Toughest Beard in boxing ?

ODD-JOB

Which currently active boxer has the strongest chin ?

Big Ears

James Toney - Is his chin as big as his mouth ?

Of current boxers Margarito has the best chin for me, only been down once when he was about 17 and he wasn't even that hurt.

Valuev was stunned a little by Barrett, I remember Peter having Toney pretty hurt in a least one of their two fights(although it wasn't when the knockdown occured), Andrade despite his toughness was legitimately floored by Mack.
Duddy was shaken by Campas and put into difficulty by punches many other times but his heart gets him through.

Angulo isn't proven enough and the rest while having very good chins haven't shown the durability of Margarito. Hopkins should have been in the poll aswell, I'm not sure I can ever see him being stopped.

walshb

John Duddy - happy to stand in the middle absorbing bombs for 12 rounds

Gotta' be Toney, close on 80 fights is it, and hardly ever even hurt?
His chin is legendary, as is his defence. He is also up in the
heavyweights and has to take shots from any sized man. This gets him
the nod in my book!

Big Ears

James Toney - Is his chin as big as his mouth ?

walshb wrote: »

Gotta' be Toney, close on 80 fights is it, and hardly ever even hurt?
His chin is legendary, as is his defence. He is also up in the
heavyweights and has to take shots from any sized man. This gets him
the nod in my book!

He can't be rewarded for being fat, if he's fighting heavyweights it's because he can't stay away from the buffet table.

Toney has been floored 3 times and hurt against Sam peter, Danny Batchelder(a natural Light-heavyweight who had him all over the place),and Oquendo who had him hurt in the 10th round. One of those knockdowns was suffered at Middleweight, the other at Super-Middleweight.

Hopkins has a better chin imo.

walshb

John Duddy - happy to stand in the middle absorbing bombs for 12 rounds

Big Ears wrote: »

He can't be rewarded for being fat, if he's fighting heavyweights it's because he can't stay away from the buffet table.

Toney has been floored 3 times and hurt against Sam peter, Danny Batchelder(a natural Light-heavyweight who had him all over the place),and Oquendo who had him hurt in the 10th round. One of those knockdowns was suffered at Middleweight, the other at Super-Middleweight.

Hopkins has a better chin imo.

He suffered a flash KD v Reggie Johnson that was also an 'off balance' FALL as well.
Hurt against Peter? Wow, big deal; Peter is a big hard hitting heavy. I never said Toney
was impervious; but overall; his career simply stands so firm. He has boxed from 160-HW and lets be honest, rarely rarely hurt.


Also, he is NOT near a legitimate heavy and that has to be rewarded too.
He is facing much bigger men naturally whilst he himself is not even in TIP TOP
shape, yet he still has never been stopped.

Marg has a great chin; but he is always at 147 and meets 147 men and is a big big man at the weight.

Hey, I didn't see those other instances with Toney regarding Oquendo and
Batchelder. They on YOUTUBE?

Put Marg in the ring V Middles and LH's whilst being out of shape and fat and see if he lasts?

BHOPs chin is steel!

megadodge

James Toney - Is his chin as big as his mouth ?

Despite the fact that I don't like him I have to say Toney's chin is top notch. Walshb is right in saying that by being able to mix it with heavies many years past his prime he is proving this.

However, I don't think his chin is as good as Margarito's for the simple reason that Margarito takes flush shots very regularly without even blinking whereas Toney's excellent defence means he almost never gets hit flush.

BTW don't forget the knockdown v Jones. Off-balance or not it was still a KD.

I'm also surprised Hopkins isn't in the poll. He's similar to Toney in that his excellent defence means he doesn't get hit cleanly very often, but when he does he can take it.

Big Ears

James Toney - Is his chin as big as his mouth ?

walshb wrote: »

He suffered a flash KD v Reggie Johnson that was also an 'off balance' FALL as well.
Hurt against Peter? Wow, big deal; Peter is a big hard hitting heavy. I never said Toney
was impervious; but overall; his career simply stands so firm. He has boxed from 160-HW and lets be honest, rarely rarely hurt.


Also, he is NOT near a legitimate heavy and that has to be rewarded too.
He is facing much bigger men naturally whilst he himself is not even in TIP TOP
shape, yet he still has never been stopped.

Marg has a great chin; but he is always at 147 and meets 147 men and is a big big man at the weight.

Hey, I didn't see those other instances with Toney regarding Oquendo and
Batchelder. They on YOUTUBE?

Put Marg in the ring V Middles and LH's whilst being out of shape and fat and see if he lasts?

BHOPs chin is steel!

The knockdown in the Johnson fight didn't hurt Toney but I felt Reggie got to him with the follow up a little, Toney wasn't out on his feet or anything but you could see he had been shaken a bit, and that was Middleweight.

You're right he's not a legitimate heavy, but I won't reward him for being fat. There's no doubt if he came in at 180 lbs(which he could) he wouldn't absorb punches the same. His weight helps him take the punches.

I've looked for the Oquendo and Batchedler instances on youtube but unfortunately can't find them, the Batchedler one is the worst I've ever seen him hurt, he was all over the place. Oquendo had him pretty hurt and if he followed up he would of imo forced a stoppage. But Oquendo never follows up, hell Oquendo barely ever gives himself the chance to follow up, he never hurts people.

We can obviously say Margarito's chin wouldn't prove up to it, as that's the most likely scenario, but the man has never been hurt and that's from Lightweight(where he started) to Welterweight. He's only been down once, in a similar knockdown to Johnson v Toney, only difference was Margarito wasn't hurt by a follow up attack.

walshb

John Duddy - happy to stand in the middle absorbing bombs for 12 rounds

megadodge wrote: »

Despite the fact that I don't like him I have to say Toney's chin is top notch. Walshb is right in saying that by being able to mix it with heavies many years past his prime he is proving this.

However, I don't think his chin is as good as Margarito's for the simple reason that Margarito takes flush shots very regularly without even blinking whereas Toney's excellent defence means he almost never gets hit flush.

BTW don't forget the knockdown v Jones. Off-balance or not it was still a KD.

I'm also surprised Hopkins isn't in the poll. He's similar to Toney in that his excellent defence means he doesn't get hit cleanly very often, but when he does he can take it.

I was going to mention that Toney also rarely took FLUSH shots; but that wouldn't really be strengthening my case for him would it?:D

His defence was a major reason too as to why he never has been stopped.
Marg is an excellent choice; but the fact Toney has done it across many weights and when he was never in the best of shape; tips it in his favor.

P4P FLUSH RESISTANT? Yes, Marg may well
have the better chin; but it is not provable!

Toeny was so skillful, he didn't take the flush shots as flush.

ODD-JOB

Joshua Clottey - tougher than a two dollar steak !

I was going to throw Hopkins in , but only for the fact that he dosent get hit clean very often.


Nor does Toney?

Regards

walshb

John Duddy - happy to stand in the middle absorbing bombs for 12 rounds

Big Ears wrote: »

The knockdown in the Johnson fight didn't hurt Toney but I felt Reggie got to him with the follow up a little, Toney wasn't out on his feet or anything but you could see he had been shaken a bit, and that was Middleweight.

You're right he's not a legitimate heavy, but I won't reward him for being fat. There's no doubt if he came in at 180 lbs(which he could) he wouldn't absorb punches the same. His weight helps him take the punches.

I've looked for the Oquendo and Batchedler instances on youtube but unfortunately can't find them, the Batchedler one is the worst I've ever seen him hurt, he was all over the place. Oquendo had him pretty hurt and if he followed up he would of imo forced a stoppage. But Oquendo never follows up, hell Oquendo barely ever gives himself the chance to follow up, he never hurts people.

We can obviously say Margarito's chin wouldn't prove up to it, as that's the most likely scenario, but the man has never been hurt and that's from Lightweight(where he started) to Welterweight. He's only been down once, in a similar knockdown to Johnson v Toney, only difference was Margarito wasn't hurt by a follow up attack.

His added weight does help, as it would with any fighter moving up. It's nature really.
Man, I'd love to see the clip where Toney was really hurt? Maybe playing possum?

Anyway, like I said, Marg is steel.

It is Toney's super defense that also allows him survive.

He is a fighter from all the greats below heavy, that you could well see him
last the distance with ANY MAN EVER...
His chin, awkwardness, ducking, diving, rolling, feinting and all around
skill would see him be a hard nut to crack for any man at any weight at any
time!

Big Ears

James Toney - Is his chin as big as his mouth ?

walshb wrote: »

I was going to mention that Toney also rarely took FLUSH shots; but that wouldn't really be strengthening my case for him would it?:D

His defence was a major reason too as to why he never has been stopped.
Marg is an excellent choice; but the fact Toney has done it across many weights and when he was never in the best of shape; tips it in his favor.

P4P FLUSH RESISTANT? Yes, Marg may well
have the better chin; but it is not provable!

Toeny was so skillful, he didn't take the flush shots as flush.

Toney may have a great record in the past but this poll is about the present, and in 3 out of Toney's last 4 fights he's been hurt, and he was also knocked down in one of those(although not hurt on that occasion) Someone who has been hurt in 3 out of his last 4 fights seems an odd choice for the best chin currently.

Especially when one of those was against Danny Batchedler, a man of similar size to him, who wasn't considered a banger at Super-Middleweight or Light-Heavyweight and yet he had Toney in a similar situation to how Miguel Cotto was against Demarcus Corley.


Edit: Toney was 100% not playing possum, I love to be able to find that clip too, to show it here. I'll have another look at youtube for it. But I reckon I would have got it by now if it's there.

walshb

John Duddy - happy to stand in the middle absorbing bombs for 12 rounds

Big Ears wrote: »

Toney may have a great record in the past but this poll is about the present, and in 3 out of Toney's last 4 fights he's been hurt, and he was also knocked down in one of those(although not hurt on that occasion) Someone who has been hurt in 3 out of his last 4 fights seems an odd choice for the best chin currently.

Especially when one of those was against Danny Batchedler, a man of similar size to him, who wasn't considered a banger at Super-Middleweight or Light-Heavyweight and yet he had Toney in a similar situation to how Miguel Cotto was against Demarcus Corley.

Well, if it is about the present, why not factor in that Toney is now 40 years of age and fighting younger and bigger men. This is a further handicap. Marg aged 30 and meeting men who are always 'smaller.'

So, P4P and age4age, I will stick with James!

Tony Broke

Holy has a great chin, Toney wasn't hit with shots as bad as Holyfield. Holy took massive shots from Foreman, Bowe. Tyson and Lewis and managed to stay up. Toney has a great chin but he's also a defensive based fighter, Holy is a bit too but he's got skills.Holy was ko'd by Bowe and Toney, but he still gets the slight nod.

Its amazing that two guys who fought in the lowers can stand up to and beat huge Heavyweights.Off topic but McCall had the best chin ever imo.

Big Ears

James Toney - Is his chin as big as his mouth ?

walshb wrote: »

Well, if it is about the present, why not factor in that Toney is now 40 years of age and fighting younger and bigger men. This is a further handicap. Marg aged 30 and meeting men who are always 'smaller.'

So, P4P and age4age, I will stick with James!

How does age come into account as a positive ?, we're talking about who has the better chin right now.

Presumely 'for their weightclass' is the only stipulation.

Margarito doesn't always fight smaller men, Paul Williams was bigger and Margarito can make 147 lbs fine, that's not his fault. Maybe if Toney could make 200 lbs he'd get to have his chin ranked in a lower division. But he can't, the man is a heavyweight nowdays and will be judged as such.

It doesn't matter if age is a handicap, it doesn't matter if anything is a handicap, because that handicap is not improving their chin, if anything it's doing the opposite.

Toney is starting to get frequently hurt and stunned in fights at his weightclass. In an overall career sense he has a good chin and you could debate for him to have the best here, however there are certainly better heavyweights with much better chins. Oliver McCall is a machine and takes punches way better than Toney.

I have very little confidence in Toney's chin nowdays and if he took the offer to fight Wladamir Klitschko 2 1/2 years ago(it was after Wlad beat Byrd and Toney got a 'draw' with Rahman), he would of found himself knocked out clean already.

I started debating this in an all-time sense but in truth that's not really what this thread is about. In a current right, here and now situation Toney shouldn't even come close to making the list.

walshb

John Duddy - happy to stand in the middle absorbing bombs for 12 rounds

Big Ears wrote: »

How does age come into account as a positive ?, we're talking about who has the better chin right now.

Presumely 'for their weightclass' is the only stipulation.

Margarito doesn't always fight smaller men, Paul Williams was bigger and Margarito can make 147 lbs fine, that's not his fault. Maybe if Toney could make 200 lbs he'd get to have his chin ranked in a lower division. But he can't, the man is a heavyweight nowdays and will be judged as such.

It doesn't matter if age is a handicap, it doesn't matter if anything is a handicap, because that handicap is not improving their chin, if anything it's doing the opposite.

Toney is starting to get frequently hurt and stunned in fights at his weightclass. In an overall career sense he has a good chin and you could debate for him to have the best here, however there are certainly better heavyweights with much better chins. Oliver McCall is a machine and takes punches way better than Toney.

I have very little confidence in Toney's chin nowdays and if he took the offer to fight Wladamir Klitschko 2 1/2 years ago(it was after Wlad beat Byrd and Toney got a 'draw' with Rahman), he would of found himself knocked out clean already.

I started debating this in an all-time sense but in truth that's not really what this thread is about. In a current right, here and now situation Toney shouldn't even come close to making the list.

Wires crossed here I think; YES, the age does hinder the chin; yet Toney still survives even with the handicap of age. This is what I am saying. Aged 40 and in the heavyweight scene whilst also being out of shape and well past it; and still survives.
This to me is a positive. I understand how it can 'negatively' affect him; but he still
hasn't been stopped, despite all this

I would say Williams was JUST taller; nothing more.

It wasn't like how Cotto looked in against Marg; despite both being welters, Marg looked every
bit bigger!

I see where you are coming from in the 'all time' scheme of things, I agree, we do seem
to be debating it from this viewpoint

walshb

John Duddy - happy to stand in the middle absorbing bombs for 12 rounds

Tony Broke wrote: »

Holy has a great chin, Toney wasn't hit with shots as bad as Holyfield. Holy took massive shots from Foreman, Bowe. Tyson and Lewis and managed to stay up. Toney has a great chin but he's also a defensive based fighter, Holy is a bit too but he's got skills.Holy was ko'd by Bowe and Toney, but he still gets the slight nod.

Its amazing that two guys who fought in the lowers can stand up to and beat huge Heavyweights.Off topic but McCall had the best chin ever imo.

I would even say that Toney didn't KO Holy, he beat him down.
Masterful performance however.

Oliver's chin is so well respected by so many. It's hard to rate him though; because
we always tend to rate the known men in these lists. I bet there are guys out there that most
of us have never seen before with pure steel chins. The journeymen and that sort.

Chuvalo was known and had a super chin.

Ray Mercer is another solid chinned legend

cowzerp

Alfredo Angulo - Another Margarito , bounces hammers off his chin for fun.

i went with mosley