DS1=fine/CS3=fine/DS1+CS3=feedback

brendansmith

Lads, another problem

I can use my DS1 on its own and it sounds great, likewise with my CS3 and it works wonders.
However when i use both in conjunction with each other a piercing feedback emitts from my amp which can only be gotten rid of by turning off one of the pedals or turning down the knobs on the CS3 and rendering it useless.

Any ideas?

-=al=-

the cs3 is useless

i take it u tried different cables, power supplies and swaping the order they are in, and messing with all settings!?

brendansmith

-=al=- wrote: »

the cs3 is useless

i take it u tried different cables, power supplies and swaping the order they are in, and messing with all settings!?

Yeah, i tried all that, i may try abit more later on but i like the settings i have on both of them separately but it all goes to sh1t when they are both active.

Im beginning to thing you right with your first comment.

spoonbadger

brendansmith wrote: »

Lads, another problem

I can use my DS1 on its own and it sounds great, likewise with my CS3 and it works wonders.
However when i use both in conjunction with each other a piercing feedback emitts from my amp which can only be gotten rid of by turning off one of the pedals or turning down the knobs on the CS3 and rendering it useless.

Any ideas?

What order are you running them?. If the DS is first in the chain,it may be overloading the CS. Try them in different orders,see if it helps.

brendansmith

spoonbadger wrote: »

What order are you running them?. If the DS is first in the chain,it may be overloading the CS. Try them in different orders,see if it helps.

Yeah i had the ds first and switched them around, it was an improvement but still the prolem persists. Maybe someone could advise me actually. Currently i have this set up:

guitar - tuner - cs - ds - delay - wah - amp

Is this alright?

-=al=-

guitar > tuner > cs > wah > ds > delay > amp

thats my prefernce there, and ive no idea, cud be something f'ed up inside the pedal

brendansmith

-=al=- wrote: »

guitar > tuner > cs > wah > ds > delay > amp

thats my prefernce there, and ive no idea, cud be something f'ed up inside the pedal

I consider that the pedal was faulty but they both work fine on their own.

Eoin Madsen

brendansmith wrote: »

However when i use both in conjunction with each other a piercing feedback emitts from my amp which can only be gotten rid of by turning off one of the pedals or turning down the knobs on the CS3 and rendering it useless.

Is it actual feedback or just a squeeling sound? Does it go away if you turn down the guitar volume?

Overdrive and distortion cause compression, which lowers the feedback threshold. Getting excessive feedback from using multiple devices introducing several stages compression is not unusual tbh.

brendansmith wrote: »

Any ideas?

Don't use them in conjunction. :pac:

darrenw5094

Strange that. Though Boss are a bit behind the times at this stage. Boss are average at best. The quality of their components are crap these days.

Compression and overdrive/distortion is a bit tricky together at times. When you are not playing a note.....you get a horrible hissing noise.

demanufactured

Your wah normally would go in first in the chain.

brendansmith

No i get feedback.

But yes they are a noisy as fu(k.

brendansmith

demanufactured wrote: »

Your wah normally would go in first in the chain.

Really?

How would you set up my erm.....set up?

darrenw5094

The stock DS-1 is bollox. The stock CS-3 is bollox. Boss are bollox.

Compression is first in the chain alright. Then the wah. Then overdrives/distortions. And finally delay. The tuner could go anywhere.

Best place for the delay is in the loop on the amp, if it has one.

brendansmith

darrenw5094 wrote: »

The stock DS-1 is bollox. The stock CS-3 is bollox. Boss are bollox.

HAHAHA! Yeah, so everyone keeps telling me.

-=al=-

well its recomended the tuner first to get the dry signal from the guitar straight up, but it can go anywhere, i also think its important for compression to be on a dry signal before effects, but thats me either at the start or end, prob, and any modulations i.e delay are best suited to a loop, but its all preference

brendansmith

Might get it modded, by
"Von Lehmann Engineering"

Anyone any experience?

http://www.vonlehmannengineering.com/BOSS_CS3.html

-=al=-

ive a marshall ed-1 compressor, its about 55euro and is a nice simple decent compressor, the boss one is prob the worst one ive tried

brendansmith

-=al=- wrote: »

ive a marshall ed-1 compressor, its about 55euro and is a nice simple decent compressor, the boss one is prob the worst one ive tried

HAHAHA oh christ, thats not good

darrenw5094

I have heard of the pedaldoc from Spain though. Youtube video (maybe Jack Black) shows that it is as good as the Keeley €300 and the T-Rex.

The T-Rex made in Denmark one is probably the best value all round.
About €130, but is not as complicated as the Keeley compressor.

studiorat

So when the compressor and the distortion are both on you are getting feedback?

It would seem to me that the boost from both pedals is making your pick-ups too sensitive. Did you try turning the guitar down?

Distortion models saturation of a valve amp. Basically the you can't get anymore signal into the amp and it becomes saturated (like a sponge if you will) the signal clips (squashed) at the top and bottom of the wave. A by-product of this is serious compression/limiting, you really shouldn't need the CS-3 (which I think is actually quite good!). The only thing it's doing is turning up the signal to the amp more, you'd be better off turning up the pre-amp on the amp.

I'd go back and re-assess my sound, use either one pedal or the other. If you want to drive the amp more just turn up the output of the pedal or the pre-amp.

If you want to try an experiment you could put the compressor into the effects loop on the amp and just leave it turned on all the time see does that get you where you want.

Wah delay and compression are always tricky to figure the best order to run in. It depends on personal taste really, and the settings you choose on each pedal.

brendansmith

Thanks studiorat,

I reckon your right and im charging the amp too much.

But its just i like the distortion up full to gimme a tight drenched sound, but i need the sustain and the clarity on the higher notes.

tbh i never tried to turn down the guitar only the amp and pedals, ill give that a go.

Doctor J

Eoin Madsen wrote: »

Overdrive and distortion cause compression, which lowers the feedback threshold. Getting excessive feedback from using multiple devices introducing several stages compression is not unusual tbh.

That's it in a nutshell.

Red Sleeping Beauty

The CS-3 Compression/Sustainer either adds sustain or compresses depending on how you have it set up. Try lowering down the Sustain level and see if that helps.

brendansmith wrote: »

HAHAHA oh christ, thats not good

No need to accept that as fact. It's what you think that matters.


Oh , and if you're using a Distortion pedal and your amp's Overdrive channel that's a fair whack of of distortion you'll get. Try playing with the gain on the Amp's channel and then on the pedal to see if you can get your desired amount of dirt. You don't really need everything at 11 to get a "drenched" sound.