Athiests seek injunction to stop God being referenced in the inaugural oath.

The_Minister

http://www.ffrf.org/legal/warrenComplaint.pdf

Basically a bunch of Athiests Activists are trying to force the Chief Justice not to let Obama say "So help me God" at the end of the oath.

AFAIK the phrase is not in the actual written oath but is customarily added by the new President.


Obviously he doesn't have a chance in hell, but it's still funny how petty some people are.

Fizman

I eat pieces of oats like him for breakfast.

Senna

Maybe Obama will say "praise be to god, can i get an amen"

Biggins

They will love Georgia then!

towel401

*sigh*
i'm getting tired of these freaking atheist threads here and i'm not even religous. i thought there was a special forum for them?

the guy who is pulling this **** is one of the more extremist (or just wacky) annoying types and no better than any other kind of religious fundamentalist who tries to force his beliefs on other people.

Red Hand

What's wrong with countering it? It's like saying "So help me Santa".

God or Santa ain't going to help you run a country.

Though the Flying Spaghetti Monster might.:pac:

Kernel

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

Though the Flying Spaghetti Monster might.:pac:

6 posts into a thread about atheism/God and we get Dawkins' favourite. That's right... the ****ing flying spaghetti monster. *groan*

Personally, I don't care about whether God is referenced in an oath, and I suspect neither does/would the big man. I do care about Obama's right to religious freedom - in which case 'forcing' someone not to follow their religion is a little much. Unless they're muslims.

Biggins

...and in other Atheist news...

Atheists vs. Christians: A Little Christmas Feud

Olympia WA, USA: An organization known as Freedom From Religion put up an Atheist sign close to last years Christmas nativity scene set up by a Christian organization. The 50lb sign was stolen, leading to heated words between the groups. Police can't find who took the sign.

Atheists are accused of attacking Christmas-- Christians, of breaking the stealing commandment. The Christian Coalition of America called on the public to help them stop the atheist ads. The governors office began to receive 200 calls an hour.

The sign read, "At this season of THE WINTER SOLSTICE may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds."

Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05/atheists.christmas/index.html?eref=rss_topstories


Blasphemy! Atheist Youth Damn Themselves to Eternal Torment on YouTube

According to the Bible's Mark 3:28-29 "...all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven." Some people on YouTube.com are either going to hell... or not.

People are taking part in The Blasphemy Challenge, a project by documentary filmmaker Brian 'The God Who Wasn't There' Fleming and Brian Sapient. Their message: Don't be afraid of God. 400 people have posted videos so far.

"Hi. my name is Lindy and I deny the existence of the Holy Spirit and you should too." says one girl, damning her soul to Hell. 'Forgive them, they know not what they do'" prays Baptist Richard Land- thus saving everyone from damnation... or not.

Source: http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=59310


US man not allowed to have 'Atheist' car plate anymore

Steven Miles from Florida is not allowed to have his car plate which reads 'Atheist' anymore.
The plate has been declared "obscene or objectionable" and the state of Florida does not want to re-issue it because of 10 complaints they received.
Steven Miles who is the president of 'Atheists of Florida' has had the car plate for the last 16 years.

Source: http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=19041


Its a mad ungodly world we live in! Yippeeeeeee :pac::pac::pac:

So wait a second.The athiests are trying to fight against somebody they don't believe exists.

Maybe the creationists aren't the nutters after all.;)

seanybiker

What is the fascination with people on here starting an athiest thread every two minutes. Get over it

Biggins

seanybiker wrote: »

What is the fascination with people on here starting an athiest thread every two minutes. Get over it

'Cos it's Ah?

'Cos if they (others) had a go AT a religion, other much quicker religious grumps would be getting onto their high horses and objecting?

At least the subject of atheism can be spoken about - god willing! :rolleyes:

seanybiker

meh suppose so.

jimmycrackcorm

Only from the country that prizes freedom of speech the most.

Aye Matey!

Senna wrote: »

Maybe Obama will say "praise be to god, can i get an amen"

Biggins

Senna wrote: »

Maybe Obama will say "praise be to god, can i get an amen"

How about a "Praise be to Gia!"

Aye Matey!

Biggins wrote: »

How about a "Praise be to Gia!"

That would be more to the point alrite. Globalist pigs.

Overheal

There is an Atheism Forum where all of that shyte belongs.

Hagar

A long as he doesn't say "Allah al ahkbar" he should be just fine.

lostexpectation

gotta keep those heathen commies out.

slipss

The_Minister wrote: »

http://www.ffrf.org/legal/warrenComplaint.pdf

Basically a bunch of Athiests Activists are trying to force the Chief Justice not to let Obama say "So help me God" at the end of the oath.

AFAIK the phrase is not in the actual written oath but is customarily added by the new President.


Obviously he doesn't have a chance in hell, but it's still funny how petty some people are.

Ugh, the only thing I hate more than religious nuts are atheist nuts, I mean get yourselves a fukking hobby or something.

RossFixxxed

I'm an Athiest. But what always drove me mad about some (and it's a minority of the crazy) religious types was their forcing it down my throat.

This ridiculous athiest stuff is every bit as bad. Why not just be one and get over it!

Ross

RedPlanet

The reason Atheists are doing this is because it's exactly what the Christains have been doing to society for years. What goes around, comes around.
Christians are constantly forcing their belief down everybody's throats.
Why should the US currency say "In God We Trust"?
What a load of rubbish.
Where is the parity of esteem?
Where is the freedom from religion?
I'd say people like Thomas Jefferson would gag on what America has become.
Fair play to the Athiests for giving those Christains hell!

Acacia

RossFixxxed wrote: »

I'm an Athiest. But what always drove me mad about some (and it's a minority of the crazy) religious types was their forcing it down my throat.

This ridiculous athiest stuff is every bit as bad. Why not just be one and get over it!

Ross

Agreed. Just let the man say what he wants. It's not like he's forcing religion down anyone's throat. It's just a formality. And if he does believe in God, so what? Is he not allowed to say so? Jeez.

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

What's wrong with countering it? It's like saying "So help me Santa".

God or Santa ain't going to help you run a country.

Though the Flying Spaghetti Monster might.:pac:

Not really the point though. It's about freedom of speech.

Though we could have Flying Spaghetti Monster for 2012!

Biggins wrote: »

Steven Miles from Florida is not allowed to have his car plate which reads 'Atheist' anymore.
The plate has been declared "obscene or objectionable" and the state of Florida does not want to re-issue it because of 10 complaints they received.
Steven Miles who is the president of 'Atheists of Florida' has had the car plate for the last 16 years.

Source: http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=19041


Its a mad ungodly world we live in! Yippeeeeeee :pac::pac::pac:

That's ridiculous too. Who complains about somebody's car plate? Honestly? That's about freedom of speech as well- he should be allowed put whatever he wants on his car.

biko

It's the "God bless America" I have a problem with.

Stephen

I think their point is that the US constitution guarantees separation of chuch and state. The president giving an oath under god is not compatible with that.

RossFixxxed

But saying it's just what they did, makes you AS BAD AS THEM. You can't win by constantly upping the ante. Someone has to be the bigger person.

Otherwise it's just gangland politics, and goes on and on.

lostexpectation

how is asking teh us not to endow religion, when it shouldn't forcing it down anyones throat, i hate the people who hate people who...

lostexpectation

the bigger person follows the laws and the laws say no god

philologos

RedPlanet wrote: »

The reason Atheists are doing this is because it's exactly what the Christains have been doing to society for years. What goes around, comes around.
Christians are constantly forcing their belief down everybody's throats.
Why should the US currency say "In God We Trust"?
What a load of rubbish.
Where is the parity of esteem?
Where is the freedom from religion?
I'd say people like Thomas Jefferson would gag on what America has become.
Fair play to the Athiests for giving those Christains hell!

Evangelism comes under rights to free speech I believe. As for the freedom from religion, I guess that is the same as the freedom to block your ears? You have an option whether or not to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, nobody can possibly force you.

As for Atheists giving Christians hell, I really don't think they have. Christian apologetics is plenty strong enough to deal objections that those "new atheists" like Harris, Dennett, Hitchens, and Dawkins may have.

Why should the US currency say In God we Trust? Ask Abe Lincoln who put it on after an appeal from Christians to the president in the 19th century. Mind you the same could be asked of the Dutch government for placing "God Zij Met Ons" along the side of their Euro coins.

bill_ashmount

The_Minister wrote: »

Obviously he doesn't have a chance in hell, but it's still funny how petty some people are.

There is nothing petty about it.

That organisation do some great work in America and have had many court victorys. They'll keep plugging away, it's great to say some rational free minded people standing up to the evil of all religions throughout the world.

Borneo Fnctn

*cough* There's no such thing as God. *cough*

philologos

bill_ashmount wrote: »

There is nothing petty about it.

That organisation do some great work in America and have had many court victorys. They'll keep plugging away, it's great to say some rational free minded people standing up to the evil of all religions throughout the world.

Standing up against the evil which humans have created by manipulating religion rather (this has also happened with the manipulation atheism during the 20th century), and standing up against the good which Christianity has encouraged over the year. Doesn't sound as noble as you are making it out to be.

Canis Lupus

I like atheists pushing their agenda. I'm with Dawkins. Religion is dangerous and should be done away with. It's not a case of just let them be.

Like Dawkins says people who believe are organised and can be led. This obviously in turns leads to lobbyists and politics which shapes every facet of our lives, just look at the middle east or the US.

Religion is something harmful under the guise of something good.

RossFixxxed

I do agree it's dangerous, I do agree with a lot Dawkins says but it's the METHOD that people are taking that's crazy. A fundamentalist lunatic is the same no matter what. YES I believe Atheism is right, but being a smug self absorbed idiot does not help the cause. Some of the worst people I've met in religous arguments are athiests...

ShooterSF

I'm an atheist but if he beliefs in a god let him say it. It's the Americans fault if they elect someone who feels he needs the help of a fictional character. Don't blame him.

lostexpectation

rossfixxed its those pres thats adding in the religion not the atheists taking it away

RossFixxxed

Yeah I get that. And I appreicate the point, as I say it's HOW it's handled that will make the difference. There shouldn't be mention to be fair, but going mad and being elitist is not the way. That's more of a general point.

lostexpectation

rossfixxxed hes going through the courts is there any better way?

vibe666

Jakkass wrote: »

the same could be asked of the Dutch government for placing "God Zij Met Ons" along the side of their Euro coins.

i'm pretty sure that's Dutch for "God is a DJ" so it doesn't count.

pablomakaveli

Ive no problem with people who choose not to believe in God as its perfectly within their rights to do so. However i hate atheist who look down their noses at people who do choose to believe in God.

Even if the atheists got their wish and all religion was removed from the world, humans would only find something else to fight and kill over.

And on a less serious note, Dawkins flying spaghetti monster probably does exist. The universe is so vast that its statistically possible for a race of flying spaghetti monsters to exist in some part of the universe.

ShooterSF

pablomakaveli wrote: »

And on a less serious note, Dawkins flying spaghetti monster probably does exist. The universe is so vast that its statistically possible for a race of flying spaghetti monsters to exist in some part of the universe.

I'd like to see those statistics

daveharnett

The_Minister wrote: »

http://www.ffrf.org/legal/warrenComplaint.pdf

Basically a bunch of Athiests Activists are trying to force the Chief Justice not to let Obama say "So help me God" at the end of the oath.

AFAIK the phrase is not in the actual written oath but is customarily added by the new President.


Obviously he doesn't have a chance in hell, but it's still funny how petty some people are.

As you said, the God thing is NOT part of the oath, so what's the problem? Ah well, I suppose it was only a matter of time before nonreligous fanatics began to emerge.

daveharnett

bill_ashmount wrote: »

There is nothing petty about it.

You're right, trying to prevent somebody from speaking freely isn't petty. It's sinister.
Next will be an injunction to prevent Oscar winners from thanking Jesus?

Once again, god is NOT part of the official oath.

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Like Dawkins says people who believe are organised and can be led.

Hmmm. Canis, I really hope that the irony of that sentence was intentional.

vibe666

ShooterSF wrote: »

I'd like to see those statistics

no problem.

infinite time & space = infinite possibilites = FSM FTW!

Nevyn

biko wrote: »

It's the "God bless America" I have a problem with.

How about "God smite America" instead.

Personally I think they are right it is meant to be a secular nation.

Oh and Heathens are not godless or atheists.

CK.1

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I like atheists pushing their agenda. I'm with Dawkins. Religion is dangerous and should be done away with. It's not a case of just let them be.

Like Dawkins says people who believe are organised and can be led. This obviously in turns leads to lobbyists and politics which shapes every facet of our lives, just look at the middle east or the US.

Religion is something harmful under the guise of something good.

Wow, talk about a big generalisation

javaboy

daveharnett wrote: »

Hmmm. Canis, I really hope that the irony of that sentence was intentional.

All hail Dawkins!

Sam Vimes

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Ive no problem with people who choose not to believe in God as its perfectly within their rights to do so. However i hate atheist who look down their noses at people who do choose to believe in God.

what if you met a grown man who believed in santa claus and refused to listen to anyone telling him he might not exist. would you lose some respect for him or would you respect his beliefs?

Nevyn

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I like atheists pushing their agenda. I'm with Dawkins. Religion is dangerous and should be done away with. It's not a case of just let them be.

Like Dawkins says people who believe are organised and can be led. This obviously in turns leads to lobbyists and politics which shapes every facet of our lives, just look at the middle east or the US.

Clear he has never tired to organise an inter faith pagan ritual or booze up.

javaboy

Sam Vimes wrote: »

what if you met a grown man who believed in santa claus and refused to listen to anyone telling him he might not exist. would you lose some respect for him or would you respect his beliefs?

There's a bit of a difference though.

There is clear evidence that the SC bringing toys to everyone thing is a fiction.

You don't have that kind of evidence to prove that God is a sham. You can show certain religious things were plucked out of someone's imagination like Scientology and there are probably a million examples from most major religions of things that were exaggerated, embellished or just plain made up. But you cannot prove God is fictional so it's not quite the same thing.

Iang87

Sam Vimes wrote: »

what if you met a grown man who believed in santa claus and refused to listen to anyone telling him he might not exist. would you lose some respect for him or would you respect his beliefs?

No of course no1 would respect him cos santa doesn't exist cos we all know exactly what happens that night.
However no1 can prove the existence or non-existance of god, so to the atheist trying to get words changed of an oath thats a couple hundred years old they should **** off not try force their point down peoples throats cos they dont believe in something that gives some people great relief from what might otherwise be a pitiful existance for them.