Traffic management - a couple of simple suggestions to Waterford City Council

fricatus

Dunmore Road:

A lot of the tailbacks there in the morning are caused by the pedestrian lights at Powerscourt not being in sequence with the lights 50m away at the top of Island Lane.

Solution: link the two sets of lights so that they change together.


City Square:

Most of the traffic in Arundel Square is caused by those stupid traffic lights by A-Wear. These are a relic from the days when that junction was a proper crossroads. They're not needed any more, so they should just be replaced with pelican crossings so that pedestrians have priority.

Also, there are tailbacks down by the Belfry Hotel all the time because people block the place up trying to turn right towards the Tower.

Solution: either put physical measures in place to stop people turning right, or (better in my view) put traffic lights down there so that the traffic can flow out of that street in both directions onto the Quay. There could be a pedestrian crossing there too - sequenced with the one at the Clock Tower so as to cause minimum delay to traffic.

Anyone else want to submit their own little traffic solutions? Maybe we could eventually e-mail the link to the City Council and see if they agree with us?

KingLoser

Re-open Broad St. to traffic ta fook!

gscully

fricatus wrote: »

Dunmore Road:

A lot of the tailbacks there in the morning are caused by the pedestrian lights at Powerscourt not being in sequence with the lights 50m away at the top of Island Lane.

Solution: link the two sets of lights so that they change together.


City Square:

Most of the traffic in Arundel Square is caused by those stupid traffic lights by A-Wear. These are a relic from the days when that junction was a proper crossroads. They're not needed any more, so they should just be replaced with pelican crossings so that pedestrians have priority.

Also, there are tailbacks down by the Belfry Hotel all the time because people block the place up trying to turn right towards the Tower.

Solution: either put physical measures in place to stop people turning right, or (better in my view) put traffic lights down there so that the traffic can flow out of that street in both directions onto the Quay. There could be a pedestrian crossing there too - sequenced with the one at the Clock Tower so as to cause minimum delay to traffic.

Anyone else want to submit their own little traffic solutions? Maybe we could eventually e-mail the link to the City Council and see if they agree with us?

Agree with you about the lights on the Dunmore Rd.

If you give priority to pedestrians at the foot of Patrick St, you can forget about cars ever being able to move. As it is, pedestrians walk across regardless.

Good point about the junction at the Belfry - why not move the lights from the clock tower to there (they're currently only used as pedestrian lights, or during loading hours in the early morning)?

My own thoughts would be that traffic wardens should concern themselves primarily with traffic continually pulling in or parking on the yellow lines along the quay (especially at the GPO). But no, someone with a ticket recently expired or no ticket at all, but parked in a legitimate space will get a parking fine before anyone blocking one of the city's main driving lanes!

Also, the amount of selfishness from drivers in relation to driving through red lights, or stopping on a yellow box really pisses me off. The top of the Folly is ridiculous for traffic turning up towards Grange going through the red light. The junction with Colbeck St / Parnell St / Mary St is also bad for traffic stopping on the yellow box.

fricatus

KingLoser wrote: »

Re-open Broad St. to traffic ta fook!

I presume from the wink on your avatar's face that you're joking. Either that or you're a taxi driver, because that whole proposal only makes sense from the point of view of the taxi drivers.

For all the rest of us, who enjoy walking around the city centre in peace, without having to constantly look left and right, that proposal is the most retarded piece of thinking I've seen in a long time. To think we've got people even entertaining the idea, and worse, a councillor actually in support of it! He must be mates with a lot of taxi drivers...

fricatus

gscully wrote: »

Agree If you give priority to pedestrians at the foot of Patrick St, you can forget about cars ever being able to move. As it is, pedestrians walk across regardless.

I don't agree. Cars come out of City Square at a rate of maybe one per 30 seconds at the busiest time. They can easily filter through as they arrive. As things stand, you come out of City Square and spend 3-4 minutes waiting at the lights, and then the pedestrians still walk across. Which is worse?

gscully wrote: »

My own thoughts would be that traffic wardens should concern themselves primarily with traffic continually pulling in or parking on the yellow lines along the quay (especially at the GPO). But no, someone with a ticket recently expired or no ticket at all, but parked in a legitimate space will get a parking fine before anyone blocking one of the city's main driving lanes!

Trouble with the traffic wardens is that as far as I know, their remit is to do with revenue, not traffic flow. I think the Garda are the people who are responsible for keeping the traffic moving - so in that case, why aren't they down moving people along down on the Quay?

A related point: there was a clearway declared with temporary signs down outside Days Hotel (formerly the Bridge) back last year or earlier this year, but it seems to have died a death. Yet I regularly see tour buses unloading in the traffic lane and holding everything up.

What the hell is stopping these tour buses from going around the corner where there's plenty of space? If they want to get out into the traffic again, they can just go around the block - the one-way system allows perfectly for this.

KingLoser

fricatus wrote: »

I presume from the wink on your avatar's face that you're joking. Either that or you're a taxi driver, because that whole proposal only makes sense from the point of view of the taxi drivers.

For all the rest of us, who enjoy walking around the city centre in peace, without having to constantly look left and right, that proposal is the most retarded piece of thinking I've seen in a long time. To think we've got people even entertaining the idea, and worse, a councillor actually in support of it! He must be mates with a lot of taxi drivers...

"the most retarded piece of thinking in a long time"....

NOTE: "Long time" is since they made the decision to close the road.

What has it achieved? A square too big for the small city to support, pathetically pretentious street "art", oh yeah, and the closure of anything even resembling a night life in the "centre".

But hey, I'm done typing, the place speaks (in a silent kinda way..) for itself after 5.30pm. Every. Single. Day.

Ya... retarded.

Cabaal

gscully wrote: »

Good point about the junction at the Belfry - why not move the lights from the clock tower to there (they're currently only used as pedestrian lights, or during loading hours in the early morning)?

Because the amount of J walking would go up 100's of % as most people walk from Pennys etc down to Clock tower crossing to get to the buses, they are not going to walk all the way up towards the Belfry to cross when they then have to double back to get to the buses

As for removing lights from A-Wear, you'd have to be crazy...the Taxi drivers would have someone killed within two weeks by charging there way through the cross walk after they get annoyed because nobody walking would stop to allow them to drive off.

Taxi's should be down on the quays, it would make the middle of town alot less mad

ROCKMAN

Heard a little story that as soon as we have the second bridge , That trucks will be ban from the quay ,Only allowed enter a certain times ,early early morning /late night for delivery only .
All the trucks for the estates and factories having to use outher road.

Think this would work great and free up from quay all the way to woodlawn grove. Think how many cars can get through a set of lights in the same time as 1/2 trucks

Cabaal

KingLoser wrote: »

"the most retarded piece of thinking in a long time"....

NOTE: "Long time" is since they made the decision to close the road.

What has it achieved? A square too big for the small city to support, pathetically pretentious street "art", oh yeah, and the closure of anything even resembling a night life in the "centre".

But hey, I'm done typing, the place speaks (in a silent kinda way..) for itself after 5.30pm. Every. Single. Day.

Ya... retarded.

Your kidding me right, so instead of allowing for proper space for people to walk around and shop you want to kill the town with traffic congestion and parking right in its center?

So every other city can have a pedestrian area but Waterford will die a death if it does? lets see Kilkenny has one, Cork has one, Dublin has many, Galway, Clonmel yet they all live but Waterford dies a death and has no nightlife?

Ever think that businesses in the middle of Waterford are the issue and not traffic and taxi ranks not being allowed smother the city center?

btw just curious, going on fricatus comments about you being a taxi driver since you had this idea, are you a taxi driver or related to a taxi driver?

fricatus

Cabaal wrote: »

Because the amount of J walking would go up 100's of % as most people walk from Pennys etc down to Clock tower crossing to get to the buses, they are not going to walk all the way up towards the Belfry to cross when they then have to double back to get to the buses

Those pedestrian lights should be left in place as a pedestrian crossing and sequenced with any future lights below the Belfry Hotel.

ROCKMAN wrote: »

Heard a little story that as soon as we have the second bridge , That trucks will be ban from the quay ,Only allowed enter a certain times ,early early morning /late night for delivery only .
All the trucks for the estates and factories having to use outher road.

Think this would work great and free up from quay all the way to woodlawn grove. Think how many cars can get through a set of lights in the same time as 1/2 trucks

What they really ought to do is once the second bridge is open, put a toll on Rice Bridge and take the toll off the new road. They could exempt buses and taxis from it.

KingLoser wrote: »

"the most retarded piece of thinking in a long time"....

NOTE: "Long time" is since they made the decision to close the road.

What has it achieved? A square too big for the small city to support, pathetically pretentious street "art", oh yeah, and the closure of anything even resembling a night life in the "centre".

But hey, I'm done typing, the place speaks (in a silent kinda way..) for itself after 5.30pm. Every. Single. Day.

Ya... retarded.

Deserves its own thread... give me a few minutes.

DanGlee

I have to agree with the poster that mentioned the retards that park on the quay...

PEOPLE... ITS A F***KING DOUBLE YELLOW!!! And people double park next to other cars, taking up the whole lane... for all those people that park on the quay, outside the Post Office, outside Centra... you are all F***ING MUPPETS and want running off the road... if I hit your car and bust you up while your in it, TOUGH ****... Its your own F**KING FAULT!

This REALLY, REALLY, REALLY gets to me... I can't drive down the left hand lane anymore before of all these clowns that just basically STOP THEIR CAR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD with no consideration for other people...

The Garda need to seriously do something about these DICKS that do this... Its only going to be a matter of time before one of them opens their door and loses either the door or their leg... and you'll get no fookin sympathy off me thats for sure!

Rant Over!

ARRRRGHHHH..........!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Cabaal

Generally speaking I've not have issues with cars too much at the GPO but I have to say Centra is a bloody joke, Gardai could make a fortune by fining people for double parking and driving dangerously in and around it.

mike65

DanGlee wrote: »

for all those people that park on the quay, outside the Post Office, outside Centra... you are all F***ING MUPPETS and want running off the road... if I hit your car and bust you up while your in it, TOUGH ****... Its your own F**KING FAULT!

I think you'll discover a court takes a different view. They are a pain but as there are two lanes its not a disaster, that said the traffic wardens don't seem to care too much. They prefer to lurk in the official carparks, where the hits per yard are higher, it seems

muffler

Settle down lads. You can get your point across just as easily without the colourful language.

Waynecarr

Bridge would flow a lot better into town if you did not have that right turn down to Grattan Quay. Essentially 1 car stops 20-30 getting by.

Parking in the inside lane on both sides of the quay is a joke and dangerous. Why oh why do idiot drivers think its ok to park in a traffic lane on one of the busiest roads in town and think hazard lights make it ok. I notice they have recently put some lines on the road around the post office highlighting its a main road but this does not seem to have deterred the idiots.

Drives me clucking insane

Waynecarr

mike65 wrote: »

They are a pain but as there are two lanes its not a disaster,

Sorry Mike but no way. You cannot seriously cannot think its ok to stop up in the inside lane on the quay

fricatus

Waynecarr wrote: »

Bridge would flow a lot better into town if you did not have that right turn down to Grattan Quay. Essentially 1 car stops 20-30 getting by.

Easily solved. Are you listening Waterford City Council?

Ban the right turn. Put up a sign in Ferrybank and another on Sallypark saying for Grattan Quay/Bilberry, please follow the signs.

Then put a sign for Bilberry going straight on at the bridge inbound, one going left onto O'Connell St, one going left onto Vulcan St, one left onto the Quay and then one straight on at the Quay. Bingo! Problem solved.

AND THEN FINE THE IDIOTS WHO HOLD UP THE TRAFFIC.

mike65

Waynecarr,

Of course not (I don't have straw coming out of my ears) they should be moved on, I just make the point its not as if the whole road is blocked. Nothing more.

The vehicles can be a hazzard regarding pedestrians who appear from behind SUVs, small vans etc.

gscully

Cabaal wrote: »

Generally speaking I've not have issues with cars too much at the GPO but I have to say Centra is a bloody joke, Gardai could make a fortune by fining people for double parking and driving dangerously in and around it.

The issue is that traffic coming from Reginalds Tower correctly move into the left lane if they intend heading to City Sq carpark, but by the time they reach the GPO, they often have to (partially) move back out into the right lane. It's dangerous.

But as long as they have their hazard lights on, it's ok right?

DanGlee

The problem is, no one cares about this problem.

The cops drive past it all the time, the traffic wardens couldn't give a turd about it... and you know what the sicking honest truth about this problem is... there is only one way it will be stopped...

After somebody has been killed getting in / out of their car after being wiped out by a lorry or something... its the sad truth, but matters like this never get a second look until somebody dies...

gscully

fricatus wrote: »

I don't agree. Cars come out of City Square at a rate of maybe one per 30 seconds at the busiest time. They can easily filter through as they arrive. As things stand, you come out of City Square and spend 3-4 minutes waiting at the lights, and then the pedestrians still walk across. Which is worse?

It's not just about traffic from City Square though. You have many cars coming up Exchange St and turning across High St and on towards Patrick St. You also have the traffic coming down Patrick St.

If you gave pedestrians full control, any Saturday would be chaos! As someone mentioned, the taxis beside Dunnes would not take too kindly to giving way!

fricatus

Mods, my post from 14.23... apologies, but could you move it to the other thread?

Waynecarr

fricatus wrote: »

Easily solved. Are you listening Waterford City Council?

Ban the right turn. Put up a sign in Ferrybank and another on Sallypark saying for Grattan Quay/Bilberry, please follow the signs.

Then put a sign for Bilberry going straight on at the bridge inbound, one going left onto O'Connell St, one going left onto Vulcan St, one left onto the Quay and then one straight on at the Quay. Bingo! Problem solved.

AND THEN FINE THE IDIOTS WHO HOLD UP THE TRAFFIC.

Seems like a good idea to me. The only issue I imagine would be HGVs taking the proposed route especially the turn onto Vulcan St from O'Connel St

Cabaal

Waynecarr wrote: »

Parking in the inside lane on both sides of the quay is a joke and dangerous. Why oh why do idiot drivers think its ok to park in a traffic lane on one of the busiest roads in town and think hazard lights make it ok.

I've often heard people refer to hazards as "park anywhere lights" some feckin joke, fine the lot of them for illegal parking

gscully wrote: »

The issue is that traffic coming from Reginalds Tower correctly move into the left lane if they intend heading to City Sq carpark, but by the time they reach the GPO, they often have to (partially) move back out into the right lane. It's dangerous.

But as long as they have their hazard lights on, it's ok right?

I'm not saying it doesn't happen and its alright I'm merely saying I've not noticed it to be a big issues...but I guess that has to do with the times I drive on the quays

mike65

re Bilbery right turn

HGVs could never make the turns required for that solution to work fully. The whole junction on this side of the bridge is poor.

The solution would be to have a turn right lane which is about 50 metres long. Obviously that would mean only one lane for traffic coming off the quay, so that would have to use right hand lane only.

DanGlee

Hopefully the HGVs half in traffic when the new bridge is done!

Also (Slightly off topic) but... what are the rumours of there being a toll on the new bridge... because I for one would certainly be using the old bridge still as I'm sure half the country traveling in and through Waterford would still be...

It would be some feck-up if they toll it!

mike65

It was always going to be tolled, its part of the contract.

wellbutty

Toll plaza construction is well underway

Jambo

fricatus wrote: »

Easily solved. Are you listening Waterford City Council?

Ban the right turn. Put up a sign in Ferrybank and another on Sallypark saying for Grattan Quay/Bilberry, please follow the signs.

Then put a sign for Bilberry going straight on at the bridge inbound, one going left onto O'Connell St, one going left onto Vulcan St, one left onto the Quay and then one straight on at the Quay. Bingo! Problem solved.

AND THEN FINE THE IDIOTS WHO HOLD UP THE TRAFFIC.

Good idea in theory but can you imagine what would happen on the Quay as a result when extra cars are now taking up the outside lane waiting to turn up Vulcan St , it can be bad at the best of times also the best of times Penrose lane is usually full of traffic for cars wanting to enter the quay .

AFAIK when the council widen the Bilberry road they intend to put a dedicated filter lane on the bridge for Grattan quay

fricatus

Jambo wrote: »

Good idea in theory but can you imagine what would happen on the Quay as a result when extra cars are now taking up the outside lane waiting to turn up Vulcan St , it can be bad at the best of times also the best of times Penrose lane is usually full of traffic for cars wanting to enter the quay .

Oops, sorry... that's what happens when you have one little stretch of a road being called something different! Vulcan St is of course one way away from the Quay, towards Thomas St. The one I meant is Penrose Lane... as in the continuation of James's St.

Just to clarify: straight on inbound at the bridge, first left behind Days Hotel, first left again by the new Spa, and then left again onto the Quay.

On the subject of HGVs, they should be able to do this route, with the possible exception of the biggest artics, but I've seen artics pull some fairly mean feats. I mean they handle Thomastown, don't they?

wellbutty

The 3rd bridge near Maypark is badly needed as well.

The city centre traffic situation will get worse before it gets better, wait for the 50 foot deep excavation of Newgate Street/Stephen's Street/New Street to start......and carried out by truck!

In a perfect world, the Quay would be 3 lanes...1 towards the bridge, 1 from the bridge and 1 right-turning lane in the middle. The removal of the 4th lane would facilitate the current maythem of the inside lane on the shops side.

Enforcement of the law would also help of course...same in Arundel Square.

DanGlee

wellbutty wrote: »

Toll plaza construction is well underway

OMG... thats the just s**t... Oh well, looks like I'll be using the old road so into Waterford... And to be honest, I really don't see there being a reduction in the amount of traffic. People just simply traveling to work into Waterford from KK area (Mullinavat, Kilmcow, Bally Hale or New Ross, Wexford etc) will not want to pay to go to work... I for one certainly wont be... thats a F**KING JOKE! Whose ever idea it was should be taken out, hanged off the bridge and stoned! Council Pr**ks!

mike65

NRA and the dept of transport decide these things not the council. They'd love to have a toll free bridge.

Sully

fricatus wrote: »

Trouble with the traffic wardens is that as far as I know, their remit is to do with revenue, not traffic flow. I think the Garda are the people who are responsible for keeping the traffic moving - so in that case, why aren't they down moving people along down on the Quay?

Regarding this.. Afaik its the wardens job to ensure that car parks are being used correctly (valid tickets for example) and they have the power to place tickets on cars parking illegal (double yellow lines). They have a tendency to focus mainly on car parks around the city center. Not sure if they could ask a car parked on a lane on the quay to move on. Thats more of a guards job which I never see done.

Lately what I do see them doing is, the trafffic core that is, pulling up on the quay with lights & sirens and encouraging traffic to move on and not be driving so slow with large gaps between cars. They do this on the quay and credit union on Parnell St (right street name there?). Mind you I only saw it twice as I was there on peak times (I usually avoid the quay as I travelly almost several times daily to Ferrybank and other places in the city on work) over the last month.

fricatus wrote: »

Mods, my post from 14.23... apologies, but could you move it to the other thread?

Link to both the post in question and new topic please. Just to be on the safe side.

wellbutty

Whose ever idea it was should be taken out, hanged off the bridge and stoned! Council Pr**ks!

The project is what's known as a PPP scheme which means that it's funded by a private firm. Tolling is how they get their money back!

Jambo

fricatus wrote: »

Just to clarify: straight on inbound at the bridge, first left behind Days Hotel, first left again by the new Spa, and then left again onto the Quay.

On the subject of HGVs, they should be able to do this route, with the possible exception of the biggest artics, but I've seen artics pull some fairly mean feats. I mean they handle Thomastown, don't they?

Sorry fricatus I must have read that wrong , but I still argue that penrose lane gets blocked with traffic fair easy .

I still go with what mike has sketched , which I think is been provided for when grattan quay is widened

DanGlee

mike65 wrote: »

NRA and the dept of transport decide these things not the council. They'd love to have a toll free bridge.

NRA? National Rifle Association? lol


Yeah, sorry, got that one arseways... still stupid though... I thought thats what "road tax" was for? I must be really silly thinking that the "road" tax would be spent on the roads for the road users...

I]laughing at self[/I

fricatus

Sully wrote: »

Link to both the post in question and new topic please. Just to be on the safe side.

Cheers Sully.

New thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055439035
My post from this one: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58228695&postcount=19

Sully

fricatus wrote: »

Cheers Sully.

New thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055439035
My post from this one: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58228695&postcount=19

Done but its not right. The orders a mess. One of the biggest paints I tell ya. What ya wanna do?

fricatus

DanGlee wrote: »

OMG... thats the just s**t... Oh well, looks like I'll be using the old road so into Waterford... And to be honest, I really don't see there being a reduction in the amount of traffic. People just simply traveling to work into Waterford from KK area (Mullinavat, Kilmcow, Bally Hale or New Ross, Wexford etc) will not want to pay to go to work... I for one certainly wont be... thats a F**KING JOKE! Whose ever idea it was should be taken out, hanged off the bridge and stoned! Council Pr**ks!

I'm laughing away here at all of DanGlee's foul language

But yeah... it's crap that they're putting a toll on it. The Jack Lynch tunnel in Cork is free, so why not the new bridge here?

My suggestion earlier was that they should toll Rice Bridge and make the new one free. Obviously Rice Bridge would be free for buses, taxis, etc.

If you think about it this way, the Greens etc., are all in favour of road pricing depending on time of day, congestion levels, etc. London has the congestion charge. Meanwhile we in Ireland are building a lovely new bridge for €600m or whatever it is, and then for the want of a few more pennies, we're slapping a stupid toll on it, which will cause people to travel through an older, more congested area, past historic buildings! Pennywise and pound foolish. The mind just boggles... :rolleyes:

Typewriter

fricatus wrote: »

Dunmore Road:

A lot of the tailbacks there in the morning are caused by the pedestrian lights at Powerscourt not being in sequence with the lights 50m away at the top of Island Lane.

Solution: link the two sets of lights so that they change together.

I totally agree! I ve been saying this to people since I moved hear.

Edit:

wellbutty wrote: »

The 3rd bridge near Maypark is badly needed as well.

The Wha???

This would be sweet!!!

Is that actually happening?

Sully

DanGlee wrote: »

OMG... thats the just s**t... Oh well, looks like I'll be using the old road so into Waterford... And to be honest, I really don't see there being a reduction in the amount of traffic. People just simply traveling to work into Waterford from KK area (Mullinavat, Kilmcow, Bally Hale or New Ross, Wexford etc) will not want to pay to go to work... I for one certainly wont be... thats a F**KING JOKE! Whose ever idea it was should be taken out, hanged off the bridge and stoned! Council Pr**ks!

Second warning..

Ease up on the language. Forum is viewed by people of all ages.

Thanks.

tonc76

fricatus wrote: »

My suggestion earlier was that they should toll Rice Bridge and make the new one free. Obviously Rice Bridge would be free for buses, taxis, etc. :rolleyes:

The bypass is being built as a PPP scheme where the PPP Co. foot the bill to construct the scheme. The contract stipulates that the PPP Co. must maintain and service the road for a set number of years and to recoup the monies spent by way of a toll. While the monies collected will be vastly greater tha the money spent the initial outlay (€600m?) could not be met by the Govt.

Its a fact that all over the country "locals" rarely use the tolled routes as they know the "old way" and don't want to pay for what they don't have to. The economy as a whole benefits from quicker travel times, reduced fuel consumption, improved road safety etc.

The toll is not designed to "catch" people. Some will never use it. If travelling from the Dunmore Road to say Dublin on a Friday at 5pm would you choose to head into town and then down the quay and over bridge or pay €2? and take the ORR and over the new bridge?

Traffic congestion in the city will begin to drop soon after the bypass is opened. Air quality and road safety in the city will improve as a result.

There would be no point in tolling Rice Bridge as the the majority of people would just use the free route and who would pay for the bypass?

mike65

The state obviously, tolling a city BP is the height of folly.

wellbutty

Quote:
Originally Posted by wellbutty
The 3rd bridge near Maypark is badly needed as well.

The Wha???

This would be sweet!!!

Is that actually happening?

See section 3.8 of the City development plan:
http://www.waterfordcity.ie/documents/developmentplan/DevelopmentPlanAsIssued.pdf

Typewriter

It's a great idea (especially as i drive from Ardkeen to Wexford town every day) but the way things are at the moment id say give it at lest til the year 2020.

OonaghHearne

I always wondered where drivers vented their anger with the driving habits of some people. Having visited/lived in other ancient cities not designed for cars, I have been happily surprised that road rage has still not hit Ireland and in particular Waterford to any great extent. Only once in the last 7 years have I heard someone blast a horn at another's inconsideration. Keeping the anger for the Boards is better than listening to blasting horns all day and makes Waterford a better place for us and visitors.

Sweeno

i dont have any solutions to add, but i cant fkin wait till they open up a bypass or w/e the **** their doin.. i get the bus down to waterford every mornin, it leaves the quay in New Ross at 8 am and most mornings doesnt get across the bridge in waterford until 9/9.10am.. its usually a 20/30min drive! traffic is backed all the way out from the bridge to aldi on that big new roundabout..

DanGlee

Firstly (sorry for language yesterday... was a long day and this stoked my fire... I hate those people that park on that key... but I said that already)

Out of curiosity... would there ever be an option for people that live within a certain proximity of the city, that travel to work everyday, that would avail of the new bridge, but obviously don't want to pay €2 (or more) to have the privlidge of coming into work. Say, if you lived and proved you lived within 10 miles of the bridge you can cross for free or something. It be like if you lived in a congestion zone in London maybe (I don't think they pay... do they?)

That would be good... then you would get the locals that work up and around the IDA to use the new bridge, cut the traffic on the old one and not have to pay €20 a week to go to work... and lets face it... most of us hate getting up and going to work and having to pay somebody €20 a week extra would not make people happy!

tonc76

mike65 wrote: »

The state obviously, tolling a city BP is the height of folly.

But the state didn't/don't have the resources to finance it. Thats why its a PPP scheme! The majority of locals won't pay the toll anyway as they'll prefer to use the "old route".

gscully

mike65 wrote: »

The state obviously, tolling a city BP is the height of folly.

There's gonna be a toll at the top of the Folly??? Nnnnooooooooooooooo!!!