How much is my gun worth...

TerrorFirmer

Rather then starting a new thread just to ask that very question, I thought maybe there could be a sticky like there is in other forums (example, here) where users can ask for a guideline price on their stuff. People could get estimates on either guns they've put a lot of work into, or items they intend to sell.

Personally I have a Kjw M9A1 co2, a G&G Ak47 with 2 metal mid-caps, mag clamp and scope rail, and an m3 Super 90 clone with 5 3x10 shells (also a load of cheap lpeg's and the like but lets not go there). None of which I'm ever happy with really....sort of longing after an mp5a4 for awhile now. So it'd be interesting to get valuations...

weeder

i fully support this idea, please sticky it

TheDoc

Fully supported

I sent a pm to lemming highlighting the issue of some adverts being completely ill informed, over priced etc

Spetzcong

Yeah, bring on the Antique Airsoft Roadshow.

Stercus Accidit

I'd pay 40 for the shotgun, depending on condition.

I usually work out the total cost of items, take off a percentage based on condition and if any improvement work has been done (mosfets etc.) and ask for that in adverts.

TBH imo a lot of the adverts are overpriced, but if someone buys them, thats irrelevant. A used gun is a used gun, and in airsoft that can mean its in absolute rag order.

Irishmaster

Yes alot of stuff can be overpriced and in bits. You just have to inspect them etc. But in general i think that alot of the stuff ppl are selling is never used and unwanted or bought and just never liked or used. Me being honest would never sell anything broke and in bits unless i state it on the thread. But usually i just knock of a percentage of full price!

TheDoc

I think its crucial for people selling airsoft devices to fully state any work thats being done.

Airsoft gear depreciates pretty fast so youd be lucky to get near what you pay for it

Tigger

good idea

amaughan

from my experience on adverts all the stuff iv gotten has been great.my last gun was an mp5 which i could not be happier with.there is a very small crack in the upper receiver and it was quite clearly stated in the add with pics of the problem.i got that for €65 and the retail price is 150.(thanks kalkor:D)but i have seen some ridiculous add's for the gadget shop crap being sold for up to and over 100 when the retail price is around the 50 mark.:eek:.but anyone i have bought off have been very honest and decent with their asking price,even offer to meet me half way from longford.personally i have two guns that i will never use an a very cheep p90 (damaged) and a very cheep m4a1 also damaged.but they will continue to remain in my wardrobe and slowly decay as i wouldn't feel right selling them.any of the guns i have sold have been in mint condition and sold for a resonabe price as i would hate to spend 80/90 only to find out my purchase is crap

TerrorFirmer

Cool beans. Personally I would never dare sell something unless it was in 100% working order, or else I was selling it as faulty in the first place. I don't think I'll end up selling any of my guns to be honest, but it is handy to get an idea - even if you're not selling immediately. I would have thought the shotgun would be worth more then 40, it's in excellent condition, its a TM M3 super 90 clone with 6 shells...mostly ABS, with metal barrell and rubber grip/end of stock.

This is it here for some good pictures. If I was going to sell anything, it'd probably be that! It's actually a real bitch to pull back.....I'm pretty sure someone bought the short barrel version of this shotgun for 60 euro on adverts a short while ago!

Chuck the Buck

Well airsoft gear does drop in price (like anything else) but my experience is that its a mega pain to try and sell something on here without the usual "I'll give you €80" for something that cost about €350 and hasn't been used! While someone with a crappy clone seem to think that its worth 80-90% of its new cost (unless its had major work done on it).

A list of realistic prices for stuff would be very handy.

enviro

This is a really good idea, I found my self looking at adverts, then taking a note of the price to search through retail sites to see if it was a fair price/good deal. Its pretty time consuming. If this becomes a sticky it would be great, Of course it needs to be full of good posts which i dont doubt it will. Very helpful to new people i reckon. GO FOR IT.

NakedDex

The thing I've noticed with airsoft adverts is the amazing amount of items for sale on there that are "new", have "about 100 rounds through it" or have been "sitting in my house for 6 months, never used it" etc.
Now while I'm sure there are plenty of occasions of this happening, I know well it's happened myself with about a dozen M4's that I just gave away for free, but surely there can't be that much spare cash going around that people are buying expensive rifles, holding them for six months and then selling them for retail price because they've "never been skirmished". I read pretty much all of the adverts because I, like everyone else, like a bargain, but I quite often find myself questioning the honesty of some of the claims made. Maybe I'm being a tad untrusting, but I've seen some funny looking reasons for sale.
Another thing that grinds me is when people who put up upgraded rifles and attempt to sell them for more than the price of the sum of it's parts, citing labour as a reason if challenged, and/or claiming it hasn't been skirmished (if you've taken the time to heavily upgrade a rifle, you've skirmished it).

It's also not helped when someone puts up a reasonable asking price for a second hand piece of kit and is greeted with ridiculous offers.

I like the idea of this as a sticky, but it's a very complicated area. There are so many variables to consider, someone, or some people, would have to judge each device on a case-by-case basis.
A six month old G36c with a high speed motor, guarder hop and a tightbore is undoubtedly worth more than a six month old stock G36c. But what happens if the stock one is in perfect condition and the upgraded one has a serious crack along the body? Which is worth more when you factor in the fault?

Frank the Manc

NakedDex wrote: »

The thing I've noticed with airsoft adverts is the amazing amount of items for sale on there that are "new", have "about 100 rounds through it" or have been "sitting in my house for 6 months, never used it" etc.
Now while I'm sure there are plenty of occasions of this happening, I know well it's happened myself with about a dozen M4's that I just gave away for free, but surely there can't be that much spare cash going around that people are buying expensive rifles, holding them for six months and then selling them for retail price because they've "never been skirmished". I read pretty much all of the adverts because I, like everyone else, like a bargain, but I quite often find myself questioning the honesty of some of the claims made. Maybe I'm being a tad untrusting, but I've seen some funny looking reasons for sale.
Another thing that grinds me is when people who put up upgraded rifles and attempt to sell them for more than the price of the sum of it's parts, citing labour as a reason if challenged, and/or claiming it hasn't been skirmished (if you've taken the time to heavily upgrade a rifle, you've skirmished it).

It's also not helped when someone puts up a reasonable asking price for a second hand piece of kit and is greeted with ridiculous offers.

I like the idea of this as a sticky, but it's a very complicated area. There are so many variables to consider, someone, or some people, would have to judge each device on a case-by-case basis.
A six month old G36c with a high speed motor, guarder hop and a tightbore is undoubtedly worth more than a six month old stock G36c. But what happens if the stock one is in perfect condition and the upgraded one has a serious crack along the body? Which is worth more when you factor in the fault?

iv had a problem with some adverts before, and went as far as gettin banned for intervening, the mods didnt seem to want to know & im not slating them, as its more hassle for them allowing people to derail sales threads......

however....

if youre buying from adverts you need to prepare yourself that theres a fairly good chance of there being some minor problems with the gun, whether listed or not.
almost every gun iv bough from there has had at least one problem, never a major fix, obviously the person selling simly didnt know how to do it or hadnt a chrono or whatever.

i always try my best to have every problem & potential problem rectified before sending as its not worth the hassle afterwards(there was one gun where a screw genuinely came loose during shipping & i felt bad as i didnt want the guy to think i stung him & used a bullshít excuse)

i always let the person know about any charecteristics that the gun may have, knacks in dissassembly ect & offer help with disassemblty ect after the sale

i think anyone who seeks retailer prices or near retailer prices is being somewhat greedy, irrespective of use or condition once its second hand, in my book thats 20-25% off straight away, or at least should be.

that said there are loads of people out there that simply dont have the time to use all their guns, so sell them on.
i take exception to your point that if youve bothered upgrading it, youve skirmished it.

iv done it to a good few guns but have never got the chance to skirmish them, not everyone lives in the pale. Nor have i done it with any intention of doing so, i simply enjoy the challenge.

whilst i wouldn't include labour, i dont think it should preclude others from doing so.....is there not an extra charge for installing hops & other spare parts in your shop?

fact is breaking down a gun & re-assembling it until its right is a labourous exercise & if the prospective buyer hasnt the experience, tools or time to install the upgrades, then why shouldnt he pay for it, it is a value added service after all, presuming its done right.

some ads do make you laugh though....

zero19

tm p90 triple rail with 1 standard magazine, 3 hi caps red dot right silencer and a thigh rig double mag pouch type dealy? skirmished no more than three times, no modifications, perfect working order, how much would you pay?

Frank the Manc

zero19 wrote: »

tm p90 triple rail with 1 standard magazine, 3 hi caps red dot right silencer and a thigh rig double mag pouch type dealy? skirmished no more than three times, no modifications, perfect working order, how much would you pay?

i wouldnt...P90s are dirt:pac:

add up all the prices of everything and knock off 20%, 15% if mint. be prepared to take less though if you want to shift it.

Stercus Accidit

amaughan wrote: »

from my experience on adverts all the stuff iv gotten has been great.my last gun was an mp5 which i could not be happier with.there is a very small crack in the upper receiver and it was quite clearly stated in the add with pics of the problem.i got that for €65 and the retail price is 150.(thanks kalkor)but i have seen some ridiculous add's for the gadget shop crap being sold for up to and over 100 when the retail price is around the 50 mark.:eek:.but anyone i have bought off have been very honest and decent with their asking price,even offer to meet me half way from longford.personally i have two guns that i will never use an a very cheep p90 (damaged) and a very cheep m4a1 also damaged.but they will continue to remain in my wardrobe and slowly decay as i wouldn't feel right selling them.any of the guns i have sold have been in mint condition and sold for a resonabe price as i would hate to spend 80/90 only to find out my purchase is crap

Aye, got a nice mp5 from kalkor, he threw in a second gearbox and it had some nice internals, got a bargain as it needed the gearbox in the gun unjammed.

My worst experience was with a sale off boards, for a sort of rpk contraption, that was pretty well "used" (read that in bits, missing bits etc.)

Generally ads here are good that way, if the gun is good, and is a good price, it will sell and both parties are happy, and that seems to be usually the case here.

Snowie

I just went and collect the deesert eagle that peter pentlaz was selling and it was mint... got ot fire of a few shot's, it was cleen well looked after etc really nice gun actuly iyts lovely, i hope all my buys from here as good...

TheDoc

I've jsut noticed a few threads that have ridic pricings, or guns that have not been disclaimed that they have had work done on them etc.

It doesnt matter if an airsoft piece is sitting in your cupboard for 6 months, its losing value lieing there.

If someone was to buy a G36c tomorrow for €160 and 2 weeks later go onto adverts to sell it

I'd pay no more then €120. Wouldnt care if it hasnt been touched, the fact you can buy it new for a few bucks more is reason enough.

Rifles like classic army...although you may well pay 350 euro plus for it, is your fault. It is worth absolutely **** all, yes they have nice bodies, but if i want a nice body that doesnt shoot bb's, i go see my girlfriend. I saw an advert for someone selling a CA mp5 for minus €140, and it was brilliant to see, the first reasonable priced CA in ages. I'm seeing people wanting €200+ for CA augs on here etc. JG one for €140, and would 90/100 be better and more reliable, and the bodies are nearly identical. The CA should be pitched starting price €150 max.

Just think there needs to be a bit more education on peoples parts. These things operate on moving parts, you fire 10 bb's, you have made that gearbox work, therefore increased the level of wear and tear. So your price...goes down.

Masada

I don't think there should be any sort of guide line for people to advertise their guns for. I think it would be an extremely flawed system and would lead to more bickering from the adds threads.
I think providing the gun is not advertised for above what its retailing for then its fair game, its up to the buyer to decide what he/she wants to pay for the gun and as such, can make an offer on the item.

Theres also the fact that some guns although clones, could have a lot of TLC and upgraded parts installed and out of respect for another airsofter, i wouldn't be making no Insultingly stupid lowballer offers on that.
Personally i have a load of clone AEGs that would appear to be just another run of the mill gun but theres a lot of money gone into them and they are better than most of the high end stuff you can buy off the shelf. I know I could never recoup all my costs on the gun but i like to think of it as a complete collection of pricey upgrade parts rather than a cheapo clone with some nice bits in and putting a price on that is very difficult to do.

Making an offer on something is quick and easy to do, decide what the maximum you want to pay is, and make the offer. If the person refuses because they are pricing their guns too high, then tough sh*t on them for not getting a buyer, and you for not getting a bargain, thats the price. Making them abide by a guideline price is almost like stealing from them and if nobody takes them up on the sale then eventually they'll have to lower the price anyway.
A guideline price would only encourage the "Adverts Scavengers" and i can bet within a day you would see a post like,
"But the guideline says you should sell that MP5 for 70 quid, and ya haven't got the box so im not given ya 70, im offerin 50 if ya throw in postage" etc etc....

It would be a huge list. and a pain in the balls!

Lee 303

I totaly agree, a item is only worth what someone is willimg to pay for it. maybe you get a bargin or not, it is up to both buyer and seller to reach an agreement that is fair and honest to both parties.

little buda

i agree with parts on both sides of what has been said,
there are some high prices been asked for clones on rubbish that have been "wall hangers" "as new" "never skirmished" and so on,
and i can see the other side of "but thats not what the guide says" going to happen....
also i have read so many ads that have time wasters and people that pull out or just arnt that intrested in the first place to go buy new stuff that just ends up ruining sale threads
so how about a compamise like a list of current prices for stock guns at least that way there is a soild base to compare what you are actully paying for!!

eg: somebodys buying there first gun and new 1911 hi-cappa now is €125 and some ******* is tryin to flog a half-ass one (scuffed up/pranged/whatever) for €115 + post at least you could tell your getting fleeced

were as if its been given a thight bore, high flow valve and extended mag thats not scuffed still in box then you might be willing to to pay more , but you would still have your stock model as a base (current) price guide

NakedDex

That can be done just by looking at shops though. You can't put a guideline on second hand items because there are just too many variables, they need individual assesment. A quick browse through any of the Irish or UK airsoft stores will give you a solid idea of the average retail price.

TerrorFirmer

Im_MacGyver wrote: »

I don't think there should be any sort of guide line for people to advertise their guns for. I think it would be an extremely flawed system and would lead to more bickering from the adds threads.
I think providing the gun is not advertised for above what its retailing for then its fair game, its up to the buyer to decide what he/she wants to pay for the gun and as such, can make an offer on the item.

Theres also the fact that some guns although clones, could have a lot of TLC and upgraded parts installed and out of respect for another airsofter, i wouldn't be making no Insultingly stupid lowballer offers on that.
Personally i have a load of clone AEGs that would appear to be just another run of the mill gun but theres a lot of money gone into them and they are better than most of the high end stuff you can buy off the shelf. I know I could never recoup all my costs on the gun but i like to think of it as a complete collection of pricey upgrade parts rather than a cheapo clone with some nice bits in and putting a price on that is very difficult to do.

Making an offer on something is quick and easy to do, decide what the maximum you want to pay is, and make the offer. If the person refuses because they are pricing their guns too high, then tough sh*t on them for not getting a buyer, and you for not getting a bargain, thats the price. Making them abide by a guideline price is almost like stealing from them and if nobody takes them up on the sale then eventually they'll have to lower the price anyway.
A guideline price would only encourage the "Adverts Scavengers" and i can bet within a day you would see a post like,
"But the guideline says you should sell that MP5 for 70 quid, and ya haven't got the box so im not given ya 70, im offerin 50 if ya throw in postage" etc etc....

It would be a huge list. and a pain in the balls!

Sorry man I think you're gone and interpeted the post in a fashion no-one else really did and in one it was never intended.

No-one said anything about guidelines regarding how a seller wants to pitch their advert. It would be a thread, in the Airsoft section (Not within Airsoft Adverts) where people can ask 'How much is my gun worth' and similarly, 'How much is this gun I'm looking at worth'? It's all opinion, not once did anyone mention 'guidelines' that any seller has to adhere to. Sure you'll get one spanner will inevitably say 'I can get it for x here so it's only worth x' ignorant to work/upgrades/etc put into any given gun but this is a fairly good community, anything that's way off will be soon corrected by a more knowledgable/fair member. Weapons would be taken on an individual basis by various members, not some sort of blanket 'MP5 = 100, AUG = 110' or anything remotely like that at all.

Basically it's an opinion thread taken on a gun by gun basis, absolutely nothing to do with guidelines and has no power whatsoever on the way sellers conduct their sales. It would only be there to help people - there would be no 'list' that you're referring to. It's a user opinionated thread, and nothing to do with moderators, guidelines or rules. If someone wants to start throwing around stupid unrealistic offers - as per normal adverts rules I'd imagine they'd be banned/infracted - whereas if someone says 'Look, I've been asking around and pricing upgrades and I feel your's is a little overpriced, so I'll offer x' - what's the harm in that? An offer is an offer and doesn't have to be accepted, but a thread like this will help people and at the end of the day harm no-one.

Frank the Manc

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

I've jsut noticed a few threads that have ridic pricings, or guns that have not been disclaimed that they have had work done on them etc.

It doesnt matter if an airsoft piece is sitting in your cupboard for 6 months, its losing value lieing there.

If someone was to buy a G36c tomorrow for €160 and 2 weeks later go onto adverts to sell it

I'd pay no more then €120. Wouldnt care if it hasnt been touched, the fact you can buy it new for a few bucks more is reason enough.

Rifles like classic army...although you may well pay 350 euro plus for it, is your fault. It is worth absolutely **** all, yes they have nice bodies, but if i want a nice body that doesnt shoot bb's, i go see my girlfriend. I saw an advert for someone selling a CA mp5 for minus €140, and it was brilliant to see, the first reasonable priced CA in ages. I'm seeing people wanting €200+ for CA augs on here etc. JG one for €140, and would 90/100 be better and more reliable, and the bodies are nearly identical. The CA should be pitched starting price €150 max.

Just think there needs to be a bit more education on peoples parts. These things operate on moving parts, you fire 10 bb's, you have made that gearbox work, therefore increased the level of wear and tear. So your price...goes down.

thats grand and all but why should the first buyer take the hit for an alledgely piece of shít gun, the retailer certainly isnt & if its working & in good nick the let them off.
i say alledgely as i have no first hand experience with them bar a couple of sports lines & i dont like plastic, personally i think all high end guns are over priced for what they do.

personally id like to see all dirty WE's discontinued by all retailers, they are poor value for money, given what else is out there for a simmilar price & dont give an accurate representation as to what GBB should be like.....but i wouldnt be against someone selling the gun on for a fair price, why should they take the hit on it just cos i dont like the guns.

kevteljeur

The problem with 'How much is my gun worth?' is that there's a fine line between that and 'How much is that gun worth?' and then 'How much is the gun I just bought worth?', which of course is a shuffle away from 'I was done by the dirty b*stard, he's always ripping people off!'. It's a proxy for discussing the buy and sell thread, which seems innocent enough but it'll go downhill in no time. It's happening right now just while we discuss the discussion of it. Hence the ban on discussion in the buy and sell, and it has been brought up before, here and in the feedback thread. No good came of it the last time.