Diesel remap!

rex-x

Can anyone recommend a good place that does remaps on diesel engines somewhere in the south of Ireland. I'm boggle eyed looking at places but I know there are alot of cowboys out there so any recommendations would be appreciated

TommyT

What type of car is it and where are you?

rex-x

In Waterford but i'll travel within 80 miles or so to go to someone good, Its a Peugeot 306 hdi

skibum

Heard great reports about this company: http://www.chippedire.com/

yellow012

This crowd have a good rep http://www.kcsystems.ie/ there in Watergrasshill in Cork.

voxpop

dont forget to factor in the cost of a new clutch (only if you rag it:D)!

SpannerMonkey

i used chippedire and wasnt overly impressed , he messed up the first time and my car wouldnt start had to bring it back , worked fine after that though , i reccommend www.upsolute.ie have used them a few times and always A1 , i used them in sam motors in Ennis Co.Clare but they have a few places around the country and are a worldwide company

vengeance52

Turbochip.net do a good job. About 480euro cash

rex-x

The clutch will be fine up to 150 bhp. 480 euro is robbery! I wanted to get it done by JAC in the UK but I cant get over there for a while! they do it for 200 euro with a dyno proven power that no one here can seem to match unfortunately! I'm leaning towards kc systems though

dodzy

skibum wrote: »

Heard great reports about this company: http://www.chippedire.com/

+1.

Got me 190BHP from 163 on 1.8T Audo quattro. Also took a friends 130 Red TDi A4 from 130 to 180. <Mine cost €350 ( 1.5yrs ago ). Watch the clutch though

rex-x

davy_b wrote: »

i used chippedire and wasnt overly impressed , he messed up the first time and my car wouldnt start had to bring it back , worked fine after that though , i reccommend www.upsolute.ie have used them a few times and always A1 , i used them in sam motors in Ennis Co.Clare but they have a few places around the country and are a worldwide company

I looked at upsolute but their car knowledge is shady, their information box about each car is not correct e.g the say my car is intercooled where as an intercooler was never fitted to the 306 hdi so while it may be trivial it doesnt fill me with confidence

vectra

Have you tried this company?
Chipmaster

Unit 6,
Tramore Commercial Park,
Tramore Road,
Cork City,
Ireland.

Telephone:+353 (0)21 432 3988

FAX: +353 (0)21 432 3120
Mobile: +353 (0)87 2575411

General Information: chipmasteroffice@eircom.net

I hear they do a good job.;)

Bearcat

I have used tunit.co.uk. I chipped a cls and an e220 cdi merc and it was faultless and made a massive differnece. I have the same module for sale if anyones interested.

Have also a tunit in a toyota amazon, makes a huge difference. Once your finished with car just take it out.

A word of warning, flashing ecu's is great but when you send your car into a main dealer, a lot of the lads know the ecu has been flashed and out of spite will reflash your ecu back to the orig spec.

plug and play is the only way and tunit is the best. I have the lot ....might get a job with them after this plug but they are good

dodzy

Bearcat wrote: »

A word of warning, flashing ecu's is great but when you send your car into a main dealer, a lot of the lads know the ecu has been flashed and out of spite will reflash your ecu back to the orig spec.

Incorrect...on both counts.

Harcrid

I have used Chipped IRL before and would have no problem recommending him. He will remap the car back to original at any time if you are not happy with the results.

Honey-ec

Anyone know if the tuning boxes you can buy on ebay are worth a w@nk? My OH is a mechanic and is determined to put one in my 1.9 (105 brake) TDi Passat, but I've heard really mixed reports about them. My own feeling is I'd rather spend a bit more money getting it remapped than waste the money on a tuning box that isn't going to work anyway.

fletch

Honey-ec wrote: »

Anyone know if the tuning boxes you can buy on ebay are worth a w@nk? My OH is a mechanic and is determined to put one in my 1.9 (105 brake) TDi Passat, but I've heard really mixed reports about them. My own feeling is I'd rather spend a bit more money getting it remapped than waste the money on a tuning box that isn't going to work anyway.

You are right and your OH is wrong

dodzy

Honey-ec wrote: »

Anyone know if the tuning boxes you can buy on ebay are worth a w@nk?

Not worth half of one.

I take it you have the B7 variant ( 2005+) ? If so, you'll get a respectable 30BHP increase. Believe me, you'll notice it

Honey-ec

dodzy wrote: »

Not worth half of one.

I take it you have the B7 variant ( 2005+) ? If so, you'll get a respectable 30BHP increase. Believe me, you'll notice it

The very one. Any idea what kind of price I'm looking at?

dodzy

Honey-ec wrote: »

The very one. Any idea what kind of price I'm looking at?

350 yoyos from Chippedire.com

tossy

I can't believe a mechanic recommending an Ebay tuning box,all those ebay boxes contain is a resistor,the box plugs into your fuel temp sender and tricks the ECU into thinking its colder out than it actually is,thus the ECU injects more diesel!!

Chippedire all the way.

Bearcat

dodzy wrote: »

Incorrect...on both counts.

love to see an know all lurking on the boards. a pal of mine had his audi 3.0 tdi re flashed by his dealer when he had it serviced. They just said they re programmed his ecu as part of the audi upgrades and we unaware of his chipped ecu they said with glee.

it happens dodzy, not evey one is as upstanding as one would like to believe, hence i am a believer of the plug and paly units. When they intially came out they were crap but over time have devloped into smooth units. I had a dastech in a TD5 defender and it was awaful, likewise I had a similaR one in a tdi150 and in nearly killed me but the model i mentioned above has been a treasure.

dodzy

Bearcat wrote: »

love to see an know all lurking on the boards.

Know all ? Lurking ? I was merely pointing out that your facts were not correct. You would have us believe that anyone with a modded Audi faces a reflash back to factory default at service time. Not a chance.

Bearcat wrote: »

a pal of mine had his audi 3.0 tdi re flashed by his dealer when he had it serviced. They just said they re programmed his ecu as part of the audi upgrades and we unaware of his chipped ecu they said with glee

never heard of this as part of a " regualr service " that a main dealer provides. Anyway, unlikely for those guys to do an ounce of extra work on any car above what was requested.

Bearcat wrote: »

hence i am a believer of the plug and paly units. When they intially came out they were crap but over time have devloped into smooth units. I had a dastech in a TD5 defender and it was awaful, likewise I had a similaR one in a tdi150 and in nearly killed me but the model i mentioned above has been a treasure.

According to their website, the cheapest unit is £415 sterling. And you have to fit it yourself ! Hardly a cost affective alternative to a remap.

Bearcat

and you have to fit it yourself says mr dodzy......ehh 15 mins max on a merc with their injection system. Toyota longer with the denso injection system is 40mins.

We beg to differ. You say I'm full of crap....far from it as you attempted to cleaver my post.

You basically have said I am a liar. You must know about this Audi as my pal was very upset. You must also own a remap co as you are petrified that plug and plays are an amazing piece of kit. When you do your fancy re-flash of the ecu its there forever unless meddled with again as per previous. With plug and plays you take it out and move on. So your money saving analysis is far fetched.

Henry Ford III

A manufacturers software upgrade is very different to a 3rd party remap though isn't it?

Ferris

Superchips have their Bluefin remapping system which allows you to add or remove the remap whenever you want. Also you can buy it online.

http://www.mybluefin.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32&Itemid=80

SpannerMonkey

avoid tuning box causes fuel wash in engine over long periods of time can wash away lining of engine , works by tricking engine into thinking its still cold . when your engine starts it uses lots of fuel to warm it up and run while cold, tuning box tricks it into thinking it never warms up therefore giving you more power by overfueling , over short period of time they are ok i used to have one if you are going to buy one the best are
www.tuningbox.com
but still reccommend full remap
and still reccommend www.upsolute.ie they are one of the biggest and longest established companys at it and have done over 18000 cars worldeide

Ferris

davy_b wrote: »

avoid tuning box causes fuel wash in engine over long periods of time can wash away lining of engine , works by tricking engine into thinking its still cold . when your engine starts it uses lots of fuel to warm it up and run while cold, tuning box tricks it into thinking it never warms up therefore giving you more power by overfueling , over short period of time they are ok i used to have one if you are going to buy one the best are
www.tuningbox.com
but still reccommend full remap
and still reccommend www.upsolute.ie they are one of the biggest and longest established companys at it and have done over 18000 cars worldeide

I heard that the problem with resistive tuning boxes is the constantly high cylinder temp caused by overfuelling which burnt the tops of the pistons and could contribute to piston failure.

In saying that I ran a golf tdi for 50k with one in it with no probs. That said i'm generally a slow driver.

The power delivery is unrefined too with all the torque arriving in one (big) lump, wheelspin in third was easily available on a wet road.

A remap is defo the better option imo.

dodzy

Bearcat wrote: »

and you have to fit it yourself says mr dodzy......ehh 15 mins max on a merc with their injection system. Toyota longer with the denso injection system is 40mins.

So yes, you do have to fit them yourself

Bearcat wrote: »

We beg to differ. You say I'm full of crap....far from it as you attempted to cleaver my post.

I did not say you're full of crap, just mis-informed. And I did not try to clever your post, I merely dissagreed with it.

Bearcat wrote: »

You basically have said I am a liar.

Nope, I did not.

Bearcat wrote: »

You must know about this Audi as my pal was very upset.

How the hell would I know about your pal's Audi ?

Bearcat wrote: »

You must also own a remap co as you are petrified that plug and plays are an amazing piece of kit.

Incorrect....on both counts.

Bearcat wrote: »

When you do your fancy re-flash of the ecu its there forever unless meddled with again as per previous. With plug and plays you take it out and move on. So your money saving analysis is far fetched.

As stated, I dont do reflashes, fancy or otherwise. But the procedure is easily reversed. Fact.

There was no money saving analysis on my part. I only indicated the price of the unit that you have stated is the be all and end all of performance enhancement options.

On that note, i'll not post further and i'll let this thread resume its intended course ..... as you are like a dog with a bone at this stage.

hurleyjason@hot

rex-x wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a good place that does remaps on diesel engines somewhere in the south of Ireland. I'm boggle eyed looking at places but I know there are alot of cowboys out there so any recommendations would be appreciated

i have a year old astra sri 1.9 cdti,i was googling a few sites over in the uk as i was more interested in a tuning box.i came across a crowd called dtuk.this box has increased my bhp from 150 to 192, tonnes more torque ive had it in now since about 3000k and have never looked back,i have more power and engine is more economical to run.
with remaps unfortunately if your car goes into a dealer for a service you could be in trouble warranty wise if they spot it.alternatively they could also wipe your expensive remap giving you back a standard one.
with the tuning box it is plug and play.its un-tracable once it is unplugged so there are no warranty issues and it is interchangeable between most other diesel models (only the wiring loom needs to be changed to suit each specific car.it tee's into your common rail sensor fooling it into thinking it needs a little more fuel,thus providing more increases,it gets its economy as acceleration and torque are increased leaving you with shorter gear changes and less time with the foot on the throttle getting up to speed.
im currently benefiting from an extra 4.5 mpg with the extra power.

mcwhirter

rex-x wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a good place that does remaps on diesel engines somewhere in the south of Ireland. I'm boggle eyed looking at places but I know there are alot of cowboys out there so any recommendations would be appreciated

Try this.

http://www.tuning-diesels.com/

jamesO

I used this crowd up in Navan they did my car and my work transit all standard remaps no bull top notch www.i-remap.com

jO-)

maidhc

I am a firm believer in

a) Buying a car quick enough for your requirments
b) Leaving your car as the makers intended.


I think any other course of action will ultimately end in tears.

BlackWizard

maidhc wrote: »

I think any other course of action will ultimately end in tears.

You think or you can proove through vast experience?

maidhc

BlackWizard wrote: »

You think or you can proove through vast experience?

Well if a manufacturer spends €xbn developing a new model, why would anyone feel they know more about the capabilities and tolerances of the design?

In fairness there are some situations where marketing has forced some engines be detuned, but this is not universally the case, or even all that widespread from what I can see.

BlackWizard

So you think. And you speculate. And you bull****.

Lovely.

gofaster_s13

Bearcat wrote: »

A word of warning, flashing ecu's is great but when you send your car into a main dealer, a lot of the lads know the ecu has been flashed and out of spite will reflash your ecu back to the orig spec.

This is a regular occurance, the lads arent doing it out of spite though, manufacturers regularly release new ECU firmware to rectify glitches or potential glitches in software and the ECU's are reflashed as part of a service.

maidhc

BlackWizard wrote: »

So you think. And you speculate. And you bull****.

Lovely.

Do you know any better?

All I am saying is manufacturers don't squeeze every last ounce from their engines for reliability reasons, they have to leave a margin of error.. why have injectors running at 90% of capacity when they can be run at 75% and last far longer and the company gets a good name for reliability.

Irish driving conditions are pretty damn tough on cars. Lots of cold starts, lots of accelerating, loads of short trips. I think things should be left alone, and my experiece is things work better when they are.

gofaster_s13

The Irish climate is actually considered the optimum for engine running and compared to scandinavian or african driving, Irish cars lead a very easy life. Manufacturers dont squeeze every last bhp out of an engine for a variety of reasons the leading one being emmisions also the fact that the car if sold in certain countries will have to deal with very poor fuel standards. As a country we have in general very high quality fuel and we also have a climate that is very well suited to tuning of car engines(no extreme tempretures nice damp air etc). Pushing an extra 25/30 bhp out of a diesel engine is not going to affect is longevity in the slightest. What will affect the longevity is the manner in which these remapped/chipped cars are driven but the same style of driving will also adversely affect a standard car to the same degree.

Neilw

maidhc wrote: »

Do you know any better?

All I am saying is manufacturers don't squeeze every last ounce from their engines for reliability reasons, they have to leave a margin of error.. why have injectors running at 90% of capacity when they can be run at 75% and last far longer and the company gets a good name for reliability.

Irish driving conditions are pretty damn tough on cars. Lots of cold starts, lots of accelerating, loads of short trips. I think things should be left alone, and my experiece is things work better when they are.

A remap won't have components running at 90% capacity, there is still a margin of error after a remap if there wasn't why would the mapping company offer an engine warranty on their maps?

From reading your posts over the months you seem to be the type of person who just complains, disagrees and picks holes in anything posted here :rolleyes:

Neilw

gofaster_s13 wrote: »

The Irish climate is actually considered the optimum for engine running and compared to scandinavian or african driving, Irish cars lead a very easy life. Manufacturers dont squeeze every last bhp out of an engine for a variety of reasons the leading one being emmisions also the fact that the car if sold in certain countries will have to deal with very poor fuel standards. As a country we have in general very high quality fuel and we also have a climate that is very well suited to tuning of car engines(no extreme tempretures nice damp air etc). Pushing an extra 25/30 bhp out of a diesel engine is not going to affect is longevity in the slightest. What will affect the longevity is the manner in which these remapped/chipped cars are driven but the same style of driving will also adversely affect a standard car to the same degree.

+1 on that

maidhc

Neilw wrote: »

From reading your posts over the months you seem to be the type of person who just complains, disagrees and picks holes in anything posted here :rolleyes:

Wouldn't it be boring if the world was full of "me too" people!

Seriously, each to their own. I just find it easier to trust the manufacturer than a random guy with a laptop.

I'd like if my focus tdci had more power, but if I want the performance of a 335d, I reckon I'll have to buy one and there is no short circuit.

Neilw

maidhc wrote: »

Wouldn't it be boring if the world was full of "me too" people!

Seriously, each to their own. I just find it easier to trust the manufacturer than a random guy with a laptop.

I'd like if my focus tdci had more power, but if I want the performance of a 335d, I reckon I'll have to buy one and there is no short circuit.

Well your not going to get the performance of a 335d from a focus, have a look at the superchips bluefin for your focus if you want a little more go. I had one on my tdci.

As for random guy with a laptop, I agree there are some dodgy tuners about but there are also some very good who take pride in their work.
There are also the likes of superchips/dms/mtm/brabus who are far from random guys with laptops.

rex-x

maidhc wrote: »

I am a firm believer in

a) Buying a car quick enough for your requirments
b) Leaving your car as the makers intended.


I think any other course of action will ultimately end in tears.

Its a well known fact that when developed the peugeot turbo diesel was faster than the hot petrol model and was de tuned at the factory as this was not acceptable at the time, I want the performance back
also i know lads running 160-170bhp with no problems at all car hits 60 in 6-7 secs and is as it should have been

HDi

My advice is to avoid the plug in boxes. The way they operate is crude in that they intercept real time input data and modify output data. You will certainly gain power and torque, but in a very uncontrolled way.

A custom remap is far superior. This is where the ECU control data itself is altered, sympathetically with the sense data from your car when the map is 'built'.

I have an ageing 406 (2002 year) which was remapped in 2006. HDi 2.2 which now delivers 192bhp and a, frankly silly, 330lbft.

It's quick, very quick. And it's been in remap tune since 54,000 miles. It's now on 121,591 miles. No problems. Still averages over 40mpg and I do drive it prescriptively (ie. quick but cautious).

The shove in higher gears is stunning (30-60, 3rd gear in 4 seconds for example).

My advice, leave the boxes alone, get a remap, keep the servicing up to date and be gentle when the engine's cold, let it idle down before key out after quick driving.

You will definitely notice the change in driveability with a good remap. The whole torque delivery smooths nicely, the pedal response is swifter and the economy will improve unless you drive it at 110% all the time. But you won't need to.

Regards,

Paul.

rex-x

Just said i'd update! my dad bought the diagnostics and mapping software (proper kit) and buying a map from JAC mech in the UK as I wanted, i just didnt trust anyone in this country! heard bad reports about everyone and his maps are well proven with zero complaints

Matt Simis

maidhc wrote: »

Do you know any better?

All I am saying is manufacturers don't squeeze every last ounce from their engines for reliability reasons, they have to leave a margin of error.. why have injectors running at 90% of capacity when they can be run at 75% and last far longer and the company gets a good name for reliability.

Irish driving conditions are pretty damn tough on cars. Lots of cold starts, lots of accelerating, loads of short trips. I think things should be left alone, and my experiece is things work better when they are.

I do!

Every one of my cars have been remapped, sometimes with generic maps others with custom tunes for the specific work. Ive uprated Injectors, Fuel Pumps, installed Water Injection, exhuasts, bigger turbos etc etc.
Ive never had any failure of any part as I change everything that could go wrong with uprated parts, use fuel cleaners, change oil more often, change fuel filters far more frequently than required. I also monitor the car not only from driving, but also quantifiably via VagCom. Its prolly worth mentioning that I only buy big engined performance orientated cars to begin with, its not like Im trying to squeeze life out of something fairly lifeless, but everything can do more and better.

Im not going to repeat the reasons why remapping is a lot easier on an engine that you might imagine, but Ill just point out that a lot of German taxis are remapped for gear smoothness reasons at a large scale commercial level. Then there are of course people who have E5 or E85 remaps on otherwise standard cars, obviously a car manufacturer will not tune a car to a specific regional fuel. This isnt scary far out there stuff, its common practice in countries far more car literate (and less scaremongery) than Ireland. Here in Ireland its common enough for farmers to get Tractors remapped for more Torque and delimited... this is their primary tool and mode of transport, something they are totally reliant on, far more so than the average motoring enthusiast's car (and also a lot more expensive).

Anyone that dismisses remapping as "the manufacturer knows best" doesnt fully understand what a remap is nor the design compromises being made in the auto industry for emissions, country compliance, Worldwide weather tolerance etc.
Also as pointed out, we dont get cold starts in Ireland, our climate has a limited range of temperatures from chilly to luke warm. Norway, Germany, Latvia, US... they have cold starts. :pac:

Bearcat

Paul,

as per previous posts I have said, yes the ecu flash is the best but there are some plug n plays out there that are top class as against the crude inventions we had years ago. I have had tunit's in both mercs with the common rail and now toyota's with the denso fuel injection system and they are spot on, so dont write off plug n plays totally.

Sqaull20

Do you have a dyno readout to prove this?

I had my fabia 130bhp mapped and got it dyno'd last weekend while in Dublin ( went to Mondello as well )and it put out a bit under 160bhp! Mapper claimed it would put out 170-180bhp, not that I believed him.

tossy

Who mapped the Furby? the should see 170 easily.

Sqaull20

Auto-tune.ie did it.

Dyno has it putting around 158-159 bhp at just over 4000rpm and peak torque of 390 at 2500-2600rpm.