Dell to cut 1,900 jobs in Limerick

Berty

Lets all cross our fingers and toes for Dell Employees who in 20 minutes will find out the fate of the company and their jobs in Limerick.

My father said he would call me just after the meeting for an update but I dont find that likely because if its bad news I will be the least of his worries, calling me with bad news.

the drifter

the tailbacks were huge this morning....finguers crossed!!!

NTC

best of luck to them all. But at least they will know for sure today.

TestTransmission

NTC wrote: »

best of luck to them all. But at least they will know for sure today.

+1

Tipsy Mac

NTC wrote: »

best of luck to them all. But at least they will know for sure today.

+1.

solace

I'm not in til ten... yikes.

kippy

I really hope its not as bad as has been reported it is going to be........

Raskolnikov

If anyone hears anything, let us know.

Fingers crossed.

Berty

The media are going to be given a press release in the next hour or so.

Berty

1900 jobs to be axed immediately. Report on 95fm from the reporter Clarke in Raheen. JESUS :eek:

First release of staff in April. How many that is has not been reported just yet.

Mollywolly

I'm listening to it too. My hubby works there and I'm praying that he's ok. Not all of them are going just yet so I'm hoping he'll be one of the last to go - give us a chance to sort ourselves out. My heart goes out to all those young 'uns because it's not going to be easy to find something else. Must NEVER give up hope though!

phill106

yeah, the 1900 basically ends manufacturing in limerick.

Hagar

Manufacturing jobs transferred to Poland.

Raskolnikov

So how many people don't work in manufacturing in Limerick?

Hagar

That 1900 is only the tip of the iceberg. There's about twice that dependant on the Dell plant, security, catering, couriers - Interlink will really feel it.

Mollywolly

Suppose we should have expected these jobs would be transferred to Poland when they opened their plant there. I heard Jan O'Sullivan talkiing recently saying that there was an EU law that said manufacturing companies can't transfer jobs within the EU. Anyone know if this is correct?

Berty

They say around 1000 people work outside of manufacturing.

Hagar

Souns like BS. The whole point of the EU is to encourage the growth of commerce particularly in it's less developed areas.

Mollywolly

Raskolnikov wrote: »

So how many people don't work in manufacturing in Limerick?

Not that many, but there is a section that deals with returns and refurb so not sure if that is technically manufacturing. Hope not, because that's where my hubby is

Berty

95fm are talking about the hammer blow knock of when Wang and Krupps left.

At least when Wang left people went to AST and when AST when they went to Dell. Where will that skillset move to now?

Mollywolly

Hagar wrote: »

Souns like BS. The whole point of the EU is to encourage the growth of commerce particularly in it's less developed areas.

Yeah, but as they wouldn't be new jobs going to Poland, just transferred, I don't think that would be classed as growth.

Berty

Mollywolly wrote: »

Not that many, but there is a section that deals with returns and refurb so not sure if that is technically manufacturing. Hope not, because that's where my hubby is

Refurb department need the manufacturing facility because they strip machines and put the parts back on the lines and rebuild machines using parts from the production lines.

Im sorry but having work in Dell with that department I should think you should brace yourself for a difficult phone call from your husband.

kippy

Berty wrote: »

95fm are talking about the hammer blow knock of when Wang and Krupps left.

At least when Wang left people went to AST and when AST when they went to Dell. Where will that skillset move to now?

With a bit of luck and some help, hopefully some Irish people try start their own business or service which might use this skills in some other way....
Kippy

seachto7

just heard it there on newstalk....that's a bad blow...

Tipsy Mac

The plant was supposed to be the most efficient Dell have, the country is in real trouble if we can't compete when we have are at this level of skill and it's not enough. I really feel for the people losing their jobs in this climate as there's not a whole lot of work out there, I hope Dell at least give them a decent redundancy package.

Jumpy

Berty wrote: »

95fm are talking about the hammer blow knock of when Wang and Krupps left.

At least when Wang left people went to AST and when AST when they went to Dell. Where will that skillset move to now?

McDonalds?


Seriously, there is nowhere else to go. My fiance has been trying for 3 months to get work and most of the jobs she applies for have hundreds of applicants.

Unless another large company sees an opportunity here to buy a factory and workers at the same time, then the floorboards of the social welfare will be creaking under the strain.
Farewell Limerick, you almost made it.

Berty

Tipsy Mac wrote: »

I hope Dell at least give them a decent redundancy package.

It is going to be capped. My father told me this last week that Dell have said that "should" anything be announced they will not receive big money.

My father is there 14+ years prior to the doors even opening in Limerick and was hoping to get a redundancy package to match that. I dont know the ins and outs of it but he is getting nowhere near that if even half.

NTC

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/index.aspx?c=ireland&jp=mhsnmhojcwql

Raskolnikov

Tipsy Mac wrote: »

The plant was supposed to be the most efficient Dell have, the country is in real trouble if we can't compete when we have are at this level of skill and it's not enough.

Even if they were able to assemble twice as many PC's are the Polish outfit, we're still five times the cost of Poland.

Ireland is simply too expensive a place to manufacture in.

Mollywolly

Berty wrote: »

Refurb department need the manufacturing facility because they strip machines and put the parts back on the lines and rebuild machines using parts from the production lines.

Im sorry but having work in Dell with that department I should think you should brace yourself for a difficult phone call from your husband.

Thankis Berty. Been bracing myself since he came home from work last night and said there was a meeting this morning. I'm expecting the worst so anything else would be a bonus.

whiskeyman

I can't bear to watch the news tonight, as they usually interview young families who have just lost their jobs... for many both partners working there.
It's a massive blow for Limerick and the sense of desperation and bewilderment must be awful.

kippy

Raskolnikov wrote: »

Even if they were able to assemble twice as many PC's are the Polish outfit, we're still five times the cost of Poland.

Ireland is simply too expensive a place to manufacture in.

We are now, but costs in Poland will rise with time as well......
If we are to continue with manufacturing jobs it is with Irish companies they need to be with.

Amazotheamazing

kippy wrote: »

We are now, but costs in Poland will rise with time as well......
If we are to continue with manufacturing jobs it is with Irish companies they need to be with.

When costs rise in Poland they'll just move on again.

We're already way behind other EU countries on R&D.

Berty

Good old John Gilligan again speaking without thinking.

"Dell have unceremoniously SACKED all those good people"

Listening to him he is unable to see this as a business profit making decision by the Dell Corporation.

Oafley Jones

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

When costs rise in Poland they'll just move on again.

We're already way behind other EU countries on R&D.

To be honest, I'm surprised they're retaining any manufacturing in Europe. It's probably due to distribution logistics but when you see Hon Hai/Foxconn relocating plants within different regions of China due to differing costs in the country, you know that manufacturing in Europe is in it's final days.

Jumpy

Berty wrote: »

Good old John Gilligan again speaking without thinking.

"Dell have unceremoniously SACKED all those good people"

Listening to him he is unable to see this as a business profit making decision by the Dell Corporation.

He is speaking to the people, its what they want to hear.

Itsdacraic

How long until the Government announce a "taskforce" has been set up?

death1234567

Berty wrote: »

At least when Wang left people went to AST and when AST when they went to Dell. Where will that skillset move to now?

The dole. Its the 1980's all over again.

Tipsy Mac

death1234567 wrote: »

The dole. Its the 1980's all over again.

Yes but this time it's worse in the 80's you had the US and UK to go to.

Millie

It's terrible news for all & as a subcontractor our future is now also hanging on the balance.
It's a dark, dark day for Limerick.

death1234567

Tipsy Mac wrote: »

Yes but this time it's worse in the 80's you had the US and UK to go to.

True, and you had an epic mullet to keep your neck warm.

Raskolnikov

Is this really as bad as people make it out to be though? I mean, something always comes up, doesn't it?

Keano

I'd feel for all those people. Fortunately I was made redundant last year but got a job. Going to be a long year for Ireland...

death1234567

Raskolnikov wrote: »

Is this really as bad as people make it out to be though?

Yes it is. 800 jobs are being lost a week. If you lose your job now and can find another vacancy that you are qualified you'll probably find over 100 other applicants for the same position (minimum).

iMax

The government should have stepped in & given them tax breaks. If they let them stay here tax free it would have cost far less than the social welfare in the area is going to cost. Not to mention they'd still have income tax, VAT etc from the employees. Now they've nothing.

iMax

Raskolnikov wrote: »

Is this really as bad as people make it out to be though? I mean, something always comes up, doesn't it?

You've never been made redundant have you ?

Imagine applying for a job. Now imagine applying for one with a couple of hundred of people who have exactly the same skillset as you.

lb163

I agree Death12345, I am in a position like that and I do not know how many applications I have sent away over the past 8 months and all i got to date was 2 interviews but no job The fact that i am 56 is no help of course. No idea of what i can do now

Mollywolly

Raskolnikov wrote: »

Is this really as bad as people make it out to be though? I mean, something always comes up, doesn't it?

I'm afraid it is. It's more the knock-on effect, if anything. There will be a lot less money going into the local economy so that puts pressure on local businesses, they make job cuts, etc., and so it goes on.

Oh, and forgive me if I'm sounding a bit gloomy but my hubby is one of those who has lost his job. Thankfully, he will be one of the last to go at the end of this year but it's still bad news whichever way you look at it.

--amadeus--

About 18 months ago my wife advertised for an office based job, ended up having to go through an agency and had barely a dozen applicants.

A couple of months ago that job had to be re-advertised, went in the local paper and she had close to 200 applicants.

Make no mistake this will have a huge impact on the local economy. Not only are you losing 1900 (comparatively) well paid jobs there will be (as mentioned) knock on's with the companies who supply Dell. And then you have the impact on - for example - retail and leisure. There are now close on 2,000 who won't have a pay packet to put over the counter so the ramifications are huge.

The only positive is that the really high skill and well paid jobs are being retained (at least for now)

Berty

iMax wrote: »

The government should have stepped in & given them tax breaks. If they let them stay here tax free it would have cost far less than the social welfare in the area is going to cost. Not to mention they'd still have income tax, VAT etc from the employees. Now they've nothing.

It sounds nice if they could do that then every other employer would claim to be moving to Eastern Europe and ask for tax breaks as well.

The IDA originally gave 10 year breaks for these companies to entice them to Ireland but the tax incentives had to expire at some stage.

Ireland has a low labour cost and highly educated citizens but over the year of the tiger our wages went up and up and now we are as expensive as the original countries they transferred from.

Eastern Europe will go that way as well.

whiskeyman

Raskolnikov wrote: »

I mean, something always comes up, doesn't it?

The only thing going up is the unemployment rate, Government debt and peoples sense of despair.

We had years of highs we never thought imaginable fuelled on crazy excess and greed.


Here come the lows.