1 Israeli = 155 Palestinians

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155 killed as Israel launches air strikes in Gaza Strip

Over 155 people were killed today and God knows how many wounded in the Israeli air strikes on the Gaza Strip. As the Isaelies have stated its a retaliation for the Hamas rockets that killed an Israeli

If it wasn't the siege and blockade on Gaza thats killing the people, it's the rockets,...yet the world watches in silence.

Source: IrishTimes Online

Nodin

Back in the 40's, it was felt that should any Israeli die, the Arabs should suffer tenfold, and that this would 'put manners on them'. 60 years later, and no manners in sight, few seem willing to take the wild leap of 'maybe if we were a bit more selective..'....

A Dub in Glasgo

A terrorist action from a terrorist state

Moriarty

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

A terrorist action from a terrorist state

Ah now, there's no need to be so off-hand about the elected government of the palestinian territories.

jonny72

I believe the average over the years is 1 Israeli = 400 Palestians.. dead that is..

I think its so sad how people know 155 people died but in their heads its somehow justified because it isn't technically 'terrorism' which somehow makes it morally okay.. yeah you know who you all are..

Mal-Adjusted

the International community doesn't do much of anything that's not in their own intirests.

dresden8

Those bloody Iranians on the other hand.............

Hagar

930,000,000 Germans better watch out.

PeakOutput

if the british bombed dublin tomorrow and we had the ability to strike back with force we would and we would be right

if we attacked england tomorrow the british would retaliate with extreme force to protect their people and they would be right

the israeli government is there to protect israelis and while i dont think they are doing a good job they have an immensely difficult situation on their hands

the palestinian government either needs to ask for help to get rid of the terrorists or it needs to get rid of them themselves if they dont then you have to wonder why they dont?

i think neither side is right here and its very easy for us to sit here thousands of miles away and judge peoples decisions when rockets are being fired in both directions

TOMASJ

Time there was a international tasks force set up to deal with these Israel terrorist,
Oo cancel that shor they are the good terrorist, -now where have we heard that before.

mike65

Didn't the bomb throwers in Gaza kill some thier own yesterday? Should stick to that policy, its less dangerous for Gazanarians.

Mal-Adjusted

it seems that someone has lost the meaning of "proportional response"

Frankie Lee

It makes me sick thinking about it and the apathy of people in relation to it is disturbing. How people come on here and put the blame on the Palestinians is beyond me.

Where is Obama and his message of change now?

mike65

Still disguesting the turkey I imagine (and that reply is probably less fatuous than your pious query)

Boston

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Where is Obama and his message of change now?

I don't recall him making any promises about the israelis

Mr.Micro

The strife between the Israelis and Palestinians will only end when the latter get as tooled up with weapons as the Israelis and then they will cancel each other out. There appears to be no compromise or likely one in the near future.

Darragh29

Palestine, do they have any oil in the ground over there???

Frankie Lee

Sorry I was being a bit pious I know, but can only see the situation deteriorating until the arabs are ethnically cleansed out of Palestine.

Mal-Adjusted

it's up to 205 dead now

worsel

Ya 205 maybe more + about 300 injured --
Hamas is only trying to protect its people
The israeli's have blockaded Gaza.. not allowing Food, Fuel etc. into Gaza..
The rockets that Hamas supposely fired into South Israel are litthe more than Fireworks..how many have they killed ? Sky News showed a Building that was supposely hit by one of these rockets today --their was a hole in the wall all right --but a Bed and a basket of fruit in the same room were untouched!!
The Israelis used a 1 TON BOOM to hit a hamas leader earlier this year and killed women and Children.. five-day Israeli offensive in March killed more than 120 people. There are two sides to every story,but the Palestinians side is rather compelling. look into it sometime. There's a little something about their land being stolen and handed over to the jews. There's another little tidbit about living in oppression for over 50 years. the Jews settled in what little Palestinian land was left and relocating them into camps. The Palestinians helped out the Jews after the second world war -- they then stole their country .. put them into refugee camps...cut offf their supplies...and then shell them.... The hypocricy of the so-called democratic countries is amazing.
A few days from the inauguration of new US Presidente,and Israelis create a new situation, sure in the fact that the new US goverment will continue as their ally The Palestines have no chance as long the US control the planet.

Mr.Micro

You would think that Hamas would get the message though? Going on the OP maths, 1 Israeli = 155 Palestinians, and Israel always reacts to provacation. So why does Hamas continue to use such tactics as rockets or whatever? The response is always the same, ie death for innocents. Perhaps that is the aim to promote opinion in the eyes of the world?

DublinWriter

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Where is Obama and his message of change now?

Right about now? At the Lockheed-Martin Xmas party celebrating the couple of hundred F-18s that they'll flog to Israel in 2009.

Israel always reminds me of the sexually abused child that when grown-up is condemned to repeat the sins of its abusers.

Mrmoe

Mr.Micro wrote: »

You would think that Hamas would get the message though? Going on the OP maths, 1 Israeli = 155 Palestinians, and Israel always reacts to provacation. So why does Hamas continue to use such tactics as rockets or whatever? The response is always the same, ie death for innocents. Perhaps that is the aim to promote opinion in the eyes of the world?

This appears to be the general situation there. There is no way that Hamas can compete with IDF on a military basis. The purpose of the rockets is to provoke Israel in to a military response which will always be overwhelming when they are so well armed and the other side is mostly equipped with peashooters. Hamas know this and so in my opinion are not totally blameless in this situation either. To say that it is all Israels fault is incorrect. Both parties to the conflict share blame. In order to have peace the rockets need to be eliminated as they are totally pointless. Israel need to then cease all offensive activities.

wes

Mr.Micro wrote: »

You would think that Hamas would get the message though? Going on the OP maths, 1 Israeli = 155 Palestinians, and Israel always reacts to provacation. So why does Hamas continue to use such tactics as rockets or whatever? The response is always the same, ie death for innocents. Perhaps that is the aim to promote opinion in the eyes of the world?

True enough that Hamas are vile bunch of murderer's who are at best stupid and murderous cretins. There actions are hardly in the best interest of there people.

Still, even when the Palestinians aren't firing rockets at Israel, things are hardly milk and honey. Just look at the West Bank and expanding colonies and the attacks the colonists are carrying out against the Palestinians. Hell, recently some colonies outside Israels wall were even granted building permits:

From Haaretz:
Barak approved settlement expansion despite Road Map

By Uri Blau, Haaretz Correspondent

Defense Minister Ehud Barak has approved dozens of construction projects in the West Bank in recent months, contradicting Israel's commitments to the Road Map, Haaretz has learned. Barak also approved the marketing of hundreds of housing units in settlements.

Some of the permits for construction projects were granted in settlements to the east of the separation fence, which are beyond the areas the state defines as "settlement blocks" and it expects to retain under Israel's control following a permanent agreement with the Palestinians.

Click here for the rest

So while Hamas certainly makes things worse. Still as we can see in the West Bank, Israel continually expands its colonies. So the Palestinians situation would hardly be all that great, even if Hamas disappeared tomorrow.

Nodin

worsel wrote: »

Ya 205 (...........) planet.

Woejously ill-informed comments don't help.

Mr.Micro wrote:

So why does Hamas continue to use such tactics as rockets or whatever?.

Because if they don't, then they feel they'll be run out on their knees, as oppossed to at least making an effort to resist. Settlement building, assasinations, beatings...these go on every day of the year.

the_syco

worsel wrote: »

The Israelis used a 1 TON BOOM to hit a hamas leader earlier this year and killed women and Children.. five-day Israeli offensive in March killed more than 120 people.

Versus... how many Israeli's do the Palestinian suicide bombers usually kill?

mumhaabu

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Where is Obama and his message of change now?

Obama is "busy" kicking back in Hawaii and just hanging with his homies. :pac: Seriously though there is little he can do as it is tit for tat out there and I support the Israeli's in this as there is never any attempt by the Palestinians to negotiate and enter peace talks, if they can do it up Norn Iron they can do it anywhere!

wes

mumhaabu wrote: »

Obama is "busy" kicking back in Hawaii and just hanging with his homies. :pac: Seriously though there is little he can do as it is tit for tat out there and I support the Israeli's in this as there is never any attempt by the Palestinians to negotiate and enter peace talks, if they can do it up Norn Iron they can do it anywhere!

The same can be said about Israel, considering that during peace talks Israel doubled there colonies. Israel has hardly made much of an honest effort themselves.

edanto

the_syco wrote: »

Versus... how many Israeli's do the Palestinian suicide bombers usually kill?

Suicide bombers are dispicable.

This is not a numbers game though. The typical Israeli press release of 'they attacked us with rockets/stones/dust is getting more and more transparent the more soaked in blood it becomes.

At this stage it is obvious that the Israelis are engaging in collective punishment, I've heard that from journalists that have been there recently and I heard it the other week from the mouth of someone I trust highly, Mary Robinson.

Collective punishment is a phrase with a special meaning - from Wiki:

Under the 1949 Geneva Conventions collective punishments are a war crime. By collective punishment, the drafters of the Geneva Conventions had in mind the reprisal killings of World Wars I and II. In the First World War, Germans executed Belgian villagers in mass retribution for resistance activity. In World War II, Nazis carried out a form of collective punishment to suppress resistance. Entire villages or towns or districts were held responsible for any resistance activity that took place there.

Is is sickening to me how that actions of the Israeli state mimick the actions of the Nazis. Earlier this year I was in Anne Frank's house and the photos of the wartime concentration camps that they had there are very evocative of the present day Palestinian camps.

Do not be fooled by slick Israeli PR.

The_Minister

the_syco wrote: »

Versus... how many Israeli's do the Palestinian suicide bombers usually kill?

Tbh, far more Palistinians die than Israelies.

A Dub in Glasgo

If there was any justice in this world, the Israelis would be hauled in front of the International Criminal Court to answer for their terrorist actions and war crimes

A Dub in Glasgo

the_syco wrote: »

Versus... how many Israeli's do the Palestinian suicide bombers usually kill?

In your mind, this boils down to numbers a la they [someone] blew themselves up in a crowded bar therefore we will fire a load of rockets in their city thus killing hundreds more?

daveirl

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A Dub in Glasgo

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You mean they slaughtered innocent men, women & children just to neutralise the police stations? That is the definition of a war crime and yet some will justify it.

daveirl

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A Dub in Glasgo

^^^^
This sounds like the justification of slaughter today.

Boston

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

You mean they slaughtered innocent men, women & children just to neutralise the police stations? That is the definition of a war crime and yet some will justify it.

And we all know hamas where using precision guided rockets in their attacks. Where was your condemnation early this week?

wes

daveirl wrote: »

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You conveniently left out Israel's collective punishment of the entire population of Gaza over the last few months.

daveirl wrote: »

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Well, I will agree with you here. Israel doesn't want peace and can continue to colonize the West Bank, as I showed in the earlier link.

A Dub in Glasgo

Boston wrote: »

And we all know hamas where using precision guided rockets in their attacks. Where was your condemnation early this week?

I condemned all bombings including Hamas. They should be brought to justice.

Do you think Hamas and the Israelis should be brought to justice for their attacks? or do you think that today was justice being heaped on Hamas and the Israelis are justified in their slaughter? Honest answer now.

Boston

There is no justice in war and vengeance.

wes

Boston wrote: »

And we all know hamas where using precision guided rockets in their attacks.

Might be due to them not actually having any. Regardless the actions of Hamas are simply appalling and wrong, but your comment about them not using precision rockets is silly, as they don't have any and no one is likely to give them any.

Them not having them, doesn't excuse there actions, but your comment is still pretty silly.

wes

Boston wrote: »

There is no justice in war and vengeance.

Of course there can be. The ICC exists for exactly that. All perpetrators should be brought to justice.

Boston

wes wrote: »

Might be due to them not actually having any. Regardless the actions of Hamas are simply appalling and wrong, but your comment about them not using precision rockets is silly, as they don't have any and no one is likely to give them any.

Reminds me of that taliban quote "If you build us a killing stadium, we wouldn't have to kill people in the foot ball stadium". Hamas don't give a damn if they kill civilians.

Boston

wes wrote: »

Of course there can be. The ICC exists for exactly that. All perpetrators should be brought to justice.

Only people who loose wars end up at the ICC

A Dub in Glasgo

Boston wrote: »

There is no justice in war and vengeance.

Interestingly, you do not take the opportunity to condemn the slaughter today This suggests that you see today as justified and the killings were justice served on the people in Gaza.

wes

Boston wrote: »

Reminds me of that taliban quote "If you build us a killing stadium, we wouldn't have to kill people in the foot ball stadium". Hamas don't give a damn if they kill civilians.

They don't, but they don't have those rockets, so your comment makes no sense. They don't have precision equipment and are also not the Taliban.

So if you think that Hamas would use better equipment and still use it to kill civilians and they probably would to be fair, then you comment make even less sense then, as you think they would still target civilians in anyways. So what difference does the precision of the equipment make then? Honestly, your comment made no sense to me at all, why the hell does precision of the equipment matter, when it kills innocent civilians. To me it doesn't matter at all.

Gareth37

WHO KILLED JESUS?

Was it the Jews or the Roman Empire?

The guns are firmly pointed at Jesus Christ.

In the Christian festival of the birth of Jesus, 2 days after Christmas day the Jews strike Jesus' people.

WELCOME TO WORLD WAR 3 AND THE END OF TIMES

War after war and the antichrist will win them all and declare to be the saviour. Christians will be persecuted and a great trial will be in place where all Christians will be trialed. After 7 years of great persecution for Christians Jesus will come in all His glory through the clouds to end it all. Before the 2nd coming of Jesus great natural distasters will occur, evem in great European cities.

Don't be tricked. Don't be brainwashed. Pray the rosary each night and read the Bible.

Pray Pray Pray!! Penance Penance Penance!! Fasting. Fasting. Fasting!!!

The antichrist is among us and his name begins with B.

wes

Boston wrote: »

Only people who loose wars end up at the ICC

Right now, I don't see why we can't get everyone in the dock. Perhaps, if nations that want justice and law to be respected went after everyone, the world would be in better shape.

The infrastructure exists to go after all these criminals. I see no reason why people shouldn't agitate for this.

Boston

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Interestingly, you do not take the opportunity to condemn the slaughter today This suggests that you see today as justified and the killings were justice served on the people in Gaza.

You didn't condemn Hamas, that suggest you're a supporter of rocket attacks into isreal, or at the very least indifferent towards them.

wes: It was to highlight the fact that Hamas don't care about civilian deaths. You're argument is only valid if I accept that Hama have to attack Israel, they don't.

wes

Gareth37 wrote: »

WHO KILLED JESUS?

Was it the Jews or the Roman Empire?

The guns are firmly pointed at Jesus Christ.

In the Christian festival of the birth of Jesus, 2 days after Christmas day the Jews strike Jesus' people.

WELCOME TO WORLD WAR 3 AND THE END OF TIMES

War after war and the antichrist will win them all and declare to be the saviour. Christians will be persecuted and a great trial will be in place where all Christians will be trialed. After 7 years of great persecution for Christians Jesus will come in all His glory through the clouds to end it all. Before the 2nd coming of Jesus great natural distasters will occur, evem in great European cities.

Don't be tricked. Don't be brainwashed. Pray the rosary each night and read the Bible.

Pray Pray Pray!! Penance Penance Penance!! Fasting. Fasting. Fasting!!!

The antichrist is among us and his name begins with B.

Um, WTH?!?

The vast majority of Palestinians aren't Christian, but Muslims. Also, its unfair to blame all Jews on the actions of Israel.