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Paris - Advice needed

  • 14-01-2009 12:12pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭


    Hi All,

    Heading to Paris next Tuesday with my girlfriend.

    Flying into Charles DeGaulle and staying very close to the Arc De Triomphe.

    Just wondering if people had any advice on things to avoid and be careful of?
    What is the best way to get about and see places?
    Places to avoid being ripped of etc...

    I looked at the thread below which solved some of my queries but would appreciate any advice.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055382639&highlight=PARIS




    Thanks,

    Eddie
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭chenguin



    What is the best way to get about and see places?


    The best way to get around is the metro. You can get a few different tyoes of tickets. They arent too expensive. The price depends on how far you are going, it is divided into zones. There are metro stops by all the main tourist spots. If you havent used a metro before I would recommend looking it up before you go as the map of all the intercrossing trains etc can be quite daunting but it is quite easy.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    Grab yourself a 1-7 carte visite available from the train station (ratp) at the airport. It'll take you on all metros and buses and take you to and from the airport.

    Avoid looking like a tourist on the metro with bags hanging open and cameras all over the shop.

    Avoid buying drinks in food in tourist places that will charge €5 for a coke.

    As I said on the other thread, get the boat trip on the Seine from Pont Neuf and maybe check out the hop-on/hop-off bus ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭themacdaddy


    Ponster wrote: »
    Grab yourself a 1-7 carte visite available from the train station (ratp) at the airport. It'll take you on all metros and buses and take you to and from the airport.

    Avoid looking like a tourist on the metro with bags hanging open and cameras all over the shop.

    Avoid buying drinks in food in tourist places that will charge €5 for a coke.

    As I said on the other thread, get the boat trip on the Seine from Pont Neuf and maybe check out the hop-on/hop-off bus ?


    Ye i got a really good camera recently and I want to use it over there. I have a camera bag that looks like a gear bag so once I dont got floating it about I should be ok.
    chenguin wrote: »
    The best way to get around is the metro. You can get a few different tyoes of tickets. They arent too expensive. The price depends on how far you are going, it is divided into zones. There are metro stops by all the main tourist spots. If you havent used a metro before I would recommend looking it up before you go as the map of all the intercrossing trains etc can be quite daunting but it is quite easy.

    I will check it out thanks. There is alot to see over there so I would like to fit as much in a possible.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,144 ✭✭✭✭Cicero


    While on the topic of Paris, I'm currently looking for accomodation over 4 days in July- have read dozens of reviews on popular places on tripadvisor but the bad reviews always fully contradict the good ones so v.reluctant to book any of them- if anyone has experience of a good place to stay in Paris near enough to main attractions would appreciate your views - also where is a good region of Paris to base yourself thats a good combination of value and ease of access. -
    Cheers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭SilverSparkle


    Cicero wrote: »
    While on the topic of Paris, I'm currently looking for accomodation over 4 days in July- have read dozens of reviews on popular places on tripadvisor but the bad reviews always fully contradict the good ones so v.reluctant to book any of them- if anyone has experience of a good place to stay in Paris near enough to main attractions would appreciate your views - also where is a good region of Paris to base yourself thats a good combination of value and ease of access. -
    Cheers.

    I've been to Paris so many times and i LOVE it!!

    This hotel is a nice quiet hotel. Its near the metro and centrally located so you can walk to the Champs Elysees. I'd reccommend it

    http://www.mercure.com/gb/hotel-1271...ne/index.shtml

    I've stayed in this next hotel twice..
    Very very very reasonible. My bf and I got a double room for €75 a night. Very clean, nice staff.
    Metro Stop just outside the door.
    And Gare de Lyon is just up the road.
    I think if you/re looking for somewhere that has a good metro station nearby then go for this.
    I know myself ill go there again

    http://www.ibishotel.com/gb/hotel-32...me/index.shtml


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭SilverSparkle


    Hi All,
    Heading to Paris next Tuesday with my girlfriend.
    Flying into Charles DeGaulle and staying very close to the Arc De Triomphe.
    Just wondering if people had any advice on things to avoid and be careful of?
    What is the best way to get about and see places?
    Places to avoid being ripped of etc...
    I looked at the thread below which solved some of my queries but would appreciate any advice.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055382639&highlight=PARIS
    Thanks,

    Eddie

    Paris is my favourite place in the world!!!
    I love it so much!!!

    Go to Montemarte and visit sacre coeur and get a crepe while walking around looking at the artists!

    See the Eifel Tower at Night time lit up!

    If you are going for a while take a trip to Disneyland! Its only 35 mins from Gare de Lyon on the RER A.

    Take account that the Louvre closes on Tuesdays.
    But entrance is free on Friday evenings for 18-25 year olds.

    Go to Versaille. It is so beautiful.

    Have a meal in The Latin Quarter. The atmosphere is brilliant.

    Walk Up the champs elysees at night.

    Enjoy your trip!

    Ponster wrote: »
    Grab yourself a 1-7 carte visite available from the train station (ratp) at the airport. It'll take you on all metros and buses and take you to and from the airport.

    Avoid looking like a tourist on the metro with bags hanging open and cameras all over the shop.

    Avoid buying drinks in food in tourist places that will charge €5 for a coke.

    Definitely worth it.
    As far as I can remember when i got the Paris Visite ticket last summer it was €35 for zones 1-7. Definitely worth it.

    Also avoid eye contact on the metro. You never know who is there.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    You never know who is there.

    Me if it's 8:30 and line 2 :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭themacdaddy



    Also avoid eye contact on the metro. You never know who is there.

    Haha thanks. I shold be fine...guess I just want it to be a great holiday. Going for 5 days (4 nights). Staying in Swinging design Boutique hotel - Arc de Triomphe - 4*. It on the Aerlingus secret hotels thing. Should be good all going well.

    Oh another thing how expensive is it in Paris. Can't be much worse than Dublin can it? Haha


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    Oh another thing how expensive is it in Paris. Can't be much worse than Dublin can it? Haha

    If you go to the hot spots then you are going to pay the big bucks.

    Walk down any back street a couple of hundred yards and you'll pay much cheaper prices.
    Have the odd picnic, last time I walked into a back street delicateseen it was fantastic.
    Huge range of wonderful food and the man behind the counter was wonderful, very helpful and also recommended what wine should go with the food.
    If you can speak french, I personally found the back street shop keepers to be exceptional. They can spend up to 5 or 10 minutes chatting you about their wares, seeing the sites etc...
    I adore Paris, you can spend your whole time wandering the streets if you wish and still have a great time.
    As has been suggested, walk to Montemarte and visit the Sacre Coeur.
    Walk up the Champs- Élysées.
    Go to Notre Dame early in the morning and go inside, if the sun is shining that stain glass window is not to be missed. You can almost see Quasimodo swing from the roof :)

    For cheap food, go to the Latin Quarter across from Pont Neuf. There is a huge range of restaurants and so the prices are low. Don't go to the first one, walk right in towards the back, I found the restaurants even better there.

    For the best view of Paris, don't waste your time going to the top of the Eiffel Tower, the queues will be huge. Go instead to the top of Tour Montparnasse. That way you get a view of Paris, with the Eiffel Tower in it!

    The metro is fantastic for getting from A to B.
    But, if you are there for 5 days, do a lot of walking. I think there is no better city in the world for walking in. You get a real feel for the place and there are so many beautiful buildings to see as you walk along.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    Haha thanks. I shold be fine...guess I just want it to be a great holiday. Going for 5 days (4 nights). Staying in Swinging design Boutique hotel - Arc de Triomphe - 4*. It on the Aerlingus secret hotels thing. Should be good all going well.

    Oh another thing how expensive is it in Paris. Can't be much worse than Dublin can it? Haha

    I guess it all depends on what kind of a tourist you are. I've met people who have paid €30 for 2 x coffee and toast just because it was the only place that they found where the waiter spoke English. If they had bothered to say "Bonjour, "coffee" et "toast" please" they would have got it for €5. Most palces have fixed menus and a 3 course lunch menu for €15 is pretty common.

    I find Dublin to be much more expensive then Dublin as regards food and hotels.


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    Un café et un croque-monsieur svp. (krock)

    Seriously, I could live on croque-monsieur's. When you break it down, it's just a cheese and ham tosted sandwich.
    But,
    It is SO much more than that when done properly. Yummy heaven.
    themacdaddy I insist you try one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37 prentice


    We have all heard of the arrogant Parisian gits havent we?

    Well What i experienced for the most part, was courteous friendly people which was nice.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    prentice wrote: »
    We have all heard of the arrogant Parisian gits havent we?


    You just have to have the knack really :)

    The waiters dressed in black and white are unionised staff and a lot of the time probably earn more than you do :) Most people have trouble with this bunch.

    The job is a profession and to get it you need to pass exams in collage and be accepted to the union. Because of this they have a certain arrogance that Irish wouldn't be used to in waiting staff where in Ireland if you're not working for yourself, the job of waiting upon others doesn't hold a lot of value.

    The thing to remember is that they're aren't treating you like crap because you're not French. They treat you like crap because you don't understand the correct etiquette and aren't behaving 'properly' :)
    They do the exact same thing to all French people, even more so I'd say, who are from other parts of France.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭themacdaddy


    Beruthiel wrote: »
    Un café et un croque-monsieur svp. (krock)

    themacdaddy I insist you try one.

    I swear I will and report back...I am really looking forward to it...Are Bus tours worth it or not in your opinion?
    prentice wrote: »

    Well What i experienced for the most part, was courteous friendly people which was nice.

    Ye I have been told by alot of Irish to expect rude French people but I am not going with that mindset. I think its only fair to judge them on your own experiences.
    Ponster wrote: »
    I've met people who have paid €30 for 2 x coffee and toast just because it was the only place that they found where the waiter spoke English.

    I can speak french...I am not fluent but know how to order food, ask for directions, ask all types of questions and even apply for a job (who said the Leaving Cert French was crap :D) Basic understanding of French. I think the old B1 in the L. Cert could stand to me yet ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭themacdaddy


    Oh btw staying in this hotel http://www.monhotel.fr/index_monhotel.php?langue=anglais

    looks kind of crazy but cool.. rooms look great


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    I swear I will and report back...I am really looking forward to it

    Good lad!
    Are Bus tours worth it or not in your opinion?

    I've been to Paris 5 times and never taken one...
    Ye I have been told by alot of Irish to expect rude French people but I am not going with that mindset. I think its only fair to judge them on your own experiences.

    Like any where, you will get good and bad.
    Expect the rudeness more in the tourist places.
    The rest of France tend to dislike anyone from Paris.
    Use the french manners system (which I presume you know?) and smile.
    I can speak french...I am not fluent but know how to order food, ask for directions, ask all types of questions and even apply for a job

    You're sorted then!
    Bon Voyage :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭themacdaddy


    Beruthiel wrote: »
    Use the french manners system (which I presume you know?)


    I don't think I am familiar with this! Please tell....


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    Don't call the waiter "Garcon!" :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭ncmc


    Croque Monsiur... *Insert Homer Simpson style drooling noises here* Problem with them is I could never stop at one! Also try crepe and Nutella, crepe with ham and cheese, crepe with cheese... just any kind of crepe really.

    Paris is a place where a little bit of french goes a long way. I speak horrible french, but they appreciate you trying. Prime example, I was queueing for a croque monsiur (i'm telling you, i'm addicted to these things) and in my pigoen french, I ordered one, a hotdog fromage (also yummy) plus a coke. The girl was so pleasant and I got my order really quickly. The woman directly behind me came up and ordered in English, cue surly behaviour from the girl serving and the woman was no nearer getting her order when I was merrily on my way with mine!

    As for things to do, if you like art, the Musee D'orsay is a must see, it has so many really famous impressionist paintings. My tip is get there first thing and head straight to the top floor (where all the famous pieces are) and make your way down. That way you have the paintings all to yourself before the mob makes it's way up. Even the building is beautiful (it is a converted railway station). Another must see is the Notre Dame towers, they queue can be quite long, but again, getting there early is a must. The view from the towers are beautiful (much better than the Eiffel Tower in my opinion. You also get up close to the famous gargoyles and one of the huge bells. One warning though, there are quite a lot of narrow stairs, so maybe not suitable for the unfit or claustrophobic. You will find that entrance in to the sites and museums is quite reasonable by our standards, for example the Notre Dame towers are only €7.50 per person, the Eiffel tower is something similar.

    I agree with the previous poster about avoiding the Eiffel Tower, the queues are always crazy and the view from the top is missing the most famous landmark in Paris... the Eiffel Tower! the view from Notre Dame or Arc Du Triomphe is just as good.

    Also agree with previous posters, the Latin Quarter is a great lively place to drink, eat and just soak up the atmosphere, just avoid restaurants with pictures of the food! (mind you that is a rule of thumb for whatever city you are in)


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    ncmc wrote: »
    Croque Monsiur... *Insert Homer Simpson style drooling noises here* Problem with them is I could never stop at one! Also try crepe and Nutella, crepe with ham and cheese, crepe with cheese... just any kind of crepe really.

    Ahhhh.. a true traveller :)

    Most Irish people shy away from crepes thinking of pancakes and lemon juice.

    Once you've handed over €5 for a two-handful crepe full of cheese/ham/eggs/mushrooms you can never go back to just ordering a bag of chips.
    It's Fast Food but boy is it good!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭themacdaddy


    ncmc wrote: »
    Croque Monsiur... just any kind of crepe really.

    Paris is a place where a little bit of french goes a long way. I speak horrible french, but they appreciate you trying.

    Excellent thanks...i have been to France twice....Lyon & Brittany but never Paris...I can't wait now....
    Ponster wrote: »
    Ahhhh.. a true traveller :)

    Once you've handed over €5 for a two-handful crepe full of cheese/ham/eggs/mushrooms you can never go back to just ordering a bag of chips.

    No I love them and as ye say I can never have just one...they may be bad for you but they taste so good...

    Cheers for the advice lads & ladies....good to get advice from people who have been there and bought the t-shirt :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭mental07


    Ponster wrote: »
    Me if it's 8:30 and line 2 :p
    And I'm to be found on the line 6 :D
    Beruthiel wrote: »
    Go to Notre Dame early in the morning and go inside, if the sun is shining that stain glass window is not to be missed. You can almost see Quasimodo swing from the roof :)

    But, if you are there for 5 days, do a lot of walking. I think there is no better city in the world for walking in. You get a real feel for the place and there are so many beautiful buildings to see as you walk along.

    If you're into your stained glass windows, the one in the Sainte-Chapelle is also beautiful and close by http://sainte-chapelle.monuments-nationaux.fr/

    And +1 on walking - with so much to see, you'll never be bored. Maybe cold at this time of the year, but not bored!
    Ponster wrote: »
    I find Dublin to be much more expensive then Dublin as regards food and hotels.
    Me too. Just today I had a slice of quiche, a mushroom risotto and a bowl of ice-cream for €9.90 :eek:
    Are Bus tours worth it or not in your opinion?

    They're fine if you want to get a feel for the place, I suppose. I generally find that exploring a city independently is way more fun though!

    ncmc wrote: »
    Also try crepe and Nutella, crepe with ham and cheese, crepe with cheese... just any kind of crepe really.
    Nutella and banana ftw!


    What else... I recommend climbing the Arc de Triomphe by night, the view is spectacular - and the Eiffel Tower is very close by.

    There's an ice-rink in front of the Hotel de Ville (city hall) at the moment if you fancy that. As far as I know you just rent your skates - not sure of price, about a fiver I think - and off you go!

    Go for a stroll in the Luxembourg Gardens, they really are beautiful.

    The sales are on at the moment, grab yourselves a few bargains!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,315 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Do your sums before opting for the Paris Visite. Unless you are using the Metro a lot, it will work out cheaper to get a carnet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 54 ✭✭thischarmingman


    Paris is my favourite place in the world!!!
    I love it so much!!!

    Go to Montemarte and visit sacre coeur and get a crepe while walking around looking at the artists!

    See the Eifel Tower at Night time lit up!

    If you are going for a while take a trip to Disneyland! Its only 35 mins from Gare de Lyon on the RER A.

    Take account that the Louvre closes on Tuesdays.
    But entrance is free on Friday evenings for 18-25 year olds.

    Go to Versaille. It is so beautiful.

    Have a meal in The Latin Quarter. The atmosphere is brilliant.

    Walk Up the champs elysees at night.

    Enjoy your trip!




    Definitely worth it.
    As far as I can remember when i got the Paris Visite ticket last summer it was €35 for zones 1-7. Definitely worth it.

    Also avoid eye contact on the metro. You never know who is there.

    I agree with everything silversparkle says! Paris is my favourite city in the world. Hope it doesn't rain while your there because I think the best way to get around Paris is on foot (you'll be fooked in the evenings but its worth it)

    Avoid the moulin rouge and just grab a quick look at Notre Dame (You've seen one cathedral, you've seen them all)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭themacdaddy


    spurious wrote: »
    Do your sums before opting for the Paris Visite. Unless you are using the Metro a lot, it will work out cheaper to get a carnet.

    Ye I am having problems finding information on this. I do plan to walk alot to can you advise what ticket to get and what it will cover me for etc?
    Or even point me to a webiste that will.

    any help would be appreciated!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    Just type "paris visite" into Google and open the first result.

    http://www.ratp.info/informer/anglais/paris_visite.php

    A return from the CDG airport will cost about €16 so factor that in.

    The cheapest option may be just to buy a return from airport + a carnet (pack of 10) metro tickets for €11. If the weather is good then you'll be walking a lot and maybe the pack of metro tickets will do...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭bills


    Bring loads of money. We spent loads when we were there. Went to the buddha bar ( your girlfriend will love you will probably hate!!) & spent 30 euro on 2 drinks and boyfriend didnt even like his.

    On the other end of the pay scale, you can get relly cheap gyros as well in the latin quarter which are worth a try. We stayed near the latin quarter which was nice. The sorbonne is worth a look if you are in that area but the architecture everywhere is just amazing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭ncmc


    just grab a quick look at Notre Dame (You've seen one cathedral, you've seen them all)

    I have to disagree with this! Notre Dame is my highlight of Paris, the architecture, the history, the tower, the gargoyles even the little garden behind it, I can't say enough good things about it. Definitely worth more than a cursory glance - i'm not even really into churches and cathedrals normally.

    That said, I will also say that I second the recommendation for Saint Chappelle, it is such a beautiful church, the stained glass windows are breath-taking. You can buy a combi ticket that gives you entrance to the Concergerie as well (former prison where Marie-Antoinette was held) it's well worth a visit if you have time.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    Saint Chappelle beats Notre Dame as the latter is just too big and dark for my liking.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,469 ✭✭✭Pythia


    Hey folks, any recs for nice bistro restaurants in Paris? We are going at the weekend. Want somewhere kind of special but not ott prices. Akin to Roly's Bsitro here in Dublin perhaps...?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    What would you pay for a 3 course meal with wine?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭luckat


    Ponster wrote: »
    The thing to remember is that they're aren't treating you like crap because you're not French. They treat you like crap because you don't understand the correct etiquette and aren't behaving 'properly' :)
    They do the exact same thing to all French people, even more so I'd say, who are from other parts of France.

    Tips, please, Ponster. What is correct etiquette in France? How do we avoid putting our feet in our mouths?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,469 ✭✭✭Pythia


    Ponster wrote: »
    What would you pay for a 3 course meal with wine?

    Well 100 ish between the 2 without wine. Neither of us will be drinking most likely. Can be a bit higher.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭LilOc


    Pythia wrote: »
    Well 100 ish between the 2 without wine. Neither of us will be drinking most likely. Can be a bit higher.
    Am i too late? Have you already gone? Hope not.

    You'll definitely find your culinary paradise in Paris for cheaper than that if you avoid "trendy sh*te" and go for TRADITIONAL and RUSTIC! A few adresses :

    * La Maison de la Lozère (it's actually part of a 'House of the Lozère area' in Paris and they also have a room with expositions and a shop with regional products! Huge portions of delicious meals that would be 'fancy' in Dublin like 'fois gras poêlé'...for a maximum of 20 € per head (actually the menu is at 22, 26 if you take a cheese plate, formulas at 15 for lunch) and it's in the Saint-Michel / Odéon area just next to the lively Latin Quarter... => http://www.lozere-a-paris.com/

    * The very unpretentious L'Estaminet, in the Enfants Rouges market in Le Marais : http://www.qype.co.uk/place/88485-Lestaminet-Paris/photos?trackpage=placepage&trackelement=gallery

    * Typical & authentic Parisian café/bistro : Le Café du Commerce, off the beaten track as well but still in a cool area for shoppers (rue du Commerce isn't named like that for nothing...Impressive historical Art Déco settings as well, you wouln't believe how big the place was before entering) : http://www.lecafeducommerce.com/?page=photos
    Formula at €26, à la carte starters from €5 to €12, meals around €14, deserts around €7, starting wine bottles at around €17

    * Pain, Vins et fromages serving fondues, raclettes, pierrades... http://www.painvinfromage.com/uk/index.htm


    *There are also the serie of Breton crêperies (much better than the ones made on stalls...) and proper 'galette' of black floor and gallons of Breton cider on the nicknamed 'rue des crêpes' : rue du Montparnasse, 14st district and surrounding litle streets, every two doors...


    *The nicknamed 'rue de la soif' ('thirst street') a big rugby area but a gourmet destination when no match is on : corner made by the rue guisarde, rue princesse and rue des canettes near Mabillon tube station (Bastide de l'Opio is a good one)


    Now you also have relatively affordable cool trendy stuff but then, don't forget to book...

    * La Gare (named like that because it was a train station) in the fancy but lively 16ème around La Muette ("entréé - plat - dessert" formulas at €18 lunch, €31 evening : http://www.restaurantlagare.com/indexve.html

    * Another cool romantic one is Le Châlet des Îles on the island of the Boulogne woods' lower lake (despite the description it's quite easy to reach lol). You cross the lake surrounded by ducks on a little boat, etc...

    Despite what they say on this gourmet trips organiser's website : http://www.idealgourmet.fr/index.php?pg=fr/guide/pg1.php&pos=top&bd=vide&id=106&pr=77%B6=444&home=resa&lg=_en

    You have formulas at €25 (lunch) and €30 (evening). http://www.lechaletdesiles.net/

    * Or you can include it in the touristy stuff : then a new Parisians' fave is Les Ombres atop the new Quai Branly Museum (near the Eiffel tower, and it actually strike its shade on it at some point in the day hence the name) : http://www.lesombres-restaurant.com/carte_menu.html

    Some other cool suggestions :

    * Don't miss the BESTEST hot chocolate in the world : http://www.biteofthebest.com/angelinas-hot-chocolate/

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    Hope that helped.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    luckat wrote: »
    Tips, please, Ponster. What is correct etiquette in France? How do we avoid putting our feet in our mouths?

    months too late but.....


    I'm not capable of putting it better than this guy. Scroll down to Dining Tips in Paris.



    Water and Wine

    It’s never required that you order a pricey bottle of water. Be like the French and ask for a carafe d’eau. If you want to order a bottle of water, ask for gazeuse (with gas) or plat (flat, without gas). Be sure to specify when you order. Would you go into a restaurant in the United States and tell a waiter “I’ll have a soda”?

    Ice is rarely given, although if you’re lucky, you may get a cube. Asking for a lot of ice will generally means an extra cube.

    Drinking wine by the carafe is normally good and inexpensive in Paris. Unlike in the US, the wine in the carafe is usually of good quality, which is why many French people order carafes. When in doubt, ordering Côte du Rhône is reliably good red wine.


    Ordering

    If you order two appetizers, or a bowl of soup for a main course, the waiter may be taken aback. Don’t take it as an insult; it’s just not done in restaurants (it’s something you could do in a café without raising eyebrows). Proper dining in France is taken seriously, but if you’d rather eat lightly, just explain to the waiter you’ve had so many delicious pastries that day, you need something lighter. That, my friends, they’ll understand.
    Meat

    Ordering meat rare, or bleu means that you like raw meat, hardly cooked, which is how many French people eat beef. Saignante is close to medium-rare. A point (to the point) is medium, and bien cuit or semelle (shoe leather) is well-done—or as we say in the restaurant business, “at your own risk”. If you like your steak well-done, due to the high quality of the beef, a restaurant that specializes in beef may not allow you to order it that was so don’t be surprised.



    Waiters


    Don’t assume your waiter is rude just because he doesn’t introduce himself by name and tell you his life story and rush over to refill your water after each sip. Unlike American restaurants with large staffs, restaurants in Paris often only have one or two people serving an entire dining room with no busboys. They are really busy! And when they have to deal with English speakers or people figuring out menus, that slows down their entire process. Don’t think they’re necessarily impolite. Realize that dining in France is important so relax and enjoy your meal.

    You are also considered a guest in France when you go to a restaurant, not just a customer. So you should act like you’re in someone’s home, and being demanding or bossy won’t get you very far. If you have a special request, asking nicely and apologizing is your best bet. It’s not being obsequious, it’s normal. Special requests and food allergies seem to be rare in France and they’re simply not used to adjusting menus for special dietary preferences.


    Impoliteness


    There is a perception the French are rude which is probably because you never come across anyone rude in America. In Paris, it’s imperative to say ‘Bonjour Madame/Monsieur’ when entering a shop or restaurant, and ‘Merci Madame/Monsieur’ when leaving. There is an equally incorrect perception that Americans are impolite since they don’t acknowledge the salesclerks in their shops, which is like being invited into someone’s home and stepping inside without saying hello.


    Bread and Butter


    Only in fine dining rooms will you be given a bread plate. Normally you place your bread on the tabletop, not on your plate. Butter is rarely served with bread, but it’s usually okay to ask for it. This may answer your question, “How do the French stay so thin?”
    Ordering Mistakes

    Once you place your order in a restaurant, I advise not making any changes, which disrupts the flow of things. For some reason, once that ticket is submitted to the kitchen, you’re pretty much committed to what you’ve ordered.

    At least once, you will order some unimaginable organ by mistake. When it happens to me I think of it as an instant French lesson. You will also probably get served a steak that’s not cooked exactly the way you expect it, fish will be served with the head on and bones in (taking them out before cooking dries the fish out, they rightly say), and other foibles. If something is obviously wrong, like your ordered a rare steak in a nice restaurant and it comes out gray inside, or the soup or cheese is ice-cold, you should bring it to the attention of the waiter. In lower-priced restaurants and cafés, you should keep your expectations equally modest, though.


    Talking vs. Shouting


    Americans talk LOUDLY. If you don’t believe it, watch cable television “news” for a few minutes. It’s gotten so that restaurant reviews in the United States now include ‘sound’ ratings to denote the volume in restaurants. Many of us are used to speaking loudly, especially when we get into groups. If you’ve ever tried to have a peaceful dinner next to a table celebrating their annual office party, you know what I’m talking about. In Paris, people will modulate their voices so as not to disturb other diners; keeping your voice down will endear you to the locals much better.


    Coffee

    Except during the morning hours, each time you order café, you will be served a small cup of dark, espresso-like coffee. If you want coffee with milk, when ordering ask for a café crème, not after they bring it. You may get a funny look if you ask for a café au lait, which is coffee with milk served in a bowl, always at home, for breakfast. Café noisette is an espresso with a touch of milk.

    No one will automatically bring milk with coffee. If you don’t understand why, assume it’s the same reason that McDonald’s in the United States don’t serve red wine. If you want milk with your coffee, you need to specify each time to each waiter in each restaurant. There’s no master-file on how each visitor to France takes their coffee. (Although come to think of it, with the famous French bureaucracy and staggering paperwork, perhaps they’d be willing to take that on.)



    Tips


    After dining, you’ll need to ask for the check when you want it, called ‘l’addition’—it’s considered very impolite to give a guest the check before they’ve asked for it.

    Tips are always included in the amount shown on the check. In Paris, it’s fine to round-up in smaller restaurants, such as if the check is 19€, it’s okay to leave 1€ extra if you get very good service, but never required. In general, it’s acceptable to leave up to 5% extra for very attentive service. But some Parisians get upset that Americans leave generous tips, rightfully fearing it will lead to future earnings expectations.


    Relax!

    If I could tell visitors to Paris one thing that’ll improve their dining experience, it’s to chill out. Yes, you might get some odd sausage instead of the soup you were expecting, or the steak may be cooked a bit more than you’re used to. (And the tables will to too close together, the service may be pokey, and you’ll have to ask at least twice for water.) But dining in France is not meant to be rushed and you don’t travel to experience things to be like back home, do you?

    So take advantage of the leisurely service, inexpensive wine, and multiple courses and relax and enjoy yourself.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭garbanzo


    Ponster wrote: »
    months too late but.....


    I'm not capable of putting it better than this guy. Scroll down to Dining Tips in Paris.



    Water and Wine

    It’s never required that you order a pricey bottle of water. Be like the French and ask for a carafe d’eau. If you want to order a bottle of water, ask for gazeuse (with gas) or plat (flat, without gas). Be sure to specify when you order. Would you go into a restaurant in the United States and tell a waiter “I’ll have a soda”?

    Ice is rarely given, although if you’re lucky, you may get a cube. Asking for a lot of ice will generally means an extra cube.

    Drinking wine by the carafe is normally good and inexpensive in Paris. Unlike in the US, the wine in the carafe is usually of good quality, which is why many French people order carafes. When in doubt, ordering Côte du Rhône is reliably good red wine.


    Ordering

    If you order two appetizers, or a bowl of soup for a main course, the waiter may be taken aback. Don’t take it as an insult; it’s just not done in restaurants (it’s something you could do in a café without raising eyebrows). Proper dining in France is taken seriously, but if you’d rather eat lightly, just explain to the waiter you’ve had so many delicious pastries that day, you need something lighter. That, my friends, they’ll understand.
    Meat

    Ordering meat rare, or bleu means that you like raw meat, hardly cooked, which is how many French people eat beef. Saignante is close to medium-rare. A point (to the point) is medium, and bien cuit or semelle (shoe leather) is well-done—or as we say in the restaurant business, “at your own risk”. If you like your steak well-done, due to the high quality of the beef, a restaurant that specializes in beef may not allow you to order it that was so don’t be surprised.



    Waiters


    Don’t assume your waiter is rude just because he doesn’t introduce himself by name and tell you his life story and rush over to refill your water after each sip. Unlike American restaurants with large staffs, restaurants in Paris often only have one or two people serving an entire dining room with no busboys. They are really busy! And when they have to deal with English speakers or people figuring out menus, that slows down their entire process. Don’t think they’re necessarily impolite. Realize that dining in France is important so relax and enjoy your meal.

    You are also considered a guest in France when you go to a restaurant, not just a customer. So you should act like you’re in someone’s home, and being demanding or bossy won’t get you very far. If you have a special request, asking nicely and apologizing is your best bet. It’s not being obsequious, it’s normal. Special requests and food allergies seem to be rare in France and they’re simply not used to adjusting menus for special dietary preferences.


    Impoliteness


    There is a perception the French are rude which is probably because you never come across anyone rude in America. In Paris, it’s imperative to say ‘Bonjour Madame/Monsieur’ when entering a shop or restaurant, and ‘Merci Madame/Monsieur’ when leaving. There is an equally incorrect perception that Americans are impolite since they don’t acknowledge the salesclerks in their shops, which is like being invited into someone’s home and stepping inside without saying hello.


    Bread and Butter


    Only in fine dining rooms will you be given a bread plate. Normally you place your bread on the tabletop, not on your plate. Butter is rarely served with bread, but it’s usually okay to ask for it. This may answer your question, “How do the French stay so thin?”
    Ordering Mistakes

    Once you place your order in a restaurant, I advise not making any changes, which disrupts the flow of things. For some reason, once that ticket is submitted to the kitchen, you’re pretty much committed to what you’ve ordered.

    At least once, you will order some unimaginable organ by mistake. When it happens to me I think of it as an instant French lesson. You will also probably get served a steak that’s not cooked exactly the way you expect it, fish will be served with the head on and bones in (taking them out before cooking dries the fish out, they rightly say), and other foibles. If something is obviously wrong, like your ordered a rare steak in a nice restaurant and it comes out gray inside, or the soup or cheese is ice-cold, you should bring it to the attention of the waiter. In lower-priced restaurants and cafés, you should keep your expectations equally modest, though.


    Talking vs. Shouting


    Americans talk LOUDLY. If you don’t believe it, watch cable television “news” for a few minutes. It’s gotten so that restaurant reviews in the United States now include ‘sound’ ratings to denote the volume in restaurants. Many of us are used to speaking loudly, especially when we get into groups. If you’ve ever tried to have a peaceful dinner next to a table celebrating their annual office party, you know what I’m talking about. In Paris, people will modulate their voices so as not to disturb other diners; keeping your voice down will endear you to the locals much better.


    Coffee

    Except during the morning hours, each time you order café, you will be served a small cup of dark, espresso-like coffee. If you want coffee with milk, when ordering ask for a café crème, not after they bring it. You may get a funny look if you ask for a café au lait, which is coffee with milk served in a bowl, always at home, for breakfast. Café noisette is an espresso with a touch of milk.

    No one will automatically bring milk with coffee. If you don’t understand why, assume it’s the same reason that McDonald’s in the United States don’t serve red wine. If you want milk with your coffee, you need to specify each time to each waiter in each restaurant. There’s no master-file on how each visitor to France takes their coffee. (Although come to think of it, with the famous French bureaucracy and staggering paperwork, perhaps they’d be willing to take that on.)


    Tips


    After dining, you’ll need to ask for the check when you want it, called ‘l’addition’—it’s considered very impolite to give a guest the check before they’ve asked for it.

    Tips are always included in the amount shown on the check. In Paris, it’s fine to round-up in smaller restaurants, such as if the check is 19€, it’s okay to leave 1€ extra if you get very good service, but never required. In general, it’s acceptable to leave up to 5% extra for very attentive service. But some Parisians get upset that Americans leave generous tips, rightfully fearing it will lead to future earnings expectations.


    Relax!

    If I could tell visitors to Paris one thing that’ll improve their dining experience, it’s to chill out. Yes, you might get some odd sausage instead of the soup you were expecting, or the steak may be cooked a bit more than you’re used to. (And the tables will to too close together, the service may be pokey, and you’ll have to ask at least twice for water.) But dining in France is not meant to be rushed and you don’t travel to experience things to be like back home, do you?

    So take advantage of the leisurely service, inexpensive wine, and multiple courses and relax and enjoy yourself.


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    Good post Ponster. Spot on advice. If you haven't read "French or Foe" by Polly Platt - I sense you may have - do get it; as it sets out the french way, customs etc. in a clear and easy to understand manner. Once you accept that the French are superior to you . . . they will then treat you as an equal !

    Seriously though, I've been a frequent visitor to Paris over the years and I've rarely come across the much fabled rudeness. Was down in Carcasssonne in the south last Thursday (great castle . . . you gotta see it) and likewise warm people.

    Bon courage !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭Affable


    Some personal favs- Stalingrad. Jardin Des Plantes, Jardin Des Luxembourg Sorbonnes area, Arc De Triumph. Latin Quarter.
    But there's so much of it. It's just awesome, 10x>London IMVHO.
    Avoid the banlieues full of arab youths. outskirts. It's Less like London in that the worst areas tend to be way outside and the middle is better.
    The Seine is worth taking one of those boats on, and round notre dame is great. You'll love it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭SilverSparkle


    Wrong thread


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