Mayweather talks return in 09 (OFFICAL)

richie rich08

By Mark Vester (Boxingscene.com)



Leonard Ellerbe appears to be making the rounds with news of a possible return by Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 2009. Ellerbe, close friend and adviser to Mayweather, first broke the news to boxing scribe David Mayo - revealing that Floyd is now willing evaluate any and all "big fight offers" that were presented to his team, and then make a decision on a possible return.
Ellerbe has since spoken with Dan Rafael, and provided more details on Floyd's comeback. Mayweather wants to go straight into a megafight. There will be no tune-up. Mayweather has been inactive since a last December's knockout of Ricky Hatton.
"Hell no [to a tuneup]. If Floyd considers something, it would be the biggest thing," Ellerbe said.
The biggest fight for Floyd in terms of money would be against the winner of Manny Pacquiao vs. Ricky Hatton, who are close to deal for a May 2 showdown in Las Vegas.
Ellerbe told Rafael that Mayweather did watch Hatton's win over Paulie Malignaggi in November and watched Pacquiao's knockout of Oscar De La Hoya on December. He was impressed with both wins and praised both fighters. According to Ellerbe, Floyd thought his father [trainer Floyd Mayweather Sr] had improved the skills of Hatton. But, when it came to the subject of fighting Pacquiao, now considered the best pound for pound fighter in the sport, there was a mix of praise and trash talking. Floyd thought the De La Hoya win was tremendous, but also told Ellerbe that he would "beat Pacquiao's ass."
"He did see Hatton's fight and said it was the best Ricky had looked in a long time with his dad [Floyd Mayweather Sr.] training him. He said Ricky looked sharp with his father in the corner. [Floyd said Pacquiao] an excellent fighter and it was a tremendous win," Ellerbe said. "But, Floyd said, 'He's a good fighter, but I'll beat his ass.' "

walshb

richie rich08 wrote: »

By Mark Vester (Boxingscene.com)



Leonard Ellerbe appears to be making the rounds with news of a possible return by Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 2009. Ellerbe, close friend and adviser to Mayweather, first broke the news to boxing scribe David Mayo - revealing that Floyd is now willing evaluate any and all "big fight offers" that were presented to his team, and then make a decision on a possible return.
Ellerbe has since spoken with Dan Rafael, and provided more details on Floyd's comeback. Mayweather wants to go straight into a megafight. There will be no tune-up. Mayweather has been inactive since a last December's knockout of Ricky Hatton.
"Hell no [to a tuneup]. If Floyd considers something, it would be the biggest thing," Ellerbe said.
The biggest fight for Floyd in terms of money would be against the winner of Manny Pacquiao vs. Ricky Hatton, who are close to deal for a May 2 showdown in Las Vegas.
Ellerbe told Rafael that Mayweather did watch Hatton's win over Paulie Malignaggi in November and watched Pacquiao's knockout of Oscar De La Hoya on December. He was impressed with both wins and praised both fighters. According to Ellerbe, Floyd thought his father [trainer Floyd Mayweather Sr] had improved the skills of Hatton. But, when it came to the subject of fighting Pacquiao, now considered the best pound for pound fighter in the sport, there was a mix of praise and trash talking. Floyd thought the De La Hoya win was tremendous, but also told Ellerbe that he would "beat Pacquiao's ass."
"He did see Hatton's fight and said it was the best Ricky had looked in a long time with his dad [Floyd Mayweather Sr.] training him. He said Ricky looked sharp with his father in the corner. [Floyd said Pacquiao] an excellent fighter and it was a tremendous win," Ellerbe said. "But, Floyd said, 'He's a good fighter, but I'll beat his ass.' "

I find it so predictable. Floyd saying that Hatton's skills have improved?
No way, still the same Ricky of OLD. Floyd is simply trying
to make out that an 'easy' rematch with Hatton will be justified. Hatton will
be almost two years older from bout 1. The Mal fight showed nothing about Ricky whatsoever. It simply showed Mal to be pretty crap!

Then he says Pac's win was tremendous, yet says nothing about Oscar being an absolute disgrace. Making out Pac
was tremendous in trying to justify the MEGA fight he can get fighting Pac

dlofnep

In fairness, you can't fault Pacman's performance.

Still, there - There are other fights out there to see.. PBF v Margarito is the fight that needs to happen. It should have been Cotto, but since Margarito derailed him - then why not him?

PBF cares only about the green. He doesn't want to prove himself. Beating Hatton again or a smaller Pacman won't cement his legacy. But beating Margarito would help him. Heck, I'd like to see him fight even an upcomer like Berto.. Or even Paul Williams.. Maybe Clottey. Although they wouldn't sell half as much as a PBF/Hatton II - So I guess money talks.

walshb

dlofnep wrote: »

In fairness, you can't fault Pacman's performance.

Still, there - There are other fights out there to see.. PBF v Margarito is the fight that needs to happen. It should have been Cotto, but since Margarito derailed him - then why not him?

PBF cares only about the green. He doesn't want to prove himself. Beating Hatton again or a smaller Pacman won't cement his legacy. But beating Margarito would help him. Heck, I'd like to see him fight even an upcomer like Berto.. Or even Paul Williams.. Maybe Clottey. Although they wouldn't sell half as much as a PBF/Hatton II - So I guess money talks.

Not at all; but Pac's win, I will take it for what it is; a decent win against a decrepit
Oscar!

richie rich08

dlofnep wrote: »

Still, there - There are other fights out there to see.. PBF v Margarito is the fight that needs to happen. It should have been Cotto, but since Margarito derailed him - then why not him?

PBF cares only about the green. He doesn't want to prove himself. Beating Hatton again or a smaller Pacman won't cement his legacy. But beating Margarito would help him. Heck, I'd like to see him fight even an upcomer like Berto.. Or even Paul Williams.. Maybe Clottey. Although they wouldn't sell half as much as a PBF/Hatton II - So I guess money talks.

This is what i cant unsderstand?
Why the hell should Floyd fight Margarito?
Because Marg destroyed Cotto it should happen?
Thats absolutely ridiclous Maragrito is well overrated and is the size of Middleweight and should be fighting the likes of Kelly Pavlik.
Sure Maragarito wants Pacman now aswell!!
The only thing Margarito has going for him is a vicious uppercut and a granite chin.
He has no skill or class whatsoever,
if floyd fought him it would not attract as many people as Floyd vs Manny or Pac?

Floyd only cares about the green is true at this stage to a certain extent.
But saying he doesnt care about this legacy says to me you just dont like Mayweather.
He has proved everything in the sport,
too real boxing fans he has nothing left to prove.
Being to first to beat Diego Corrales @ 130 and completely destroy everyone who was anyone at that weightdivison says something.
Coming back at critics and defeating Castillo for the second time when some people said he didnt deserve the first win deserves some credit.
Shows heart and demeterination.
The savage beating and skill he showed against N'dou deserves a hell of alot respect.
The vicious and hard to watch beating he gave Arturo Gatti,
The comeback and sheer destruction of the much hyped and former Undisupted Welterweight champion Zab Judah,
moving up to fight Oscar at 154 (oscars prefered eight class) and beating him without having fought one strong light middleweight!!
As he retired then people got on his back about Hatton,
so he comes back KO's Hatton then people start goin on about Cotto and Marg.

Cotto and Marg would be the fights true fans wanna see,
but it dont make sense.
Fighting Pac/Hatton will prob generate twice as much money being the following both these guys have and the sheer hatred people have a floyd will make those fights a success.
Hatton and Pacquiao are household names now,
Miguel Cotto and Anthonio Margarito are not!!!
SIMPLE AS

Floyd has proved everything,
let him comeback and make a few quid he deserves it

walshb

Make a few quid? Well, if suckers wan to pay, so be it; but what I can't understand is how
they hype it as BEST V BEST?

Floyd is a great fighter and if he never comes back; he will go down as a great fighter; but all below 147.

BTW, does he even need the cash? He is milking the system for all
it's worth; but then again, we, the paying public, are he REAL problem

Say what you want about Marg; but at least he will be a real threat. He is
a big and dangerous man and Floyd knows it. So, Floyd opts for the payday
against the blown up feather or the 'has been' Hatton! Fair play
to Floyd if he can pull it off; but don't expect me to be impressed at all!

dlofnep

richie rich08 wrote: »

This is what i cant unsderstand?
Why the hell should Floyd fight Margarito?
Because Marg destroyed Cotto it should happen?

Because he's the #1 ranked Welterweight in the world by every major organisation, including ring magazine? Because it doesn't make sense to rematch Hatton in terms of credible boxing matches?

richie rich08 wrote: »

Thats absolutely ridiclous Maragrito is well overrated and is the size of Middleweight and should be fighting the likes of Kelly Pavlik.

No he's not. If he can make the weight, then he deserves to fight at that weight. He's ranked perfectly fine. He systematically destroyed Cotto, who everyone and their uncle was behind. The same Cotto that many believed would dethrown PBF, if he didn't duck him so much. Or was Cotto overrated aswell now?

Whether you like Margarito or not, while PBF was ducking the likes of Cotto to take on a smaller Hatton - Margarito was fighting the likes of Cotto, Williams, Cintron and Clottey. And that's no disrespect on Hatton, I think he's a cracking fighter.. But he belongs at light-welterweight.

richie rich08 wrote: »

Sure Maragarito wants Pacman now aswell!!

He has that luxury after beating the man PBF didn't fight, Cotto. And if PBF isn't going to fight him, who has he to fight?

richie rich08 wrote: »

The only thing Margarito has going for him is a vicious uppercut and a granite chin.

Stamina, chin, and determination have been good attributes of some of the greats of all time. Marciano, LaMotta and so forth. I think they are pretty good things to have going for him. Good enough to beat Clottey, Cintron and Cotto.

richie rich08 wrote: »

But saying he doesnt care about this legacy says to me you just dont like Mayweather.

As a boxer, I like Floyd. I don't personally care what you think. I think that there are more credible fights for him to fight.

richie rich08 wrote: »

too real boxing fans he has nothing left to prove.

Ah right.. I guess shame on us fake boxing fans for wanting to see him in credible fights rather than circus matches.

richie rich08 wrote: »

Being to first to beat Diego Corrales @ 130 and completely destroy everyone who was anyone at that weightdivison says something.

He has had a very good career. Why tarnish it by fighting circus matches now when he could fight the likes of Cotto or Margarito? They are afterall, the definitive 1 & 2 of the division he once dominated.

walshb

I agree with all points John;

simply, if Floyd wants an easy pay day against a man who will
not really hurt or threaten, go with Haton-Pac

I Floyd wants to beat the BEST 147Lb man and really cement his
legacy, go with Marg...
That is it in a nutshell!

walshb

dlofnep wrote: »

He has had a very good career. Why tarnish it by fighting circus matches now when he could fight the likes of Cotto or Margarito? They are afterall, the definitive 1 & 2 of the division he once dominated.

Well, he could well tarnish the '0' in his record if he meets these guys.
He probably thinks the tarnish from fighting Pac or Hatton is the lesser of two tarnishes!

He gets to keep the perfect '0'

Running Bing

walshb wrote: »

I agree with all points John;

simply, if Floyd wants an easy pay day against a man who will
not really hurt or threaten, go with Haton-Pac

I Floyd wants to beat the BEST 147Lb man and really cement his
legacy, go with Marg...
That is it in a nutshell!

Its not though is it?


I mean if PBF comes back and destroys Margarito surely it will be because Margarito is a classless pug with zero style and nothing but a big punch? Same thing if he comes back and fights Cotto. If he wins it will be "sure thats nothing Margarito gave Cotto a boxing lesson".


Dont know how Pac became a circus match anyway..naturally he's not that much smaller than Floyd, hes P4P no.1 and hes coming off a mighty fine performance (dont care what you say) against a much bigger man.

richie rich08

First of all you say Hatton is a cracking fighter then you go on to say that Mayweather fighting him would be a circus act??
Cmon mate

Floyd is fighting the winner of Hatton vs Pacquiao,
we all know Pac is gonna eat hatton alive and a rematch with hatton will never happen.
Floyd knows that as does Oscar and Bob Arum

I think after seeing Manny beat Oscar the way he did,
whether Oscar was in bad shape or not,
i still think Manny would be a hell of a bigger threat floyd then William, Marg or Cotto ever could be

Its a vicious circle with floyd,
if he fought Cotto people would saying well Marg ate Cotto for dinner he has to beat Marg to get any kind of creditablity.
Floyd goes on to beat Margarito then you have people asking about a fight with Williams,
by the time he is done with Williams there would be a new welterweight people would be screaming for him to square up with!!!

People genuinely dislike floyds attitude and want to see him lose,
in any shape or form.
If he was to fight Anthonio Margarito this year instead of Pacquiao people would be saying he is ducking Pac??
Floyd is going out and fighting the P4P #1
Not some Granite Chinned Brain dead Mexican who only got to #1 in the welterweight divison because Cotto lacks the power to knock him out,
Cotto showed alot more skill in the fight Marg in my opinon.

But anyway think of the whole situation with floyd,
if he fights one hes gonna have to fight another.
Hes doesnt want that!!
Hes coming back to fight the P4P BEST,
what more can he possibly do??

T-K-O

The facts are PBF never beat ANYONE at welter - he proved nothing.

xbox36016

no big show v mayweather remitch:D:D

dlofnep

richie rich08 wrote: »

First of all you say Hatton is a cracking fighter then you go on to say that Mayweather fighting him would be a circus act??
Cmon mate

Hatton is a light-welterweight fighter. He lost convincingly to Mayweather already. Mayweather doesn't prove anything by beating him again. But if he beats Cotto or Margarito - then it's a nice notch on his belt. Surely you can see the merit in fighting the #1 ranked welterweight fighter, opposed to the #1 ranked light welterweight fighter, who he has already beaten?

richie rich08 wrote: »

Floyd is fighting the winner of Hatton vs Pacquiao,
we all know Pac is gonna eat hatton alive and a rematch with hatton will never happen.
Floyd knows that as does Oscar and Bob Arum

We would assume Pacman to be the favourite, based on Hatton not being as big as DLH and more attuned to Pacman. I wouldn't write off Hatton against Pacman however. It will be a competitive fight.

richie rich08 wrote: »

Its a vicious circle with floyd,
if he fought Cotto people would saying well Marg ate Cotto for dinner he has to beat Marg to get any kind of creditablity.

That's why he should fight Margarito, the #1 ranked Welterweight on the planet. He had his chance to fight Cotto already, but opted to fight a smaller Hatton.

richie rich08 wrote: »

Floyd goes on to beat Margarito then you have people asking about a fight with Williams

Williams has moved up to light-middle. But if they fought, I wouldn't be against it. It's a competitive fight. Boxing is all about competitive fights. It's this sort of circus mentality that kept the likes of Aaron Pryor away from title shots.

richie rich08 wrote: »

by the time he is done with Williams there would be a new welterweight people would be screaming for him to square up with!!!

Providing he is retired, then he is perfectly entitled to take a pass at it.. But when he's coming out of retirement for circus fights, then we as boxing fans (or fake boxing fans as you've suggested) - are perfectly entitled to question his camp's decision making.

richie rich08 wrote: »

People genuinely dislike floyds attitude and want to see him lose,
in any shape or form.

I'm sure "people" do. I'm sure other "people" also like Floyd as a boxer and like to watch him fight.

richie rich08 wrote: »

If he was to fight Anthonio Margarito this year instead of Pacquiao people would be saying he is ducking Pac??

No they wouldn't. The intelligent boxing fans would see it for what it is. One great welterweight fighter, fighting the #1 ranked welterweight in the world. A perfectly sensical matchup.

richie rich08 wrote: »

Floyd is going out and fighting the P4P #1

A P4P #1 who's natural weight class is 20lbs less than Mayweather. Who's reach is 5 inches less than Mayweather and who is 2 inches shorter than Mayweather.

richie rich08 wrote: »

Not some Granite Chinned Brain dead Mexican who only got to #1 in the welterweight divison because Cotto lacks the power to knock him out,
Cotto showed alot more skill in the fight Marg in my opinon.

A brain dead mexican who stopped a man Mayweather ducked because of his punching power. For all the power Cotto lacked, it was enough for him to knock out 26 people of his 32 wins. A near 80% KO ratio. There was nothing wrong with his power at all. Margarito pulled through, through determination and guts. He played a tactiful game and STOPPED Cotto. Something never accomplished before.

I love how you play off Margarito's destruction of Cotto. He won because he was the better fighter. Simple as.

richie rich08 wrote: »

Hes coming back to fight the P4P BEST,
what more can he possibly do??

I don't know, fight someone that's not 20lbs lighter than him, with 5 inches less reach than him? Let's say, the #1 ranked fighter at welterweight perhaps?

richie rich08

dlofnep wrote: »

Hatton is a light-welterweight fighter. He lost convincingly to Mayweather already. Mayweather doesn't prove anything by beating him again. But if he beats Cotto or Margarito - then it's a nice notch on his belt. Surely you can see the merit in fighting the #1 ranked welterweight fighter, opposed to the #1 ranked light welterweight fighter, who he has already beaten?

I know he proves nothing by fighting hatton again when did i say he would?

We would assume Pacman to be the favourite, based on Hatton not being as big as DLH and more attuned to Pacman. I wouldn't write off Hatton against Pacman however. It will be a competitive fight.

Ever seen Hatton vs Callazo??

That's why he should fight Margarito, the #1 ranked Welterweight on the planet. He had his chance to fight Cotto already, but opted to fight a smaller Hatton.

The difference between Hatton and Mayweather wasnt that great,
as i keep saying and you keep failing to realise that Hatton creates bigger buys, he has the whole backing of the Uk and allover the world,
Cotto would nowhere near be as popular as Hatton.
They was more money to be made fighting Hatton, its the way the mayweather camp works

Providing he is retired, then he is perfectly entitled to take a pass at it.. But when he's coming out of retirement for circus fights, then we as boxing fans (or fake boxing fans as you've suggested) - are perfectly entitled to question his camp's decision making.

Yes you are intitled to question his camps decison making,
i would myself prefer to see floyd fighting Cotto or Marg but all i am saying which you are failing to realise is that i can see why they are picking Manny over anyone else

I'm sure "people" do. I'm sure other "people" also like Floyd as a boxer and like to watch him fight.

:rolleyes:

No they wouldn't. The intelligent boxing fans would see it for what it is. One great welterweight fighter, fighting the #1 ranked welterweight in the world. A perfectly sensical matchup.

Lets be honest, there are not as many intelligent boxing fans as there are just people who watch the big fights (this forum shows that) only messing.
But seriously tho, is it so hard to realise why he is taking these fights?
I mean do u honestly believe that Floyd vs Marg would generate more buys then Floyd vs Manny??
Be lucky to get half way as close,
it dont matter what intelligent boxing fans like you or me want anymore,
its all about the GREEN unfortunately,
they will make more money of "theres only one ricky hatton crowd" then they will you or I anyday

A P4P #1 who's natural weight class is 20lbs less than Mayweather. Who's reach is 5 inches less than Mayweather and who is 2 inches shorter than Mayweather.

True, but that didnt really come into play against Oscar. Although floyd still had a longer reach then oscar.
All i can say is floyd prefers fighting taller fighters so i believe?

I love how you play off Margarito's destruction of Cotto. He won because he was the better fighter. Simple as.

Stonger fighter, not better fighter, if a rematch happens.
I would guarantee Cotto by UD

I don't know, fight someone that's not 20lbs lighter than him, with 5 inches less reach than him? Let's say, the #1 ranked fighter at welterweight perhaps?

MONEY= MANNY
CREDITABLITY= MARGARITO

MAYWEATHER=MONEY
therefore
MAYWEATHER VS PACQUIAO

Hangballlouie

dlofnep wrote: »

Hatton is a light-welterweight fighter. He lost convincingly to Mayweather already. Mayweather doesn't prove anything by beating him again. But if he beats Cotto or Margarito - then it's a nice notch on his belt. Surely you can see the merit in fighting the #1 ranked welterweight fighter, opposed to the #1 ranked light welterweight fighter, who he has already beaten?



We would assume Pacman to be the favourite, based on Hatton not being as big as DLH and more attuned to Pacman. I wouldn't write off Hatton against Pacman however. It will be a competitive fight.



That's why he should fight Margarito, the #1 ranked Welterweight on the planet. He had his chance to fight Cotto already, but opted to fight a smaller Hatton.



Williams has moved up to light-middle. But if they fought, I wouldn't be against it. It's a competitive fight. Boxing is all about competitive fights. It's this sort of circus mentality that kept the likes of Aaron Pryor away from title shots.



Providing he is retired, then he is perfectly entitled to take a pass at it.. But when he's coming out of retirement for circus fights, then we as boxing fans (or fake boxing fans as you've suggested) - are perfectly entitled to question his camp's decision making.



I'm sure "people" do. I'm sure other "people" also like Floyd as a boxer and like to watch him fight.



No they wouldn't. The intelligent boxing fans would see it for what it is. One great welterweight fighter, fighting the #1 ranked welterweight in the world. A perfectly sensical matchup.



A P4P #1 who's natural weight class is 20lbs less than Mayweather. Who's reach is 5 inches less than Mayweather and who is 2 inches shorter than Mayweather.



A brain dead mexican who stopped a man Mayweather ducked because of his punching power. For all the power Cotto lacked, it was enough for him to knock out 26 people of his 32 wins. A near 80% KO ratio. There was nothing wrong with his power at all. Margarito pulled through, through determination and guts. He played a tactiful game and STOPPED Cotto. Something never accomplished before.

I love how you play off Margarito's destruction of Cotto. He won because he was the better fighter. Simple as.



I don't know, fight someone that's not 20lbs lighter than him, with 5 inches less reach than him? Let's say, the #1 ranked fighter at welterweight perhaps?

Nice reply which I agree with fully.
My biggest concern on this thread is the utter disrespect for Margarito.
Have any of the guys slating him even seen the guy fight?
Skill can only get you so far in this game, Heart and courage are whats needed when the chips are down, ask Cotto.

dlofnep

richie rich08 wrote: »

Stonger fighter, not better fighter, if a rematch happens.
I would guarantee Cotto by UD

Stronger, in what way? He's not physically stronger.

He won the fight because he is a better fighter. You're really going out of your way to discredit him. He gets the job done. Whether it looks pretty or not doesn't matter. A win is a win. He stopped Cotto. He's doing something right.

Margarito proved he is the better fighter. How? By stopping the fighter and beating him convincingly. A bit of clarity, please.

richie rich08

dlofnep wrote: »

Stronger, in what way? He's not physically stronger.

He won the fight because he is a better fighter. You're really going out of your way to discredit him. He gets the job done. Whether it looks pretty or not doesn't matter. A win is a win. He stopped Cotto. He's doing something right.

Margarito proved he is the better fighter. How? By stopping the fighter and beating him convincingly. A bit of clarity, please.

Margarito is hell of alot stronger then cotto!
Obviously you werent watching the same fight as i was!

Margarito is a hell of alot bigger and should be fighting at least light middleweight.
The size difference between himself and cotto was ridiclous,
with cotto 5"7 in height and marg being 5"11,
cotto has a reach of 67" and marg having a reach of 73".
People seemed to forget that.

Im not trying to beat down on Margarito,
its not that i dislike the guy he is extremely tough and has a great upper and has a hell of alot of determination thats all i credit him for.
Hes without a doubt the toughest guy lacing a pair of boots at the moment.
Cotto was boxing the hell out of Margarito. He was stickin him, throwing combinations, out pointing him, moving...the whole 9 yards.
His Granite chin and determination won him that fight.

I mean could you honestly see Margarito beating Floyd??
There's no way I could see him beating Floyd Mayweather. No way, not possible at all. Margarito gets hit way too much and at times just lunges in blindly when he's being the aggressor. I didn't find his win over Cintron to be impressive at all. He simply pushed and pushed until Cintron quit. That might be how you beat the weak-hearted Cintron, but it's not how you beat Floyd. The harder you try, the harder Floyd hurts you with counters.

T-K-O

I remember watching that fight on Holidays, Margairito and Cotto are very similar strength wise. I just think Margo can take more punishment that Cotto. Both of these guys would be a really tough fight for PBF.

We still do not know how PBF would deal with a proper welter weight.

cowzerp

Margarito was great against Cotto, he put the pressure on in combinations and took some good shots and beat the favourite well.

Mayweather needs to fight Margarito, Cotto and Manny deserves a go too, Manny would be the money way to go and they should get in while its hot! its a business and this is nothing new.

then if Margarito is still number 1 he's next in line and then Cotto should be ready to reclaim his spot and challenge the winner.

All 3 fights would be competitive in my opinion but Mayweathers skills should be enough for him to beat them all..Then there is many more who could fight floyd if he sticks around, Williams, Cintron, Hatton 2, to name but 3.

megadodge

Richie, whatever about the "who should/shouldn't he fight", I'm seriously unimpressed with your comments on Margarito.

Here is a welterweight who has been making the welterweight limit for years and obviously still makes it comfortably and you're using the old "he's really a light-middleweight" crap to put down an absolutely fantastic win over the brilliant Miguel Cotto.

I suppose Tommy Hearns shouldn't have been allowed box at welter either, I mean he was 6'1" !!

They're not called "height" divisions they're "weight" divisions !! If you can make the weight make it, if you can't move up. Simple as.

As for "guaranteeing" a Cotto UD in a rematch, how do you guarantee anything in a boxing match ? Particularly when you're going against a decisive result in a brilliantly competitive first match. I'm not saying Cotto won't win, but "guaranteeing" is like saying the first was a total fluke and couldn't possibly happen again.

Professional boxing is about an awful lot more than skill, Antonio Margarito (and countless others) is living proof of that.

In relation to Floyd/Margarito, if you take the Castillo matches as a blueprint of how to beat Floyd (Castillo most definitely deserved the first match) well who better to execute that sort of a gameplan than Margarito, except he's even bigger, stronger and faster, which is why so many "real" boxing fans really, really want to see that match.

Floyd is already a great fighter, but a win over Margarito would really count when putting him right up there in the top 10 of all time.

walshb

Biggest downfall is that Floyd will not hurt or deter Marg. Floyd doesn't
hit hard enough at all. He will be constantly on the move and running in this bout.
He will not even be able to do a Corralles on Marg. Marg is too strong and relentless.

I would favor Marg to beat Floyd at 147. Floyd is quite ordinary at this weight!
He's far from strong or natural at it.

I would much rather see Floyd-Marg than Floyd-Pac/Hatton 2

Look a how Cotto was made run run run throughout; and IMO, Cotto boxed
beautifully on the move, he just couldn't STOP or HURT Marg, and that
was the difference.

Hell, one only needs to look at this bout and SUB Floyd for Cotto.

Cotto showed a side to him, that I didn't think he possessed; beautiful
RING generalship

Running Bing

T-K-O wrote: »

The facts are PBF never beat ANYONE at welter - he proved nothing.

What?


Never beat anyone at Welter? except for Mitchell, Judah, Hatton and Baldomir (and thats not even taking into account DLH at 154):rolleyes:

walshb

Babybing wrote: »

What?


Never beat anyone at Welter? except for Mitchell, Judah, Hatton and Baldomir (and thats not even taking into account DLH at 154):rolleyes:

Ok, look at them names again closely!:)

T-K-O

Babybing wrote: »

What?


Never beat anyone at Welter? except for Mitchell, Judah, Hatton and Baldomir (and thats not even taking into account DLH at 154):rolleyes:

I repeat he never beat ANYONE at welter.