Tika T3 Tactical-v- Sako trg22

BELOWaverageIQ

Hi all,
Sorry that my first post is looking for information, but here goes and many thanks in advance.
I have a CZ.22 and I am a member of a G.C. with long range shooting facilities.
I have been using the 22 for a while and want to move up to something a little more serious.
I am considering the T3 tactical or the Sako TRG , there is obviously quite a considerble cost difference but I am looking at this as a once off purchase.
I suppose my question is has anyone here experience of either firearm and is the Sako worth the extra $. ?
The Main work will be on the range, I do a little hunting but might look at changing the 22 for a 223 or something like that in the future for fox etc.

Thanks again in advance.

Jonty

If you are still considering using it as a hunting/target weapon, the T3 tactical in .223 is hard to beat. The sako TRG isn't available in .223 and is a bit of a heavy rifle for hunting.


Bear in mind that the T3 in .223 might be easier license ie just trade in your existing .22 and amend license there and then. Each district is different.


If you're starting out at target shooting don't forget that you'll need serious optics to get the best out of the rifle. Don't expect to win comps with either rifle with sh1tty glass on top.

Have you considered the steyr SSG series either?

Sparks

Jonty wrote: »

If you're starting out at target shooting don't forget that you'll need serious optics to get the best out of the rifle. Don't expect to win comps with either rifle with sh1tty glass on top.

Unless you're shooting Palma with a .308 and iron sights at over 1000 yards

BELOWaverageIQ

The few dealers that I have spoken to have suggested going down the 308 route, cost of ammo and long range poke etc.
I dont see myself deer hunting too much, so as I had said I may look at changing the 22 to something like a T3LITE in either a 223 or 243.

I'd love to know I anyone has first hand experience of both the Tactical and CRD.

Thanks again.

Jonty

I've got a tactical in .223 with a 24" barrel. I'm very happy with it. The only regret I have is not getting the 20" version. Its highly accuracte. It has no problem lobbing lighter projectiles as well as the heavier ones. It gets a good diet of 50gr Hollow Point american eagles and is a miller on foxes to 250yds.:D

Recoil-wise anybody can shoot it.

I've also got a Sako 75 Varmint in .308 and yes it kicks more but its not uncomfortable, again a good accurate rifle.

I myself would say to go with the .223. I think you'd have more fun with it to start. The .308 ammo is expensive. I'm not saying the .223 match ammo is cheap either, but in terms for bang for buck the 223 is more of a dual role round for you. It can be used fox foxes or targets. The .308 is a bit overkill for foxes.

The .223 is good for 500 yds with good ammo under range conditions.

If you're set on a .308, I'd recommend getting a few shots off one to be sure.

BELOWaverageIQ

thanks Jonty. Food for thought

Jonty

no worries

fish slapped

Just 1 or 2 things there lads, I don't think many FO's will change a .22 licence to a .223 or .243 it would have to be a new application as both in the eyes of the Garda are considered larger calibers. Also if you are looking to keep the .22 and get another rifle for target shooting, a .308 would be better suited as a .223 just doesn't compare on a blustery day at 600, 800 or 1000 meters the .308 also has a wide range of factory ammo available. Just to mix things up a little could I also throw the savage FTR in 6.5 into the pot , link:
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=9935_13987_14246_14288&products_id=100208

BELOWaverageIQ

I think the kick of the 308 is reduced by the actual weigh of the CRD, plus a moderator will help I presume.
They are both beautiful guns but the Sako appears to be a little more awkward looking.
I have been offered a second hand Sako in the green, its his own gun and he claims to have put about 200 through it.

fish slapped

The way I see it is , your only problem is a decent piece of glass and what .308 rounds his sako likes. the sako might seen awkard but can be set to suit you hence is actualy less awkard. buy it & enjoy it
FS.

fodda

Can the Tactical and other heavier barrelled rifles with the 1 in 8 or 9 twist safely fire the military equivelent rounds and i suppose would this also be done in the larger calibers aswell??? I ask this because of the extra thickness of the barrells and if so would it increase the range and versatility slightly of theses guns?

Jonty

fodda wrote: »

Can the Tactical and other heavier barrelled rifles with the 1 in 8 or 9 twist safely fire the military equivelent rounds and i suppose would this also be done in the larger calibers aswell??? I ask this because of the extra thickness of the barrells and if so would it increase the range and versatility slightly of theses guns?

The thickness of the barrels has nothing to do with whether a rifle can fire .223/5.56 Nato or .308/7.62mm. It is not recommended to do it. You will void your warranty if you interchange the rounds.


If you look at any box of ammo it clearly states "only to be used in rifles with similar markings", ie .223 in 5.56 and .308 in 7.62.

Some of the older milspec ammo is also corrosive. It is not very consistent.

The rate of twist is associated with the mass of projectile that can be fired with good stability.

1-12 in .223 is good for 50gr and 1-8 good for 75gr. The higher the rate of twist the heavier the round that can be stabilised.

Rew

Mil ammo is cheap nasty stuff dont know why anyone would want to shoot it. The Army use Lapua Match .308 in their AI's I believe.

tonysopprano

With regard to changing from 22 to 223, Section 11 of the 1964 Act, states that a one on one off can be done as long as the money due is equal to what was paid ie €38 for €38. It does not mention that you need a new application.

derek_g34

Hey there B.A.I.Q.

I was in the exact same position as yourself. I had a .22 but wanted to move up to something a bit meatier. I started out looking at the Remington 700 SPS Tactical and Varmint, followed by the Tikka T3. I ended up getting the TRG 22 in .308 with the phosphatised barrel. It put a serious dent in the bank balance and has had to sit in the safe for a few months. In the mean time I got hold of the emergency battle sights (iron sights). I put my first shots through it only a couple of weeks ago. 1 1/2" groups at 130 metres with the iron sights. Scope will be going on Xmas day (its coming down the chimney):D

My advice. If you can at all afford it, go for it. You will not be dissapointed.

fish slapped

tonysopprano wrote: »

With regard to changing from 22 to 223, Section 11 of the 1964 Act, states that a one on one off can be done as long as the money due is equal to what was paid ie €38 for €38. It does not mention that you need a new application.

Tony I'm not sure what the act says but this seem to be the norm when changing to what they consider a larger caliber. Very very few gardi will change it for you and if they do, sometime later they tend to look to sort it out which can cause a lot of hassle:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055384032
as can be seen here.

IRLConor

fish slapped wrote: »

Tony I'm not sure what the act says but this seem to be the norm when changing to what they consider a larger caliber. Very very few gardi will change it for you and if they do, sometime later they tend to look to sort it out which can cause a lot of hassle:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055384032
as can be seen here.

The legislation says that the Superintendent (or any Garda authorised by the Super) may make the change to the certificate. Unfortunately, there's nothing in the law (that I know of) that would require them to do so.

endasmail

hi ,i have tiika t3 tactical,absolutely love it ,changed over from the .22 to the .223 ,license sent back to district office to be amended,could be wrong hear but arent the sako coming from the same factories as the tikkas,but just cost alot more??

BELOWaverageIQ

yes. They are both made in the same factory, Sako is the parent company as far as I know.
How do you find the .223 tackical on the range. What sort of distance ?

BELOWaverageIQ

Thanks for all the replies.
Any views on what sort of scope to look at ?.. And cost

Jonty

Hard to beat a zeiss conquest 6-5 X 20 X 50 for the .223

fish slapped

Good scope to start with here dont know if its still for sale but would be worth a PM:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055428751

endasmail

i use the tikka mainly for the foxes,does a great job on them ,i set up my own targets stepped out at 2 and 3 hundred yards ,im happy with ,havin a few teething problems with the scope at the minute (dont get a swift scope)

meathshooter

http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek069.html

heres a good article on the trg

derek_g34

Terje makes and sells custom parts for the TRG:

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=838278&p

The piggy bank is seriously nervous lookin:D

BELOWaverageIQ

Oh fek. I think I'll have to pay a visit to the bank manager / credit union / loan shark......
What will I put down on the loan application ! LOL

fish slapped

And that's why the F class picked up the nick name of "the remortgage section of the range" :eek:;)

derek_g34

Home improvements

BELOWaverageIQ

derek_g34 wrote: »

Home improvements

I dont think that will work, by the sounds of things for 2009 they will most likely be reposessing the house !!!!!:P

bunny shooter

tonysopprano wrote: »

With regard to changing from 22 to 223, Section 11 of the 1964 Act, states that a one on one off can be done as long as the money due is equal to what was paid ie €38 for €38. It does not mention that you need a new application.

Very observant of you Unfortunately the Gardai don't seem to agree Don't tell me ask me. I have been involved in a few of these scenarios. It's a re-apply scenario. Although it seems if your goinf to a "smaller" calibre it can be done :rolleyes:

Jonty

bunny shooter wrote: »

Very observant of you Unfortunately the Gardai don't seem to agree Don't tell me ask me. I have been involved in a few of these scenarios. It's a re-apply scenario. Although it seems if your goinf to a "smaller" calibre it can be done :rolleyes:

Like going from a .22lr to .17REM. You could always try arguing that the .223 is only .003 of an inch bigger than the .22, and ask them to do you a favour:D

bunny shooter

Jonty wrote: »

Like going from a .22lr to .17REM. You could always try arguing that the .223 is only .003 of an inch bigger than the .22, and ask them to do you a favour:D

Sometimes the amendments go through. You can go from 22lr to 220 swift but not 223. Not sure who is refusing to amend upwards eg local FO, Super, or the Park? Anyone got any ideas?

tonysopprano

Dropped paperwork with supporting literature into district office on wed, got phone call on fri telling me it was done but to drop into Super for chat. Went Fri afternoon for chat, no real problem, just wanted to put face to name and dot all i's and cross t's. Only concern was security and so I requested CPO call up for inspection. I made call fri to CPO, he called mon, had a look and and he submitted report that afternoon.I then collected ammended licence on tue.

Can be done if you prepare properly and have everthing in order, but I do appreciate that not every station/FO/Super will do it (yet). Knowing the correct sections of the act, proof of proper and regular use/reason, proper security arrangements and a non-beligerent attitude all helped on this one, even though rumour has it that said Super in his last district would licence nothing over D/B shotgun or 22.

Over the past couple of weeks, I have heard of at least 6 people who were called in by their Super for chat(4 different Supers). This is proof that set procedures are being instigated now, with all the furore lately by minister and commissioner being interpreted (rightly or wrongly) as gardai not doing job properly. If this levels the playing field even though it might mean a little more work for us in preparation, then I for one am happy to comply.

bunny shooter

tonysopprano wrote: »

Dropped paperwork with supporting literature into district office on wed, got phone call on fri telling me it was done but to drop into Super for chat. Went Fri afternoon for chat, no real problem, just wanted to put face to name and dot all i's and cross t's. Only concern was security and so I requested CPO call up for inspection. I made call fri to CPO, he called mon, had a look and and he submitted report that afternoon.I then collected ammended licence on tue.

Can be done if you prepare properly and have everthing in order, but I do appreciate that not every station/FO/Super will do it (yet). Knowing the correct sections of the act, proof of proper and regular use/reason, proper security arrangements and a non-beligerent attitude all helped on this one, even though rumour has it that said Super in his last district would licence nothing over D/B shotgun or 22.

Over the past couple of weeks, I have heard of at least 6 people who were called in by their Super for chat(4 different Supers). This is proof that set procedures are being instigated now, with all the furore lately by minister and commissioner being interpreted (rightly or wrongly) as gardai not doing job properly. If this levels the playing field even though it might mean a little more work for us in preparation, then I for one am happy to comply.

Here is hoping for the new year

IRLConor

bunny shooter wrote: »

Sometimes the amendments go through. You can go from 22lr to 220 swift but not 223. Not sure who is refusing to amend upwards eg local FO, Super, or the Park? Anyone got any ideas?

Only the Super or a Garda authorized by the Super (probably the FO) can amend a very so they'd be the only ones who could refuse.

The Park has to do what the local Super says. They don't get to choose what to license or not.