UFC 94 BJ PENN VS GSP ***Will Contain Spoilers***

MartyMcFly84

LeoGilly wrote: »

WOW indeed! But whats with the english flags? There really pushing this card! Cant wait for this fight. Its gonna be a war!! Haven't a clue who will win. There both just incredible at what they do!

em they are the canadian and hawaiian flags(has a small union jack in the corner as it used to be a British protectorate). The English flag is the st.georges cross (which again isnt in the picture). Sorry for being a stickler

Pride Fighter

LeoGilly wrote: »

Sorry. Whats with British flags then?

Its a Hawaiian flag.

ginoginelli

The ufcs show bj penn/ st pierre primetime aired last nite..

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=aAcQjmdwDAs&eurl=http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/those-who-missed-penn-pierre-ii-primetime-all-parts-901563/

Sm0ke

i think BJ might take this one, im not a fan of his i just think hes gonna beat GSP on the groud!!! This is gonna be good tough!

slightly excessive with this comment :

"for the fight many are calling not only the fight of the year, but the fight of the decade"

lol

couture fedor will be the fight of the year for 2009 XD


Penn wud not be able to beat machida in his wildest dreams tbh! Machida is one of the only fighters around that is literally a karate fighter, he uses his discpline incredibly, for alot of people this can look like a bad fight. Of course it isnt, because of the sheer defensive skill of machida, hes incredibly adept out there but i think because he doesnt have as much marketability he may have to wait a little longer for his eventual title shot. Alves is a great fighter aswell so it will be sad to see him handed his first loss in the octagon but hes young and skilled so im sure we will see much more from him

MartyMcFly84

Wow after watching the primetime, it doesnt seem like BJ is dedicating himself to this fight like he should,:mad: wtf???. Ive only had two fights but I wouldnt piss off on a holiday for 5 days in the middle of my training for a fight, one or two days a week chilling out max. And u better believe GSP probally spent those 5 days and nights doing non-stop sprints or somthing.

I can see a repeat of the 1st fight BJ having a good 1st round then start to gas and GSP will keep pressuring like a mofo.

Sm0ke

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

Wow after watching the primetime, it doesnt seem like BJ is dedicating himself to this fight like he should,:mad: wtf???. Ive only had two fights but I wouldnt piss off on a holiday for 5 days in the middle of my training for a fight, one or two days a week chilling out max. And u better believe GSP probally spent those 5 days and nights doing non-stop sprints or somthing.

I can see a repeat of the 1st fight BJ having a good 1st round then start to gas and GSP will keep pressuring like a mofo.

In GSP's own words "ill sleep when i die" XD

dunkamania

Sm0ke wrote: »

Penn wud not be able to beat machida in his wildest dreams tbh! Machida is one of the only fighters around that is literally a karate fighter, he uses his discpline incredibly, for alot of people this can look like a bad fight. Of course it isnt, because of the sheer defensive skill of machida, hes incredibly adept out there but i think because he doesnt have as much marketability he may have to wait a little longer for his eventual title shot. Alves is a great fighter aswell so it will be sad to see him handed his first loss in the octagon but hes young and skilled so im sure we will see much more from him

Your kinda all over the place here. By my reckoning, BJ nearly beat Machida. Great that Machida has a unique karate inspired style, but it was a natural LW vs a LHW, so not a huge victory. Confused about the reference to Alves, who is going to beat him?

Karmafaerie

dunkamania wrote: »

Your kinda all over the place here. By my reckoning, BJ nearly beat Machida. Great that Machida has a unique karate inspired style, but it was a natural LW vs a LHW, so not a huge victory. Confused about the reference to Alves, who is going to beat him?

I think he's confusing Thiago Silva with Thiago Alves.


And Penn would not beat Anderson Silva in a month of Sundays.
I know anything can happen in a fight, but Silva is better on his feet, a better grappler, better in the clinch, has better cardio, and while Penn is better on the ground, everyone often forgets that Silva is a BJJ blackbelt, himself, and a good one at that.

hitman119

BJ would hammer Anderson Silva, BJ has better stand up and better ground, and for his cardio trianing will he likes to take things easy some times but over all his a well rounded fighter and i can see him taking GSP, and then maybe if Dana White needs the cash:p. BJ Vs Anderson Silva

Sm0ke

dunkamania wrote: »

Your kinda all over the place here. By my reckoning, BJ nearly beat Machida. Great that Machida has a unique karate inspired style, but it was a natural LW vs a LHW, so not a huge victory. Confused about the reference to Alves, who is going to beat him?

yeah apologies for my last post im not really sure what im on about in it. I hadnt slept in 36 hours!

I wasnt saying it was a huge vistory i was just making the point that imho machida is untouchable to penn. This was just in response to whomever was saying that penn cud have beat him or wud if the weights etc were equal!

I was also trying to get at (in a very dazed way!) how intresting Machida's style is and how refreshing it is to see styles changed up and used like he does and I was trying to get in before the calls of "machida is crap/boring etc". I think I love the style aswell because it shuts Frank Shamrock up. He made the comment on inside MMA a few months back that "mma hasnt improved or change in 8 years" or close to that.

and ROFLFAIL at me calling Silva, Alves XD

Karmafaerie

hitman119 wrote: »

BJ would hammer Anderson Silva, BJ has better stand up and better ground, and for his cardio trianing will he likes to take things easy some times but over all his a well rounded fighter and i can see him taking GSP, and then maybe if Dana White needs the cash:p. BJ Vs Anderson Silva

If you actually believe that, you should watch more MMA.

hitman119

Karmafaerie wrote: »

If you actually believe that, you should watch more MMA.

Haha you are one of those arm chair fighters:D.
I do MMA, how about yourself.
where do you train?
Bj will beat GSP hands down and Sliva is nothing special all he can do is few leg switchs. Bj is very underated fighter, first he'll beat GSP second Kenny Flo and the who's know maybe silva.

trojan Fury

hitman119 wrote: »

Haha you are one of those arm chair fighters:D.
I do MMA, how about yourself.
where do you train?
Bj will beat GSP hands down and Sliva is nothing special all he can do is few leg switchs. Bj is very underated fighter, first he'll beat GSP second Kenny Flo and the who's know maybe silva.

BJ Vs Sliva not going to happen buddy,

smoochie06

hitman119 wrote: »

Haha you are one of those arm chair fighters:D.
I do MMA, how about yourself.
where do you train?
Bj will beat GSP hands down and Sliva is nothing special all he can do is few leg switchs. Bj is very underated fighter, first he'll beat GSP second Kenny Flo and the who's know maybe silva.

I am an armchair fan and even i can see how good Silva is. He is lightening fast and very well rounded. Penn wouldnt have a chance against him.


To get back on topic i am looking forward to this card imo i think GSP will take it but it will be close again. It could even be a decision again.

MartyMcFly84

hitman119 wrote: »

Sliva is nothing special all he can do is few leg switchs. .

If you you do mma... well thats one of the dumbest things i have heard a fighter say.

I dont think anyone is saying BJ not world class, just jumping up two weight divisions to fight anderson silva is a bit of stretch too far.

Karmafaerie

hitman119 wrote: »

Haha you are one of those arm chair fighters:D.
I do MMA, how about yourself.
where do you train?
Bj will beat GSP hands down and Sliva is nothing special all he can do is few leg switchs. Bj is very underated fighter, first he'll beat GSP second Kenny Flo and the who's know maybe silva.

You "do" mma do you.
Fairplay, have a cookie.

If you consider Anderson Silva to be nothing special, then I'd imagine you get done in MMA a lot.

BJ would not get out of the second round with Silva.
plain and simple.

trojan Fury

hitman119 wrote: »

Haha you are one of those arm chair fighters:D.
I do MMA, how about yourself.
where do you train?
Bj will beat GSP hands down and Sliva is nothing special all he can do is few leg switchs. Bj is very underated fighter, first he'll beat GSP second Kenny Flo and the who's know maybe silva.

leg switchs are nothing special WTF!!! I think you need to start training properly, and if you ''do'' mma; then send me tickets to one of your fights because i'd love to see one!

Anyway i see Fitch is on the undercard for UFC 94, guy is ranked number 4 or 5(can't remember) in the world in welterweight. All because AKA wouldn't sign over the likeness of there fighters to THQ to make the UFC game.

hitman119

Karmafaerie wrote: »

You "do" mma do you.
Fairplay, have a cookie.

If you consider Anderson Silva to be nothing special, then I'd imagine you get done in MMA a lot.

BJ would not get out of the second round with Silva.
plain and simple.

How does me having an opinion on silva not being a good fighter have anything to do with how i fight?

And when you say get ''done'' in mma, i don't know where or what training you do. But we use the term beat; done might refair to something else. So do they give you a ''cookie'' to soften the blow when you get DONE:D

It's obivous you ment to say Silva wouldn't get out of the second round with BJ. BJ is the bitter figher end of discussion

Fall_Guy

And so it happens, boards.ie mma forum has fallen victim to what I like to call "the sherdog effect".

Karmafaerie

hitman119 wrote: »

How does me having an opinion on silva not being a good fighter have anything to do with how i fight?

And when you say get ''done'' in mma, i don't know where or what training you do. But we use the term beat; done might refair to something else. So do they give you a ''cookie'' to soften the blow when you get DONE:D

It's obivous you ment to say Silva wouldn't get out of the second round with BJ. BJ is the bitter figher end of discussion

Learn English, then come back to me.

trojan Fury

lads can we please get back on topic here, this is boards.ie not 5th class. Fair enough BJ vs Anderson silva would be a good fight and most people would agree that it would be, but it'll never happen sorry.

Now can we move on because i've got tickets for UFC 94 in Vegas ough yeah!!!

hitman119

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Learn English, then come back to me.

Karmafaerie is just upset because he got ''done'' and they didn't give you a cookie. but lets move on with the thread tickets to ufc 94 well done mate. maybe Karmafaerie will give you a cookie......

T-K-O

This card is huge... I cant wait for the GSP V BJ fight also Lyoto is a beast and it wont be long before he gets a title. shot.

I think BJ (If he has trained) will beat GSP but it has the makings of FOTY.

T-K-O

BJ Penn taking on Silva is ludicrous. Now GSP taking on Silva if he beat Penn is definitely a possibility.

trojan Fury

Can wait for that fight, Sliva is unreal and so is GSP, must save up and get tickets for that one,

ginoginelli

I cant believe so many of you count bj out so flippantly against silva..Although Im sure plenty of you will change your tune if he decimates gsp. The ufc are all about making the superfights and if bj gets a big win against gsp, i can easily see dana making this fight happen..

Karmafaerie

Jesus Christ, I thought the football forum was bad.:rolleyes:

T-K-O

ginoginelli wrote: »

I cant believe so many of you count bj out so flippantly against silva..Although Im sure plenty of you will change your tune if he decimates gsp. The ufc are all about making the superfights and if bj gets a big win against gsp, i can easily see dana making this fight happen..

Of course you cannot rule BJ out, Pride had crazy fights like that but I would fall off my seat if that fight was made - it will not happen. If anything Silva will move to 205.

hitman119

All thats matters is the money and if dana white can get the cash the fight will happen look at brock, there are other heavy weights in UFC that have been there for years and they still haven't gotten a title shot. brock walks in and beause his a big name they give him the title shot. so when BJ knocks out GSP then we will see BJ vs Silva.

Karmafaerie

Silva wants to go to 205.
Silva will finish off those at middleweight, then move up.

If BJ is even contemplating moving up, then he's not changed at all, and will never change.
BJ = 155pd fighter.
He's so good he can fight at the top level at 170
He's so good that he can fight at 185, but just not at the top level.
And he most certainly not good enough to compete at the top level against a guy who can compete at the top level at 205.
BJ has tried that.
And he lost.

ginoginelli

Bj lost a razor close decision to machida at Heavyweight. I tend to agree thats its a little far fetched for bj to move up and beat silva, But Im just not so quick to dismiss it hapenning either..

Karmafaerie

ginoginelli wrote: »

Bj lost a razor close decision to machida at Heavyweight. I tend to agree thats its a little far fetched for bj to move up and beat silva, But Im just not so quick to dismiss it hapenning either..

BJ never troubled a defensive fighter at light heavyweight
Machida won a deserved victory, in only his 6th ever fight, against supposedly the one of the worlds best.

If BJ can't beat Silva at 205, and Silva and Lyoto are naturally the same size (Lyoto doesn't cut for 205, Silva does for 185), and Silva is a much better fighter than Machida was then, put two and two together.

BJ has looked great at 155.
Why must you asume that he'll be great at heavier weights (obviously not counting 170 where he's great too), when he never has been!

hitman119

Karmafaerie wrote: »

BJ never troubled a defensive fighter at light heavyweight
Machida won a deserved victory, in only his 6th ever fight, against supposedly the one of the worlds best.

If BJ can't beat Silva at 205, and Silva and Lyoto are naturally the same size (Lyoto doesn't cut for 205, Silva does for 185), and Silva is a much better fighter than Machida was then, put two and two together.

BJ has looked great at 155.
Why must you asume that he'll be great at heavier weights (obviously not counting 170 where he's great too), when he never has been!

All Anderson has to do is stay at middleweight (and for the right price he will) and all BJ has to do is come up to welterweight and don’t say it wont happen because as I’ve explained before it all down to the PPV money.
Remember Bj is the Prodigy………….

Dragan

The only thing funnier than MMAth is MMA Hypotheticals 101.

I am all about discussing Fedor Vs King Kong and Ramage Vs The State of Nevada but this is just a little reminder to people to keep these things polite, as they do tend to spiral into nonsensical arguments.

Karmafaerie

hitman119 wrote: »

All Anderson has to do is stay at middleweight (and for the right price he will) and all BJ has to do is come up to welterweight and don’t say it wont happen because as I’ve explained before it all down to the PPV money.
Remember Bj is the Prodigy………….

Yes, rich boy Penn is all about the money.

I'm just gonna leave you be now.
I'm out.

ginoginelli

Karmafaerie wrote: »

BJ never troubled a defensive fighter at light heavyweight
Machida won a deserved victory, in only his 6th ever fight, against supposedly the one of the worlds best.

If BJ can't beat Silva at 205, and Silva and Lyoto are naturally the same size (Lyoto doesn't cut for 205, Silva does for 185), and Silva is a much better fighter than Machida was then, put two and two together.

BJ has looked great at 155.
Why must you asume that he'll be great at heavier weights (obviously not counting 170 where he's great too), when he never has been!

First of all that fight was at Heavyweight. :P

Lyoto is one of my fav fighters and im sure he is ever improving, but he still looks pretty much the same fighter as he did when he fought BJ, Franklin and Bonnar as he did against Hoger, Nakamura and Tito etc,Those slick foot sweeps, classy brazilian kicks and evasive footwork were all there then too..

Silva has been quoted on the record, saying that lyoto often gets the better of him in sparring. Obviously theres a big difference between sparring and fighting, but its something to consider at least.

Im not making any assumptions, i just think with the kind of fighter bj is and if he gets a decisive win over gsp, its foolish to so casually dismiss his chances against silva.. Would it be amazing? of course..Unlikely? yes.. But this doesnt mean it couldnt happen. As I said in an eariler post, Combat sports history is littered with people fighting well above their weight and
winning..

You can stick your fecicious "two and two together" up your ar*se btw.. :eek:

hitman119

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Yes, rich boy Penn is all about the money.

I'm just gonna leave you be now.
I'm out.

Thats makes no since; most fighters are about ''the money''

Karmafaerie

ginoginelli wrote: »

First of all that fight was at Heavyweight. :P

Lyoto is one of my fav fighters and im sure he is ever improving, but he still looks pretty much the same fighter as he did when he fought BJ, Franklin and Bonnar as he did against Hoger, Nakamura and Tito etc,Those slick foot sweeps, classy brazilian kicks and evasive footwork were all there then too..

Silva has been quoted on the record, saying that lyoto often gets the better of him in sparring. Obviously theres a big difference between sparring and fighting, but its something to consider at least.

Im not making any assumptions, i just think with the kind of fighter bj is and if he gets a decisive win over gsp, its foolish to so casually dismiss his chances against silva.. Would it be amazing? of course..Unlikely? yes.. But this doesnt mean it couldnt happen. As I said in an eariler post, Combat sports history is littered with people fighting well above their weight and
winning..

You can stick your fecicious "two and two together" up your ar*se btw.. :eek:

Learn before you talk.
The fight was in M1 Heroes.
Machida weighed in at 203.
Penn weighed in at less that 190.
That Heayweight?
No, that's light heavy.
M1 has fights with no weight class, but both fighters weighed in inside the LH (UFC) class.

Knowing that a fight happened, doesn't mean that you know SFA about the fight.

BJ has never looked good against bigger fighters.
I've seen every one of his fights.
Machida was too big for him.
Silva would be too big for him.
Even GSP, and Hughes have proved too big for him as they beat him with strenght and control to neutralise his talent, with Serra proving tricky for BJ too.
He's an aggressive bully fighter, and it's near impossible to bully somebody who's got 40-50 pds on you!

And as everyone seems to completely forget, Silva is a high level BJJ blackbelt.
He trains with Machida, and the Nogs on a daily basis.
He's so good that he rarely goes to the ground, but when he does, he finishes the fight!
Ask Hendo or Lutter.

ginoginelli

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Learn before you talk.
The fight was in M1 Heroes.
Machida weighed in at 203.
Penn weighed in at less that 190.
That Heayweight?
No, that's light heavy.
M1 has fights with no weight class, but both fighters weighed in inside the LH (UFC) class.

Knowing that a fight happened, doesn't mean that you know SFA about the fight.

BJ has never looked good against bigger fighters.
I've seen every one of his fights.
Machida was too big for him.
Silva would be too big for him.
Even GSP, and Hughes have proved too big for him as they beat him with strenght and control to neutralise his talent, with Serra proving tricky for BJ too.
He's an aggressive bully fighter, and it's near impossible to bully somebody who's got 40-50 pds on you!

And as everyone seems to completely forget, Silva is a high level BJJ blackbelt.
He trains with Machida, and the Nogs on a daily basis.
He's so good that he rarely goes to the ground, but when he does, he finishes the fight!
Ask Hendo or Lutter.

The fight was billed as a heavyweight bout, lyoto weighed in at 217 pounds and bj at 190 something..

Pretty sure it was K1 heros too

READ before you WRITE next time dude..Thats a good boy..

Karmafaerie

ginoginelli wrote: »

The fight was billed as a heavyweight bout, lyoto weighed in at 217 pounds and bj at 190 something..

Pretty sure it was K1 heros too

READ before you WRITE next time dude..Thats a good boy..

Yeah, you're starting to join Hitman now.

What do K1 promotions call their MMA events/fights?

M1.

Well done.

K1 is not MMA.
K1 is completely sepperate from MMA.
M1 was originaly built as the meeting off K1 fighters with MMA fighters, usually with split rules fights (2 rounds MMA, 2 rounds K1), but with the death of Pride, M1 has moved out.
M1 is often called K1 in America, but the MMA division, is called M1

ginoginelli

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Yeah, you're starting to join Hitman now.

What do K1 promotions call their MMA events/fights?

M1.

Well done.

K1 is not MMA.
K1 is completely sepperate from MMA.
M1 was originaly built as the meeting off K1 fighters with MMA fighters, usually with split rules fights (2 rounds MMA, 2 rounds K1), but with the death of Pride, M1 has moved out.
M1 is often called K1 in America, but the MMA division, is called M1

lolol the event was billed as K1 heroes, check it on any mma website.. Your grasping at straws now

hitman119

ginoginelli wrote: »

lolol the event was billed as K1 heroes, check it on any mma website.. Your grasping at straws now

A TOTAL TKO From Ginoginelli, and Karmafaerie is out :eek:

Karmafaerie

Do us all a favour.

hitman119

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Do us all a favour.

take it like a man we beat you fair and square your just a sore loser

Dragan

The easiest way to solve this issue for the good of the Forum is just to ban the three of you.

If you would like to engage in this kind of pointless tit for tat then take it to Sherdog.

Now, thats your last warning ladies.

Karmafaerie

hitman119 wrote: »

take it like a man we beat you fair and square your just a sore loser

Kid, K1 is a discipline that is not MMA.
K1 has a side event which it calls M1.
It's run in conjunction with a Russian MMA grouping.
MMA rules, quiet often mixed wit K1 rules with seperate rules for rounds.

K1 is as disparate from MMA as boxing is.

If I say that BJ Penn recently beat Sean Sherk in a boxing fight, would I be right?!
Because saying that Machida beat Penn in K1 is the same kind of statement.

The event was called K1 heroes, because half of the fights were K1 fights, because the company is registered as K1, and because in Japan, where it was held, K1 is the biggest sport, and so all things K1 sell.
The fight however was under M1 rules.
If it was under K1 rules, there would be no ground game, three three minute rounds, no clinches, no strikes to downed opponents, no elbow strikes, a three down TKO rule......etc.
The fight was not K1.

Of course if you were here to acctually discuss MMA then you'd accept, or even understand that.

However you have doen nothing but throw juvenile insults from what I've seen of you here.
That is what sherdog is for.

hitman119

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Kid, K1 is a discipline that is not MMA.
K1 has a side event which it calls M1.
It's run in conjunction with Russian MMA.
MMA rules, quiet often mixed wit K1 rules with seperate rules for rounds.

K1 is as disparate from MMA as boxing is.

If I say that BJ Penn recently beat Sean Sherk in a boxing fight, would I be right?!
Because saying that Machida beat Penn in K1 is the same kind of statement.

The event was called K1 heroes, because half of the fights were K1 fights, because the company is registered as K1, and because in Japan, where it was held, K1 is the biggest sport, and so all things K1 sell.
The fight however was under M1 rules.
If it was under K1 rules, there would be no ground game, three three minute rounds, no clinches, no strikes to downed opponents, no elbow strikes, a three down TKO rule......etc.
The fight was not K1.

Of course if you were here to acctually discuss MMA then you'd accept, or even understand that.

However you have doen nothing but through juvenile insults from what I've seen of you here.
That is what sherdog is for.

Listen BOY you know nothing about mma you just write alot of crap that makes no since. your wrong face it you can't even except that. and your the one who started the juvenile insults, just read back over the thread. and its you that needs to go to sherdog i'd bet you have a account there already. Now seen that Dragon has given us a very harsh waring he called us ladies, i 'm just going to ignore you childish and inmature comments, so go learn about MMA and stop annoying everyone on the form

ginoginelli

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Kid, K1 is a discipline that is not MMA.
K1 has a side event which it calls M1.
It's run in conjunction with a Russian MMA grouping.
MMA rules, quiet often mixed wit K1 rules with seperate rules for rounds.

K1 is as disparate from MMA as boxing is.

If I say that BJ Penn recently beat Sean Sherk in a boxing fight, would I be right?!
Because saying that Machida beat Penn in K1 is the same kind of statement.

The event was called K1 heroes, because half of the fights were K1 fights, because the company is registered as K1, and because in Japan, where it was held, K1 is the biggest sport, and so all things K1 sell.
The fight however was under M1 rules.
If it was under K1 rules, there would be no ground game, three three minute rounds, no clinches, no strikes to downed opponents, no elbow strikes, a three down TKO rule......etc.
The fight was not K1.

Of course if you were here to acctually discuss MMA then you'd accept, or even understand that.

However you have doen nothing but throw juvenile insults from what I've seen of you here.
That is what sherdog is for.

In fairness I think most of us on this forum know the difference between k1 and mma dude (hope so anyway!).. Look. You got your opinion and I got mine. As the mod said, lets just keep it polite, and on topic, then its all good..

Peace

trojan Fury

ginoginelli wrote: »

In fairness I think most of us on this forum know the difference between k1 and mma dude (hope so anyway!).. Look. You got your opinion and I got mine. As the mod said, lets just keep it polite, and on topic, then its all good..

Peace

we'll said,

Fromvert

Come on lads back on topic, fed up sifting through your ****

BJ Penn vs GSP. BJ to take this third round stoppage.
Machida vs Silva. Silva by G n P.
Bonnar vs Jones. Not really interested in this one. But il go for Bonnar
Karo vs Dong Hyun Kim. Hope Karo wins this and gets back to his best. Karo by UD
Guida vs Diaz. Love Guida think his constant pressure on Diaz will get him a decision. He'll have to watch out for Diaz's subs though.
Fitch vs Gono. Cant belive Fitch is on an undercard, the UFC obviously not forgetting what happened. Fitch to take this.