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Does LS blade colour matter??

  • 18-12-2008 2:50am
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭


    Something occurred to me while discussing Star Wars in the games thread. A lot of people are very particular about a Sith having to use a red lightsaber crystal, and Jedi's not using red...This is something I considered. I think being Jedi or Sith has a lot more to do than the colour of one's saber, and is something I think shouldn't be taken into account at all. If a Jedi uses a red lightsaber, what of it - the Order is not about accessorising appropriately. If Yoda used a red lightsaber would it have made him any less of a Jedi?? Various Sith didn't use a red blade - is it just the Jedi, and a good lash of Star Wars fans, that seem to be obsessed with colour coordination??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭V9


    I don't think so tbh. If ya played Jedi Knight, the seven dark jedi in that had various saber colours. Its all just a visual thing in the movies to distinguish the goodies from the baddies. I would have liked more saber colours in the prequals though, yellow, more purple blades etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,885 ✭✭✭Stabshauptmann


    Wasnt it something to do with where they got their crystals?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭evil-monkey


    Wasnt it something to do with where they got their crystals?

    Don't know about that.

    Sure, let's not forget, Darth Vader used a blue blade for a spell...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭dade


    Wasnt it something to do with where they got their crystals?

    IIRC the red blade is to do with how the Sith create the crystal. they use synthetic crystals instead of naturally occurring ones or something like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭cotwold


    dade wrote: »
    IIRC the red blade is to do with how the Sith create the crystal. they use synthetic crystals instead of naturally occurring ones or something like that.

    Yeah you're right, the sith make their crystals and the jedi go on a type of pilgrimage as padawans to get their crystal


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    When Episode 2 came out, there were ad's for it on TV showing off the main characters, and then their lightsabres.

    E.g Obi Wan - Crystal Lightsabre.

    I think Mace Windu used an "electrum" lightsabre.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I think Mace Windu used an "electrum" lightsabre.

    The colour of Mace Windu's sabre has less to do with it's crystal, and a good deal more to do with the ego of Samuel L Jackson. As part of his terms for appearing in the prequel trilogy, he required that his light-sabre be a different colour to everyone else's.

    That...and he also wanted a cool death.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_Windu


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Flaccus


    Doesn't the colour of the blade depend on what crystal the jedi uses to construct his sabre. And these as far as I know the crystals are supposed to be rare. Typically the jedis mine a few worlds whose crystals tend to give a blue or green color to the sabre, and so they tend to be associated with that color by the general public. While the original sith lords tended to have an abundance of red cyrstals on their home world so became known for using red sabres.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Also, if you read a lot of the novels that were written in the years prior to the prequels, there are references to Jedi using many different colours of lightsabre.

    As far as I remember, in one of the Kevin J. Anderson books, "Champions of the Force", different coloured lightsabres even feature on the cover art of the book!

    This was a surprising error in the continuity of the series, which is usually pretty controlled by Lucas Inc.

    Not sure how it's panned out since, but I do know that Lucas was keen to have Jedi use blue / green and Dark Jedi / Sith use red.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Oh and on another note, I did read an interesting theory once that the colour lightsabre a Jedi used depended on which path he followed.

    Blue lightsabres were for adherents of the "Unifying Force".

    Green lightsabres were used by those who followed the path of the "Living Force".

    To the best of my knowledge, it was a theory debunked a long time ago, but would have been interesting had it been canon.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭cotwold


    Well i remember in Knights of the old republic the blade colour you're assigned depend on your role in the jedi order, warrior, guardian etc

    But... i also remeber a discussion between george lucas and samuel jackson in which sj said he'd only do epsiode 2 if his lightsaber could be purple and gl was like no theres only 3 colours but cave in the end.

    There seems to be alot of inconsitancies in the lightsabre canon.

    One of the more obvious ones being in the originals how the wielded the lightsabers as if they were heavey katana and now how they appear to be very light.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭cotwold


    Well i remember in Knights of the old republic the blade colour you're assigned depend on your role in the jedi order, warrior, guardian etc

    But... i also remeber a discussion between george lucas and samuel jackson in which sj said he'd only do epsiode 2 if his lightsaber could be purple and gl was like no theres only 3 colours but cave in the end.

    There seems to be alot of inconsitancies in the lightsabre canon.

    One of the more obvious ones being in the originals how the wielded the lightsabers as if they were heavey katana and now how they appear to be very light.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    going by Jedi Academy the Red sabre is stonger then any other colour. Blue and Green are alot faster.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


    Rawr wrote: »
    The colour of Mace Windu's sabre has less to do with it's crystal, and a good deal more to do with the ego of Samuel L Jackson. As part of his terms for appearing in the prequel trilogy, he required that his light-sabre be a different colour to everyone else's.

    That...and he also wanted a cool death.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_Windu

    That's not true. He did ask for a different colour sabre but hardly had it written into his contract. The fact that SLJ lobbied (or begged) to have any role in the prequels shows he didn't really have any position to call terms in the movies. He was just happy to be part of it (I wasn't as happy tho).

    To answer the original question the fact that SLJ was just given a new colour 'just like that' shows that "no it doesn't really matter" and I'm sure Lucas would pick sabres of any colour and assign them to 'whomever' so long as they photograph well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭glenjamin


    Jackson wanted purple as it was his favourite colour. He asked Lucas for it just like he asked M. Night Shyamalan for his character to wear purple in Unbreakable. I hardly doubt he would have backed out of the films if he didn't get his way.

    I think you guys are reading too much into this. Red is given to Siths because it makes them look evil, thats all. If a Sith used a green lightsaber it wouldn't matter at all. He'd just look like a Jedi.

    Originally there was only going to be 3 lightsabers colours. Then Jackson asked for purple and then Lucas went for yellow as seen in The Force Unleashed.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Personally though, I like the fact that Mace had the purple lightsabre. He's a great character, and I think deserved to stand out a little in the movies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭dade


    glenjamin wrote: »
    Red is given to Siths because it makes them look evil, thats all. .

    but the story behind why all sith user red by default is that the crystals are synthetic instead of forged naturally and meditated on by the Jedi.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


    dade wrote: »
    but the story behind why all sith user red by default is that the crystals are synthetic instead of forged naturally and meditated on by the Jedi.

    Nobody (in their right mind) cares.

    I've seen the movies hundreds of times and I couldn't care less who has what colour or why a sabre glows red instead of green. It's all just extraneous nonsense dreamt up to sell books to obsessives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭glenjamin


    Exactly! Lucas choose red cos it would be easy to identify the bad guy. It probably wasn't until 20 years later or whatever when he decided to put a story behind a Sith/Jedi and their crystal. I get the feeling here that some of you actually believe that Star Wars is real and that every question must have an answer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭evil-monkey


    Pigman II wrote: »
    Nobody (in their right mind) cares.

    I've seen the movies hundreds of times and I couldn't care less who has what colour or why a sabre glows red instead of green. It's all just extraneous nonsense dreamt up to sell books to obsessives.
    glenjamin wrote: »
    Exactly! Lucas choose red cos it would be easy to identify the bad guy. It probably wasn't until 20 years later or whatever when he decided to put a story behind a Sith/Jedi and their crystal. I get the feeling here that some of you actually believe that Star Wars is real and that every question must have an answer.

    :rolleyes: I don't see what the problem with discussions like this, they pass a few minutes here and there. If ye think they're a waste of time then leave us to it. We're not doing anything out of the way.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


    :rolleyes: I don't see what the problem with discussions like this, they pass a few minutes here and there. If ye think they're a waste of time then leave us to it. We're not doing anything out of the way.

    I've no problem with you discussing it. I'm just making the point that it is a completely irrelevant issue.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Pigman II wrote: »
    Nobody (in their right mind) cares.

    I've seen the movies hundreds of times and I couldn't care less who has what colour or why a sabre glows red instead of green. It's all just extraneous nonsense dreamt up to sell books to obsessives.

    So what? Nothing wrong with being a fan of the franchise, and if you want a little backstory to explain things, there's absolutely no harm in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭glenjamin


    We're not criticising the backstory of Star Wars, all we're saying is that initially the colours of the lightsabers were made to easily point out who was good and who was bad. Jackson wanted purple so he got purple. Lucas then, and only then, wrote sumthing in the Star Wars history books about how and where different colour lightsabers come from. Theres nothing wrong with being interested in all that kind of stuff, on the contrary I quite enjoy rummaging through the depths of Wookiepedia ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭dade


    Pigman II wrote: »
    I've no problem with you discussing it. I'm just making the point that it is a completely irrelevant issue.

    it was relevant enough for someone to ask about it. i felt it was relevant to give the theory on it. maybe as Druss Rua said it's to do with the path they fallow, didn't Obi Wan have a blue one and Qui gon have green? both of these Jedi followed different paths of the force, and Mace windu may have followed a different one, something do to do with those shatter points
    glenjamin wrote: »
    We're not criticising the backstory of Star Wars, all we're saying is that initially the colours of the lightsabers were made to easily point out who was good and who was bad. Jackson wanted purple so he got purple. Lucas then, and only then, wrote sumthing in the Star Wars history books about how and where different colour lightsabers come from. Theres nothing wrong with being interested in all that kind of stuff, on the contrary I quite enjoy rummaging through the depths of Wookiepedia ;)

    actually it was before the prequel moves that the idea of meditating on the gems came about. Druss Rua mentioned Kevin J Anderson's novels they came out long before the new movies. not sure if it was them or in the Thrawn trilogy that it was mentioned i haven't read them in so long,but that was a good few years before the new trilogy was even mentioned.

    also did Luke not have a green lightsaber in the ROTJ movie? long before Jackson wanted a purple one. maybe Lucas was just playing with technology, maybe the red and blue colour were all he could make in 77


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭evil-monkey


    Pigman II wrote: »
    I've no problem with you discussing it. I'm just making the point that it is a completely irrelevant issue.

    How is it irrelevant?? I wanted to discuss it - does that not make it relevant no??
    glenjamin wrote: »
    We're not criticising the backstory of Star Wars, all we're saying is that initially the colours of the lightsabers were made to easily point out who was good and who was bad.

    Things have changed a lot since the films were "initially" released.
    glenjamin wrote: »
    Theres nothing wrong with being interested in all that kind of stuff, on the contrary I quite enjoy rummaging through the depths of Wookiepedia ;)

    Right, well in that case dispense with comments like "some people here think that Star Wars" is real.
    dade wrote: »
    it was relevant enough for someone to ask about it.

    Thank you Dade
    dade wrote: »
    maybe as Druss Rua said it's to do with the path they fallow, didn't Obi Wan have a blue one and Qui gon have green? both of these Jedi followed different paths of the force, and Mace windu may have followed a different one, something do to do with those shatter points

    Very true.

    Can anyone think of a long term Sith that consistently used a blade that wasn't red??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭glenjamin


    Can anyone think of a long term Sith that consistently used a blade that wasn't red??

    Exar Kun tyvm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭evil-monkey


    glenjamin wrote: »
    Exar Kun tyvm.

    /bows head. Any particular reason why he didn't go for the red?? Does that mean it is purely down to dressing to look the part??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭glenjamin


    /bows head. Any particular reason why he didn't go for the red?? Does that mean it is purely down to dressing to look the part??

    Not too sure. He was a Jedi who turned into a dark jedi who turned into a Sith. All I'm saying is that red is usually a colour associated darkness, evil, all that kinda stuff. Easy to distinguish whos good and whos bad. Of course there was going to be history behind it to give the colour a meaning. I doubt the original Sith lord thought that but the writers did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭irishthump


    Jedi use blue and green, Sith use red. That's just the way it is.....:)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭dade


    irishthump wrote: »
    Jedi use blue and green, Sith use red. That's just the way it is.....:)

    no mace used purple and if the old action figures are anything to go by did Luke not have yellow at one point ;)


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