so how important is the leaving?

Ginja Ninja

well i know on the one hand it's the most imortant exam of your life in that it can decide your ciurse and thus your life ,car,house,social life etc.

but on the other hand once it's over it doesen't count for s*** once your in college it''s your degree that counts

and if you leave it won't really effect your job (if you get being as the whole world is f*****d with the recession)

discuss i demand it!!!!!

sock puppet

Ginja Ninja wrote: »

well i know on the one hand it's the most imortant exam of your life in that it can decide your ciurse and thus your life ,car,house,social life etc.

but on the other hand once it's over it doesen't count for s*** once your in college it''s your degree that counts

and if you leave it won't really effect your job (if you get being as the whole world is f*****d with the recession)

discuss i demand it!!!!!

That's great if your going for a course with low points (like me:D). But some people want to do say medicine or law and so will need to do well. Also surely a degree will become more valuable with more competition for jobs?

Thoie

There are still companies out there looking at Leaving results - I'm left college a long, long time, never thought I'd have to show my credentials again, but two companies last year asked for my degree results transcript from the university, and all my leaving cert results as well. It took me weeks to figure them out!

It's as important as you want it to be.

Des23

-JammyDodger- wrote: »

It's as important as you want it to be.

This

K4t

-JammyDodger- wrote: »

It's as important as you want it to be.

This.

Cheeky_gal

It has fcuk all significance in life.

spurious

The Leaving Cert. doesn't 'decide' what college course you do. There is always more than one way to get where you want.

WolfForager

Hmm, i say it's very important. I need to get 450 points for UCD mechanical engineering (I know last year's points were 360, but come on, it's not gonna stay that low), a 5 year course for my masters. If i don't get those points i'll have to do a level 7 in DIT, after 2 years i MIGHT get into a level 8 in DIT, do that for 2-3 years then go for my masters taking another 2 years. That's 6-7 years, compared to 5 years in UCD. 2 years is a long time when it comes to a degree.

K4t

More time you spend in UNI the better friend. Take a look outside

PurpleFistMixer

2 years of your life in which you might have some amazing experiences? If you get there eventually, if there is where you want to be, does it really matter that it took longer?

WolfForager

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

2 years of your life in which you might have some amazing experiences? If you get there eventually, if there is where you want to be, does it really matter that it took longer?

Of course it matters. In 2 years i could have earned 60k as an engineer. Possibly moving to France or German for work, wouldn't spending a few years working in a foreign country be better than spending 2 more years desperatly trying to pass your finals?

p1akuw47h5r3it

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

2 years of your life in which you might have some amazing experiences? If you get there eventually, if there is where you want to be, does it really matter that it took longer?

It's still much easier to just get the points though instead of all the hassle involved in applying to all dif. institutions etc.

In the whole scheme of life, ofcourse the leaving cert isn't very imprtant. But who looks 10 years into the future??

It's now that's important therefore the L.C is important.

PurpleFistMixer

WolfForager wrote: »

Of course it matters. In 2 years i could have earned 60k as an engineer. Possibly moving to France or German for work, wouldn't spending a few years working in a foreign country be better than spending 2 more years desperatly trying to pass your finals?

Not necessarily, no. Ever heard people say that college is the best time of your life? I know I'm not in any rush to start working, anyway...

WolfForager

I want to spend an enjoyable 5 years in college, then get out and start really living. I don't want to be eating beans every night for 10 years.

PurpleFistMixer

WolfForager wrote: »

I want to spend an enjoyable 5 years in college, then get out and start really living. I don't want to be eating beans every night for 10 years.

Very well, different strokes and all that.

postalservice

Look.....Jammy Dodger is right....

If you get 600 pts or something in the LC employers will notice that you are exceptional( maybe intelligent or just a hard worker)

Also many employers ask job seekers to do english and maths tests before the interview process begins..... Honours maths might look nice on your CV.

Although a good degree and a good result in your degree are obviously more important.......there must be some reason why employers ask for leaving cert results.

But yeah....def not the be all and end all once you get a course youre interested in.

:cool::cool:

I wouldn't be in any rush to finish college either. But, that's probably because I want to spend my life working in a university.

pepsicokeacola

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

It has fcuk all significance in life.

:rolleyes: typical of a failure.

pepsicokeacola

i dont want to go college. schools much better

bmcgrath

pepsicokeacola wrote: »

i dont want to go college. schools much better

:eek:

pepsicokeacola

pepsicokeacola wrote: »

:rolleyes: typical of a failure.

And what exactly is your definition of a failure? Is a failure somebody who doesn't succeed by your standards? How can you even dare to judge somebody else a failure?

pepsicokeacola

300 points in the leaving minimum

pepsicokeacola

pepsicokeacola wrote: »

300 points in the leaving minimum

I'm sorry, but, I can't take you seriously. You're joking, right?

daelight

After recent rant here about going through school in Ireland...

I failed the LC back in 96 (failed English and Maths, passed French) because of ill health (helped along by 5 years of bullying). Didn't repeat - worked in Supermarket then worked in many companies after that, traveled a bit - now in Tokyo working in IT :eek: There's a few stories in between all of that of course.

It just depends on what you want to do - go to Uni then yes its important. For sure, don't let a piece of paper tell people your ability - tell them yourself.

Good luck

pepsicokeacola

-JammyDodger- wrote: »

I'm sorry, but, I can't take you seriously. You're joking, right?

no you must get an education and that sort of artsy non-conformist attitude about the leaving not being relevant is nonsense

pepsicokeacola

daelight wrote: »

After recent rant here about going through school in Ireland...

I failed the LC back in 96 (failed English and Maths, passed French) because of ill health (helped along by 5 years of bullying). Didn't repeat - worked in Supermarket then worked in many companies after that, traveled a bit - now in Tokyo working in IT :eek: There's a few stories in between all of that of course.

It just depends on what you want to do - go to Uni then yes its important. For sure, don't let a piece of paper tell people your ability - tell them yourself.

Good luck

the japs hired a foreinger?:eek:

pepsicokeacola

pepsicokeacola wrote: »

no you must get an education and that sort of artsy non-conformist attitude about the leaving not being relevant is nonsense

Some of the smartest, most intelligent people I know are people who didn't do well in their Leaving Cert.; some of the most successful people I know didn't achieve a marvelous result in their LC - the LC, most certianly, isn't a measure of ones success.

And anyway, your level of education is not synonymous with a good Leaving Cert.; they're too quite different things. Many people who achieve 500+ points aren't very well educated at all.

As I said, the LC is as important as you want it to be. That statement is self-explanatory; I shouldn't need to explain it to you. Do you ever think that some people don't want to go down the traditional educational route? Does their doing this mean they aren't successful? By your standards, yes.

It certainly isn't up to you to judge another person to be successful or not. It's not up to you to decide that the LC is a measure of their success. And, it definitely isn't up to you to judge somebody a failure; how dare you even call somebody that - it's quite arrogant.

congo_90

sock puppet wrote: »

That's great if your going for a course with low points (like me:D). But some people want to do say medicine or law and so will need to do well. Also surely a degree will become more valuable with more competition for jobs?

It can be mixed
I'll put it this way
My sis only done *ok* in the leaving and went on to travel the world and another trip to europe then went to college. She is now a head chef in one of Dublins top restaraunts.

My bro dropped out and is now manager of a very busy bar and is happily living with his gf in a house they own with a dog quite comfortably.

My other sis went to ucd. Studied English literature, German, european culture and worked many jobs and is now managing director for a private medical firm.

I myself just done my LC last year and opted not to go to college until 25(mature student app). I'm working full time now as an engineer (in training)
My friends in college who worked to get a huge number of points etc are now wondering where they'll stand in 2 years time with their qualifications while I get paid to be qualified too.

So in a nutshell. the lc, unless you wanna be a brain surgeon. Is not as important and stressfull as people make it out to be.

For the record I scored high in the leaving cert but this hasn't affected my career.

K4t

-JammyDodger- wrote: »

Some of the smartest, most intelligent people I know are people who didn't do well in their Leaving Cert.; some of the most successful people I know didn't achieve a marvelous result in their LC - the LC, most certianly, isn't a measure of ones success.

And anyway, your level of education is not synonymous with a good Leaving Cert.; they're too quite different things. Many people who achieve 500+ points aren't very well educated at all.

As I said, the LC is as important as you want it to be. That statement is self-explanatory; I shouldn't need to explain it to you. Do you ever think that some people don't want to go down the traditional educational route? Does their doing this mean they aren't successful? By your standards, yes.

It certainly isn't up to you to judge another person to be successful or not. It's not up to you to decide that the LC is a measure of their success. And, it definitely isn't up to you to judge somebody a failure; how dare you even call somebody that - it's quite arrogant.

You're posts are bloody brilliant.

xOxSinéadxOx

meh, I don't think the LC matters very much, only matters if what you want to do requires you to get high points

K4t

K4t wrote: »

You're posts are bloody brilliant.

Ha, I doubt that now! I just hate when people are stupidly arrogant, especially when they're wrong.

pepsicokeacola

-JammyDodger- wrote: »

Ha, I doubt that now! I just hate when people are stupidly arrogant, especially when they're wrong.

WTF:mad:

ok then yes the lc doesnt matter at all, because you are going to be a world famous guitar player(oh wait actually an underground 'alternative' guitar player) and don't need a good leaving cert at all at all.:rolleyes:

Hagar

Not important at all, until you don't have a good one, then it suddenly becomes important.

pepsicokeacola

pepsicokeacola wrote: »

WTF:mad:

ok then yes the lc doesnt matter at all, because you are going to be a world famous guitar player(oh wait actually an underground 'alternative' guitar player) and don't need a good leaving cert at all at all.:rolleyes:

You still don't get it do you? How complicated is this to understand: The Leaving Cert. is as important as you want it to be. Now, I'll try to explain it.

If your goal is to achieve something that only college can give you, then, yes, you would consider the Leaving Cert. to be important. If you achieved your goal, then, in your eyes, you're successful.

If your goal is to be a "famous guitar player" (to use your eloquent example), and you achieve this, then, in your eyes, you're successful.

If your goal is to travel the world and live as a bum, and you achieve this, then, in your eyes, you're successful.

If your goal is to sit on your arse for your life, and you achieve it, then, in your eyes, you're successful.

My point is there is no objective measure of ones level of success. It's completely subjective; hence, you're wrong to judge.

Mario007

well lc is kinda important, ya know the future kinda depends on it, especially if ya wanna do some course that needs a lot of points. i mean yeah afterwards it doens't matter too much, but its sort of a gateway to your future life

pepsicokeacola

Mario007 wrote: »

well lc is kinda important, ya know the future kinda depends on it, especially if ya wanna do some course that needs a lot of points. i mean yeah afterwards it doens't matter too much, but its sort of a gateway to your future life

well said mario

PurpleFistMixer

Mario007 wrote: »

well lc is kinda important, ya know the future kinda depends on it, especially if ya wanna do some course that needs a lot of points. i mean yeah afterwards it doens't matter too much, but its sort of a gateway to your future life

I don't suppose you read any of the posts where it was stated that there's other ways to get into the course you want, no? The LC is merely one (probably the most direct, admittedly) route. That is of course making the assumption that you even want to go to college in the first place. It's not as if failing/not doing at all/getting <300 points (shock horror, pepsicokeacola!) heralds the end of your life, perhaps merely a change in direction, if it's not something you were planning on.

Mario007

look i dont mean to sound like a bastard or anything, but for me leaving cert is what separates the smart people from those messers in class with no aim in their lives whatsoever. To be honest leaving cert is important cos you put it on your cv everytime, no matter what kind of degree you get afterwards. And if you want to actualy achieve something in your life then leaving cert is when you have to prove that you can go through the pains of just studying for about half a year to do great, after that its pretty much smooth sailing

p1akuw47h5r3it

daelight wrote: »

After recent rant here about going through school in Ireland...

I failed the LC back in 96 (failed English and Maths, passed French) because of ill health (helped along by 5 years of bullying). Didn't repeat - worked in Supermarket then worked in many companies after that, traveled a bit - now in Tokyo working in IT :eek: There's a few stories in between all of that of course.

It just depends on what you want to do - go to Uni then yes its important. For sure, don't let a piece of paper tell people your ability - tell them yourself.

Good luck

Do you speak japanese. I'm hoping to do a Bus. course in DCU with Japanese. Do ypu know if it's hard??

pepsicokeacola

im still suprised japanese hired a non-japanese? i didnt think it happened

Davidius

pepsicokeacola wrote: »

im still suprised japanese hired a non-japanese? i didnt think it happened

People also have sex before marriage.

I know, I was surprised too!

EDIT:
For the relevancevencancelled:
Leaving Cert is Leaving Cert. Just a stepping stone, alternate routes and so forth.

p1akuw47h5r3it

pepsicokeacola wrote: »

im still suprised japanese hired a non-japanese? i didnt think it happened

Why? Are you saying they descriminate against foreighners or simply you thought they didn't hirer foreigners

pepsicokeacola

ye only 1% of the workforce is non-japanese

Mario007

pepsicokeacola wrote: »

ye only 1% of the workforce is non-japanese

oh but thats only compared to our power levels theirs are OVER NINE THOUSAND:D

p1akuw47h5r3it

pepsicokeacola wrote: »

ye only 1% of the workforce is non-japanese

But maybe foreigners don't apply for jobs there. But whatever, I don't want a debate so...

Overheal

Ginja Ninja wrote: »

well i know on the one hand it's the most imortant exam of your life in that it can decide your ciurse and thus your life ,car,house,social life etc.

I'll nip this in the ass right now.

College in and of itself only gets you so far. There are many ways to get a successful job - like working from the bottom and working your way up; or getting a degree and working inside of a specialty. College will help, naturally, but not having a degree will not prevent you from having a good job and a big house and a nice car, and money wont buy you friends or happiness. So don't get into the idea of thinking the Leaving Cert is all or nothing - those that do, typically, do poorly because they worry about it too much.

OVER NINE THOUSAND

9001 is the magic number.

Cheeky_gal

Points won't take you places.

Personailty will.

Mario007

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

Points won't take you places.

Personailty will.

ha also looks do...but only when you're a girl:D

whadabouchasir

Mario007 wrote: »

look i dont mean to sound like a bastard or anything, but for me leaving cert is what separates the smart people from those messers in class with no aim in their lives whatsoever.

The leaving cert might separate those who pay attention in class from those who do not but it certainly does not give an indication of your intelligence, just your ability to regurgitate information on exam day. Also if you don't want to go to college then the leaving cert is almost irelevant and just because you don't go to college it doesn't mean that your a failure. Success is measured by hapiness not exam results.so even if you kill yourself getting a degree in medicine but hate it then you are a failure as all your hard work is useless. However if you fail the leaving and geta job as a truck driver then you are a successs.

Mario007

whadabouchasir wrote: »

The leaving cert might separate those who pay attention in class from those who do not but it certainly does not give an indication of your intelligence, just your ability to regurgitate information on exam day. Also if you don't want to go to college then the leaving cert is almost irelevant and just because you don't go to college it doesn't mean that your a failure. Success is measured by hapiness not exam results.so even if you kill yourself getting a degree in medicine but hate it then you are a failure as all your hard work is useless. However if you fail the leaving and geta job as a truck driver then you are a successs.

well let me tell you mostly those that dont pay attention in class are those who are pretty stupid, no disrespect. Also are you trying to say that if all you do in your life is hang about with your friends and pick fights random passer bys cos you're too drunk to do anything else, which is the case in most of the towns in the country, and taking the dole you're a success just cos you're happy?