticised all his teammates saying they didn't play with passion, threatened to walk out on the team if he didn't get more game time ahead of Humphreys etc.

For what its worth Best or BOD however if POC was to get it I wouldn't complain.

Serenity Now!

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

How are people serious about ROG?

He regularly can have shockers where he doesn't want to know and has criticised his teammates regularly. He scapegoated and slagged off Murphy, essentially he criticised all his teammates saying they didn't play with passion, threatened to walk out on the team if he didn't get more game time ahead of Humphreys etc

Would you ever change the effing record?

Zzzzzzzzzzzz.........:rolleyes:

Voted O'Driscoll because it makes bugger all difference. O'Connell will be rousing up the forwards and O'Driscoll marshalling the backs anyway regardless of who is captain. They both do the job at halftime. So does Best.

deepriverrock

ferris

RugbyFanatic

Serenity Now! wrote: »

Would you ever change the effing record?

Zzzzzzzzzzzz.........:rolleyes:

I am replying to a thread which is centered around Ronan O'Gara and 3 other players so I am entitled to mention him. If you have a problem with my point just ignore it or counter it. What you have just written contributes nothing to discussion. Well done.

Stev_o

deepriverrock wrote: »

ferris

This actually makes sense. Didnt think about having Ferris as captain

phog

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

How are people serious about ROG?

He regularly can have shockers where he doesn't want to know and has criticised his teammates regularly. He scapegoated and slagged off Murphy, essentially he criticised all his teammates saying they didn't play with passion, threatened to walk out on the team if he didn't get more game time ahead of Humphreys etc.

For what its worth Best or BOD however if POC was to get it I wouldn't complain.

You must this saved somewhere ready to copy & paste in every topic where ROG is mentioned.

I voted for ROG because we've a new management team and to continue with some change I went for a new captain and with that in mind thought ROG was by far the best option.

RugbyFanatic

phog wrote: »

You must this saved somewhere ready to copy & paste in every topic where ROG is mentioned.

I voted for ROG because we've a new management team and to continue with some change I went for a new captain and with that in mind thought ROG was by far the best option.

ROG threatened to walk out on the squad hes hardly the type that puts the team first.

What does Roy Keane, Stephen Ireland, Ronan O'Gara and Cork Hurlers have in common? They always put themselves ahead of their team and are all from Cork.

Sparky14

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

ROG threatened to walk out on the squad hes hardly the type that puts the team first.

What does Roy Keane, Stephen Ireland, Ronan O'Gara and Cork Hurlers have in common? They always put themselves ahead of their team and are all from Cork.

Interesting you draw the comparison with Roy Keane considering he was one of the best captains Utd & Ireland have had. If ROG was anything like the Captain Roy Keane was there would be no need for this discussion.

soundsham

agree with rog
poc will rouse the forwards anyway and the players could do with a change from bod

thehighground

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

ROG threatened to walk out on the squad hes hardly the type that puts the team first.

So, ROG threatened to walk out on the Ireland squad :rolleyes:. You do realise if he walked out on the Ireland squad, he would be out the door in Munster because it is the IRFU that employs him. It is doubtful if ROG is that stupid. If you believe that he threatened to walk out, presumably you believe he is very anxious to play for Ireland :eek:

Now, before making such allegations, can you supply a source of this information please? (and don't bother quoting any newspaper 'extracts' from ROG's book. They have been edited and sensationalised to sell newspapers to people like you who wouldn't read his actual book because you have some axe to grind).

What does Roy Keane, Stephen Ireland, Ronan O'Gara and Cork Hurlers have in common? They always put themselves ahead of their team and are all from Cork.

Roy Keane certainly got the right results on the pitch when captain of Man Utd & Ireland. (You a Liverpool supporter then?)

thehighground

soundsham wrote: »

agree with rog
poc will rouse the forwards anyway and the players could do with a change from bod

I voted for ROG (to annoy RugbyFanatic) but I actually think POC might be better because generally the forwards need to talk to the ref a lot and so he would be in a better position to influence him.

Interesting that the Munster squad vote for their captain. A much better system really.

sock puppet

thehighground wrote: »

I voted for ROG (to annoy RugbyFanatic) but I actually think POC might be better because generally the forwards need to talk to the ref a lot and so he would be in a better position to influence him.

Interesting that the Munster squad vote for their captain. A much better system really.

Why? Is it common practice? Do many other teams do it?

cianl1

It just makes sense really, the players themselves always know who's working and who isn't so they should be the ones to make the decision.

soundsham

ya we always did it to pick our junior b hurling capt:pac::pac:

cianl1

It's not Cork hurling is it?:rolleyes:

thehighground

sock puppet wrote: »

Why? Is it common practice? Do many other teams do it?

Why? Its a team sport - players select who they will follow. They will also vote for someone who can talk nice to a ref and get them out of a spot of bother etc. etc. Its not unusual to vote for your 'leader' rather than have your 'leader' imposed. I don't know if anyone else does it - but it certainly works for Munster who are regarded as a 'great team' in that people frequently comment how they really look out for each over and cover each others mistakes and put in a great 'team' effort generally.

thehighground

cianl1 wrote: »

It's not Cork hurling is it?:rolleyes:

In fairness, they fight together as a team on all fronts!

cianl1

I know, just a joke. Despite my Blue-and-Lighter Blue heritage, I do respect them as a team.

thehighground

cianl1 wrote: »

I know, just a joke. Despite my Blue-and-Lighter Blue heritage, I do respect them as a team.

... TBH, I have to admit to enjoying the latest installment of the Cork soap opera as I'm from Tipp

cianl1

Again, I'm a Dubliner, this to me is so sweet it's like chocolate:D, I just love laughing at Cork. No offence to Cork people, you're all wonderful, but still...haha!

bleg

somebody should really make a GAA forum

cianl1

Off you go then...:)

thehighground

bleg wrote: »

somebody should really make a GAA forum

Sure didn't half the Munster team play hurling ... and one or two of the Leinster lads play football ...

You from Cork bleg?

Chucky the tree

cianl1 wrote: »

Again, I'm a Dubliner, this to me is so sweet it's like chocolate:D, I just love laughing at Cork. No offence to Cork people, you're all wonderful, but still...haha!

It's still not as much fun as laughing at the Dub's football team fail year after year. Especially when the supporters always say "This is our year, i know it".

cianl1

How is that funny? It's ****ing true until the bastards make a balls of it!:mad:

You're from Cork aren't you? Care to explain why you're in the real capital of culture?:D

Chucky the tree

cianl1 wrote: »

How is that funny? It's ****ing true until the bastards make a balls of it!:mad:

You're from Cork aren't you? Care to explain why you're in the real capital of culture?:D

No it's not. They look good because they play in a **** provence but once they have to play other teams it all goes tits up. It's as comical as the English in soccer whenever they get to a world cup.


Capital of culture? :pac: Family moved up here, didnt have much choice really.

cianl1

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Capital of culture? :pac:

A referrence to Cork having been voted European Capital of Culture, and then as we all know, Cork people all declare Cork city as the true capital of Ireland,and yet...it's not. So, as I heard from one very on-the-ball man while walking around the streets of home, "Does that mean Dublin is the real capital of culture?"

thehighground

Chucky the tree wrote: »

It's still not as much fun as laughing at the Dub's football team fail year after year. Especially when the supporters always say "This is our year, i know it".

I enjoy that too (no offence meant)! :DAs sure as night becomes day every year

bleg

thehighground wrote: »

Sure didn't half the Munster team play hurling ... and one or two of the Leinster lads play football ...

You from Cork bleg?

**** no

Crash

Folks, can we even vaguely get back on topic? I've had to delete posts i've written about cork hurlers, Cork as the capital of culture, the dublin footballers, and Roy Keane in Saipan at this point, its getting a bit ridiculuous

:pac:

Serenity Now!

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

I am replying to a thread which is centered around Ronan O'Gara and 3 other players so I am entitled to mention him. If you have a problem with my point just ignore it or counter it. What you have just written contributes nothing to discussion. Well done.

You were warned by the mods about your obssessive posts about O'Gara weren't you?

Noopti

Going Waterforward wrote: »

Folks, can we even vaguely get back on topic? I've had to delete posts i've written about cork hurlers, Cork as the capital of culture, the dublin footballers, and Roy Keane in Saipan at this point, its getting a bit ridiculuous

:pac:

lol

Looks like POC is the peoples choice afterall.

death1234567

Noopti wrote: »

Looks like POC is the peoples choice afterall.

POC is the only sensible choice. BOD should never have been captain.

jam_on_toast

Picked O'Connell, tis a no brainer.

Cant understand how people would pick ROG. He just about deserves to start IMO.

Noopti

death1234567 wrote: »

POC is the only sensible choice. BOD should never have been captain.

My post was in response to someone yesterday claiming that Hugh Farrelly was talking out his arse by saying POC was the peoples choice.

I don't agree with your sentiment that BOD should never have been captain. He has done well as Captain.

Twin-go

Noopti wrote: »

lol

Looks like POC is the peoples choice afterall.

Hey Noopti - Looks like its Paulie all the way.

Pitty Goose81 has been banned. It would be funny to hear what he has to say now.

Lets hope that Kidney makes the right choice now.

RugbyFanatic

Can I just put something out there


How much of a difference to people think a captain actually makes on the pitch?

Put it this way, POC leads the pack anyway, ROG calls the backline moves and BOD makes the decisions and talks to the referee.

It just seems to me that people think that with a new captain we will suddenly start playing champagne rugby. Anyone thats ever played serious rugby knows that while inspirational speeches from the start of the match from your captain are nice after the initial few minutes of the game you soon forget them.

Brian O'Driscoll makes the right calls during the games and is always level headed and polite with the referee. He is also great with the media and never puts blame on his teammates (unlike another Irish player who is being touted for captain) taking the pressure off.

EOS said himself in that recent TV interview that in training if there was something that players didn't agree with POC and BOD would always make it known.

I mean people are saying BOD is a poor captain but how many of you have been in the dressing room personally? How many of you have played under him?

Don't you think its odd that every coach hes played under since 23 has made him captain?

But what do they know.....

Noopti

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

Can I just put something out there


How much of a difference to people think a captain actually makes on the pitch?

Put it this way, POC leads the pack anyway, ROG calls the backline moves and BOD makes the decisions and talks to the referee.

It just seems to me that people think that with a new captain we will suddenly start playing champagne rugby. Anyone thats ever played serious rugby knows that while inspirational speeches from the start of the match from your captain are nice after the initial few minutes of the game you soon forget them.

Brian O'Driscoll makes the right calls during the games and is always level headed and polite with the referee. He is also great with the media and never puts blame on his teammates (unlike another Irish player who is being touted for captain) taking the pressure off.

EOS said himself in that recent TV interview that in training if there was something that players didn't agree with POC and BOD would always make it known.

I mean people are saying BOD is a poor captain but how many of you have been in the dressing room personally? How many of you have played under him?

Don't you think its odd that every coach hes played under since 23 has made him captain?

But what do they know.....

Some very good and valid points. But I think the Captain can have a big influence on the game, depending on what type of Captain they are.

BOD seemed to be a quiet captain who let his play do the talking. He would lead from the front and the others would follow. But lately, due to his dip in form he isn't leading from the front as often as he should be as captain. Why has Cullen been made captain of Leinster?

POC is a similar captain, but he is a much bigger onfield presence than BOD being in the pack and his workrate is epic. He would lead from the front even moreso than BOD at the moment - due to the nature of the game (backs rely on the forwards to gain the teams momentum and allow them space). POC has also made the calls for a team that has played to the highest level in Europes biggest club competition.

When Johnson was captain of England he was a massive presence for England. I'm sure Greenwood could have easily been a good captain also, but the fact of the matter is that Johnson was the leader in the engine room of the team - and he drove that team forward. This is where the games are won and lost. So to have a pack leader like POC available to us is fantastic and he should be utilised as such.

SJPRogue

Before saying anything, I'm from Leinster.

That said, i think that a Munster player has to be captain.

Think of it, 3 minutes to go and your team is down by 2, 3, 4, 5 or even 6 points. Who would you want at the helm? Munster are tried and tested when it comes to keeping the head down, keeping calm and having absolute confidence in their ability to win a game even in the last 30 seconds. Leinster just don't seem to have that consistent backbone.

Between ROG and POC, it has to be POC. ROG is too tempermental. too many tantrums.

Noopti

Well looks like we will find out today. Seeing as Kidney and the captain will have to travel to the 6N launch tomorrow.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/air-of-expectancy-as-kidney-prepares-to-make-vital-call-1615653.html

Diva242

SJPRogue wrote: »

Before saying anything, I'm from Leinster.

That said, i think that a Munster player has to be captain.

Think of it, 3 minutes to go and your team is down by 2, 3, 4, 5 or even 6 points. Who would you want at the helm? Munster are tried and tested when it comes to keeping the head down, keeping calm and having absolute confidence in their ability to win a game even in the last 30 seconds. Leinster just don't seem to have that consistent backbone.

Between ROG and POC, it has to be POC. ROG is too tempermental. too many tantrums.

It should be POC. And I'm also from Leinster and believe it has to be a Munster player!!

RugbyFanatic

Diva242 wrote: »

It should be POC. And I'm also from Leinster and believe it has to be a Munster player!!

Why does it have to be a Munster player?

bleg

anybody at the press conference?