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West West(side) Y'all...

  • 12-01-2009 3:49pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭


    Alright, so I know I originally planned to do this:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055446718&highlight=stripping+basics

    But I just can't get my head around the concept and instead have decided to take the safe option and follow the Westside For skinny B*stards Part III programme for the next five weeks or so.

    http://www.defrancostraining.com/articles.html

    Done very little over Christmas so today was my first day back properly in about three weeks.

    It went like so...

    Monday (Max Effort Upr Body):
    Bench Press:
    Empty Bar x 10
    50kg x 5
    70kg x 5
    90kg x 3
    100kg x 3
    105kg x 3
    110kg x 2 (failed on last rep)

    DB flat bench presses
    20kg x 20 (twice)

    Superset:
    BB Rows x 12 superset with seated DB cleans (2x10kg) x 10 (Four Sets)

    DB Shrugs:
    Two 40kg DB x 15 (Four sets)

    Zottman Curls
    15kg (each hand) x 10
    12.5 x 10
    10kg x 10

    Not a bad first day, was happy with the bench as I don't seem to have lost too much, if any, over the Xmas break. Zottman's at the end were poor though, I would not usually be that fatigued at the end of this set. Although I kind of question the value of that particular exercise and might just swap in regular BB curls next week.

    ******

    This is the second time I've done Westside, the first was a year ago and the results were astounding. It was probably the first proper programme I'd ever followed so you always expects serious results.

    I'd appreciate input from anyone about my programme. If there's anything standing out as a mistake in how I go about doing it, please feel free!

    *******

    I've also considered dropping the Tuesday (Dynamic Effort Lwr Body) from the programme. Three days in the gym a week is enough for me. Obviously this will curtail the possible results I can achieve but I wonder just how much?? I could add some of the Tuesday stuff to other days... any ideas??


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭oq4v3ht0u76kf2


    Christ, that's definitely a huge leap from the simple, simple programme you were going to follow (and I am following)... took a fair ould while to plan out a week's training using all of the pick one of these, superset these two, do five of these, rub your tummy, make a chicken noise, etc. ;)

    Still, best of luck mate and it'll be interesting to see where we both are in a couple of months!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    Christ, that's definitely a huge leap from the simple, simple programme you were going to follow (and I am following)... took a fair ould while to plan out a week's training using all of the pick one of these, superset these two, do five of these, rub your tummy, make a chicken noise, etc. ;)

    Still, best of luck mate and it'll be interesting to see where we both are in a couple of months!

    :D:D

    Tell me about it... How are you gettin on with the other one? I'm going to do this for six full weeks then take it easy for a fortnight maybe... Might give that other programme a belt after that...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Best of luck with it. I did Westside for the 6 months up to Xmas and loved it, great gains too. If I was to drop a day it would be the upper DE day rather than the lower, and I'd probably make the lower day an RE day too. I never got anything from the speed days. When you're starting out bar speed isn't really what's holding you back and that's really all DE days are about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    kevpants wrote: »
    Best of luck with it. I did Westside for the 6 months up to Xmas and loved it, great gains too. If I was to drop a day it would be the upper DE day rather than the lower, and I'd probably make the lower day an RE day too. I never got anything from the speed days. When you're starting out bar speed isn't really what's holding you back and that's really all DE days are about.

    Aww, but I really like the Upper DE Day! :D

    Thanks for the input Kev


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    Hang on - there is no DE Upper Day on WFSB III?? :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    WHIP IT! wrote: »
    Hang on - there is no DE Upper Day on WFSB III?? :confused:

    Bwaahahha

    Sorry I'm not really familiar with how DeFranco does it. He's just messed around with the original Westside idea and most people who train it do the same. I incorporated 20 rep squat sessions into it at one stage. I could be the next DeFranco with that one!

    Does he give any reason why he thinks a DE Lower day is necessary for "skinny bastards"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    kevpants wrote: »
    Bwaahahha

    Sorry I'm not really familiar with how DeFranco does it. He's just messed around with the original Westside idea and most people who train it do the same. I incorporated 20 rep squat sessions into it at one stage. I could be the next DeFranco with that one!

    Does he give any reason why he thinks a DE Lower day is necessary for "skinny bastards"?

    Uummm, I think so but I never really read it all that thoroughly! I'm a bit like a sheep when it comes to this stuff, I just follow what the big strong dude tells me via his website! :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Yeah just feel your way through it and see how it works for you. Westside is very customizable, there are tonnes of ways to do it, I'm sure this one will produce the goods.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    kevpants wrote: »
    Yeah just feel your way through it and see how it works for you. Westside is very customizable, there are tonnes of ways to do it, I'm sure this one will produce the goods.

    Thanks, I'm planning to log every session here so any pointers please don't hesitate - that goes for everyone else too!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    TUESDAY (Day 2 - Dynamic Effort Lwr Body):

    Warmed Up with five mins of skipping and plenty of stretching as hadn't done any leg work in a while.

    Box Jumps:
    5 sets of 5

    Bulgarian Split Squats:
    7.5kg DB in each hand, 10 reps each leg (Three Sets).

    Deadlifts:
    60kg x 12
    70kg x 12
    80kg x 12

    Leg Raises:
    Three sets of 15

    Had a good stretch to warm down.

    *****

    Session felt fine, it's hard enough on the ol legs when you've been neglecting leg work for a while. The Deadlift is really something I want to get my teeth into as I've never really attacked it in any serious way although I like doing it.

    This is the session I'm thinking about dropping - I'm playing astro tonight for an hour from 8-9pm and I've a feeling I'll be walking like the Duke John Wayne afterward... If I dropped this session maybe I could add the Deadlifting to Max Effort Lwr Body day for the time being??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    WHIP IT! wrote: »
    This is the session I'm thinking about dropping - I'm playing astro tonight for an hour from 8-9pm and I've a feeling I'll be walking like the Duke John Wayne afterward... If I dropped this session maybe I could add the Deadlifting to Max Effort Lwr Body day (Friday) for the time being??

    Scratch that - there's already similiar on the Friday programme...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Is deadlifting for reps a feature of DeFrancos way of doing things? If you're just doing them cos you want to get into them then props for your enthusiasm but I think you may end up taking too much out of yourself and not getting all you can out of it. DEFINITELY don't add them in as an asistance exercise after your heavy squats. You could do Romanian Deadlifts for your hams but full deadlifts would be too much.

    Deadlifting wouldn't normally be used as an assistance exercise. In fact a lot of powerlifters on Westside NEVER deadlift at all. They believe it just takes too much out of you and you're better off doing exercises that will bring the deadlift up (Good mornings, pullthru's etc)

    The most common way to use it is as a Max Effort exercise only. I only ever deadlifted as a Max Effort lift for 3 weeks at a time every second 3 weeks and it went from 160 to 230 so there's something to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    kevpants wrote: »
    Is deadlifting for reps a feature of DeFrancos way of doing things? If you're just doing them cos you want to get into them then props for your enthusiasm but I think you may end up taking too much out of yourself and not getting all you can out of it. DEFINITELY don't add them in as an asistance exercise after your heavy squats. You could do Romanian Deadlifts for your hams but full deadlifts would be too much.

    Deadlifting wouldn't normally be used as an assistance exercise. In fact a lot of powerlifters on Westside NEVER deadlift at all. They believe it just takes too much out of you and you're better off doing exercises that will bring the deadlift up (Good mornings, pullthru's etc)

    The most common way to use it is as a Max Effort exercise only. I only ever deadlifted as a Max Effort lift for 3 weeks at a time every second 3 weeks and it went from 160 to 230 so there's something to it.

    Thanks a lot Kev... what are the differences between DL and Romanian DLs? I think it is actually the Romanian DL that Defranco specifies in this particular session now that you mention it.

    EDIT: Damn, yeah, it should've been Romanian DLs...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    So played an hour astro and am feeling it now. Legs are jaded. Rest day tomorrow so will eat well and maybe get a swim and/or sauna in.

    Next up is the Repetition Upr Body day on Thursday. I like this session if I remember rightly from last year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    WHIP IT! wrote: »
    Thanks a lot Kev... what are the differences between DL and Romanian DLs? I think it is actually the Romanian DL that Defranco specifies in this particular session now that you mention it.

    EDIT: Damn, yeah, it should've been Romanian DLs...

    RDLs are mainly a hamstring exercise, see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnBREGM7pE0&feature=related

    There may be some disagreement as to how low the bar should go, but basically you should feel a stretch in your hamstrings and the lower back should not be involved. Hope that is agreeable with all, RDLs were never a good lift for me for some reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    RDLs are mainly a hamstring exercise, see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnBREGM7pE0&feature=related

    There may be some disagreement as to how low the bar should go, but basically you should feel a stretch in your hamstrings and the lower back should not be involved. Hope that is agreeable with all, RDLs were never a good lift for me for some reason.

    Spot on. Don't let the bar touch the ground. They take a bit of practice before you feel it in the right place, the hamstrings as Brian said. A good tip Hanley gave me is to concentrate on pushing your ass back as far as possible on the way down. This seems to concentrate them on the hamstrings rather than your lower back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    That's great Fellas, thanks alot.

    Bit stiff today but no more than expected. Gonna hit the pool, jacuzzi and sauna for a little while before work and eat like f*ck all day! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    THURSDAY (Day 3, Week 1, Repetition Upr Body)

    Flat Bench DB Press:
    20kg each hand x 15 (Three Sets)

    Superset 1:
    Chin-ups (x8) with Rear Delt Flys (15kg db for first set, 10kg thereafter) - Four Sets

    DB Military Press:
    15kg each hand x 12 (Four Sets)

    Superset 2:
    DB Shrugs, 37.5kg each hand (x15) with BB Curls, 20kg+eazicurl bar x 12 (Three Sets)

    *******

    Not a bad session, although I thought I remembered it being more fun last year! It's not supposed to wreck ya and it didn't. Although I found the Rear Delt Flys difficult. Have never done them before and thought I would be more able for them than I was.

    *******

    Squat Day tomorrow - So a weekend of walking funny awaits! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    Had a miserable morning and ended up late to the gym so couldn't get the full Friday session done before work.

    Here's what went down anyhoo...

    BB SQUAT:
    10 x bodyweight after warming up.
    Empty Bar x 10
    60kg x 5
    80kg x 5
    100 kg x 5
    110kg x 3
    120kg x 3
    125kg x 2 (failed on last rep - God bless safety bars!)

    WALKING LUNGES
    Three Sets, 14 lunges (seven each side)... hard on the hammers!!

    Stretch, shave, shower and outta there!

    *******

    Squat was pretty much where I expected it to be at after neglecting if for quite a while although was disappointed not to complete the last set.

    That's week 1 out of the way and I can see right in front of my eyes how lazy I had gotten in the past 6 months or so - the figures don't lie!

    Lot's of work to do...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    WEEK 2

    MONDAY (Max Effort Upr Body)


    Bench Press:
    Empty Bar x 10
    50kg x 5
    70kg x 5
    90kg x 5
    100kg x 3
    110kg x 3

    Barbell Push-Ups:
    Two sets of 25 - these were supposed to be sets of 20 with a weighted vest but apparently some sod's nicked the weighted vest from the gym!

    Superset:
    BB Rows (6ft bar plus 25kg) with Scarecrows (7.5kg DB each hand) - Four sets, 10 reps each

    Barbell Shrugs:
    60kg plus 6ft BB. Four sets (two behind back, two in front) of 15reps

    BB Curls:
    Eazi-curl bar plus 20kg. Two sets of 15 reps, one of 12 and one (very tired) set of 10.

    **********

    I felt good throughout this workout and my bench felt strong. The numbers aren't much different from this day last week, granted, but I felt much better throughout each rep.

    I had planned to do chest-supported rows in the superset but the station was in use so I just done BB Rows - which I find very effective anyway - instead. The Scarecrows were a new experience but I can see why they're a good exercise although I felt my form was probably a little loose on them.

    I usually do shrugs with DBs rather than a BB and I think I'll go back to the DB, they feel a lot more effective.

    *********
    Conclusion - a good start to week two, felt strong today.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    Tuesday (Week 2, Dynamic Effort Lwr Body):

    Box Jumps - 5x5

    Bulgarian Splits - 7.5kg DB each hand, Three sets of 10

    Romanian Deadlifts - 40kg of plates on 6ft bar. Three sets of 12

    Russian BB Twists - 4 Sets of 15

    *********

    Not a bad session - not sure about the Russian Twists thingys though, just seemed to end up with knackered arms tbh!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    THURSDAY (Week Two, Repetition Upr Body):

    Inclined DB Press:
    17.5kg each hand, Four sets of 15

    Superset 1:
    Chins (x8) with DB Powercleans, 10kg DBs (x10)

    DB Lateral Raises:
    Four sets of 10, 8kg DBs for first 3 sets and 5kg for last set - TOUGH!

    Superset 2:
    DB Shrugs (40kg DBs) x 15 with Tricept Pushdowns (x15

    Plate Pinch:
    Two 10kg plates, held for as long as possible - twice each hand.

    *******

    This session beat me up a lot more than the Thrusday session the week before. Felt good after it though so hopefully Squat day tomorrow goes better than last week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    Had a match Friday so postponed Squat Day until today...

    Squat:
    10 x bodyweight
    10 x Empty Bar
    5 x 60kg
    5 x 80kg
    5 x 90kg
    5 x 100kg
    3 x 110kg
    3 x 120kg
    2 x 130kg

    WALKING LUNGES:
    Three sets of 12 (six each side)

    ROMANIAN DEADLIFTS:
    Four Sets of 12, 40kg plates on 6ft Oly Bar

    ******

    Disappointed with my Squat. Not necessarily the numbers, but it just didn't feel strong today. I went to the gym early (for me) at 10am with no breakfast and I must say I felt weak. I was actually surprised I got the Squat up to 130kg because I was struggling at 100 to an extent.

    I didn't even attempt a third rep at 130kg as I just knew it wasn't there.

    *****

    This should've been the Friday session of Week Two (last week) so I'll condense the programme a little bit this week to get back in the pattern.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    So much for condensing the programme! Week Three had to be delayed by a week, owing to a couple of football matchs and training not to mention the fact I managed to hurt my back playing golf...

    Right, enough excuses... here's how Week 3 kicked off

    Week 3, Day 1 Max Effort Upper Body

    Bench Press:
    Empty Bar x 10
    50kg x 5
    70kg x 5
    80kg x 5
    90kg x 5
    100kg 3
    110kg x 3

    DB Press:
    2x25kg DBs x 20 - Two Sets

    Superset:
    Chest Supported Rows (40kg weights) with 'Scarecrows' (two x 7.5kg DBs)
    Four sets: 12reps each for first set and 10 thereafter

    DB Shrugs:
    Two 40kg DBs, Four sets of 15

    BB Curls:
    20kg weight on the Eazi-curl bar. Four sets of Ten.

    *****************

    I was very happy with this session. After almost a full week off from the gym I was bouncing off the walls and raring to go.

    That is my thrird Bench Pressing session (going to 3RM) and I'm disappointed overall that the numbers have not gone up the way I woudl have hoped. But today was definitely far better than the previous two weeks.

    I felt really strong and every Rep felt really well executed. I possibly could have went to 115kg (def 112.5kg) and done 1/2 reps but was happy enough with how it went and with no spotter, I moved on.

    Again, very happy to get two sets of 20 on the DBs as I was quite fatigued from the Bench. One thing I need to improve is my form on the Shrugs. I think I'll drop the weight down next week and just try to do them better.

    All in All - good session. Felt very strong throughout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    Lower Body Max Effort Day (Squat Day!):

    Barbell Squat:
    20 x bodyweight
    60kg x 5
    80kg x 5
    90kg x 5
    100kg x 5
    110kg x 3
    120kg x 3
    125kg x 3
    130kg x 3
    135kg x 1

    Walking Lunges:
    Four sets of 12 (six each leg)

    Romanian Deadlifts:
    50kg weights on 6ft Oly Bar - Four sets of 12.

    *****
    Very happy with my Squat. It's actually a PR I think. Almost sure I didn't get up to that weight last year. I was wobbly on 135kg, so didn't go for a second rep - it may possibly have been there but I didn't go for it.

    Man, those Walking Lunges are a killer on the hammys!

    Good session, happy with everything. Happy it aint snowing anymore, too!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭the drifter


    good lifting dude...walking lunges...man i hate walking lunges..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    good lifting dude...walking lunges...man i hate walking lunges..

    Thanks Fella - was gonna start deadlifting instead of Squatting next week (which should be this week but for snow, football and one or two other lame excuses!!) but think I'll givie it one more week of Squatting and try get to 135kgx3 - I'd be happy with that for now, then work on the DL for a few weeks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭the drifter


    is there a reason your not doing them both in the same week??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    is there a reason your not doing them both in the same week??

    Yeah, for now I'm following Defranco's Westside for Skinny B*tards III, it calls for either Squats or DLs on the Max Effort Lower Body day... Kevpants suggested earlier that sticking with one for a few weeks then switching to the other might be a good way to get a good run at both of them... I agree - so hoping to give the DLing a good rattle for 5/6 weeks now.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭the drifter


    mmm intresting approach..mate of mine was over with defranco last summer for 8 weeks...ill be keeping an eye to see how the one or the other approach goes for you! it certainly should speed up recovery all right as its another heavy lift that wont be affecting recovery


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    mmm intresting approach..mate of mine was over with defranco last summer for 8 weeks...ill be keeping an eye to see how the one or the other approach goes for you! it certainly should speed up recovery all right as its another heavy lift that wont be affecting recovery

    Well my kind of longish term goal is to work all three major lifts up to as high a level as I can in the next 3, 4, 5 months or so... Then drop down a more basic programme that involves three days a week - one of just Benching, one just Squats, and one just DL and see how what effect this has...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    mmm intresting approach..mate of mine was over with defranco last summer for 8 weeks...ill be keeping an eye to see how the one or the other approach goes for you! it certainly should speed up recovery all right as its another heavy lift that wont be affecting recovery

    Tis just the basic Westside approach.

    If you were to go for singles at your absolute max in squat then do it in deadlifts a few days later after a few weeks you'd be fried and start getting weaker/injured. You're firing alot of the same muscles with them.

    Plus I found 3 weeks of ME squatting added about 5 or 10 kg to my deadlift and vice versa when Westside was in full swing for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    kevpants wrote: »
    Tis just the basic Westside approach.

    If you were to go for singles at your absolute max in squat then do it in deadlifts a few days later after a few weeks you'd be fried and start getting weaker/injured. You're firing alot of the same muscles with them.

    Plus I found 3 weeks of ME squatting added about 5 or 10 kg to my deadlift and vice versa when Westside was in full swing for me.

    I'm quietly kinda hoping the same, myself!

    All input appreciated lads. I'm learning as I go, here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    Had to crawl to a physio today - hurt my back and neck... playing golf :o

    Can't believe it. It was sore last week so I laid off the weights but played two football matches and trained during the week and was fine...

    Then yesterday hit a few glf balls and when I woke up this morning - agony :(

    Hopefully be fine in a couple of days, I'm ear-marking Friday morning for my next gym session.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    WHIP IT! wrote: »
    Had to crawl to a physio today - hurt my back and neck... playing golf :o

    Can't believe it. It was sore last week so I laid off the weights but played two football matches and trained during the week and was fine...

    Then yesterday hit a few glf balls and when I woke up this morning - agony :(

    Hopefully be fine in a couple of days, I'm ear-marking Friday morning for my next gym session.

    ^^^^^
    Well, well, wellllll... would ye listen to him, the big Jessie with his sore back... I can't believe it's almost two years since I abandoned this thread - and in the process abandoned any serious training (bar the odd fitfull fortnight here & there) I was doing...

    Right, this is me trying to get back into it... Have done three fairly decent weeks now, again following the WS4SB III programme and am once again enjoying the whole process.

    Here's what this week looked like

    WEEK THREE

    MONDAY
    Bench Press

    Empty Bar x 10
    60kg x 5
    80kg x 5
    90kg x 5
    100kg x 3
    105kg x 3
    107.5kg x 2 (bottled the third rep, it may have been there)

    DB Bench Press
    22.5kg (each hand) x 20 - twice

    Superset
    BB rows (25kg + curl bar) x 12
    with
    Seated DB Cleans (7.5kg each hand) x 12

    DB Shrugs
    30kg each hand x 15 (four sets)

    DB Curls
    12.5kg (each hand) x 15 (four sets)

    Press-ups
    25 on Dumb bells (to save the oul wrists!)

    TUESDAY
    BB Squat

    Empty bar x 10
    60kg x 5
    80kg x 5
    100kg x 3
    115kg x 3
    125kg x 3
    135kg x 3
    140kg x 3 ( *PB* I think, although I seem to have a vague recolection of having 140 on the bar at some stage in my old gym??)

    Walking Lunges
    Three sets of 14

    Stiff-leg DL
    60kg x 12 (3 sets)

    Ab Circuit x 3

    WEDNESDAY (today)
    DB Press

    25kg x 15 (four sets)

    Superset
    Chins (x8) with Seated DB cleans (x12) - four supersets

    DB Military Press
    15kg (each hand) x 15 - four sets

    Superset
    Shrugs (30kg each hand) x 15
    with
    Seated DB curls (15kg each hand by 10 - first two sets and 12.5kg each hand x 10 for last two sets) - Four Sets altogther.

    Press Ups x 30 on DBs.

    **************

    This is my week programme condensed into three days this week as I'm off galavanting for the New Year. Week Four will start either this Sunday or next Monday. It will most likely be a four-day week going forward.

    As with my other (abandoned) Log, all input, criticism and banter is greatly appreciated and encouraged.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭d'Oracle


    Welcome back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    d'Oracle wrote: »
    Welcome back.

    Thanks d', although it was alot of fun being gone! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    WEEK 4

    MONDAY
    Bench Press

    Empty Bar x 10
    60kg x 5
    80kg x 5
    95kg x 3
    102.5kg x 3
    107.5kg x 3
    110kg x 2 (third rep was there, I'm sure it was - bottled it.. again!)

    DB Bench Press
    22.5kg each hand x 20 - twice

    Superset
    BB Rows (25kg on EZ Curl Bar) x 12
    with
    Seated DB Cleans (7.5kg each hand) x 12
    Four Sets

    DB Shrugs
    30kg each hand - Four sets of 15

    DB Curls
    12.5kg each hand - four sets of 12-15

    Press Ups
    One set of 30

    ****************

    Delighted with the Bench today. For the first workout of the year - and bearing in mine I've spent much of the last two days praying to God for the sweet release of death after a particularly manic New Year's eve etc - I was over the moon with how strong I was.

    Dreaded going to the gym today but 110kg is the heaviest I've had on the bar for a long while now so it looks like things are moving in the right direction. 107.5kg went easily - it was supposed to be my last set and I was just "hoping" to get it but I was within myself through all three reps so I decided to throw 110 on.

    I pretty much never use a spotter, which is much why I didn't risk the third rep on 110 - but I honestly feel there was a better than even-money chance I could've got it.

    Pretty wrecked now but well worth it of course...


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    WEDNESDAY
    Barbell Squat

    Empty Bar x 10
    60kg x 5
    80kg x 5
    (added belt)
    100kg x 3
    120kg x 3
    130kg x 3
    135kg x 3
    140kg x 3

    Bulgarian Split Squats
    Four Sets of 12 (two sets each leg) with 10kg DBs
    Two sets of 12 (two each leg) with 15kg DBs

    Romanian DLs
    60kg x 12 - Six Sets

    Ab Circuit x 3

    ********************

    A so-so session today. I am condensing a four-day session into three (thanks to some advice from Hanley) so this is kind of two lower body sessions combined to an extent.

    The Squat was disappointing during the middle but was happy with how it finished - the 135 & 140 sets were quite good and 140 went easier than it did last week. I possibly could've went a set at 142.5 but didn't try.

    I think the jump from 100 to 120 was too much, I should've went to 115 at that point. I struggled with 120 like I had 130 the week before. The 130 set was only ok but I got it together for the last two sets which was the main thing.

    The BS-squats are a great exercise, I find. Good way to target either leg too if you feel one is not keeping up with the other.

    Back GAA training tomorrow night then Upper Body day on Friday... On wee roll...


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    Are your top set increases not a little on the small side, 5kg on your squat and 2.5 on your bench. It's going to take a lot out of you doing 135 when 140 is your top set. I'd probably go 125 or 130 then 140, similarly on the bench 5-10kg jumps.

    Just thought I'd say it.


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    Scuba Ste wrote: »
    Are your top set increases not a little on the small side, 5kg on your squat and 2.5 on your bench. It's going to take a lot out of you doing 135 when 140 is your top set. I'd probably go 125 or 130 then 140, similarly on the bench 5-10kg jumps.

    Just thought I'd say it.

    Thanks for that, you could be on to something there. I used to just do too many sets altogether leaving me missing that 5/10% in the tank when I really needed it.

    I also think it has a bit to do with me being so inexperienced at this. As I'm going through the sets, I kinda feel "Well if I can do the 135, maybe 140 is do-able" - I probaby need the reassurance - while if I knew I was jumping 10 or 15kg I wouldn't really have confidence that I had that weight in me. Does that make sense?

    I wasn't going to do 135 at all today as it happens, but because the 120 and 130 were quite poor I revised my final set (which was to be 140) and went for 135. However, after getting my act together and hitting 135 quite easily I then went for 140.

    On the bench, I really don't think I could up my 3RM any more than 2.5kg-5kg at a time, if that. However, my goal for next Monday is 112.5kg, so maybe I'll make my penultimate set 105 and see how I go... Also, on Monday (with it being the first session after NY Eve!) I had hoped to get to 107.5kg x 3 and exceded it, going to 110kg.

    Thanks for the input Scuba Ste - all comment is greatly appreciated...


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    Was GAA training tonight for the first time in nearly a year... agony! Dreading the gym tomorrow, but - No Pain no gain and I can recover all day Saturday!


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    THURSDAY

    DB Bench Press
    25kg DBs x 15 - Four Sets

    Superset
    Chin ups (x8)
    with
    Seated DB Cleans (x10, 10kg DBs)
    Four Sets

    DB Military Press
    15kg DBs x 15 - Four Sets

    Superset
    DB Shrugs, 30kg x 15
    with
    DB Curls, 15kg x 10
    Four Sets

    ****************

    Was on me hands and knees after this and a tough training session last night. Still though, don't feel bad now after an oul banana, some lucozade and a shake.

    Week Four, over and out, won't be GAA training next week cos of work so should have plenty of energy for the gym.


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    WEEK FIVE

    MONDAY
    Bench Press

    Empty Bar x 10
    60kg x 5
    80kg x 5
    (added belt)
    95kg x 3
    105kg x 3
    110kg x 2

    DB Bench Press
    2 x 25kg, 20 reps - Two Sets

    Superset
    BB Rows (30kg + Curl bar) x 12
    with
    Seated DB Cleans (2x10kg DBs) x 10
    Four Sets

    DB Shrugs
    2 x 30kg DBs x 15 - Four Sets

    DB Curls
    2 x 12.5kg DBs x 15 - Four Sets

    Press Ups
    One set of 30 on DBs

    *******************

    I'm pretty disgusted with this session, the BP in particular. The numbers aren't terrible but it was all horrible. Not one set could I say I really executed well. Very disappointing and a bit of a confidence killer. I tried to drop it to just five sets hoping to hit 112.5kg for three reps but I knew from as early as the 80kg set that that wasn't gonna happen.

    The only part of the whole thing I'm happy with was the DB Bench (upped the weights from 22.5kg) and the f*ckin press ups at the end. The rest of it was a struggle. No excuse, didn't have a drop of alcohol all weekend, didnt eat too much crap and slept well last night. Coming off three full days of rest I expected a lot more.

    Just draw a line under it and chalk it up to 'one of those days'...


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    Went for a three-mile run today around a tough circuit with a good steep climb for almost a mile. Trying to make up for missing a bit of the hard work this week cos I can't go GAA training. Will prob leave me a little bit short tomorrow (Squat day) so if I can just maintain what I did last week on Squat day I'll be very happy.


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    WEDNESDAY

    Some Box Jumps to begin

    Barbell Squat
    Empty Bar x 10
    60kg x 5
    80kg x 5
    (added belt)
    100kg x 3
    115kg x 3
    125kg x 3
    135kg x 3
    142.5kg x 3 (*PB*)

    Bulgarian Split Squats
    15kg DBs x 12
    Six sets (three each leg)

    Stiff-leg Deadlifts
    60kg x 12
    Four Sets

    ******************

    Chuffed with this, thought I'd be a little bit short after a tough run yesterday and would have been quite happy to get up to 140kg x 3. But I kind of got stronger as I went through the sets and just kept on going. I think I could've even went for 145 after 135 but sure that's a story for next week.

    This is my fifth week of training, I think after six weeks I'll mix it up a bit and switch to Deadlifts on the Lower Body day and change a few exercises from the Upper Body days.


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    Went GAA training in the end tonight which, when you factor in I walked the feckin dog for nearly hour earlier, makes this possibly my most active day ever! :)

    Don't feel too wrecked though, looking forward to a good night's sleep and might even tackle that hilly run I did on Tuesday again tomorrow.


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    FRIDAY

    DB Bench Press
    27.5kg (each hand) x 15
    Four Sets

    Superset
    Chin-ups (x8)
    with
    Seated DB Cleans (x10)
    Four Sets

    Seated DB Shoulder Press
    15kg DBs each hand
    Four Sets
    x 15
    x 15
    x 12
    (little talk with myself!)
    x 20 (now you're talkin)

    Superset
    DB Shrugs (30kg each hand x 15)
    with
    DB Curls (15kg each hand x 10)
    Three Sets

    Plate Pinch
    Three Sets

    Press-ups
    On DBs - 28 (and a half! :) )

    *******************

    Happy with this. First time I've gone as high as 27.5kg for the DB Press for high reps so was happy to get through them unscathed! I was really done by the end and took it as a sign of how hard I'd worked that I couldn't complete 30 press-ups.

    Week Five in the books so, Week Six will be much the same then gonna mix it up a bit...


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    Went GAA training tonight as well. Good day's work done all round! Will eat plenty and try rest tomorrow, big run on Sunday morning with the GAA team again so will need plenty of energy...


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    Had an Army-style run around the Curragh this morning. Tough stuff but the work I've put in over the past couple of weeks stood to me. This kind of stuff kills me, I find it very difficult, but I feel like I'm slowly establishing a half-decent base of fitness for the coming season.

    Week Six starts tomorrow, on we go...


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