Dublin Airport Terminal 2 [Merged]

darkman2

Regarding the new terminal at DA - it seems to be literally flying up atm but will it really improve passenger experience at DA all that much or is it just fancy wallpaper being put over serious cracks with the Airport's general infrastructure? Do you think the terminal design is acceptable? Is it big enough? Will it meet the needs of passengers that are quite frankly fed up with their experience of DA? Will it really make us see Dublin Airport as anything more then a national embarrasment after it is finished?


Anyway - as I say swift progress being made






More photos here http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/TDA/Image_Bank/t2_construction_gallery.html


What do you think?

OPENROAD

I'm sure this has already been covered but what is happening to the current pier c, looking at images it seems new terminal is right on top of pier c.

darkman2

OPENROAD wrote: »

I'm sure this has already been covered but what is happening to the current pier c, looking at images it seems new terminal is right on top of pier c.

It is - in fact you could say we are losing a pier to build another pier which must, surely, eliminate somewhat the benefits of T2??? There might be more passenger space in T2 main building but the number of new aircraft stands will actually not be as much when you factor in building over pier C. I cant understand that myself.


Says it all

http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/images/aerial_view_1.jpg

Net benefit - marginal as Pier E is only a little bit longer then Pier C was.


I actually wonder is it a coincidence that the DAA are applying now for an extension to the new Pier D already??

OPENROAD

Excellent image.

Does seem a bit strange all right and you are indeed correct re aircraft stands.

darkman2

OPENROAD wrote: »

Excellent image.

Does seem a bit strange all right and you are indeed correct re aircraft stands.

Not only that wait till you hear this


---- apparently only the stands on the right hand side of Pier E on that image will be able to take wide bodied aircraft - thats only, what? 8 in total? Welcome to Ireland;)

Davidth88

I said this before , it always seemed strange that the then newest part of the airport ( pier c ) has been knocked to build T2.

I was shot down by someone who said that pier c was badly designed because aircraft could only park one side of it, something that Ill be honest hadn't occured to me, I just knew that pier C was comfortable compared to the joke at piers A/B.

I still think the terminal is in the wrong place , I think there are other parties saying this too. Why build this next to the existing terminal so all the ground traffic is concentrated in the one place , why not where the Boot Inn is , and indeed where they ( DAA ) seem to have built a new apron.

Now I know there is the issue of the Metro ( if it ever gets built as this seems in doubt now ) but couldn't this be overcome.

The traffic getting into/out of the airport right now is horrible , think what this will be like with two terminals, and if DAA get the go ahead for the ' city ' they want ??

peter1892

The traffic situation is pretty dire right now, and the signage around the car park is awful too, no-one seems to know where to go.

I still think the terminal is in the wrong place , I think there are other parties saying this too. Why build this next to the existing terminal so all the ground traffic is concentrated in the one place , why not where the Boot Inn is , and indeed where they ( DAA ) seem to have built a new apron.

Isn't that the McEvaddy land though? Yes it would have made sense to build out there - access could be provided from the N2, sadly that's now highly unlikely to happen.

dogmatix

I think the overall design and layout of the airport is bad and I think the new terminal will only offer a marginal improvement - if even that.

And from a looks point of view the whole complex is a rotten eyesore - the people in DAA must have no eye for looks. I have to say I do like the look of the new terminal design but given the surroundings it's looks will probably be swallowed up in the overall complex's crappiness.

I know this has been mentioned before - but it might have been better to simply move the airport to a more central location (Mullingar or tullamore etc), build proper motorway and rail links to it and it would then serve a much larger catchment area.

They could have started from scratch - maybe get Lord Foster in to do the design, he seems to like doing airports.

peter1892

dogmatix wrote: »

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I know this has been mentioned before - but it might have been better to simply move the airport to a more central location (Mullingar or tullamore etc), build proper motorway and rail links to it and it would then serve a much larger catchment area.

The population centre of this country is Dublin, and if you look at the airport site on a map you can see that it is pretty well located with regard to transport links. Do the whole thing correctly & it should all function pretty well. In theory

To be honest, I wouldn't care if it was an eyesore so long as it worked efficiently. Ever been to Geneva? Nothing special in terms of looks but it's a great airport to fly in & out of.

Run_to_da_hills

Have the made a start on the monorail yet that will link up the second terminal?

peter1892

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Have the made a start on the monorail yet that will link up the second terminal?

That's more of a Shelbyville idea...

OPENROAD

Will be sad to see pier C go, will be interested to see which airlines will use new terminal, I hope bmi will use it,and there business lounge is close by. Very handy at the moment.


What is the situation with the new rail service, will each terminal be served by a rail link, at one stage wasn't the rail link only going to go the airport entrance.

darkman2

The metro will now go on to Swords but the Airport stop will be at the T1 coach park at the front.


BTW I know there is a connection to T1 via a pedestrian corridor from T2 but where does this one go on the right?


http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/images/T2_ext1.jpg

peter1892

darkman2 wrote: »

BTW I know there is a connection to T1 via a pedestrian corridor from T2 but where does this one go on the right?


http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/images/T2_ext1.jpg

Do you mean the connection from T2 to the thingy with the escalator? That's going into the proposed T2 car park.

sparrowcar

peter1892 wrote: »

The population centre of this country is Dublin, and if you look at the airport site on a map you can see that it is pretty well located with regard to transport links. Do the whole thing correctly & it should all function pretty well. In theory

To be honest, I wouldn't care if it was an eyesore so long as it worked efficiently. Ever been to Geneva? Nothing special in terms of looks but it's a great airport to fly in & out of.

Oh my God are you insane. I work in Dublin airport and i've flown through Geneva 4 times and it gets worse every time.

Deacon Blues

Interesting image above. Love the BA 777. And the Aer Lingus 330's with the Harp on the fin. Looks like Ryanair are getting their longhaul fleet after all

peter1892

sparrowcar wrote: »

Oh my God are you insane. I work in Dublin airport and i've flown through Geneva 4 times and it gets worse every time.

Not insane, it's a well run efficient airport. I've only flown through it 3 times though... :rolleyes:

darkman2

New Aircraft Parking Stands Handed Over


The second phase of the huge Apron 6 development at Dublin Airport was handed over last Friday, June 20.

Apron Phase 6A was constructed as part of the €2 billion Transforming Dublin Airport programme and is the largest apron development project undertaken in the history of the DAA/Aer Rianta. The new apron area is located beyond the cross wind runway, close to the Fire Station at Dublin Airport. It has parking spaces for up to 13 additional short haul aircraft or alternatively an extra six aircraft stands for larger long-haul planes.

In total, 95,000 square meters or 24 acres of concrete was used to build Apron 6A. The new apron area was built by Clare Civil Engineering, under the management of the DAA's airfield construction team. Phase 6A is one of three new apron areas being built close to the Fire Station at Dublin Airport.

Apron Phase 6B, which can be seen in the foreground of the above photograph, is scheduled to be completed in early August. When complete, it will deliver an extra two parking stands for short-haul aircraft. Apron 6C, and its eight new parking stands, became operational in April.

June 23, 2008

Terminal 1 extension



http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/images/T1X-over-ramp.jpg

http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/images/map_TX1.jpg

FunkyDa

Pier C, this morning.

bringitdown

My biggest gripe was the destruction of Pier C.

In effect Pier C was a complete total and utter waste of money

Maybe I am wrong did its 'brief' existance have a net ROI for DAA ... ?

/I still have plenty of gripes about T2 ...

Fratton Fred

Rather than build the new pier D half way to Belfast, would it not have made sense to build a new terminal ther, with it's own entrance road and even its own stop on the metro?

Pier D seems to be a new terminal built at a fraction of the cost (And why are there still portacibins for departure gates there?)

Tenger

Deacon Blues wrote: »

Interesting image above. Love the BA 777. And the Aer Lingus 330's with the Harp on the fin. Looks like Ryanair are getting their longhaul fleet after all

Notice the 2 different shades of green on the aircraft? One with an EI shamrock and one with a harp. Think a graphic designer was having a bit of fun with the image.

darkman2

Pic on flickr of new terminal now.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/34886552@N00/2658441544/sizes/o/

I drove near the airport today and it looks higher then the existing terminal but will be narrower. Bye Bye Pier C.......


Since we are losing Pier C why are they calling the new Pier - 'Pier E'? Should be Pier C.

Fratton Fred

darkman2 wrote: »

Pic on flickr of new terminal now.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/34886552@N00/2658441544/sizes/o/

I drove near the airport today and it looks higher then the existing terminal but will be narrower. Bye Bye Pier C.......


Since we are losing Pier C why are they calling the new Pier - 'Pier E'? Should be Pier C.

I was thinking that this morning. the actual building looks a lot smaller than the artists impressions seem to suggest.

Have they issued an overview of the access roads yet?

darkman2

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I was thinking that this morning. the actual building looks a lot smaller than the artists impressions seem to suggest.

Have they issued an overview of the access roads yet?

I think in the pictures only half the back portion of the building's steel has been put up so far. The building will basically extend to the end of Pier C so roughly twice the width of what has been put up already.


If you go through the airport you can see the roads are being realligned to the right of the construction site on your way in. So wont be long till they shift the traffic to the front of the construction site. They have to do this because of the terminal bridge over what will be the access to T1 - basically this road will effectively go under T2.

Like this

http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/images/971.jpg



P.S There is video to give you a better idea


http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/images/departures_pt1.rm Departures 1

http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/images/departures_pt2.rm Departures 2

http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/images/arrivals_web.rm Arrivals

robinph

sparrowcar wrote: »

Oh my God are you insane. I work in Dublin airport and i've flown through Geneva 4 times and it gets worse every time.

+1

Gevena has to be the most badly designed airports I've ever been to. Hate the place, just a shame that it's one of the more popular ones for getting to the alps.

Fratton Fred

darkman2 wrote: »

If you go through the airport you can see the roads are being realligned to the right of the construction site on your way in. So wont be long till they shift the traffic to the front of the construction site. They have to do this because of the terminal bridge over what will be the access to T1 - basically this road will effectively go under T2.

I noticed that this morning, that's why I asked. The road i was looking at seemed to be at 90degrees to the one we were driving on so i coudn't imagine how it was all going to shape up.

Useful info though, thanks.

darkman2

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I noticed that this morning, that's why I asked. The road i was looking at seemed to be at 90degrees to the one we were driving on so i coudn't imagine how it was all going to shape up.

Useful info though, thanks.

NP.


Here is a map of after construction is finished showing the completed road network and layout. It does look a bit confusing I have to say. Click on the image once to zoom in.


http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/images/map_TX1.jpg

MICKEYG

Still can't work out how arrivals and departures will be split. It looks like you check in on lower level , go up one level and that its where arrivals come out and then go up another level before you cross the T1 access road to get to the gate areas. Am I reading thsi right? Seems weird that arrivals and departures will mix.

darkman2

Came across this good aerial pic by a poster on 'Airliners.net'


http://www.airliners.net/photo/-/-/1372593/L/&width=1200&height=812&sok=&sort=&photo_nr=&prev_id=&next_id=


Check out the footprint of Pier E - looks longer then Pier D......are we going to get continuous travelators this time:o

darkman2

New T2 vid

http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/TDA/Image_Bank/T2_video_010808.mpg



Press play.

vms7ply9t6dw4b

Progress as of this week , sorry for the poor quality only quick camera phone snaps!




First bits of steel for Pier E went up down the far end of the site in the last picture the day i took it.

OPENROAD

They have kept a small part of pier c then I thought they would have demolished it completely.

darkman2

Thanks for the pics:)



Do you work in the Airport? If so can you say how long Pier E will be in relation to Pier D or take a guess from the site? I think Pier E looks like it will be longer and we all know what a walk it is to the end of Pier D! Though its remotness from the current terminal must also be taken into account.

I think they are only keeping parts of Pier C as a connection to T1.

OPENROAD

Does anyone know what pier bmi British Midland are using at the moment.

BluntGuy

It's a shame Terminal 2 is being built to such an crappy looking Terminal 1. It's also a shame that's it's being built in a space with practically NO space to expand (unless other facilities are demolished).

Terminal 2 does look quite nice in the artist's impressions, but I have a feeling the real thing will be no-where near as nice looking considering its surroundings.

As for a connection between the two terminals, they could go for the Gatwick option i.e they have a shuttle train connecting the two terminals, or they could have a shuttle bus. But knowing them, they'll expect even disabled people to take a walk between the two terminals on a non-existant pavement.

I look forward to seeing how they'll mess up this invaluable oppurtunity to improve our air transport.

Still, looks nice in the pictures though.

Tenger

darkman2 wrote: »

I think they are only keeping parts of Pier C as a connection to T1.

I made this assumption too. Why only knock part of it?

Can't see the poiint of having a LGW style shuttle bus connection. While they are 2 seperate terminals they are right beside each other. And the corridor to Pier C is wide so can accomodate the golf buggies that are used by OCS (mobiliy assistance) to get to Pier D.

Davidth88

Hi,

It's interesting I saw DUB from two different angles recently. I am a frequent ( 1-2 trips per month ) flyer on Business ( ie solo ). When you are travelling like this you tend to ignore the shortcomings , you are also shielded by lounges etc.

However recently I flew with a young child, I then saw DUB in a very different light. Frankly it's horrible ( lack of changing facilities/crowds etc )

Go to the A gates , the chances of finding a seat near your gate .... NIL

Then this weekend I few out of pier D for the first time, when you get over the route march to get there the pier itself feels nice and airy. It seems silly that to board the aircraft you have to cross a busy service road, this should have been thought about .

Lets hope the new terminal goes some way to fixing these shortcomings , however as I said ( and others ) it's in the wrong place with no expansion areas and they have destroyed the only comfortable public place in the whole airport ( pier C )

I was in LHR recently ( a place I loath ) , however they had reports on the wall showing how they are performing , so for example how quickly you can find a seat at peak times etc. I would be interested to see how DUB would come out on such a system ( badly I would say ).

vms7ply9t6dw4b

darkman2 wrote: »

Thanks for the pics:)



Do you work in the Airport? If so can you say how long Pier E will be in relation to Pier D or take a guess from the site?

Cant tell you off the top of my head next time i get a look at the drawings ill let you know.

Its going to be mainly long haul flights from what i know as the new Dept of Homeland Security Immigration Post thats currently in pier b is being relocated so you wont have a long walk for a flight to the uk either way

vms7ply9t6dw4b

Davidth88 wrote: »

Go to the A gates , the chances of finding a seat near your gate .... NIL

It seems silly that to board the aircraft you have to cross a busy service road, this should have been thought about .

Thats what happens when you fly low cost im afraid, they wont pay to use airbridges thats why they werent put in. All the early drawings for Pier D had airbridges in them they were removed somwhere in the design stage though. If you fly out of Pier B or C when it was operational you would always get a seat beside your gate but these were never used by the low cost airlines with the exception of Aer Lingus.

Its only local traffic by the way, loaders baggage trucks etc maybe the odd maintanence van its not a main airport road or anything

vms7ply9t6dw4b

Bramble wrote: »

I made this assumption too. Why only knock part of it?

Wasnt necessary to knock it all they're going to build into it instead

sdanseo

Bramble wrote: »

I made this assumption too. Why only knock part of it?

Can't see the poiint of having a LGW style shuttle bus connection. While they are 2 seperate terminals they are right beside each other. And the corridor to Pier C is wide so can accomodate the golf buggies that are used by OCS (mobiliy assistance) to get to Pier D.

As you say, pointless in the extreme to have a shuttle bus...it's about 400m door to door. That probably translates to 5mins walk in the enclosed corridors landside.

Your assumption is also right...no point in building a new connecting corridor when the existing Pier C suffices perfectly. It also means the GNIB (Garda National Immigration Bureau) booths that exist in pier C (still there) can be used as an overflow - I can only guess they'll remain

darkman2

As regards connections to T1 I assume the tube like structure from the terminal to T1 in this pic on the right is a passenger walkway between the terminals?






http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/images/T2_ext.jpg

sdanseo

darkman2 wrote: »

As regards connections to T1 I assume the tube like structure from the terminal to T1 in this pic on the right is a passenger walkway between the terminals?






http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/images/T2_ext.jpg

Yep.

That'll be the landside connection, whilst the airside connector will be the remaining portion of Pier C (seen behind the walkway in that picture).

Davidth88

Thats what happens when you fly low cost im afraid

Sorry thats total rubbish, it comes from the same school as if you only pay 10 euro for a tkt don't blame us if we leave you stranded in a ex mil aerodrome miles from anywhere because we can't be bothered to talk to you.

It's poor design, you come out of the terminal and have to cross what could be a busy service road to get to your aircraft....... why wasn't the service road put under the terminal, or build a bridge so you appear after the road. They did this on the low numbered A gates but I don't know if they still use them ( have not flown from there for a while )

As for the lack of seats in the A gates , its horrible ( esp with a family ), and it's not just ' low cost ' airlines using the A gates ( AF/AC .... ) .

Since the demise of the C gates there are only about ( and I am open to correction ) 6 airbridges now ( on the B gates ) and these are taken up most of the morning by the US traffic it seems to me.

It's obvious DUB is running at a very high capacity roll on the new terminal but I fear it's just a ' sticking plaster ' not the silver bullet .

Fratton Fred

OPENROAD wrote: »

Does anyone know what pier bmi British Midland are using at the moment.

They seem to vary a bit, although I haven't flown with them for a few weeks. They tend to go from what is left of pier C (the extra gates downstairs, then a bus to the aircraft) or from Pier B.

Aer Lingus seem to use either B or D for London flights.

I flew to Heathrow this morning, had to walk all the way to Pier D, cross the road to get on the plane, which then landed late. Why oh Why did I pay the extra when I would have got the same with FR but arrived on time.

JupiterKid

While I like the design of Terminal 2 and the speed of its construction also seems pretty impressive, it was a shocking waste of money to have to destroy/decommission Pier C in the process, as it was only built, what, about 8 or 9 years ago? :eek::mad:

I also think that T2 would have been better located to the North of the existing terminal, where the hangars are currently as there would have been more room to expand. As it is, if and when T2 will need extra pier/air stand capacity in the future, they'll probably have to knock the cargo terminal down to allow a new pier to be built.

Why are they calling the boarding pier of T2 Pier E? Surely, each terminal has its own set of labelled piers. This, therefore, should be Pier A of Terminal 2.

I think one of the biggest problems with Dublin Airport was that it was planned and built in a very incoherent, unstructured way which allowed a mish-mash of architectural styles and a lack of uniformity in layout and design. At the very least, I wish they could re-clad the exterior of the old part of Terminal 1 as it's looking very shabby and dated at this stage.

BluntGuy

Yeah... I hope they jazz up T1's exterior. It would be a shame to see T1's tattered, outdated look ruining the otherwise impressive looking T2.

Ultanmor

Davidth88 wrote: »

Sorry thats total rubbish, it comes from the same school as if you only pay 10 euro for a tkt don't blame us if we leave you stranded in a ex mil aerodrome miles from anywhere because we can't be bothered to talk to you.

It's poor design, you come out of the terminal and have to cross what could be a busy service road to get to your aircraft....... why wasn't the service road put under the terminal, or build a bridge so you appear after the road. They did this on the low numbered A gates but I don't know if they still use them ( have not flown from there for a while )

Leaving aside the tone, Nailer is right. The reason you have to walk across a service road is that the airlines did not want airbridges and would not pay for them. Given that they wouldn't pay for a couple of airbridges they were hardly likely to have supported building a road under the pier to handle service traffic and the huge extra costs it would have generated.

It's a pain to have to walk across the tarmac especially in the rain, but most of the airlines, particularly the low cost operators want to turn their planes around very quickly and they don't want airbridges and don't care about passengers getting wet.

It's not a question of poor design as the pier was designed with airbridges as the original artists' impressions showed them on the side of the building.

vms7ply9t6dw4b

BluntGuy wrote: »

Yeah... I hope they jazz up T1's exterior. It would be a shame to see T1's tattered, outdated look ruining the otherwise impressive looking T2.

Pier D extension is going for planning permission in december afaik and they are planning on refurbishing pier B i know for certian. Dont know whats happening in the main terminal i know they are extending checkin area 13 as part of T1x and they are doing a whole new colour scheme there but the basic layout is staying the same so maybe they will roll that out throughout the whole check in area.

Edit. sombody asked was Pier E bigger then Pier D and i said i didnt think so, had a look it is by about half as much again by the looks of it 20 boarding gates vs Pier Ds 12

Run_to_da_hills

Just saw the framework of Terminal 2 for the first time today, I was surprised to see all these large rusty girders put in place with no rust primer or galvanise coating. :eek:

Maybe they intend that this building is just another temporary measure just like its predecessor.