BluRay Of Death

Daemos

I read an article that says that in regards to the BluRay Of Death problem, there are no difinitive polls as to how widespread it is. So I thought, let's get a general idea. If your PS had/had the problem, vote for which version console you have. If you haven't had the problem, vote for that, to see what percentage of consoles are OK.

So, the options are:
40GB
60GB
80GB
160GB
Hasn't happened to me

qz

40GB, all clear.

horgan_p

i've fixed 2 faulty ones so far - both 60gb models.

noodler

80GB no problems but its very early days! I still don't think you are going to find anything like the scale of RROD.

Some people think there PS3 or other console can be be banged though. Some people don't know you have to turn your PS3 on to standby before you turn it off either.

Not all the faulties would be explained By BROD.

Graham_B18C

What is Blu-Ray of Death???

noodler

Just a fancy way of saying the Blu-Ray laser packs it in.

Personally I think watching BLU-RAY movies is the main cause, and the same with DVDs on the PS2.

Daemos

noodler wrote: »

80GB no problems but its very early days! I still don't think you are going to find anything like the scale of RROD.

Some people think there PS3 or other console can be be banged though. Some people don't know you have to turn your PS3 on to standby before you turn it off either.

Not all the faulties would be explained By BROD.

I completely agree. 360 has been out for ages, and since everyone knows about RROD, but not many people know about BROD, it's clearly a problem, but not as widespread.

However, it must be said, that more and more people are reporting problems. And while I know that quite a few will have been caused by mis-use, I can't see so many people banjaxing their consoles on their own.

Grahamo999 wrote: »

What is Blu-Ray of Death???

noodler wrote: »

Just a fancy way of saying the Blu-Ray laser packs it in.

Basically, if your PS3 reads discs, it's fine. If not, then you probably have BluRay Of Death. Named after XBOX360's main technical glitch, called Red Ring Of Death.

noodler wrote: »

Personally I think watching BLU-RAY movies is the main cause, and the same with DVDs on the PS2.

Probably games too. Several of the reports of BROD have happened while playing a PS3 game which is, of course, a BluRay disc. Plus, BluRays were relatively new when the PS3 was first released, so there have been some hidden problem which the developers hadn't found. Also, more people would play a PS3 for games than a BluRay player for films, so an unforseen problem with overuse, perhaps? Would certainly explain why it hasn't happened to me: I (ashamedly) use mine mostly for DVDs.

Kev_ps3

My launch 60gb has died twice on me, 6 months ago the lazer stopped reading disks (got it fixed) and about a month ago the graphics card broke (which is not fixable), so im left with a ps3 I paid nearly €700 for that cant be fixed and has no warrenty. Trying to get Xtra-Vision to give me a new one because of the 2 year EU law thing, i'll see how that goes!

Stuxnet

happened my 40gig, xtravision replaced straight away

noodler

I wonder if the 80GBs will have a better rate?

Anyway, in the grand scheme of things I reckon it would take alot more than the 2 or 3 people reporting problems here per week to make it anything more than a standard rate of console malfunctioning...or something.

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

My launch 60gb has died twice on me, 6 months ago the lazer stopped reading disks (got it fixed) and about a month ago the graphics card broke (which is not fixable), so im left with a ps3 I paid nearly €700 for that cant be fixed and has no warrenty. Trying to get Xtra-Vision to give me a new one because of the 2 year EU law thing, i'll see how that goes!

Did a third-Party fix it for you? You should ring Sony and tell them. They seem fairly cool about replacing them.

Kev_ps3

noodler wrote: »

Did a third-Party fix it for you? You should ring Sony and tell them. They seem fairly cool about replacing them.

No, sent it to console repairs and they couldnt fix it.
Last time my ps3 broke I rang Sony and they didnt get back to me for weeks, and when they did they said it was out of warrenty and they couldnt do anything.

Daemos

noodler wrote: »

I wonder if the 80GBs will have a better rate?

One vote for it already, but for the time being, I don't think there will be many, what with it being the most recent version released here.

311

I made a mistake ,my 60GB failed last year and now I have a 40GB.

I voted on 40GB ,sorry.

giggsy664

Why is eveyone complaining about 60gb BROD? I've had mine since 11/4/07 and the worst thing that has happened to it was the hard drive corrupted. Resulted in me getting a 120gb hdd, but its all good!

AtomicHorror

60GB since launch day. No issues.

Silver-Tiger

40gb Had it 13 months
Got Brod last week or so

seanybiker

had a loan of my brothers 80 gig a while back and it just stopped reading discs. I presume that means its suffered the BROD, how much does it cost to get this fixed?

Mossy Monk

I have a 60 gig and no problems. Nobody I know has had a problem either.

eddhorse

60GB now 320GB no problems whatsoever, I did pay €720 for it though so id expect that haha

KTRIC

Have a 60, no problems apart from the HDD corrupting a couple of weeks ago. Might be because I was switching it off at the back :rolleyes:

iggy

Had 40gb 11months and got BROD. brought it back to Smyths and they replaced it there and then.

Daemos

Well, some expected results, and some not-so-expected ones.

Apparently, the lower amount of memory you have, the more likely you are to get BROD (There's something for the conspiracy theorists to have a debate about). I'd have thought that the older the console, the more likely you are to get it, but apparently not.

However, I'm not surprised at the very large amount of people experiencing no problems. I always thought that it may not be as widespread as some were making out. I was always saying, there are lots of people reporting problems, but hardly anyone would post to say yay, everything's fine my end.

Qs

I'd say we have more BROD on the 40gbs here because they are the most common.

I got it about 14 months after purchasing a 40gb

whiterebel

DaPoolRulz wrote: »

Well, some expected results, and some not-so-expected ones.

Apparently, the lower amount of memory you have, the more likely you are to get BROD (There's something for the conspiracy theorists to have a debate about). I'd have thought that the older the console, the more likely you are to get it, but apparently not.

However, I'm not surprised at the very large amount of people experiencing no problems. I always thought that it may not be as widespread as some were making out. I was always saying, there are lots of people reporting problems, but hardly anyone would post to say yay, everything's fine my end.

25%? Micro$oft got murdered at the mere mention of 33%.....

AnCapaillMor

60GB since launch(has a 250GB as of 3 months ago), no problems.

noodler

whiterebel wrote: »

25%? Micro$oft got murdered at the mere mention of 33%.....

I assume thats a joke.

mayordenis

DaPoolRulz wrote: »

Named after XBOX360's main technical glitch, called Red Ring Of Death.

They are both based on the windows BSOD (blue screen of death)

whiterebel

noodler wrote: »

I assume thats a joke.

Which bit are you assuming?

noodler

whiterebel wrote: »

Which bit are you assuming?

The bit where you are using an inaccurate and under-observed internet poll to justify saying that the PS3 has a 25% failure rate.

I know it happened to you but, for example, I haven't even bothered to vote yet and I'm sure alot of people are the same way.

whiterebel

noodler wrote: »

The bit where you are using an inaccurate and under-observed internet poll to justify saying that the PS3 has a 25% failure rate.

I know it happened to you but, for example, I haven't even bothered to vote yet and I'm sure alot of people are the same way.

Inaccurate how? People put up their failures on a poll. Currently running at 28% failure rate according to the information we have. Yes, it hasn't had thousands of people putting their experiences on it, but there are also people that have had 2, 3 or more failures, and they can't vote more than once. Considering Sony are actually admitting there is a problem, you can bet its a lot bigger than we think - These companies don't admit sh*t until the evidence is out there.

Daemos

noodler wrote: »

The bit where you are using an inaccurate and under-observed internet poll to justify saying that the PS3 has a 25% failure rate.

I know it happened to you but, for example, I haven't even bothered to vote yet and I'm sure alot of people are the same way.

The very basis of precentages in a small group is to reflect the probable results on a larger scale. Ever seen the Whiskas ad? 8 out of ten cats prefer it? They did that survey with probably 100 cats, yet the popularity of the brand suggests that it is fairly accurate, when applied to more cats. That very same principle is applied here.

Also, have a look at my opening post. It says that I started this pole to:

DaPoolRulz wrote: »

get a general idea

not to acquire percentage-accurate figures and send them over to Sony. No, these figures do not reflect the real failure rate, but you must admit that, in principle, they will be close to it.

Qs

noodler wrote: »

The bit where you are using an inaccurate and under-observed internet poll to justify saying that the PS3 has a 25% failure rate.

I know it happened to you but, for example, I haven't even bothered to vote yet and I'm sure alot of people are the same way.

True. I never opened a BROD thread until I had it happen to me.

Daemos

Yeah, but that isn't always the case. I opened this thread, but it hasn't happened to me - yet:eek:

noodler

I'm sorry but this is absolute bull.

I am sorry to get all professional on you but there is a certain number of votes needed before results can even be considered for statistical significance. One of these threads was done in the summer (by me no less) and it was made plainly clear that many people who hadn't experienced laser problems would stay well clear and would not bother voting 'no problems as of yet'.

If Sony was expeiencing Hardware failure rates at the 25% mark (An article yesterday suggested they were as low as 3%) then why do you think a poll on boards.ie from a incomplete sample is what would be outing outing them?

Face it, the people arguing the point here are the select few who have had it happen to them.

Don't get me wrong, if my ps3 breaks down I will be the first one here asking for advice, but there is no point pretending the problem is bigger than it is just because the internet has allowed you to find a common victim.

Hell, if the problem was that bad, why do you think the media would be sparing Sony and not Microsoft?

whiterebel

noodler wrote: »

I'm sorry but this is absolute bull.

I am sorry to get all professional on you but there is a certain number of votes needed before results can even be considered for statistical significance. One of these threads was done in the summer (by me no less) and it was made plainly clear that many people who hadn't experienced laser problems would stay well clear and would not bother voting 'no problems as of yet'.

If Sony was expeiencing Hardware failure rates at the 25% mark (An article yesterday suggested they were as low as 3%) then why do you think a poll on boards.ie from a incomplete sample is what would be outing outing them?

Face it, the people arguing the point here are the select few who have had it happen to them.

Don't get me wrong, if my ps3 breaks down I will be the first one here asking for advice, but there is no point pretending the problem is bigger than it is just because the internet has allowed you to find a common victim.

Hell, if the problem was that bad, why do you think the media would be sparing Sony and not Microsoft?

What ever mate, I'm not arguing, you just can't seem to see the woods for the trees. I don't think a small poll here will get a giant like Sony to admit it, but ally this to the posts on other threads and forums with the same problem and then you have leverage. believe me, if Sony hadn't fixed mine without a whimper, I would be on to every paper, small claims court etc, etc.
Electronics companies always say they are not aware of problems (I know - I've had to do it in a tech support job), despite massive forums on said problems on the internet and the like. Only when the problem becomes so big they have to admit to it, and Sony have done with this. Lets not forget this isn't unusual for Sony - They had a very similar problem with the PS2 laser when it came out, or maybe we're all imagining that too? Coincidentally, isn't 3% the figure Microsoft tried to put on it when it was obvious that the problem was a lot more widespread? I doubt Sony would be fixing (quietly) out of warranty if it was a tiny fraction of sales.

noodler

I can't see the woods from the trees? Is that your copy and paste response when some disagrees with you?

When retailers tell us PS3s have a fail rate of 25% then I'll believe it. Your current evidence amounts to a biased and tiny sample in an internet forum that would purposely attract people who have had hardware failures.

I'll repeat, if the problem was anywhere near as bad an you are making out then why wouldn't it be given more media attention?

I still have my phat PS2 upstairs. Works fine, ever since 2001. I heard the horror stories though.

whiterebel

It seems Sony have admitted a problem, but you're waiting to hear from the retailers. Unless you work for Sony, I really can't see why you seem to be getting bent out of shape over this, so I'll leave it.

noodler

I don't work for Sony, I wish.

However I just don't like unjustiifed scaremongering. 25% of PS3s do not break.

Daemos

Check the reports of this problem that people are reporting on other threads here on boards.ie. Several instances of people whose PS3s broke down after the warranty was out, yet Sony replaced them with no problem. Surely they would not be doing this if it was some isolated occurances.

I agree with whiterebel. Sony don't want a worldwide advertisement of PS3s breaking down, so they want to fix the problems quickly and quietly. Of course, thanks to messageboards like this, its impossible to keep the problem quiet.

So what do they do? Say its not as bad as we think. Look at the poll above. Whenever the amount of votes go up, the percentages stay similar. So the results that people are voting for seem to be consistent, even as people vote. This also confirms my previous statement, does it not?

DaPoolRulz wrote: »

The very basis of precentages in a small group is to reflect the probable results on a larger scale. Ever seen the Whiskas ad? 8 out of ten cats prefer it? They did that survey with probably 100 cats, yet the popularity of the brand suggests that it is fairly accurate, when applied to more cats. That very same principle is applied here.

noodler

Look pal. I have been nice up now with you and your misguided Whiskas analogy but come off it. Do a bit of research into the field of statistics. For the last time-there are so many people who haven't voted here because the thread attracts people with a problem.

If you think 25% of PS3s are failing then you are self-deluded, your thread actually hasn't unearthed some amazing discovery. If you think it has then try and sell it to the media and when they hear your basis for it they will laugh down the phone at you.

As for Sony fixing machines-this seems like a typical scenario of damned if you do and damned if you don't.


As for other message boards-well there are about 10m PS3s in the world. So with a Failure rate of 3 or 4% that means 3 or 4 hundred thousand PS3s. I think you are struggling to grasp the concept of scale here.

Daemos

If my Whiskas analogy is so misguided, then how come so many companies across the world conduct similar experiments?

And I'LL say THIS again: check my very first post. I didn't start this thread to unlock the secret stats of the problem. I started it to get a GENERAL IDEA!!! And you know what I uncovered? The majority of PS3s have no problems with them.

While you're at it, check my other posts. You'll find that I said the same thing as you a while ago

DaPoolRulz wrote: »

I'm not surprised at the very large amount of people experiencing no problems. I always thought that it may not be as widespread as some were making out. I was always saying, there are lots of people reporting problems, but hardly anyone would post to say yay, everything's fine my end.

I've also been very supportive of your previous views, as my other replies will show. The only thing that you are saying that I completely disagree with is the purpose of this thread.

AtomicHorror

The poll is unlikely to reflect reality well on a few points as suggested by noodler.

1. The study group is small and thus chance (perhaps Ireland is a good or bad locale for BROD?) will skew results by a larger percentage than it would in a larger study. A few percentage points of such an error would easily be expected in a study with 100 participants, this does not even have that many.

2. The thread title is "BluRay of Death". It is thus much more likely to attract attention from PS3 users who have experienced this problem, and to be ignored by those who have not.

3. When it comes to those who do look at the thread, it is probable that there is a difference in the likelihood of getting an answer between those who have experienced the problem (and are annoyed) and those who have not (and are defensive). We can't get a handle on which way that will bias the result.

4. Fanboys will bias in both directions and as with point 3, it's hard to know which way the bias will run overall.

The poll is not useless, but to assume that the failure rate of PS3s is 25% based upon it would be silly. A survey like this would need to be carried out on a good 1000 or so PS3 owners and completed by a randomised cross-section of owners before we could have some reasonable measure of confidence in the results.

AtomicHorror

DaPoolRulz wrote: »

If my Whiskas analogy is so misguided, then how come so many companies across the world conduct similar experiments?

To mislead you into buying cat food. The stats quoted by such companies are notorious for their selectivity, inaccuracy or outright inapplicability.

noodler

And my faith in the world is restored.

I'm not saying BROD is a myth-I am saying it is nothing like 25%.

Daemos

OK, I'm willing to admit that it isn't the most accurate poll in the world. But for the billionth time, its a GENERAL RESULT!!!!!!!!!!

AtomicHorror

DaPoolRulz wrote: »

OK, I'm willing to admit that it isn't the most accurate poll in the world. But for the billionth time, its a GENERAL RESULT!!!!!!!!!!

It's all good.

noodler

AtomicHorror wrote: »

A survey like this would need to be carried out on a good 1000 or so PS3 owners and completed by a randomised cross-section of owners before we could have some reasonable measure of confidence in the results.

Metrics?

whiterebel

Should this thread be stickied? I see on another thread that a poster asked a store manager, and he reckoned they are taking back 1/3 of PS3s. May be we should keep it at the top to keep an eye on the figures, scientific or not.

noodler

Absolutely.

If for no other reason than to let people see how to deak with Sony should they have a problem.

Daemos

Yay! I made a good thread!

Sephiroth_dude

Had a 60 gig since the end of october 07,rushed out to get a 60 gig as I heard they were not going into production anymore.have'nt had any problem with it yet thank god,I hope I dont either as I play a lot of ps1,ps2 rpgs on it,since I sold my ps2.I do play a lot of dvds on it and I suspose I should'nt be,Is it bad for it if you play dvds on it?If it does break will sony give me a new gig one?