Time to kick out the Israeli Ambassador?

Judgement Day

Heard somebody on the radio today (not sure who) calling for the Government to kick out the Israeli Ambassador due to the ongoing situation in Gaza. I had been going through the usual phase of feeling helpless about World affairs since the latest violence errupted and this idea had not even crossed my mind. Why not kick him out? It is the only way a small nation such as Ireland can make its feelings known since protesting through the UN is a joke.

Before anybody gets on about me being anti-semitic, or anti-Israeli, don't bother I am neither. I am pro-Israeli if anything as they are a friend of the West in an unstable region and deserve to have their own state - as do the Palestinians. It is the appalling disproportionate scale of their recent operations against Gaza that I disagree with and the blank cheque given to them by the USA in the matter. I am also pro-American but the unacceptable way these two nations behave in matters relating to Gaza and the Palestinians beggars belief!

Of course the Israeli Ambassador should be called in and told to back his bags without further delay but do you think any of our gutless politicians will do it? It would the first decent thing Biffo has done since taking over from Bertie. What does anybody else think? :mad:

Ostrom

Judgement Day wrote: »

Heard somebody on the radio today (not sure who) calling for the Government to kick out the Israeli Ambassador due to the ongoing situation in Gaza. I had been going through the usual phase of feeling helpless about World affairs since the latest violence errupted and this idea had not even crossed my mind. Why not kick him out? It is the only way a small nation such as Ireland can make its feelings known since protesting through the UN is a joke.

Before anybody gets on about me being anti-semitic, or anti-Israeli, don't bother I am neither. I am pro-Israeli if anything as they are a friend of the West in an unstable region and deserve to have their own state - as do the Palestinians. It is the appalling disproportionate scale of their recent operations against Gaza that I disagree with and the blank cheque given to them by the USA in the matter. I am also pro-American but the unacceptable way these two nations behave in matters relating to Gaza and the Palestinians beggars belief!

Of course the Israeli Ambassador should be called in and told to back his bags without further delay but do you think any of our gutless politicians will do it? It would the first decent thing Biffo has done since taking over from Bertie. What does anybody else think? :mad:

If only things were that simple, and I dont mean that in reference to evicting an ambassador

Mark200

So much for being neutral

ShooterSF

If we kick him out what of our so-called neutrality?

edit: Bet to it. I bet these are the same people that complained about Americans refueling in Shannon being against our Neutrality.

testicle

We should kick out any Palestinian delegation.

Ostrom

ShooterSF wrote: »

If we kick him out what of our so-called neutrality?

edit: Bet to it. I bet these are the same people that complained about Americans refueling in Shannon being against our Neutrality.

Circumstances always fit the argument for the Irish left

Biggins

"Kick out the Israeli Ambassador?"
Aye, thats going to happen. :rolleyes:
*sigh*

Just more soundbites for the populace watching before they turn back to something else!

SoWatchaWant

Why bother kicking out an ambassador, they're doing no harm. If they were killing arabs personally then go ahead.

Berty

We didnt kick out the German ambassador during the "Troubles" in Europe.

Darragh29

You know anything is possible when you see a Jewish nation committing war crimes and making people live in what looks uncannily like a concentration camp.

Gazza22

Venezuela kicked the Israeli Ambassador out but it won't happen here and it shouldn't! Would you call for the U.S Ambassador to be kicked out also?

We should kick out the minister for nettles, teabags and earwigs too...

K-9

Berty wrote: »

We didnt kick out the German ambassador during the "Troubles" in Europe.

Indeed and Dev sent his condolences to the Germans and Japanese.

Pissed off Churchill, so must have been good! :eek:

People don't know what Neutrality means. Check out Switzerland and Conscription.

RATM

Kick him out! I bags his gaff:D

trentf

Berty wrote: »

We didnt kick out the German ambassador during the "Troubles" in Europe.

Ahh i think your mixing up your history there. The troubles referred to the the period in northern ireland 1970's, 80's and early 90's i think you mean
'the emergency' lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)

K-9

Darragh29 wrote: »

You know anything is possible when you see a Jewish nation committing war crimes and making people live in what looks uncannily like a concentration camp.

I agree in a way, still, it seems the obliteration of the Israeli state is the only thing that will keep Hamas happy.

Saibh

Judgement Day wrote: »

Of course the Israeli Ambassador should be called in and told to back his bags without further delay but do you think any of our gutless politicians will do it? It would the first decent thing Biffo has done since taking over from Bertie. What does anybody else think? :mad:

What would be accomplished if Ireland told the Israeli Ambassador to go?

I don't know too much about politics as such, but us as a small country throwing out the Ambassador will not solve the overall problem.

Judgement Day

Kicking out the Ambassador might (Ho, ho, ho..) embarrass other EU countries into doing the same. It is better than doing absolutely nothing. Can't see what it has to do with Neutrality! The trouble with Ireland is it's a great country for talk but when push comes to shove the State buries its head in the sand.

Berty

trentf wrote: »

Ahh i think your mixing up your history there. The troubles referred to the the period in northern ireland 1970's, 80's and early 90's i think you mean
'the emergency' lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)

No I meant the "troubles" by using the word trouble. It was a lot of trouble so was the north and so is the constipation I currently have.

History is made by the winners not by me mixing things up.

lostexpectation

its very politcal thing to do means nothing to ordinary people

Mark200

Judgement Day wrote: »

Kicking out the Ambassador might (Ho, ho, ho..) embarrass other EU countries into doing the same. It is better than doing absolutely nothing. Can't see what it has to do with Neutrality! The trouble with Ireland is it's a great country for talk but when push comes to shove the State buries its head in the sand.

You can't see what it has to do with neutrality?

Do you understand what neutrality is?

ejmaztec

I think that all of the TDs, senators, county councillors, town councilllors and all of their chums, should be kicked out instead.

sillymoo

And I thought Israeli peppers were controversial :rolleyes:

Run_to_da_hills

Berty wrote: »

We didnt kick out the German ambassador during the "Troubles" in Europe.

We only offered our condolences at the death of their leader.

ShooterSF

Judgement Day wrote: »

Kicking out the Ambassador might (Ho, ho, ho..) embarrass other EU countries into doing the same. It is better than doing absolutely nothing. Can't see what it has to do with Neutrality! The trouble with Ireland is it's a great country for talk but when push comes to shove the State buries its head in the sand.

Really? Like seriously? Wow. :eek:
So you don't think we would appear to be taking side in a conflict?

Sometimes I really worry.

Hammiepeters

As you say, Israel has a right to exist as does Gaza. Gaza does not however have the right to shoot rockets at israeli citizens and harbour terrorists, raise suicide bombers, etc. This latest conflict was provoked by Hamas to get a violent response, endanger it's own people and use outrage around the world to advance its own looney agenda. 9/11, 7/7, Bali and other outragous acts of Islaamic fanaticism have wakened a lot of people worldwide to the reality that Israels' enemy is also our enemy and will come our way soon enough. All violence is deplorable as is all war. However you can not have peace just by wishing for it. Israel must be allowed and supported to finish this mission asap. That means that we keep in touch with them at very least. This thread will go downhill very quick. Any bets for the first Northern Ireland comparison, reference to the Haulocaust, Jewish Nazis, et ? Let the games begin.

Biggins

sillymoo wrote: »

And I thought Israeli peppers were controversial :rolleyes:

They're just a hot topic! :pac:

AckwelFoley

Wut? Op, cop on.

Judgement Day

Gazza22 wrote: »

Venezuela kicked the Israeli Ambassador out but it won't happen here and it shouldn't! Would you call for the U.S Ambassador to be kicked out also?

We should kick out the minister for nettles, teabags and earwigs too...

Ireland has too much to lose in picking a fight with the USA - Multi-Nationals, Tourism etc. but that is not to say that the US Ambassador should be called in and told that their unequivocal support for the Israeli action is not acceptable. Almost the entire World save the USA has condemned the attacks on Gaza.

ShooterSF

Hammiepeters wrote: »

As you say, Israel has a right to exist as does Gaza. Gaza does not however have the right to shoot rockets at israeli citizens and harbour terrorists, raise suicide bombers, etc. This latest conflict was provoked by Hamas to get a violent response, endanger it's own people and use outrage around the world to advance its own looney agenda. 9/11, 7/7, Bali and other outragous acts of Islaamic fanaticism have wakened a lot of people worldwide to the reality that Israels' enemy is also our enemy and will come our way soon enough. All violence is deplorable as is all war. However you can not have peace just by wishing for it. Israel must be allowed and supported to finish this mission asap. That means that we keep in touch with them at very least. This thread will go downhill very quick. Any bets for the first Northern Ireland comparison, reference to the Haulocaust, Jewish Nazis, et ? Let the games begin.

We already got that one with the concentration camps they've seemingly set-up in gaza which I missed on the news.

K-9

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

We only commended them at the death of their leader.

And the Emperor too, very equal opportunities he was!

He was a stickler for diplomacy!

You should check out his response to Churchills Victory speech and his snide attack on Ireland.

Even Churchill admitted it was "Devs' finest hour".

You'll never see a better defence of Neutrality!

Hammiepeters

Seanies32 wrote: »

I agree in a way, still, it seems the obliteration of the Israeli state is the only thing that will keep Hamas happy.

that is their stated aim and they recieved popular support in Gazas' election.

ShooterSF

Judgement Day wrote: »

Ireland has too much to lose in picking a fight with the USA - Multi-Nationals, Tourism etc. but that is not to say that the US Ambassador should be called in and told that their unequivocal support for the Israeli action is not acceptable. Almost the entire World save the USA has condemned the attacks on Gaza.

Have Austria condemned them? Sweden? The Swiss? Liechtenstein? Finland?
I only ask as they too are neutral nations so I'd be impressed if they have either. So it's not just The USA. I'm pretty confident there are plenty of other nations that havent either.

K-9

Hammiepeters wrote: »

that is their stated aim and they recieved popular support in Gazas' election.

And?

Does that make it viable or indeed right?

A United Ireland was an aim of the political parties here in the 60's and 70's, without Unionist consent. Times change!

Judgement Day

Mark200 wrote: »

You can't see what it has to do with neutrality?

Do you understand what neutrality is?

One quotation I have found regarding the meaning of Neutrality is as follows:

The state or policy of being neutral, especially nonparticipation in war.


I don't think this means not strongly expressing your views when something is clearly very wrong.



Incidentally, to those of you reading this thread don't bother contributing unless you have something worth saying unless you think the deaths and maiming of hundreds of civilians is a trivial matter. :mad::mad::mad:

Darragh29

Seanies32 wrote: »

I agree in a way, still, it seems the obliteration of the Israeli state is the only thing that will keep Hamas happy.

I'd want to obliterate some c*nt who kicked me off my land and made me live in conditions that you wouldn't see in a dog pound.

Kinetic^

I think we should try get rid of our own government first and then work on international relations.

Hammiepeters

Seanies32 wrote: »

And?

Does that make it viable or indeed right?

absolutely not. Just the usual islaamic fascist nonse.

ShooterSF

Judgement Day wrote: »

One quotation I have found regarding the meaning of Neutrality is as follows:

The state or policy of being neutral, especially nonparticipation in war.


I don't think this means not strongly expressing your views when something is clearly very wrong.



Incidentally, to those of you reading this thread don't bother contributing unless you have something worth saying unless you think the deaths and maiming of hundreds of civilians is a trivial matter. :mad::mad::mad:

Your quote I'm afraid is way off. You can take part in war for example to defend yourself. Neutral means for example when two other people are fighting you stay out of it and don't take sides. You don't express views on it either as that's getting involved.
Anyway what right would our government have to do this as there is no proof that it's the wish of the Irish people. It's certainly not my view.

Kinetic^

Judgement Day wrote: »

Incidentally, to those of you reading this thread don't bother contributing unless you have something worth saying unless you think the deaths and maiming of hundreds of civilians is a trivial matter. :mad::mad::mad:

Incidentally, kindly refrain from telling me wtf to do when you clearly have no right to. Please stfu. Thx.

Mark200

Judgement Day wrote: »

One quotation I have found regarding the meaning of Neutrality is as follows:

The state or policy of being neutral, especially nonparticipation in war.


I don't think this means not strongly expressing your views when something is clearly very wrong.



Incidentally, to those of you reading this thread don't bother contributing unless you have something worth saying unless you think the deaths and maiming of hundreds of civilians is a trivial matter. :mad::mad::mad:

Ok well here:

http://www.google.ie/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enIE291IE303&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=define:neutral

"having no personal preference"

"not supporting or favouring either side in a war"

"one who does not side with any party in a war or dispute"

By kicking out the Israeli ambassador, Ireland would no doubt be taking a side.

K-9

Darragh29 wrote: »

I'd want to obliterate some c*nt who kicked me off my land and made me live in conditions that you wouldn't see in a dog pound.

Indeed. Personally, I look at N. Ireland. Imperfect as it is, there is some agreement on let bygones be bygones.

brianthebard

Hammiepeters wrote: »

As you say, Israel has a right to exist as does Gaza. Gaza does not however have the right to shoot rockets at israeli citizens and harbour terrorists, raise suicide bombers, etc. This latest conflict was provoked by Hamas to get a violent response, endanger it's own people and use outrage around the world to advance its own looney agenda. 9/11, 7/7, Bali and other outragous acts of Islaamic fanaticism have wakened a lot of people worldwide to the reality that Israels' enemy is also our enemy and will come our way soon enough. All violence is deplorable as is all war. However you can not have peace just by wishing for it. Israel must be allowed and supported to finish this mission asap. That means that we keep in touch with them at very least. This thread will go downhill very quick. Any bets for the first Northern Ireland comparison, reference to the Haulocaust, Jewish Nazis, et ? Let the games begin.

Latest conflict was provoked by Israeli settlements being illegally set up in the west bank.

K-9

The way I look at is, regardless of the rights or wrongs, the current situation is the way it is.

Until people accept that, there will be no peaceful settlement. Aims or aspirations will always conflict with the others.

Mark200

ShooterSF wrote: »

Anyway what right would our government have to do this as there is no proof that it's the wish of the Irish people. It's certainly not my view.

0.00025% of our country's population protested about it haha

Hammiepeters

brianthebard wrote: »

Latest conflict was provoked by Israeli settlements being illegally set up in the west bank.

Yawns.

Judgement Day

ShooterSF wrote: »

Have Austria condemned them? Sweden? The Swiss? Liechtenstein? Finland?
I only ask as they too are neutral nations so I'd be impressed if they have either. So it's not just The USA. I'm pretty confident there are plenty of other nations that havent either.

Sweden's Prime Minister called for an immediate ceasefire last Sunday -
http://www.menassat.com/?q=en/news-articles/5611-gaza-protests-increase-eu-countries

The Swiss have been very active since early last year in condemning the 'concentrating' and blockading of the Palestinians in the Gaza enclave.

K-9

Judgement Day wrote: »

Sweden's Prime Minister called for an immediate ceasefire last Sunday -
http://www.menassat.com/?q=en/news-articles/5611-gaza-protests-increase-eu-countries

The Swiss have been very active since early last year in condemning the 'concentrating' and blockading of the Palestinians in the Gaza enclave.

Did Our ould Michael Martin not call for the same.

Or is it different when Sweden does it?

Guy:Incognito

Darragh29 wrote: »

I'd want to obliterate some c*nt who kicked me off my land and made me live in conditions that you wouldn't see in a dog pound.

So why the "kill all the infidels " crap about the rest of us? I dont remember every cristian country getting together and forcing them from anywhere.

Judgement Day

ShooterSF wrote: »

Your quote I'm afraid is way off. You can take part in war for example to defend yourself. Neutral means for example when two other people are fighting you stay out of it and don't take sides. You don't express views on it either as that's getting involved.
Anyway what right would our government have to do this as there is no proof that it's the wish of the Irish people. It's certainly not my view.

And might one ask just how many civilians have to die in Gaza before you show some sparky of humanity?????:mad::mad::mad::mad:

brianthebard

Hammiepeters wrote: »

Yawns.

Wow did you go to debating class?

ShooterSF

Judgement Day wrote: »

Sweden's Prime Minister called for an immediate ceasefire last Sunday -
http://www.menassat.com/?q=en/news-articles/5611-gaza-protests-increase-eu-countries

The Swiss have been very active since early last year in condemning the 'concentrating' and blockading of the Palestinians in the Gaza enclave.

Fair enough. Though the Swedish Prime minister didn't condmn Israel he wants a cease-fire from both sides so the can try and re-open communications. I'd imagine most want that. I have no problem there. He didnt condemn the Israeli attacks though.