M50 upgrade & speed limit: 60 Kmh

foxhill

Hi guys n girls

whats happening at M50(upgrading section).

drivers are driving at the speed in the excess of 100's Kmh,but speed limit is 60 kmh!

There are signs of 60 KMh everywhere. but hardly anyone drives at that speed. If you ever try to drive at 60kmh, defo it ll be intimidating experience.

wondering is there any speed camera there or garda just ignoring it.
obviously, Garda cars also use M50 and seeing whats happening.

any suggestions

thannx

Hogzy

I remember sometime last year i was on the M50 and it was 60kmh near the fixed speed camera (going clockwise) before the red cow... Everyone slowed down for it, it was so weird!

shivkk06

as far as i know these are advisory speed limits, and not actually legal

Hogzy

shivkk06 wrote: »

as far as i know these are advisory speed limits, and not actually legal

So if you were to crash into someone else and were in court you could be found guilty of dangerous Driving?

Ciaran500

shivkk06 wrote: »

as far as i know these are advisory speed limits, and not actually legal

99% sure they're legal speed limits, although the Gardai don't seem to be enforcing them.

Mr. Frost

I think 60kmh on the M50 is ridiculous. There's plenty of scope for at least 75/80kmh.

Hogzy

60kmh is silly unless the lanes are all screwed up and stuff!

berireland

I got 2 points and a fine when a similar situation existed on the
N7 in Rathcoole in July 2006. Beware of the green transit van.

The speed limit was real!!

Mr. Frost

Ciaran500 wrote: »

99% sure they're legal speed limits, although the Gardai don't seem to be enforcing them.

Nah sure they do be bootin' it up the road with everyone else!

ardmacha

drivers are driving at the speed in the excess of 100's Kmh,but speed limit is 60 kmh! [

Hardly an original observation, do we really need yet another thread on this?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055366622

foxhill

I think 80kmh would be fair.
but driving at 60kmh on M50, it feels like you are goin nowhere!!

well... after reading above..it encourages me to join the 'speeding group' as Garda dnt give a damn.

well..i saw grada with speed guns at places, where, there is absolutely no risk.
may be if anyone saw new garda van with speed gun at N7 inbound, just before the McDonald's at Kylemore trafic signal.

60kmh on that huge road is just redicilus!

elexes

is the 60 kph speed limit just for the sections that currently have work ongoing ? if so its very fair. you have to think about the people who are working very close by

Guy:Incognito

elexes wrote: »

is the 60 kph speed limit just for the sections that currently have work ongoing ? if so its very fair. you have to think about the people who are working very close by

Yes, it is.

If you on the section around the Tallaght interchange up to where the road opens to 3 lanes the 2 lanes at the road works are fairly tight and looks tighter again because the crash barriers are straddling the outside lane on the right. When alongside a truck it feels very tight.

kikel

I know it is painfull to drive at the 60kph. But it's all about safety as pointed out already. One day during the works a digger fell into a trench. On doing so, the digger was at an angle and the arm of the digger was leaning out over the barrier into the overtaking lane. Their was a major scramble of consturction worker out trying to warn oncoming traffic of the danger. If an artic had been in the lane it would of struct the digger and easily hit a construction worker.


I know nobody drives at the 60kph, but don't be doing 120kph, because as they say. Accidents do happen.

Martron

kikel wrote: »

I know it is painfull to drive at the 60kph. But it's all about safety as pointed out already. One day during the works a digger fell into a trench. On doing so, the digger was at an angle and the arm of the digger was leaning out over the barrier into the overtaking lane. Their was a major scramble of consturction worker out trying to warn oncoming traffic of the danger. If an artic had been in the lane it would of struct the digger and easily hit a construction worker.


I know nobody drives at the 60kph, but don't be doing 120kph, because as they say. Accidents do happen.

where did that happen?

BlackWizard

foxhill wrote: »

any suggestions

thannx

Go with the flow unless there are not many cars with you. But don't break the old speed limit!

^^ My suggestion I've been points free since the upgrades started. *Touch wood*

Martron

foxhill wrote: »

I think 80kmh would be fair.
but driving at 60kmh on M50, it feels like you are goin nowhere!!

well... after reading above..it encourages me to join the 'speeding group' as Garda dnt give a damn.

well..i saw grada with speed guns at places, where, there is absolutely no risk.
may be if anyone saw new garda van with speed gun at N7 inbound, just before the McDonald's at Kylemore trafic signal.

60kmh on that huge road is just redicilus!

you have to see the bigger picture.... the road at the minute is great most of the north section has new black top and it may seem great that its nice and smooth and all but its essentially an active building site.

60 may seem slow but i think they could turn it up a notch after working hours possibly.80 maybe.

but its all about safety. i dont know the exact figures but those temporary crash barrier are only design for small accidents and that is what is protecting
a) the lads on the site from a car crashing into them
b) you flying into / through the barrier and down a hole or into someone or something thats not meant to be crashed into like a stationary 20 tonne track machine.

Steve

shivkk06 wrote: »

as far as i know these are advisory speed limits, and not actually legal

They're legal limits. Advisory limits are ones with orange backgrounds.

Martron wrote: »

60 may seem slow but i think they could turn it up a notch after working hours possibly.80 maybe.

Good idea in theory but there is nothing in legislation to allow for it. Temporary roadworks speed limits are set by the local council signing an order and once they're set they're set (for whatever time period is on the order).

berireland

Try driving at 60 Kph!! in the section.

Then try driving at 60 MPH (100 kph)!!

At 120 Kph you will still be flashed and beeped and undertaken!!!

A realistic speed limit in these sections I suggest 80 Kph

Or just gives the GARDA the opportunity to plonk a camera and print money.

Seth Brundle

If someone can undertake you when you are doing 120km/h then do please look at your lane choice!

foxhill

berireland wrote: »

Try driving at 60 Kph!! in the section.

Or
just gives the GARDA the opportunity to plonk a camera and print money.

absolutely true!
Govt can generate loadza money out there without any question raised!!

Well .. I think govt is happy atleast traffic flow is going well. otherwise traffic chaos wiill happen because of slow speed. & govt will be accused again by opposition parties doin nothing to prevent traffic chaos at M50!!

Remember! when Bertie made laugh about "A van ran into truck and all trafic blocked"!!!!

Its Ireland!
cheers...

Bandara

elexes wrote: »

is the 60 kph speed limit just for the sections that currently have work ongoing ? if so its very fair. you have to think about the people who are working very close by

they don't work close by at 10 at night but the idiotic limits still appply

metricspaces

Hammertime wrote: »

they don't work close by at 10 at night but the idiotic limits still appply

School children aren't running out of schools at 10 at night, but the limits still apply . I don't think we have speed limits in Ireland that change based on some condition.

guerito

metricspaces wrote: »

School children aren't running out of schools at 10 at night, but the limits still apply . I don't think we have speed limits in Ireland that change based on some condition.

Like in Spain, for example, where there is a different, lower motorway speed limit for wet conditions.

But then again, in Spain they advertise speed traps every 100 metres for 500 metres before the trap itself. So that people slow down, lives are saved, and to hell with swelling the police's coffers.

And we call ourselves an advanced country...

Guy:Incognito

guerito wrote: »

Like in Spain, for example, where there is a different, lower motorway speed limit for wet conditions.

But then again, in Spain they advertise speed traps every 100 metres for 500 metres before the trap itself. So that people slow down, lives are saved, and to hell with swelling the police's coffers.

And we call ourselves an advanced country...

Well arent Spain great. They tell people exactly how long they can keeep barelling along at well over the speed limit so they dont need to obey them until the very last minute.

Whats the point of having a speed limit at all thats not within sight of the speed cameras?

samhail

after reading this thread i actually tried going at like 80kph on that 60kph stretch going home from work last night.
the amount of people that passed me

guerito

Stekelly wrote: »

Well arent Spain great. They tell people exactly how long they can keeep bareeling along at well over the speed limit so they dont need to obey them until the very last minute.

Whats the point of having a speed limit at all thats not within sight of the speed cameras?

Nice attitude. My point was that over there the cameras are placed in known danger points (I think there's another thread on something like this) and are advertised so that people don't go "bareeling" through dangerous bends, killing themselves and/or others. You don't think that's a good idea? Add that to a strong police presence on the motorways in general, and you have a good, cohesive police strategy for the roads. Which Ireland could learn from.

Guy:Incognito

guerito wrote: »

Nice attitude. My point was that over there the cameras are placed in known danger points (I think there's another thread on something like this) and are advertised so that people don't go "bareeling" through dangerous bends, killing themselves and/or others. You don't think that's a good idea? Add that to a strong police presence on the motorways in general, and you have a good, cohesive police strategy for the roads. Which Ireland could learn from.

People are supposed to be aware of theire surroundings and not use excessive and innapropriate speed. It's the ones that do that often end up in ditches on the apex of bends.

I've driven on the smaller roads of Spain and hav'nt come across the speed cameras that people seem to think exist on the continent (on dangerous country roads) because it makes them more dangerous.

guerito

Stekelly wrote: »

People are supposed to be aware of theire surroundings and not use excessive and innapropriate speed. It's the ones that do that often end up in ditches on the apex of bends.

I've driven on the smaller roads of Spain and hav'nt come across the speed cameras that people seem to think exist on the continent (on dangerous country roads) because it makes them more dangerous.

But unfortunately in the real world they do use excessive and inappropriate speed. So the choice is between a police response which actually attempts to make them slow down and pay attention, or one which attempts to profit from people doing so, and often only lets people know they've been caught speeding weeks later, by which time they'll have been scraped off the tree they drove into.

Regarding the smaller roads, in fairness they are far more difficult to police, and I was responding (more or less :rolleyes:) to the OP's point about motorway speed limits.

Blackjack

guerito wrote: »

But unfortunately in the real world they do use excessive and inappropriate speed. So the choice is between a police response which actually attempts to make them slow down and pay attention, or one which attempts to profit from people doing so, and often only lets people know they've been caught speeding weeks later, by which time they'll have been scraped off the tree they drove into.

Regarding the smaller roads, in fairness they are far more difficult to police, and I was responding (more or less :rolleyes:) to the OP's point about motorway speed limits.

Speed limits are speed limits, they should not simply apply to areas where there are Speed Camera's to record infractions.

Martron

samhail wrote: »

after reading this thread i actually tried going at like 80kph on that 60kph stretch going home from work last night.
the amount of people that passed me

its not a race!!

Eric Cartman

i agree with a limit of say 80 during the day, but after the workers are gone its just rediculous, i go through there every night at 100-120km/h and ive never had a problem and i dont see why i should, theres no problems there at night

L1011

metricspaces wrote: »

School children aren't running out of schools at 10 at night, but the limits still apply . I don't think we have speed limits in Ireland that change based on some condition.

We do - 30km/h limits at schools are frequently enforced by lit signs which only activate when required; otherwise the previously posted limit (generally 50km/h) applies.

Martron

was just thinking more about the night time lilit. work happens the whole time, so having 2 limits is not practical. because one night it would apply and the next it may not due to work.

60 is slow.but not unacceptable

if you were to run the full length of the m50 at 60kmh it would take roughly 38 mins (non stop)

if you did it at 80 it will take roughly 28 mins.

you are only saving 10minutes by speeding!!!

elexes

Hammertime wrote: »

they don't work close by at 10 at night but the idiotic limits still appply

the roadway is basicly a building site with muck and other various liquids going onto the road without anyone paying attention

a lot of the sections of the road contains sudden dips and bumps with may take some people by supprise. just because your a confident driver who can adapt quickly to sudden changes in the road dosnt mean the driver of the car infront or next to you can .

as marton said . your not saving a lot of time by going over the limit . you would probably spend the time saved trying to work out what your going to have for dinner.

Martron

elexes wrote: »

with muck and other various liquids going onto the road without anyone paying attention

.

i beg to differ...

if there is muck on the road it will not there for long..... and the liquids you speak of is water. no other liquids are used in such quantity that they could flow on to the road.

and as for nobody paying attention.... there is 3 full time safety officers, the nra, the main contractors, and also subcontractor safety.


failing all that there is the m50concession who look after the main traffic areas and they have cctv cameras all over the place and if they see there is anything causing trouble we get a call straight away... so not too sure your comment is entirely accurate