ministerial cars exempt from levy

sam34

just heard on news that the ministerial cars will be exempt from the parking levy because they "dont have designated parking spaces in leinster house". WTF? i dont have a designated space with my name on it at my workplace, but i bet i'll have to pay the €200. why should they get away without paying it? and lets face it, they can easily afford it.
or heres an idea- paint their names on the spaces so they have designated ones, and then charge them.
and while theyre at it, they shouldnt be swanning around in mercs in these economic times.

ranr rant rant...

RobBrn

Did you really expect anything else?

Ulysses Gaze

just heard on news that the ministerial cars will be exempt from the parking levy because they "dont have designated parking spaces in leinster house".

Not like this Govrnment is leading by example so it doesn't surprise me one iota......

Mint Sauce

i thought it was because they were garda/state cars

sam34

they quoted brian lenihan on the news as saying it was because they didnt have designated spaces.

phantom_lord

it's hardly thread worthy that the gov doesn't have to pay a levy on their cars?

This kind of crap really p* me off.
Seriously, yeah sure they always get away with it but maybe for once people could try telling them to shove it
:mad:
Blatantly taking the p* at this stage and they're happy to make severe education cutbacks and deny cancer vaccines in the meantime

edit: I mean yeah, them paying this levy isn't going to cover those costs even remotely, I just mean in principle, y'know?

dr.bollocko

They just dont have the intelligence or man power to stem the tide any more.

rubadub

They'd just give themselves a €200 rise to pay it. Then the taxpayer would also foot the administration fees involved too.

sam34

phantom_lord wrote: »

it's hardly thread worthy that the gov doesn't have to pay a levy on their cars?

i think it is, given the current state of the nation's finances, and the rhetoric coming from lenihan about us doing our "patriotic duty". that's blatant hypocrisy from him. as the above poster said, it's not like their parking levies will make up the huge deficits, but as tesco says, every little helps. leading by example would be an idea for them.
i doubt they'd accept me spouting the same excuse for not paying the levy.

sam34

sam34 wrote: »

i think it is, given the current state of the nation's finances, and the rhetoric coming from lenihan about us doing our "patriotic duty". that's blatant hypocrisy from him. as the above poster said, it's not like their parking levies will make up the huge deficits, but as tesco says, every little helps. leading by example would be an idea for them.
i doubt they'd accept me spouting the same excuse for not paying the levy.

I wonder if everyone could refuse to pay it until the govt do without taking a payrise for it.
Now that might be an idea

Bob the Builder

we should make them get tandem bikes. That way, they can lead properly by example, and still keep their own driver cyclist.

trout

Oh wow ... I never saw that one coming ... what a surprise :rolleyes:

On a serious note - are civil servants who are provided spaces liable for the levy ?

Terry

They don't pay for the cars either, do they?

RandomAccess

I'm begining to despair at the direction this country is heading.
I could start... but what good is one more rant going to do.

I really wish some group would petrol-bomb leinster house to jar the Government into some form of self awareness, but the only ones with the time and gumption are our OAP's.

ozt9vdujny3srf

Bitch and moan all you want, but if you dont like them, next time don't ****ing vote for them.

Aliyah Shapely Mouser the Uncivil

Aliyah Shapely Mouser the Uncivil wrote: »

Bitch and moan all you want, but if you dont like them, next time don't ****ing vote for them.

I didn't vote for them last time.
In the meantime, I'd like them *not* to destroy the country as much as possible before their (hopeful) exit...

Terodil

Aliyah Shapely Mouser the Uncivil wrote: »

Bitch and moan all you want, but if you dont like them, next time don't ****ing vote for them.

Nomen est omen.

trout

I didn't vote for them either ... but I'm not sure there is a credible alternative anymore

marzic

right, if thay had to pay for parking spaces, where do you suppose the money might come from?... you get 3 guesses and the first 2 dont count... come on, you can do it!

The_Minister

Any levy on the Ministerial cars would be paid for by the government anyway (government business etc).

So the government would be paying back the money to itself, which woul be kina silly.

AFAIK TDs have to pay the levy on their personal cars.

ODS

€250,000 pay per minister and they won't cough up €200?

FFS :mad:

The_Minister

The_Minister wrote: »

Any levy on the Ministerial cars would be paid for by the government anyway (government business etc).

So the government would be paying back the money to itself, which woul be kina silly.

It would be an improvement on "what BS excuse can we come up with today - oh yeah, let's say we don't have particular parking spots, that should do it, who's going to care anyway"

jahalpin

What's the problem?

The ministerial cars belong to the state and are used to ferry a minister of state around the country

If civil "servants" were to be exempt from the levy then it would be very unfair. They've had it easy for far too long, they should have to get public transport to and from work.

sdanseo

Oh for the love of god, not another PC thread bashing people for the few perks of the job.

Think about it FFS, why would the government give money to THEMSELVES to pay for the tax anyway?

The mind boggles.

dresden8

jahalpin wrote: »

What's the problem?

The ministerial cars belong to the state and are used to ferry a minister of state around the country

If civil "servants" were to be exempt from the levy then it would be very unfair. They've had it easy for far too long, they should have to get public transport to and from work.

Public transport. That's only for private sector scum. Us civil "employees" will no doubt next be taking the government jet to work.

Or something.

Bob the Builder

Personally I believe public and private sector workers should be treated the same in every way - including how they get to and from work.

Did you know that there's two extra drivers employed to go to dublin in the morning to be ready to transport the ministers, and providing all the rest of the drivers show up for work, them two extra drivers can go home, and have already earned their days pay.

The only restriction is that they cannot go into other employment during the hours when they're being paid to "work".

Thoie

The levy, which is to be collected by the employer from the employee is contingent on the employee's entitlement to use (as distinct from actual use) of a parking space. This quite broad, and includes situations where:

• the employee holds or has been issued with any type of authorisation to use a parking space or is given any type of permission (including arrangements or agreements with the employee) to use a parking space,
• the employee holds or has been issued with any form or means of access to a parking space;
• the employee has been allocated a dedicated parking space;
• the employee has been allocated a parking space on a shared basis or other similar arrangement,
• the availability of a parking space to the employee is on a first-come - first-served basis.

If there are no designated parking spaces in Leinster House, surely that falls under the first-come-first-served rule, and therefore they should be charged it anyway?

Biggins

sam34 wrote: »

just heard on news that the ministerial cars will be exempt from the parking levy because they "dont have designated parking spaces in leinster house". WTF? i dont have a designated space with my name on it at my workplace, but i bet i'll have to pay the €200. why should they get away without paying it? and lets face it, they can easily afford it.
or heres an idea- paint their names on the spaces so they have designated ones, and then charge them.
and while theyre at it, they shouldnt be swanning around in mercs in these economic times.

Like others might have mentioned, its's one rule for us and other rule for them.
Its just another daily example of they thinking they can run roughshod over the rest of us.

At this stage anything they want me to do for them, I will do exactly the opposite and come the next referendum, they can shove that too where the sun don't shine!
I value the dirt on my shoes better than the bunch of (in)government dirtbags in the Dail at the moment.
...I suspect I'm not the only one that feels this way!

Capt'n Midnight

Thoie wrote:

f there are no designated parking spaces in Leinster House, surely that falls under the first-come-first-served rule, and therefore they should be charged it anyway?

I've heard of people having problems with getting a millage rate accepted by the revenue. In the end they just stuck down the civil service rate which was much higher than the real one, and they couldn't complain.

similarly we could simply do / quote the exact words the government use to get out of this one

phantom_lord

sam34 wrote: »

i think it is, given the current state of the nation's finances, and the rhetoric coming from lenihan about us doing our "patriotic duty". that's blatant hypocrisy from him. as the above poster said, it's not like their parking levies will make up the huge deficits, but as tesco says, every little helps. leading by example would be an idea for them.
i doubt they'd accept me spouting the same excuse for not paying the levy.

u misinterpreted my post. even if the cars weren't except the individual ministers wouldn't be paying the levy, it would be covered by the taxpayer as an expense. so it'd be completely pointless.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Jesus christ lads, the government really **** us over every chance they get, if they happened to be doing a good job I wouldn't mind all these exemptions... Buy they are a SHAM. Equality my hole... Ah I am sick to death of the lot of em. SF it is in the next election :P

Capt'n Midnight

phantom_lord wrote: »

u misinterpreted my post. even if the cars weren't except the individual ministers wouldn't be paying the levy, it would be covered by the taxpayer as an expense. so it'd be completely pointless.

isn't it supposed to come out of their wages ??

also if it is an expense then the punters should be able to claim it against tax

Blazer

I'm more pissed off about their expenses..
Everyone else has to declare and pay tax on their benefit in kind..why shouldn't the TDs as well?

rotinaj

Thoie wrote: »

The levy, which is to be collected by the employer from the employee is contingent on the employee's entitlement to use (as distinct from actual use) of a parking space. This quite broad, and includes situations where:

Does this mean that even if I dont use a car, but there is parking provided, that I still have to pay?

Hagar

Why would they pay tax on their BIK? AFAIK they pay no tax at all on their salary or pensions.

Sam Vimes

marzic wrote: »

right, if thay had to pay for parking spaces, where do you suppose the money might come from?... you get 3 guesses and the first 2 dont count... come on, you can do it!

The salary that we already pay them that won't automatically increase when the levy comes in

Biggins wrote: »

Like others might have mentioned, its's one rule for us and other rule for them.
Its just another daily example of they thinking they can run roughshod over the rest of us.

At this stage anything they want me to do for them, I will do exactly the opposite and come the next referendum, they can shove that too where the sun don't shine!
I value the dirt on my shoes better than the bunch of (in)government dirtbags in the Dail at the moment.
...I suspect I'm not the only one that feels this way!

You realise that referenda are usually about changing some aspect of the law that will affect your own life far more than it will theirs and voting whatever way the government don't want you to to spite them makes absolutely no sense right?

Sam Vimes

btw, is what they're saying right? Is there a rule that if there's no designated parking you don't have to pay? Seems to me designated parking would be very rare

And if not, what can possibaly be said if someone uses the same parking system and doesn't want to pay?

Jonty

Terry wrote: »

They don't pay for the cars either, do they?

Do they pay Benefit in Kind for the car/driver

sam34

phantom_lord wrote: »

even if the cars weren't except the individual ministers wouldn't be paying the levy, it would be covered by the taxpayer as an expense. so it'd be completely pointless.

why cant the ministers pay it out of their salary, like i and countless others will be doing?

daveharnett

Biggins wrote: »

At this stage anything they want me to do for them, I will do exactly the opposite and come the next referendum, they can shove that too where the sun don't shine!
...I suspect I'm not the only one that feels this way!

Wow. Pearse would be proud.

This kind of small minded nonsense makes me despair for democracy.