A national backup plan

ScumLord

It might be a good idea to have a plan for dealing with zombies after the panic and we're all settled into our Safe houses. I had grand plans of fighting them all off but when you think about it that's a bit stoopid.

The problem is zombies will be drawn to your location. The sound and smell will attract them. First a few but the numbers will grow. By hundreds, then thousands. I don't think my safe house could stand up to thousands of zombies crawling over each other to get in. The weight alone means they'd eventually come through your roof.

The best thing would be to draw them somewhere where they can be easily dispatched. We could develop a national plan right here that would take place a set amount of time after Z day. Where we draw all the zombies into a few locations around the country and kill them all off easily.

Booby traps could be set at these locations to draw them in over a few weeks then we move in for the kill every so often.

I'm thinking quarry's would make good place to capture them it has steep sides and heavy machinery. It should have a back up generator as well to run the bate.

What do ye think?

Our own "Redeker" plan!

It's an idea alright, I note that it wasn't planned for in that "Emergency" booklet the government issued to every household about a year ago. :eek:

thefinalstage

Deleted User wrote: »

Our own "Redeker" plan!

It's an idea alright, I note that it wasn't planned for in that "Emergency" booklet the government issued to every household about a year ago. :eek:

We don't have anything like the rockies....

Undead

thelastangryman wrote: »

We don't have anything like the rockies....

Sugarloaf...:P

Arcee

I like it. A lot of people have their own awesome survival plans but the country needs its own high-level response. Who will run the plan?, how will survivor groups communicate?, answers on a postcard please.....

For starters, how about.....

Step one - collect a load of zombies.

Step two - collect a load of doctors, scientists and boards zombie experts

Step three - experiment like mad on said zombies until cure/total anihilation method is found

Step four - apocalypse averted country-wide after party. Yay! Oh, and casualty cleanup.

Admittedly it's a rough plan, but I think it has potential :-)

Well as for the communication, their are a community of people who are amateur radio hobbyists. These people could serve as our communications personnel after Z-Day.

That of course, depends on the army not seconding them into service first...!

Seriously though, in any national disaster of this nature, the army is going to have to play a big part.

smegmar

the Army?!

all you will see of the Irish army is 3 lads and a jeep. We're not the most militarized nation. What we should do is pick out our fort now. somewhere with good resources, well defended prepare-able, somewhere central (where survivors might go), somewhere nearby.

I've picked out Trinity College because it's the best at all these things for anyone living in Dublin area. I hope to see you there.

ScumLord

smegmar wrote: »

the Army?!

all you will see of the Irish army is 3 lads and a jeep. We're not the most militarized nation.

If I'm not mistaken what we do have is trained to a fairly high level. But aren't most of them out foreign anyway?

I think Irish soldiers would be much less willing to open fire on the general population also.

smegmar

smegmar wrote: »

the Army?!

all you will see of the Irish army is 3 lads and a jeep. We're not the most militarized nation. What we should do is pick out our fort now. somewhere with good resources, well defended prepare-able, somewhere central (where survivors might go), somewhere nearby.

I've picked out Trinity College because it's the best at all these things for anyone living in Dublin area. I hope to see you there.

I appreciate that we're by no means the most militarised of nations, however nor are we an armed populace. For that reason the government can't rely on people in general to counter a Zombie threat in anything but a haphazard manner (that's not to say we can't be organised and have a great chance of survival).

For that reason any plan that is invoked on a national level is going to involve our military somewhere along the line. And in this plan, it would make sense for the military to be allowed commandeer any resources that they may need (civilian ham radio enthusiasts, builders, etc.).

As for Dublin, I'm not in that area, and would rather not be! Too many people and to high a chance of infection...

ScumLord

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For that reason any plan that is invoked on a national level is going to involve our military somewhere along the line. And in this plan, it would make sense for the military to be allowed commandeer any resources that they may need (civilian ham radio enthusiasts, builders, etc.).

That could be a problem if the government and most the population disappear. Who's in charge of the army then?

ScumLord

ScumLord wrote: »

That could be a problem if the government and most the population disappear. Who's in charge of the army then?

The highest ranking officer!!!

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

The highest ranking officer!!!

Look to the new "Battlestar Galactica" for inspiration! Bill Adama would be GREAT to have around to lead humanity after Z-Day...!!!

Genghiz Cohen

We need to set up baiting stations, structures that emits a lot of light and sound to draw Zs away from key locations (Motorways, urban areas etc.). How to deal with them then is up to the government, but odds are it'll be 3 years too late and €5 Billion over budget.

Genghiz Cohen

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

We need to set up baiting stations, structures that emits a lot of light and sound to draw Zs away from key locations (Motorways, urban areas etc.). How to deal with them then is up to the government, but odds are it'll be 3 years too late and €5 Billion over budget.

+1

It'd funny if it wasn't so tragically true!!!

Nerin

ScumLord wrote: »

That could be a problem if the government and most the population disappear. Who's in charge of the army then?

The irish John Connor?

Genghiz Cohen

Nerin wrote: »

The irish John Connor?

But then the Z's would have to send Quislings back in time to kill his mother.

Nerin

Nerin wrote: »

The irish John Connor?

Hopefully John Connor won't be necessary, Z's being a little more disorganised than Skynet!

I suppose we should trawling through Video Arcades for exceptionally talented video players just in case...

ScumLord

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

We need to set up baiting stations, structures that emits a lot of light and sound to draw Zs away from key locations (Motorways, urban areas etc.). How to deal with them then is up to the government, but odds are it'll be 3 years too late and €5 Billion over budget.

Baiting stations are ideal, but I think we should find spots around the country to put the stations to take advantage of the environment. Are there any great big holes around. A decoy station could draw them into the hole and hopefully if their as stupid as they look they will stay there meaning the survivors may only need to venture out to kill zombies once a month.

Nerin

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Hopefully John Connor won't be necessary, Z's being a little more disorganised than Skynet!

I suppose we should trawling through Video Arcades for exceptionally talented video players just in case...

Well then it won't be me. Devil may cry,yes,I'm win. Cod or the like of shoot em ups,i fail.

ScumLord

ScumLord wrote: »

Baiting stations are ideal, but I think we should find spots around the country to put the stations to take advantage of the environment. Are there any great big holes around. A decoy station could draw them into the hole and hopefully if their as stupid as they look they will stay there meaning the survivors may only need to venture out to kill zombies once a month.

I do like the idea of baiting stations, but the ideal type (a big pit / quarry type thing) isn't practical in the place most Zombies would be (a city like Dublin...), if only because of the logistics of trying to build one after Z-Day.

SmileyPaul

ScumLord wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken what we do have is trained to a fairly high level. But aren't most of them out foreign anyway?

I think Irish soldiers would be much less willing to open fire on the general population also.

we may not have the biggest army going but have you seen our ranger unit?!
there up with the SAS seriously
also I'd have no problem with takin down a couple of hudred z's lol

Arcee

SmileyPaul wrote: »

we may not have the biggest army going but have you seen our ranger unit?!
there up with the SAS seriously
also I'd have no problem with takin down a couple of hudred z's lol

Yeah I think the army will have to step in as the leaders during any zombie apocalypse. Definitely a special unit though. They will have to have been training all year and there will have to be multiple units around the country to co-ordinate each region.

What would you use in the baiting pits? *waits for controversial suggestions re: certain useless members of society*

So, it's Z day. Army Z-units assume command, have access to special radio frequency to broadcast instructions to the country. What will they tell people to do first?

Genghiz Cohen

Arcee wrote: »

So, it's Z day. Army Z-units assume command, have access to special radio frequency to broadcast instructions to the country. What will they tell people to do first?

Fortify your home and prepare to be rescued.

SmileyPaul

Arcee wrote: »

So, it's Z day. Army Z-units assume command, have access to special radio frequency to broadcast instructions to the country. What will they tell people to do first?

"due to tax ridiculous tax increases we are sorry to inform you that we will not be saving you
accept you are about to become a z and learn to embrace, the pain will be long and agonising before your dreadful fate is realised....
but fear not! brian cowen will repopulate ireland through IVF of all of your girlfriends and wives...."
too far? :P

ew..... hundreds of thousands of little bastard politicians running around which isn't a slag they all WILL be bastards :P

hmmm...

A nation of Brian Cowens...

I think I'd actually prefer the Z's!

Hard Larry

People, people, I'm shocked by the naiveity of some of the posts on this thread!

You people want to survive the outbreak right?

I've thought about Army involvement at great length.

The 2 barracks in Dublin and the one in Cork will make ideal refugee centers when Z Day comes. All 3 locations are easily reinforced and defendable. They are full of weapons and munitions and also so have a supply of CBRN suits which are tough as old boots and Z's will have a very hard time chomping through these.

The only weak point in a complete suit is the gloves however I believe a multilayed system of lght gloves and disposable rubber gloves will work well against bites.

I'm sure many of you have have read about the Battle of Yonkers right?

Well that was large scale cold war unit tactics....luckily for us the Irish Army trains for small unit tactics. A mix of Light Mortar Fragmentation ammo and some GPMG SF (Sustained fire) set at knee/thigh level could make short work of a shambling horde leaving CBRN clad grunts to wade in to a incapaitated horde bayoneting de-limbed ghouls as they walked.

Also recently aquired by our engineering branch is a remote controlled 'mine flail' quit handy for Urban Center Zombie Warfare.

Altough any current tactics presented to Army Brass would be laughed at due to their naiveitivity of the whole situation. I assure you there are a handful of highly skilled DF personnel who will know what to do when Z day comes.

Hard Larry

Hard Larry wrote: »

People, people, I'm shocked by the naiveity of some of the posts on this thread!

You people want to survive the outbreak right?

Well, obviously, hence the forum!

Hard Larry wrote: »

I've thought about Army involvement at great length.

The 2 barracks in Dublin and the one in Cork will make ideal refugee centers when Z Day comes. All 3 locations are easily reinforced and defendable.

The trouble is that these may become overcrowded - they'll have to find a way to keep the numbers down.
Also, as people flock there, it will attract Zombies, leading to more problems for the army.

Hard Larry wrote: »

They are full of weapons and munitions and also so have a supply of CBRN suits which are tough as old boots and Z's will have a very hard time chomping through these.

They may be full of firearms, etc. However these require training to use proficiently. This may be an issue depending on the level of infection as people may not have enough time to complete said training.

Hard Larry wrote: »

The only weak point in a complete suit is the gloves however I believe a multilayed system of lght gloves and disposable rubber gloves will work well against bites.

That's a grand idea - however I'd say the army will reserve use for soldiers who will be actively (eventually) combating the undead.

Hard Larry wrote: »

I'm sure many of you have have read about the Battle of Yonkers right?

Well that was large scale cold war unit tactics....luckily for us the Irish Army trains for small unit tactics.

Yes, but Yonkers was also a media stunt to assure the population that the threat of Zombies could be dealt with. As we know, the stunt failed miserably.

Hard Larry wrote: »

A mix of Light Mortar Fragmentation ammo and some GPMG SF (Sustained fire) set at knee/thigh level could make short work of a shambling horde leaving CBRN clad grunts to wade in to a incapaitated horde bayoneting de-limbed ghouls as they walked.

Also recently aquired by our engineering branch is a remote controlled 'mine flail' quit handy for Urban Center Zombie Warfare.

Altough any current tactics presented to Army Brass would be laughed at due to their naiveitivity of the whole situation. I assure you there are a handful of highly skilled DF personnel who will know what to do when Z day comes.

I bow to your superior knowledge on the matter, obviously you're more up on military knowledge than I.

Hopefully there's a government plan in place for when Z-Day arrives. As we've discussed, it will probably involve the military. However given that if there is a plan, and the fact it hasn't been advertised, it will probably be extreme and not for public knowledge (it would probably cause a panic).

I for one, won't rely on any national plan. I'll do my best to keep myself and family safe until the tide (hopefully) turns.

A separate note from my last post.

I'd imagine if there was a government national plan, it would make sense to evac Dublin City / the Dublin area, and set up shop in a remote, unpopulated part of the country, say Ross Port in the west of Mayo.

Hard Larry

Druss, I'm speaking from a soldier's perspective. I'm in the army. What I posted was only the tip of the iceberg.

Those handful of ideas have been thought out already. Including the barracks as refugee / recruiting centers. Both the barracks in Dublin are located in bottleneck suburban areas (Rathmines and Blackhorse Avenue) There are areas in each location that can be cut off with barricades and both have escape routes. All routes to the barracks (with a little DIY) can be covered off.

This current Government has no contingency plan for an outbreak.

But at least there are some people who work for them that will know what to do on Z day

Hard Larry

Hard Larry wrote: »

Druss, I'm speaking from a soldier's perspective. I'm in the army. What I posted was only the tip of the iceberg.

Those handful of ideas have been thought out already. Including the barracks as refugee / recruiting centers. Both the barracks in Dublin are located in bottleneck suburban areas (Rathmines and Blackhorse Avenue) There are areas in each location that can be cut off with barricades and both have escape routes. All routes to the barracks (with a little DIY) can be covered off.

This current Government has no contingency plan for an outbreak.

But at least there are some people who work for them that will know what to do on Z day

Well it's nice to know that some people in positions of authority have at least got a game plan for when Z-Day arrives!

Hopefully I'll meet up with you for a pint if we both survuve and we can trade stories - yours with a military slant and mine from a civilians!

Kromdar

sorry for dragging this one back from the depths...

anyway i had a thought about a baiting station.
Dublin port, or any port for that matter, park a ferry or large tanker against the dock, tie it up or anchor it or whatever, lower the cargo ramp and have a party on the ramp, about 10 to 20 feet away from the actual concrete pier. zombies arrive, and just walk off the dock and fall into the water.

then turn the engines on... :P

Kromdar

Kromdar wrote: »

sorry for dragging this one back from the depths...

anyway i had a thought about a baiting station.
Dublin port, or any port for that matter, park a ferry or large tanker against the dock, tie it up or anchor it or whatever, lower the cargo ramp and have a party on the ramp, about 10 to 20 feet away from the actual concrete pier. zombies arrive, and just walk off the dock and fall into the water.

then turn the engines on... :P

Yep, but a couple would more than likely escape, and then get back to shore to start another panic.

Plus, wouldn't the turbines turning propel the ferry off?

ScumLord

This raises the issue of how infectious zombie corpses are. Would a zombie smothie in Dublin bay just infect us all through the water supply?

This could be an issue anywhere in the country. There's allot of underground water supply's in Ireland and if we're not careful any large cull could infect these. It's already happened with other types of containments.

cyberwolf77

No offense meant by this but I has a plan in the vent of a zombie outbreak in Ireland.
1.Commandeer nuclear submarine from U.S. Navy
2. Launch submarine's arsenal of nukes at Ireland.
3. Return to U.S. for trial on charges of treason and crimes against humanity.
O.K. so maybe there's a few minor kinks in this plan of mine. :rolleyes:

cyberwolf77

cyberwolf77 wrote: »

No offense meant by this but I has a plan in the vent of a zombie outbreak in Ireland.
1.Commandeer nuclear submarine from U.S. Navy
2. Launch submarine's arsenal of nukes at Ireland.
3. Return to U.S. for trial on charges of treason and crimes against humanity.
O.K. so maybe there's a few minor kinks in this plan of mine. :rolleyes:

Good idea for total containment, a kind of "Foot and Mouth" solution to the problem, which would be effective, but you'd need to move very quickly to ensure that no Z's had wandered into the Irish Sea and across to Britain.

To that end, would a batch from a missile silo not be quicker?

Kromdar

ok so plan #2. we set up an area around a motorway or n-road, which cuts through some fairly steep hills. making sure the road is the only entrance, we barricade one end of it and lure zombies in from the other end, then jam something behind them. so we've boxed in say 200-300 z's.

then, blow something up.

repeat.

success?

Nerin

Kromdar wrote: »

ok so plan #2. we set up an area around a motorway or n-road, which cuts through some fairly steep hills. making sure the road is the only entrance, we barricade one end of it and lure zombies in from the other end, then jam something behind them. so we've boxed in say 200-300 z's.

then, blow something up.

repeat.

success?

I say 300 warriors would be enough to hold it.

Kromdar

Nerin wrote: »

I say 300 warriors would be enough to hold it.

i knew i should have left out the number '300'
i was just asking for something like this ^.^

cyberwolf77

Deleted User wrote: »

Good idea for total containment, a kind of "Foot and Mouth" solution to the problem, which would be effective, but you'd need to move very quickly to ensure that no Z's had wandered into the Irish Sea and across to Britain.

To that end, would a batch from a missile silo not be quicker?

Subs are easier to steal and aim.

Nerin

Kromdar wrote: »

i knew i should have left out the number '300'
i was just asking for something like this ^.^

sounded alot like the hot gates

S.I.R

i was hoping for a Vault 101....



sadly dissapointed. *sigh*

2K9 Posts baby....


its an omen !

ScumLord

Here are the locations of some quarries in Ireland, I've linked to the addresses.

http://www.feelystone.com/about.htm

http://www.lackenstone.ie/contact.htm

Still (imo) the best place to bring the Z.

Poccington

My plan basically revolves around a stereo and this song....

Personally, I feel that this song will hold the answers to defeating the Z threat when I need them.

Failing that... I'll be taking a trip into work and tooling up :pac: