moust expencive to maintain( WRX or M3 or supra)

ShadowHearth

hey lads, i am looking at 5-7k range sports cars. i can afford those, but i dont whant to get cought for expencive maintance and parts pirces. So what about these cars:

Bmw m3 ( 96ish)
scooby WRX ( 99-00)
toyota supra non turbo ( 95-96)


I will be driving only to work ( 10miles a day) moustly, i dont drive too much.

so will that be alot of money to maintane and service those cars? and which one would be less hassle and cheaper aswell?

Thx!

Gumbo

m3 imo

servicing and parts are more expensive. (use AC Cars to do your work, their a bmw specialist.)

also road tax is 1500 per year if your intrested in the 3.2 evo version.

wrx is till only a 2 litre so 600 off for road tax and servicing and parts are more common cheaper.

martydunf

supra tt for me dude!:D

imo it has a much greater road presence that the m3 and is rarer than the wrx.
you cant go too wrong with toyota's reliability and im sure it'd be alot cheaper to service than the beemer.

also i think the scooby has shorter service intervals something like every 5000 miles it needs oil and plugs changed(open to correction here)

ShadowHearth

martydunf wrote: »

supra tt for me dude!:D

imo it has a much greater road presence that the m3 and is rarer than the wrx.
you cant go too wrong with toyota's reliability and im sure it'd be alot cheaper to service than the beemer.

also i think the scooby has shorter service intervals something like every 5000 miles it needs oil and plugs changed(open to correction here)

i know if i would go for celica, there would be no problems. But wount i have trouble with supras? they are rare...

Now thx for saying about 1.5k Tax price!(1st post) i got 2.0l clk200 so 600eu not scaring me, but i newer thought it will be 1.5k!

And you are right... BMW will be expencive to keep, i know it from experience of german cars now . Cat costs me 1.5k eu, and only dealership...

Again about supra, would parts be not more expencive then M3? And will dealers be able get parts for me?

Scooby needs servise every 5k? damn... Btw what about b4 then? same story? Or that will be even more expencive toy?

drunkmonkey

Get yourself a subaru, cheaper road tax and there rock solid reliable if looked after*...running cost wise there not 2 bad, It costs me €40 to fill the tank from empty and I get about 400km for that which isn't too bad for a 300bhp car....

there's a lot of different specs so you'd want to look into the different models before you make a purchase..... Jap ones are faster than Irish and UK cars, and coupes will cost you an arm and a leg, if you could pick up a 22b for 7k you'd be going very well:)

drunkmonkey

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Scooby needs servise every 5k? damn...

all powerfull cars need to be serviced, the 5k service isn't huge, change the oil and make sure everythings ok, and horse her on;)

Servicing an Evo, now that's an expensive habit...

ShadowHearth

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Get yourself a subaru, cheaper road tax and there rock solid reliable if looked after*...running cost wise there not 2 bad, It costs me €40 to fill the tank from empty and I get about 400km for that which isn't too bad for a 300bhp car....

there's a lot of different specs so you'd want to look into the different models before you make a purchase..... Jap ones are faster than Irish and UK cars, and coupes will cost you an arm and a leg, if you could pick up a 22b for 7k you'd be going very well:)

cheers m8, i am actuallt not very consered about petrol, specially at prices like this. I am more wored about part prices, dont whant to get cought like i got with cath for merc. ( thought i got away easy, i got specially made cath for mine car, and costed only 200eu)

Btw why Evo service is so expencive?

guil

when i had a wrx i changed the oil every 5k kms with castrol rs, 10w 60, never had any trouble with it, without a remap, was drove very hard aswell

ShadowHearth

guil07 wrote: »

when i had a wrx i changed the oil every 5k kms with castrol rs, 10w 60, never had any trouble with it, without a remap, was drove very hard aswell

without? Damn.. i hear WRX are very sensitive without remap, how long you had it m8? and how many miles you did on it? which petrol you were putting in?

guil

yeah had it for bout a year only sold it cos was costin a fortune to run and gf got pregnant
in the first 2 months i did at least 1000km's a week, used to put anypetrol into it with octane booster the odd time

ShadowHearth

guil07 wrote: »

yeah had it for bout a year only sold it cos was costin a fortune to run and gf got pregnant
in the first 2 months i did at least 1000km's a week, used to put anypetrol into it with octane booster the odd time

expencive on petrol you mean m8? You were not using octane booster every single time? Btw how much petrol on 100miles they drink?

guil

i had a blitz nur spec r exhaust, a decat and a blitz induction kit on it, used to get 250 km's to a tank if i drove easy

ShadowHearth

guil07 wrote: »

i had a blitz nur spec r exhaust, a decat and a blitz induction kit on it, used to get 250 km's to a tank if i drove easy

ouch! i dont whant even to know how much you were getting if drove hard .

Will not modded ( atleast haevy) will be better on petrol?

guil

yeah i know a lad with one and he says its easy on petrol, he only has a backbox on it i think

ShadowHearth

guil07 wrote: »

yeah i know a lad with one and he says its easy on petrol, he only has a backbox on it i think

ah good m8 thx again. Btw whee were you getting parts for it? and were there any trouble becouse of it being a jap import?

guil

got some off damo at street performance and got the exhaust and induction kit off a lad in tralee, theres more jap imports than there is irish ones

gline

not to familiar with m3's, but being non-turbo would they not have to be serviced less? though servicing a bmw ive heard is expensive on parts etc.


toyota parts arent too bad at all, but the supra is twin turbo so will probably have to be looked after a lot more, but possibly the most fun out of them all :P toyotas from experience though are rock solid and can withstand a lot

martydunf

i wouldn't be considering any of those cars if your worried bout how many miles you'd be getting to the tank but saying that the supra tt is capable of 25mpg which is very good for that type of car!

here is all the info bout the supra on parkers,

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/toyota/supra-1993.aspx?page=7

JimmyCrackCorn!

martydunf wrote: »

i wouldn't be considering any of those cars if your worried bout how many miles you'd be getting to the tank but saying that the supra tt is capable of 25mpg which is very good for that type of car!

here is all the info bout the supra on parkers,

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/toyota/supra-1993.aspx?page=7

Running costs are not cheap on any of those cars. Make sure you know what your getting yourself in for before you buy. Its a classic warning sign when someone flags mpg as a concern on buying a performance car. Especially old jap turbos where maintenance is everything.


Price a service for all those cars. Ring round ask for a price on full service with Timing belts on each car. Insist on a high ballpark figure.

Do allot of research on the car before you buy. Common faults, proper maintenance, service intervals, what questions to ask when buying,


Will the car be a daily drive?

If so work this out carefully if its a second car the costs will be allot lower.

-Loan repayments (if any)
-Tax
-Insurance payments
-petrol usage (i used to burn 50 euro monday to friday and another 50 on the weekend depends on driving habits though. Iv heard worse though)
-estimate of general wear an tare items
-Washing the thing (it adds up)
-What did i break now fund. Can you afford a turbo chewing an oil seal(if you don't break anything use it for mods)
-If you have a lead foot factor that in two


Best of luck with your choice

B00MSTICK

Have you given up on the Galant VR-4?

I'd probably pick it over all the above tbh (well maybe not the M3, but only because I know a BMW nut/mechanic)

280 BHP odd and alot more common than a Supra so parts should be handier to find.

The Supra is definitely the looker of the lot though...

Atomic Pineapple

its n n/a supra the op has mentioned though not the twin turbo version.

if your after looks then the n/a is fine but if you actually want a fast car then the n/a is not worth considering especially in comparison to the two other cars you have mentioned.

the best thing you can do is join an owners group, all the info you will ever need will be there.

Andrewf20

If going for an M3, id go for the non evo 3.0l version (i.e pre 1996 approx). In reality, difference in speed is minimal compared to the 3.2l and the single vanos engine has a reputation for giving less trouble than the twin vanos evo which can cost up to 2grand to put right if it goes wrong.

ShadowHearth

JimmyCrackCorn! wrote: »

Running costs are not cheap on any of those cars. Make sure you know what your getting yourself in for before you buy. Its a classic warning sign when someone flags mpg as a concern on buying a performance car. Especially old jap turbos where maintenance is everything.


Price a service for all those cars. Ring round ask for a price on full service with Timing belts on each car. Insist on a high ballpark figure.

Do allot of research on the car before you buy. Common faults, proper maintenance, service intervals, what questions to ask when buying,


Will the car be a daily drive?

If so work this out carefully if its a second car the costs will be allot lower.

-Loan repayments (if any)
-Tax
-Insurance payments
-petrol usage (i used to burn 50 euro monday to friday and another 50 on the weekend depends on driving habits though. Iv heard worse though)
-estimate of general wear an tare items
-Washing the thing (it adds up)
-What did i break now fund. Can you afford a turbo chewing an oil seal(if you don't break anything use it for mods)
-If you have a lead foot factor that in two


Best of luck with your choice

Thx first of all m8. Like i said before, i dont care much about petrol, i dont drive that much. I would not cosider myself as a drager aswell .

One thing that bothers me is general maintance, part avelability, cost, service cost.

Now you gave a good pile of information allready, some of the things i will need to think about. Cheers again for that.

Now like i said, i was looking at non-turbo version of supra. Thought i i think that bouth, M3 and Supra will not pass mine requirments.

I pay 520eu for 2.0l car, i did not thought that 3.0 will be such huge difference. I checked the tax list, and it left me with my jaw droped down really low...

i am buying car in march, so thats why i am asking questions and doing research on cars in advance. Really dont whant to get cought with pants down in march, if i find something interesting, and wount know a thing about it.

So far i had in mine mind WRX/STI (96-00'), B4 (00'ish),s14,sx200.

I whanted to add to that list on of these cars aswell, but was not sure about theyr maintance costs, becouse these 3 are a bit more unique then cars i mentioned above.

Btw it will be a question not on topic, but i would be glad to hear an answer on it:
How different explotation of turbo car from non-turbo car? Any extra costs?
How to check turbo before buying the car?
Which action i should avoid? ( heard some really weird stuff... )

P.s. English is not mine native languadge. I try to type as best as i can, so dont be hard on me if you find mistakes or incorect sentence.

Simow

If your buying a import Subaru make sure its mapped for 95RON fuel or you run the risk of detonation, plenty of Subaru engines were broke over lads not getting them mapped and they are an expensive engine to put right as they are awkward to work on. I would go for the subaru over the other cars. The Supra is tempting but its big money to tax insure etc...... You also get a bit of practicality from the impreza.

Atomic Pineapple

I'd also go for the subaru too if your willing to mind it like a baby.

but thats just out of those 3 if your open t other suggestions as you say then you should definatley look into a stage 2 or 3 200sx s14a.

The B4 Rsk is a heavy but comfortable car and great at straightline speed but the Wrx or the 200sx will put a smile on your face

guil

Simow wrote: »

If your buying a import Subaru make sure its mapped for 95RON fuel or you run the risk of detonation, plenty of Subaru engines were broke over lads not getting them mapped and they are an expensive engine to put right as they are awkward to work on. I would go for the subaru over the other cars. The Supra is tempting but its big money to tax insure etc...... You also get a bit of practicality from the impreza.

like i said i had a wrx that wasnt mapped and only used octane booster the odd time, never gave any trouble and got drove very hard a lot of the time,
alot of them go from oil starvation too but if ya use 10w-60 ya have less chance of that happenin

ShadowHearth

draffodx wrote: »

I'd also go for the subaru too if your willing to mind it like a baby.

but thats just out of those 3 if your open t other suggestions as you say then you should definatley look into a stage 2 or 3 200sx s14a.

The B4 Rsk is a heavy but comfortable car and great at straightline speed but the Wrx or the 200sx will put a smile on your face

Actually i am really in to B4, specially at estate. That cofin caryer is really nicest from all estates . Thought mine misses really dont like it.

Btw does b4 got that same *bur bur* noise? Becouse it makes me horny every time scooby passes by

guil

yeah but its not as distinct as the impreza

Simow

guil07 wrote: »

like i said i had a wrx that wasnt mapped and only used octane booster the odd time, never gave any trouble and got drove very hard a lot of the time,
alot of them go from oil starvation too but if ya use 10w-60 ya have less chance of that happenin

well if it was me and i was spending big money on a car i'd want something as basic as the fuelling to be set up right. Only tempting faith driving it around set up wrong.

guil

its 800 for a power fc, was when i bought one anyway
then another 1000-2000 to get it mapped, i've heard of 4 blowin up the week they got mapped by a very respectable mapper from the uk

JimmyCrackCorn!

I can give you a fair bit of advise on turbo 200sx. As i had an s14 sr20det. My brother had an s13 sr20det (sil80).

I ended up having to maintain both as mechanics that knew what they were doing made a mess of my brothers costing him a turbo, two ncts , a temper tantrum, cooked exhaust manifold with gaskets(massive EGT). All unnecessarily and due to simple maintenance. Lets just say that's an expensive set of bills and it took me 15 minituses to solve the root cause.

He had also been advised to buy an apexi AFC by the mechanic to solve a boost leak:(

All that went wrong with mine was a sticky break calaper and i broke the electric mirror switch(15 euro oops). Ogh wait i had to clean the IAC valve as it was stalling. All the help i needed was the owners club.


Turbo cars in general are fiddly beasts but my god are they worth it.:D


For s14 buying advice and everything you will ever need to know search
www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb

For all Wrx
http://www.scoobynet.com/

Legacy owners club
http://www.uklegacy.com/forums/index.php?act=idx


Each car has very spicific requiremnts for maintenance and its own set of common problems.


Things to watch and research more:

• Also make sure you find out how to properly change the oil in a subaru. I have heard theres a very spicifc why of doing it involving cranking the engine with the cas disconnected to pump the oil round the engine before starting it.
• Some of the cars above will need a remap for saftey (perticularly the subaru legacy search this board for horror stories from people who just didnt listen)
  Make sure your car is fueling right no matter what car it is or it will break your heart and empty your bank account I mean that. Resaearch this more. using words like detonation,knock, AFR, EGT, Knocklink, phormula Ks3, MAF Vs MAP
• Remap prices vary with ecu type. newer ecus can be mapped older ones need a piggyback or replacement ecu (costly).
• Nissans are a pain for boost leaks and being a MAF car doesnt help. The factory intercoolers crack with age and can be a common problem in second hand cars. See my brothers car description for an extreme case of a boost leak if not fixed for a few months
• With all these cars maintenance is everything. Ask for reciepts service history. If the person is in an owners club search there posts to see what they asked. Find out all the common faults itll be the same questions in the technical section over and over again.
• Read the owners club forum for the next month. Search there forums if you dont find an answer ask there. Few cups of tea and a few hours.
  
  
• Bring someone who knows the car on the test drive and make it a good long test drive. Push to get a compression test and a full inspection by a trusted mechanic even the AA inspection.

All turbo cars like money and i recommend you learn how to maintain the cars yourself. If you do send it to a mechanic for stuff at least understand the problem before it goes in if you think you cant handle it.

BleedTheF!FtH

Non turbo supra wont cost u much..
Its only 220 brake tho, and has a heavy enough body,
M3 evos a savage car, hear theyr hard on juice,
but anything fast is i guess..

I want a tt supra lol
Theyr the best.
I drove a bog standard tt supra,
well worth the buy, if u like petrol stations

ShadowHearth

I think ill pass on all 3 of them .

M3 and supra tax is insane... 1.5k for tax only... not worth it .

And M3 is really a dog to look after.... Parts are really dare, and moustly dealer only

drunkmonkey

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I think ill pass on all 3 of them .

so it'll be the subaru then sir requires, may i suggest this beauty..

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/largepic.asp?i=662831&noPics=6&imgsrv=1&current=1&make=SUBARU&model=STI

JimmyCrackCorn!

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I think ill pass on all 3 of them .

M3 and supra tax is insane... 1.5k for tax only... not worth it .

And M3 is really a dog to look after.... Parts are really dare, and moustly dealer only

Glad you did the research. Best of luck narrowing it to something you'd be happy to own.

ShadowHearth

JimmyCrackCorn! wrote: »

Glad you did the research. Best of luck narrowing it to something you'd be happy to own.

Thx m8. A lot you lads helping me here alot. I am really thankfull for that. I am really getting alot of information on those performance cars, and i get a information about each specific car i need. so far

I had apportunity to touch a MR2 in live. And To be honest i really love it. Even thinking of mr2 beams engined.

And yeah so far mine list getting a few more cars, and a good few cars leaving it aswel.