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Four points for a win?

  • 04-01-2009 12:02pm
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    As a way of encourging playing to win rather than many teams seeking to grind out an away draw.

    How the table would look as things have gone this season,

    4points.jpg

    Would it look much different if the season started with everyone knowing the extra reward for a win?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,399 Thanx 4 The Fish
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    I do not think so. Those who want a win would get one regardless of the points for it. would make the league so hard to follow too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,754 Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    Possible four points for an away win, but not a home one.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,537 SickBoy
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    There was already a change made back in 1981-82 season going from 2 points for a win to 3 for the very reason you mention.
    I doubt it will be changed again TBH.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 redout
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    If a team is not good enough to win when 3 points are on offer then I hardly think they will be good enough when its 4 on offer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 jesus_thats_gre
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    4 points for a win, 2 points for a score draw and 1 point for a scoreless draw.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 mike65
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    -1 for a loss? ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 redout
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    How about for every 10 points picked up away from home you get a bonus point and every 10 points dropped at home you lose a point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 el rabitos
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    half time multi-ball?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 RasTa
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    + a bonus point for 3 goals scored away from home and a bonus point for 5 goals scored at home.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 mike65
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    Man City could do quite well under that system :p


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,219 invincibleirish
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    Nah. Why not just go whole hog with bonus points, time outs & a sinbin?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 mike65
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    Be to serious I'd back a 10 min sin-bin for yellow cards picked up for dangerous play/diving/time wasting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 722 busted flush
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    8 points for turning up
    2 points for playing the right way
    1 point for being a human
    13 points for the coolest hair cut
    3 points for a win
    1 point for a draw
    o points for a loss


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 Guy:Incognito
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    Square pitch, 4 goals(one at each side) , 4 teams. One ball.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 mike65
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    8 points for turning up
    2 points for playing the right way
    1 point for being a human
    13 points for the coolest hair cut
    3 points for a win
    1 point for a draw
    o points for a loss

    You forgot 12273 points for gold lame effect boots!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,615 ArmaniJeanss
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    4 points for a win, 2 points for a score draw and 1 point for a scoreless draw.

    Welcome to OldAnfieldBridge and for those turning in late the score is 1-1 after 5 minutes, incredibly enough the 47th successive game in the division this season where both teams have scored in the first 5 minutes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 eZe^
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    Why don't we just flood the stadiums and have mock naval battles like the Roman's? We could even ask the chairman of each club to decide whether the worst player on the pitch deserves to live?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 Lamper.sffc
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    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 Neil3030
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    5 Live Phone in show had a feature on improving the game once, I remember someone phoned in a savage idea: A large mushroom is planted on the centre spot, and any team that knocks it over loses all its goals. So you're 4-1 up, knock over the mushroom - BAM, you are now losing 1-0. Hate that...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 Average-Ro
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    TIME BOMB BALL!!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 233 cmcsoft
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    3 points or 4 won't change the way teams play, whilst teams at the bottom are willing to grind out every point they can, teams at the top see a draw as two points dropped. I don't think offering 4 points for a win will make teams more adventurous


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,676 genericgoon
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    Four points FTW!

    *gets coat


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 Pigman II
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    mike65 wrote: »
    As a way of encourging playing to win rather than many teams seeking to grind out an away draw.

    How the table would look as things have gone this season,

    4points.jpg

    Would it look much different if the season started with everyone knowing the extra reward for a win?

    Interesting table. Aren't you being a bit generous to Liverpool, Arsenal and Aston Villa tho?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,456 kida
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    not sure what way to change it but I do think a score draw should be worth more than a 0-0.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 Pigman II
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    Instead of given more points for a win, the best psychological incentive would be give 0 points for a draw. That way you'll inevitably get two teams going for a win and no more teams shutting up shop when they go to a big team because they'll get no reward for doing so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 344 jamesozzie
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    RasTa wrote: »
    + a bonus point for 3 goals scored away from home and a bonus point for 5 goals scored at home.

    More realistic and a good idea


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 _blank_
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    Pigman II wrote: »
    Instead of given more points for a win, the best psychological incentive would be give 0 points for a draw. That way you'll inevitably get two teams going for a win and no more teams shutting up shop when they go to a big team because they'll get no reward for doing so.

    lol, what?

    So, if a team is 1-0 down then score an equalizer, they get nothing.

    rofl.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 Pigman II
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    Des wrote: »
    lol, what?

    So, if a team is 1-0 down then score an equalizer, they get nothing.

    rofl.

    They also in the process cost the other team (perhaps a close rival for league positions) 3 or 4 points :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 _blank_
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    Pigman II wrote: »
    They also in the process cost the other team 3 or 4 points :p

    Nothing to do with it.

    Zero points for a draw is ridiculous.

    4 for an away win
    3 for a home win
    2 for a Score Draw
    1 for a no Score Draw
    0 for a loss.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 Pigman II
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    Zero points for a draw is ridiculous.
    It's not really. Better than supporting dumb ideas like 4 points for a win when it's already been proven that 3 for a win does nothing to change a teams attitude. When 4 doesn't work would you like to go for 5 perhaps?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 PHB
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    I think the current system works well enough.

    The teams that play for draws, defensive horrid football, are just idiots. They always get relegated. The teams that come up and play expansive football have a fighting chance. Clubs just have not realised this yet, for whatever reasons, mostly stupidity I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 Draupnir
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    mike65 wrote: »
    As a way of encourging playing to win rather than many teams seeking to grind out an away draw.

    How the table would look as things have gone this season,

    4points.jpg

    Would it look much different if the season started with everyone knowing the extra reward for a win?

    Is it just me or is the table you posted wrong? Liverpool should only have 58 points?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 _blank_
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    It's just you tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 mike65
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    You (and Pigman 11) are right (wishing full thinking clearly!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 Pigman II
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    mike65 wrote: »
    You (and Pigman 11) are right (wishing full thinking clearly!)

    Photoshop is good for many things .... but when dealing with league tables I generally prefer to use a spreadsheet ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,615 ArmaniJeanss
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    Des wrote: »
    Nothing to do with it.

    Zero points for a draw is ridiculous.

    4 for an away win
    3 for a home win
    2 for a Score Draw
    1 for a no Score Draw

    0 for a loss.

    If a game was heading for a boring 0-0 after 88 minutes it would be in both their interests to agree 1-1.
    Far more likely would be every game would be 1-1 after 5 minutes play.
    Worst idea yet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 _blank_
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    If a game was heading for a boring 0-0 after 88 minutes it would be in both their interests to agree 1-1.
    Far more likely would be every game would be 1-1 after 5 minutes play.
    Worst idea yet.

    Good point.

    2 for an away draw.
    1 for a home draw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,789 keane2097
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    Des wrote: »
    It's just you tbh.

    It's me as well.

    Simple arithmetic fail imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 Draupnir
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    Des wrote: »
    It's just you tbh.

    Told you it wasn't just me!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,789 keane2097
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    Des wrote: »
    Good point.

    2 for an away draw.
    1 for a home draw.

    This would maybe defeat the purpose of having an extra point for an away win (if the purpose of that was to encourage attacking play away from home) so I'm not sure about it.

    Defo an extra point for an away win though imo.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 Pigman II
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    Worst idea yet.

    Des wrote: »
    Good point.

    2 for an away draw.
    1 for a home draw.

    So now you're encouraging teams to play negative away? The worst idea yet just got worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,615 ArmaniJeanss
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    Des wrote: »
    Good point.

    2 for an away draw.
    1 for a home draw.

    Actually your idea was tried for a season in the LOI back in the mid 80s.
    i.e., Away Win 4, Home Win 3, Away Draw 2, Home Draw 1.

    It was a FIFA approved trial as far I can remember. Obviously it wasn't deemed successful as it was discontinued, not sure why.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 Neil3030
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    Pigman II wrote: »
    Instead of given more points for a win, the best psychological incentive would be give 0 points for a draw. That way you'll inevitably get two teams going for a win and no more teams shutting up shop when they go to a big team because they'll get no reward for doing so.

    Only way I see this working is do away with draws entirely, have extra time and penalties after ninety minutes if the score is tied. Otherwise, as Des said, there's no incentive for teams to fight back from a deficit to get a draw, unless they will be directly impacted by the other team not getting 3 points.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 mike65
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    I have teh answer!

    If more than 8 players occupy thier own half more more than 60% the first 60 mins of a game they loose a player and then another player every 5 mins after that until they get forwards! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,789 keane2097
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Only way I see this working is do away with draws entirely, have extra time and penalties after ninety minutes if the score is tied. Otherwise, as Des said, there's no incentive for teams to fight back from a deficit to get a draw, unless they will be directly impacted by the other team not getting 3 points.

    Isn't this the way it is in the J-League (maybe without the extra time and just straight to penos in case of a draw)?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 Pigman II
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Only way I see this working is do away with draws entirely, have extra time and penalties after ninety minutes if the score is tied.

    Even then you'll get teams deliberately playing for draws with the intention of nicking a win on penos. The Yugoslav league tried it in the 80's-90's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,789 keane2097
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    Pigman II wrote: »
    Even then you'll get teams deliberately playing for draws with the intention of nicking a win on penos. The Yugoslav league tried it in the 80's-90's.

    At least England might stop losing on penalties if they get in a bit of practise...

    No, wait - scrap this idea immediately...!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,615 ArmaniJeanss
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    Actually your idea was tried for a season in the LOI back in the mid 80s.
    i.e., Away Win 4, Home Win 3, Away Draw 2, Home Draw 1.

    It was a FIFA approved trial as far I can remember. Obviously it wasn't deemed successful as it was discontinued, not sure why.

    Season 1981/1982 according to this historical listing.
    Obv its before your time, and I've only a vague memory of it. Would be interesting if anyone knows how it was perceived at the time?
    http://rsssf.com/tablesi/ierhist.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 Neil3030
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    Pigman II wrote: »
    Even then you'll get teams deliberately playing for draws with the intention of nicking a win on penos. The Yugoslav league tried it in the 80's-90's.

    So back to square one then basically, yeah, good point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,165 astrofool
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    The table at the start is wrong for a start, Liverpool have won 13, and drawn 6 = (13*4) + 6 == 58, putting them one win ahead of Chelsea and 1 point ahead of Utd if they win their games in hand (which is exactly as it is with 3 points for a win).

    So yea, maths fails on this thread.

    Giving more points for a score draw will only encourage teams to ensure that both sides score, and could be open to manipulation.


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