beer league

mayordenis

I think we should make up 4 divisions with 20 beers in each, and sticky it obviously with each division being a marker for the type of quality etc.
mostly because I think it would be fun but also for anyone who wants to get a few names in one quick link, I also think it would just be a good aul beer debate anyway I'll just show an example of what I'm on about (and the beers in this are only some of my opinions, and of course "good beer" is subjective)

Prem:
Liefmans Goudenband
Maredsous 8
Gueze Boon
Mc Chouffre
Westmalle Triple

Champ
Fraziskaner
Watou's Wit
Goose Island Indian Pale Ale
Chimay
Duvel

League 1
Erdinger
Hoegaarden
Leffe Blonde
Sam Adams
Brooklyn ale

League 2
Guinness
Innis & Gunn
Spitfire
Budvar
Beamish Red

Non league
Bud
Ken
Carlsberg
Dutch
Miller
Stella
Coors (soft bastards)
Amstel
Tuborg
Harp
essentially any "beer" falvoured fizzy ****

JIZZLORD

good idea, but for everyone the top leagues would be different, non league for yours is accurate though

mayordenis

JIZZLORD wrote: »

good idea, but for everyone the top leagues would be different, non league for yours is accurate though

couldn't agree more that's why it could make for some good debate - maybe I'm talking ****e but I reckon it would be fun if you had even just 5/10 people or whoever talking over the finer points of different beers and why the merit being higher up or why relegation is looming.
say for me Hoegaarden for quite a while was my beer of choice literally my favourite, but look where I have it because after getting more into heavy stronger beers I go back to it and find it really lacking in anything etc. etc.

BeerNut

I think Guinness Extra Stout makes League 1, but Guinness Draught is deffo non-league. It takes a lot of work to make a stout that bland.

Keeping it to Irish-brewed beers permanently available here, I reckon I'd have:

Prem
Clotworthy Dobbin
Galway Hooker
Guinness Special Export
O'Hara's Stout (bottled)
Wrassler's XXXX

Champ
Belfast Ale
Brainblásta
Friar Weiss
Guinness Foreign Extra
MM Plain
Porterhouse Plain

League 1
Blarney Blonde
Guinness Extra Stout
MM Rusty
Murphy's
O'Hara's Red
O'Hara's Stout (draught)
Oyster Stout
Porterhouse Red

League 2
Beamish Red
Curim
Macardle's
Mao Lager
MM Weiss
Rebel Red
Shandon Stout
Temple Brau
TSB

Non-league
Amstel
Beamish Stout
Belfast Lager
Bud
Carlsberg
Chiller
Coors Light
Fosters
Guinness Draught
Harp
Heineken
Hersbrucker
Kilkenny
Miller
MM Haus
Rebel Lager
Smithwick's

mayordenis

BeerNut wrote: »

Keeping it to Irish-brewed beers permanently available here, I reckon I'd have

Brilliant stuff, While Galway Hooker has never really hit the spot for me there's plenty to go on there, and I think it's mostly fair.
I think Brainblásta would definately be there or there abouts for being in the top league and Guinness Draught as said is doomed to mix it with the other mass-market brain-washed drivel.

I must own up to having a soft spot for kilkenny I don't know why I think it's probably because after work when I get home my roommate sometimes has them in the fridge so I've convinced myself I like it.

I would also have to add that I find O'Hara's red lacking in everything but then I suppose you have put it in League 1 - while a pint of beamish red in cork for me is quite drinkable.

BeerNut

What helped me put it together was imagining bringing a beer fan from abroad around my haunts. Which beers would I be proud to say: "Drink this, it's Irish", which would be "They make this, it's OK", and which "That one's at your own risk: be warned".

I don't drink much O'Hara's Red so it was hard to place. I have a bottle in the cupboard. I may relegate it after I drink that.

I did a blind tasting on Kilkenny and Beamish Red once and they are definitely not in the same league. I cannot distinguish a single flavour in Kilkenny: I think it is Ireland's blandest beer. But if it's free...

mayordenis

BeerNut wrote: »

I did a blind tasting on Kilkenny and Beamish Red once and they are definitely not in the same league. I cannot distinguish a single flavour in Kilkenny: I think it is Ireland's blandest beer. But if it's free...

Haha oh god I didn't mean to come across as though I thought kilkenny was ever close to beamish red,
On reflection I should of maybe made more sense by saying that Kilkenny is still a fairly sizeable step away from the likes of bud, but then again that's no great compliment, and that for me I'd take a beamish red over many of the drinks on the list.

But 100% that is how I would love to see people rating there beers a really good way to look at it.

I'm going to lash into the galway hooker in the Bierhaus this weekend because I don't think I've given it a fair crack of the whip.

johnnyskeleton

mayordenis wrote: »

I think we should make up 4 divisions with 20 beers in each, and sticky it obviously with each division being a marker for the type of quality etc.
mostly because I think it would be fun but also for anyone who wants to get a few names in one quick link, I also think it would just be a good aul beer debate anyway I'll just show an example of what I'm on about (and the beers in this are only some of my opinions, and of course "good beer" is subjective)

Prem:
Liefmans Goudenband
Maredsous 8
Gueze Boon
Mc Chouffre
Westmalle Triple

Champ
Fraziskaner
Watou's Wit
Goose Island Indian Pale Ale
Chimay
Duvel

League 1
Erdinger
Hoegaarden
Leffe Blonde
Sam Adams
Brooklyn ale

League 2
Guinness
Innis & Gunn
Spitfire
Budvar
Beamish Red

Non league
Bud
Ken
Carlsberg
Dutch
Miller
Stella
Coors (soft bastards)
Amstel
Tuborg
Harp
essentially any "beer" falvoured fizzy ****

GUINNESS AT THE BOTTOM? No mention of Staropramen, Spaten? You'll never get any kind of consensus here.

Saruman

BeerNut wrote: »

I don't drink much O'Hara's Red so it was hard to place.

I was disappointed with the red, especially after tasting their stout. In fact, once im done with the Budvar i will go have my last bottle Need to shift the cat though, she decided now was the time to cuddle.

Its still a very nice beer though. Compared to Kilkenny its like Ambrosia.

BeerNut

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

GUINNESS AT THE BOTTOM?

Personally I can't think of a blander stout. Can you?

And I had a bottle of O'Hara's Red from the shelf last night and stand by its position in League Division 1: it has a wonderfully full body and crystal malt character that puts it well ahead of my Division 2 ales.

johnnyskeleton

BeerNut wrote: »

Personally I can't think of a blander stout. Can you?

What stouts would you consider better? For a start, it completely depends on where you get the Guinness - some places are great others are dire. I get the impression that you're referring to some "Farmer Joe's Drop o' the Pure" type rare stout that they only make 500 bottles of every 10 years, but to be honest, I've never had a nicer stout than Guinness.

BeerNut wrote: »

And I had a bottle of O'Hara's Red from the shelf last night and stand by its position in League Division 1: it has a wonderfully full body and crystal malt character that puts it well ahead of my Division 2 ales.

O'Hara's is nice, but it's no rebel red.

BeerNut

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

What stouts would you consider better?

All of them except Beamish, which I can't tell from Guinness. Any stout served on nitro tastes of nearly-nothing. That's the point of nitro.

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

For a start, it completely depends on where you get the Guinness - some places are great others are dire.

I find some are tasteless, some are dire. What does great Guinness taste of to you?

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

I get the impression that you're referring to some "Farmer Joe's Drop o' the Pure" type rare stout that they only make 500 bottles of every 10 years, but to be honest, I've never had a nicer stout than Guinness.

My mainstream stout of choice is O'Hara's, from the bottle, at room or cellar temperature -- lovely dry roasted barley character on a heavy body. Of the nitro draughts I think the chocolate malt in Murphys gives it a sweet flavour which is a big advantage over the no-flavour of draught Guinness. Guinness Foreign Extra has a lovely sour woody taste and the thicker texture which puts it several steps ahead of draught Guinness.

No farmers. No purity. Just flavour.

And still no answer to my question: which stouts would you consider blander than Guinness?

Samurai

gotta have lech in there somewhere!

Saruman

On the matter of Guinness (on tap), yes it is very bland compared to some other stouts.
On the other hand, i was staying at the Bewleys Hotel Dublin Airport and the Munster game was on (they won). After Dinner (with wine) we went to the bar and I ordered a Kilkenny. It goes down easy but there is little to no flavour. So i ordered a Guinness next and the difference in flavour was immediate. The Guinness was packed with a roast yumminess compared to the Kilkenny. Now maybe the Guinness at the bar was just a very good pint but i think if you compare Guinness to other blander beers then yes, it will seem like a champion beer.

However if you compare it to other stouts or porters that are more flavoursome then you will notice a difference and not consider Guinness to be all that great.
O' Haras would be way up there in my opinion, Its certainly the best i have ever had. I have heard great things about the porterhouse Wrasslers XXXX so i must have that some time.

As for Lech, it is drinkable but i would not put it higher than League 2 and personally i might include in the non-league.
It is probably like the Polish version of Miller or Bud, a mass produced "premium" beer that is ok but not worth mentioning. I had one last week so it is pretty fresh in my memory and what i remember was not worth remembering so to speak.

johnnyskeleton

BeerNut wrote: »

I find some are tasteless, some are dire. What does great Guinness taste of to you?

There's a wide variety of pints, but the best pints are either creamy or have a strong bitter taste. While all stouts have a particular distinct taste, I like the taste of guinness better than most. Perhaps this is due to my upbringing, but that's how it goes.

Some views expressed here.

BeerNut wrote: »

My mainstream stout of choice is O'Hara's, from the bottle, at room or cellar temperature -- lovely dry roasted barley character on a heavy body. Of the nitro draughts I think the chocolate malt in Murphys gives it a sweet flavour which is a big advantage over the no-flavour of draught Guinness. Guinness Foreign Extra has a lovely sour woody taste and the thicker texture which puts it several steps ahead of draught Guinness.

Never had O'Hara's stout, but will give it a go. Murphys in Dublin is awful and has a nasty aftertaste. Murphys is Cork is alright but doesn't have the same strength of flavour as Guinness. Sour woody taste sounds good for a whiskey, but for a stout I'm not so sure.

BeerNut wrote: »

And still no answer to my question: which stouts would you consider blander than Guinness?

Murphys & beamish are a poor man's guinness. Porterhouse oyster & chocolate truffle stout might have a more striking flavour, but that in no way makes them better. Midleton must seem very bland compared to Laphroaig, but I'd take the Midleton any day of the week, so having strong flavours counts for little if that flavour isn't pleasant.

Saruman

Everyone has a different taste. I like Shepherd Naeme's Spitfire while Beer Nut does not, or at least finds it dull.
Its not as good as their Bishops Finger but it is still one of the better beers i have tasted.

Thats just my opinion though and at the end of the day, it only counts for myself.

oblivious

Guinness Foreign Extra Stout not make the list, very very good

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

What stouts would you consider better? For a start, it completely depends on where you get the Guinness - some places are great others are dire. I get the impression that you're referring to some "Farmer Joe's Drop o' the Pure" type rare stout that they only make 500 bottles of every 10 years, but to be honest, I've never had a nicer stout than Guinness

Wrasslers 4X Stout for one readily available in Dublin city center and its even nitro:P

Coopers extra stout and Sierra Nevada Stout are nearly massed produced and are some what available

BeerNut

Not a fan of the Cooper's, but Sierra Nevada Stout is magnificent.

the beer revolu

BeerNut wrote: »

Guinness Foreign Extra has a lovely sour woody taste and the thicker texture which puts it several steps ahead of draught Guinness.

Not a patch on the Special Export, though!!

oblivious

the beer revolu wrote: »

Not a patch on the Special Export, though!!

It appears to be getting harder and harder to find!

the beer revolu

oblivious wrote: »

It appears to be getting harder and harder to find!

RIP Eurobeers!:(

stillhere08

the beer revolu wrote: »

Not a patch on the Special Export, though!!

IMO Guiness Draught is not a patch on either the Guinness Special Export, O'Haras Stout. If only there was a wider choice available:(:( I would opt for these all the time

BeerNut

But there is -- it's just a question of knowing where to look.

Bottled Guinness is also much better than draught and is a lot more readily available in pubs than the other stouts mentioned. And it's another beer which I'd say is marked for extinction if people don't drink it. I find it's always worth asking if there's bottled Guinness if nothing better than draught appears to be available.

IronMan

I have not had an opportunity to drink all these Irish brewed beers, but my meagre league goes something like this:

Prem:

Galway Hooker (See this in more and more places, good to see)
Wrassler's XXXX (I love this stuff, it is how a good stout should taste)
Messers Plain (Not as good as Wrasslers, but still excellent)

Champ:

O'Hara's Stout
Guinness Extra Stout
Guinness Foreign Extra
Porterhouse Red
Brainblasta

League 1:

O'Hara's Red
TSB
Macardles


League 2:

Guinness draught (its rubbish, only not quite as rubbish as fizzy beer.)
Beamish (I quite like it out of a can for some strange reason)

Saruman

Guinness Extra stout is good, it has a similar mouthfeel to O'Haras but less flavour.

Really need to try Wrasslers. Im kicking myself that i did not try it last time. I had Oyster stout instead.

mayordenis

Right I might get lambasted for this but has anyone had Sam Adams Cream Stout?

I'm not sure if it's even still possible to get here but I bought a couple of crates of it about a year ago and went to town on it - was really flavoursome.

At the weekend I took your advice and had some Galway Hooker in the Bierhaus, good yes, great? not for me, I found it tasted pretty ****e up front but left a wonderful aftertaste.

I also stopped into abbots and had 2/3 pints of Kwak on drught and will comfortably say it's the best drink I've had outside of Belgium, I was almost crying while drinking it.

Amsterdam in 3 days from now, the beer will be mighty, with a few tips I got from a certain beer blog.

oblivious

mayordenis wrote: »

Amsterdam in 3 days from now, the beer will be mighty, with a few tips I got from a certain beer blog.

This is one of the best by Ron patterson and one a lot of other bloggers get the information from;)

Amsterdam Pub Guide
http://www.xs4all.nl/~patto1ro/amspubs8.htm

Dutch Pub Guide, the best beer bars, pubs and brewpubs
http://www.xs4all.nl/~patto1ro/hollpubs.htm

Also the Beer mapping project for the Netherlands

http://beermapping.com/maps/maps.php?m=netherlands


Hope this is of help

BeerNut

mayordenis wrote: »

Right I might get lambasted for this but has anyone had Sam Adams Cream Stout?

I'm not sure if it's even still possible to get here but I bought a couple of crates of it about a year ago and went to town on it - was really flavoursome

Yeah. Wasn't that keen. They do a Holiday Porter as well, which is sublime, but I've not seen it around in ages. And their Black Lager is great.

noby

Back to the original topic, instead of a league how about a knockout cup competition?

For example, if we used TBN's Irish brewed beer list, someone makes a draw, and posts up the 'ties'. People then post their favourite from each tie, with, say a four day deadline. Then all the winners of that round go back into the hat for the second round draw etc., until we get to a final and a winner. Just for a bit of fun, but it might also get a bit of debate going.

noby

Ignoring the fact that I killed this thread with my suggestion, I'm going to plough along anyway. If people want to join in, then great; if not then I'll admit the thread is dead.

I took TheBeerNut's list of Irish brewed beers, dumped the bottom 26 from his impartial league tables into a random list generator, and the result becomes the draw for the first round. 19 byes into the second round should give us an even 32. From then on there will be no byes or seeding.
Simply pick your favourite from each tie. I'll give it until after the weekend before starting round 2.


Beamish Red v Amstel
Guinness Draught v Temple Brau
Carlsberg v Belfast Lager
Beamish Stout v Rebel Lager
Miller v Chiller
Rebel Red v Heineken
Hersbrucker v MM Haus
Curim v Macardle's
Smithwick's v Shandon Stout
Bud v Mao Lager
Kilkenny v TSB
Fosters v Harp
MM Weiss v Coors Light

Bye to next round:
Clotworthy Dobbin
Galway Hooker
Guinness Special Export
O'Hara's Stout (bottled)
Wrassler's XXXX
Belfast Ale
Brainblásta
Friar Weiss
Guinness Foreign Extra
MM Plain
Porterhouse Plain
Blarney Blonde
Guinness Extra Stout
MM Rusty
Murphy's
O'Hara's Red
O'Hara's Stout (draught)
Oyster Stout
Porterhouse Red

knightmare

noby wrote: »

Ignoring the fact that I killed this thread with my suggestion, I'm going to plough along anyway. If people want to join in, then great; if not then I'll admit the thread is dead.

I took TheBeerNut's list of Irish brewed beers, dumped the bottom 26 from his impartial league tables into a random list generator, and the result becomes the draw for the first round. 19 byes into the second round should give us an even 32. From then on there will be no byes or seeding.
Simply pick your favourite from each tie. I'll give it until after the weekend before starting round 2.




Ok I'll Bite:


Beamish Red v Amstel Beamish Red
Guinness Draught v Temple Brau Guinness
Carlsberg v Belfast Lager Belfast Lager
Beamish Stout v Rebel Lager Beamish
Miller v Chiller chiller
Rebel Red v Heineken Rebel Red
Hersbrucker v MM Haus MM Haus
Curim v Macardle's Macardles
Smithwick's v Shandon Stout Shandon
Bud v Mao Lager Mao
Kilkenny v TSB TSB
Fosters v Harp Harp
MM Weiss v Coors Light MM weis


Some heavy hitters joining the cup in round 2
Bye to next round:
Clotworthy Dobbin
Galway Hooker
Guinness Special Export
O'Hara's Stout (bottled)
Wrassler's XXXX
Belfast Ale
Brainblásta
Friar Weiss
Guinness Foreign Extra
MM Plain
Porterhouse Plain
Blarney Blonde
Guinness Extra Stout
MM Rusty
Murphy's
O'Hara's Red
O'Hara's Stout (draught)
Oyster Stout
Porterhouse Red

noby

Good man, knight. I guess I better put up my votes:


Beamish Red v Amstel
Guinness Draught v Temple Brau
Carlsberg v Belfast Lager
Beamish Stout v Rebel Lager
Miller v Chiller
Rebel Red v Heineken
Hersbrucker v MM Haus
Curim v Macardle's
Smithwick's v Shandon Stout
Bud v Mao Lager
Kilkenny v TSB
Fosters v Harp
MM Weiss v Coors Light


A few bland v bland ones there, but there'll be a lot of dross cut before the next round.

Saruman

Im not sure its fair to have a versus match with different types of Beer. I mean a Wheat beer against coors light? Its a slam dunk who wins that.

It should be beers of the same type, stout V stout, light V light etc.

noby

I think you might be over-analysing what essentially is a bit of fun.
We could get bogged down in categories, and sub-categories too. I mean to me it would be just as unfair to pit Guinness Special export against Guinness draught.

Ham'nd'egger

BeerNut wrote: »

Yeah. Wasn't that keen. They do a Holiday Porter as well, which is sublime, but I've not seen it around in ages. And their Black Lager is great.

Going OT here but I picked up the last 3 bottles of said Black Lager in Carvill's the other week for a little over €1 each! And bloody hell, it was a fine brew. Next time I have a few "Lager" drinkers in, I'll get some in from them and watch them squirm :P Gas to think, Jim Koch is now Americas biggest brewer; a far cry from his first beers in 1994...

BeerNut

Hamndegger wrote: »

Gas to think, Jim Koch is now Americas biggest brewer; a far cry from his first beers in 1994...

He does produce an awful lot of muck though. I'd take a Bud over Samuel Adams Winter Lager or Octoberfest any day.

My first round votes, and if I've totally missed the point of what I'm supposed to be doing here, let me know:

Beamish Red v Amstel
(not just sympathy vote for our late friend)

Guinness Draught v Temple Brau
(eech, both poor, but only one supports an Irish-owned brewery)

Carlsberg v Belfast Lager
(but even I have my limits on Irish-owned breweries)

Beamish Stout v Rebel Lager
(can't remember the taste of Rebel, but I know Beamish has no taste)

Miller v Chiller
(Miller: no natural ingredients were harmed in the construction of this beer)

Rebel Red v Heineken
(walkover)

Hersbrucker v MM Haus
(touch of diacetyl in Haus; big whack of musty yuck in Hersbrucker)

Curim v Macardle's
(substance over style)

Smithwick's v Shandon Stout
(had some rank Shandon in the last year, but at least it makes an effort)

Bud v Mao Lager
(do like a bit of the Mao with my nasi goreng)

Kilkenny v TSB
(not a fan of the TSB, but Kilkenny has literally no taste)

Fosters v Harp
(very funny, noby. ummm. errr. I think Fosters has given me the least-worst hangovers over the years)

MM Weiss v Coors Light
(Weiss is not as good as it once was, but still drinkable)

TheLoc

How has no-one mentioned Leffe? by far the best beer in Ireland (and its hard to find). They sell it on draught in pubs in england and I must say... I absolutely love it. Nothing better than starting the night with Spiced captain morgans rum straight and then leffe for the night and back to a shot or 2 of captain morgans. unreal.

BeerNut

Tesco, Superquinn and Dunnes all sell Leffe Blonde, which is also available on draught in the Bull & Castle in Dublin.

Saruman

I do not remember being overly impressed when i had leffe before. That was quite a while ago though and Beer was beer back then. Now i actually taste beer and enjoy the taste i might feel differently. Im sure i remember an overly sweet beer though.

I think i can get it in Centra across the road so i will check it out next time im in.
I got some Macardles yesterday to try and its a nice ale, probably one of the nicer Diageo brewed beers. I also stopped into my local before i headed home for lunch and had a Guinness. There was only one other person in there.

Guinness is not the best stout but i am partial to it every now and again and its the only stout they do (at my local to avoid confusion ). At €3.85 its also a bargain.

Back home then and had my Macardles and then spent the rest of the day pulling pints of my home made dry cider (see blog).

BeerNut

Saruman wrote: »

its the only stout they do.

They also do Guinness Mid-Strength, Foreign Extra Stout and Special Export Stout. It's debatable whether Guinness Extra Stout is a different drink from Draught Guinness. It's certainly a very different drinking experience.

Saruman

BeerNut wrote: »

They also do Guinness Mid-Strength, Foreign Extra Stout and Special Export Stout. It's debatable whether Guinness Extra Stout is a different drink from Draught Guinness. It's certainly a very different drinking experience.

No no, i mean my local
Im well aware of other Guinnes stouts. They do not do any bottled Guinness.

BeerNut

Saruman wrote: »

No no, i mean my local

D'oh! Sorry

You could always ask if they'll start stocking bottled Guinness. Sometimes the expression on the bar manager's face alone is worth it...

Saruman

Might do, i should also ask them to get Galway hooker on tap.
Speaking of which, The Galway hooker website has a links/reviews page and you (might) feauture on there. The only thing is, their link brings you to www.thebeernut.net and that is in Russian. Would they have made a mistake with the link maybe?

BeerNut

That used to be the home page of one of the other Beer Nuts: George Lenker, an American journalist who wrote nice things about Hooker a couple of years ago (there's another American journalist using the name as well -- it's not exactly a masterpiece of originality as usernames go). Anyway, it looks like George let his registration lapse and some kindly Russian folks are "minding" it for him.

I suppose I could ask Aidan to change or remove it, but it's their site.

TheLoc

BeerNut wrote: »

Tesco, Superquinn and Dunnes all sell Leffe Blonde, which is also available on draught in the Bull & Castle in Dublin.

Yes but not in pubs. well besides the one you mentioned. I wish they did because Leffe is legendary.

BeerNut

TheLoc wrote: »

Yes but not in pubs.

Most pubs fear beers of that sort of strength, probably because an awful lot of Irish beer drinkers don't know how to handle strong ones.

oblivious

TheLoc wrote: »

Yes but not in pubs. well besides the one you mentioned. I wish they did because Leffe is legendary.

The George Bernard Shaw, past the bleeden horse pub in dublin has it on draft

TheLoc

Pity i'm in Limerick

Blisterman

Beamish Red v Amstel Beamish Red
Guinness Draught v Temple Brau Temple Brau
Carlsberg v Belfast Lager Belfast Lager
Beamish Stout v Rebel Lager Rebel
Miller v Chiller chiller
Rebel Red v Heineken Rebel Red
Hersbrucker v MM Haus Hersbrucker
Curim v Macardle's Curim
Smithwick's v Shandon Stout Shandon
Bud v Mao Lager Mao
Kilkenny v TSB TSB
Fosters v Harp Fosters
MM Weiss v Coors Light MM weis

noby

Beamish Red 4-0 Amstel
Guinness Draught 2-2 Temple Brau
Carlsberg 2-2 Belfast Lager
Beamish Stout 2-2 Rebel Lager
Miller 0-4 Chiller
Rebel Red 4-0 Heineken
Hersbrucker 2-2 MM Haus
Curim 3-1 Macardle's
Smithwick's 1-3 Shandon Stout
Bud 0-4 Mao Lager
Kilkenny 0-4 TSB
Fosters 2-2 Harp
MM Weiss 4-0 Coors Light


This is how it stands so far. If someone else votes, to sort out the draws I'll proceed to round 2.

mayordenis

Beamish Red v Amstel
Guinness Draught v Temple Brau
Carlsberg v Belfast Lager
Beamish Stout v Rebel Lager
Miller v Chiller
Rebel Red v Heineken
Hersbrucker v MM Haus
Curim v Macardle's
Smithwick's v Shandon Stout
Bud v Mao Lager
Kilkenny v TSB
Fosters v Harp
MM Weiss v Coors Light

I have no idea why this whole thing has turned into an irish only thing.