handbag weapons

Silenceisbliss

Yo peeps,

I has a question:

Pepper spray/ CS gas / mace....etc.. Is it legal in Ireland? and if so is it enforced?

for example, do any of you girls have a can of either in your handbags for self defence?

and if you go into clubs or whatever do the bouncers look for this and call you up on it if they see it?

muchos grassy-ass

Pighead

Silenceisbliss wrote: »

Yo peeps,

I has a question:

Pepper spray/ CS gas / mace....etc.. Is it legal in Ireland? and if so is it enforced?

for example, do any of you girls have a can of either in your handbags for self defence?

and if you go into clubs or whatever do the bouncers look for this and call you up on it if they see it?

muchos grassy-ass

What are you up to Silenceisbliss? You remind Pighead of a shady character walking past a bank whilst casing the joint.

Ladies: DO NOT ANSWER THIS MANS QUESTION. HE MAY BE DANGEROUS.

bythewoods

Deodorant's just as efficient as pepper spray... seemingly.
I was made take self- defence classes last year, this is what i was told.
Also- keys are a handy weapon.
(I've yet to test these out!)

No idea as to whether pepper spray's legal or not..

Turd Ferguson

No too sure if its illegal, but I have a can of pepper spray. I dont bring it out with me, it's purely for pranking and messing with friends. Its pretty lethal stuff actually.

fullstop

Pepper spray is illegal in this country

themadchef

No cans necessary.



Stilletto to the head ftw

Roadend

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

No too sure if its illegal, but I have a can of pepper spray. I dont bring it out with me, it's purely for pranking and messing with friends. Its pretty lethal stuff actually.

One spray and you're south of the border

Dragan

Silenceisbliss wrote: »

Yo peeps,

I has a question:

Pepper spray/ CS gas / mace....etc.. Is it legal in Ireland? and if so is it enforced?

Yes it is illegal and yes it is enforced. If found on you it would be considered to be an illegal weapon.

and if you go into clubs or whatever do the bouncers look for this and call you up on it if they see it?

muchos grassy-ass

Of course they will, you are trying to carry a weapon into the club.

Pighead

Silenceisbliss wrote: »

Yo peeps,

I has a question:

Pepper spray/ CS gas / mace....etc.. Is it legal in Ireland? and if so is it enforced?

for example, do any of you girls have a can of either in your handbags for self defence?

and if you go into clubs or whatever do the bouncers look for this and call you up on it if they see it?

muchos grassy-ass

Silenceinbliss' not so subtle message.
Be careful out there girls.

Shacklebolt

Pighead wrote: »

Silenceinbliss' not so subtle message.
Be careful out there girls.

Your mastery of anagrams and other such codes continues to astound us all Pighead.

S.I.R

just do what all cowards do, carry a blade, non locking not longer then your middle finger and you can legally carry it, such as swiss army knifes and simular.... :rolleyes:

Silenceisbliss

ah pighead..... the workings of your mind disturb and amuse me.

i was just wondering cause I thought I might get my sisters some for xmas to have just in case. me being such a deadly bro n all.

also, deodrant not even nearly as effective as CS gas. one of the lads I live with bought some here just to test it out and see what it feels like. the stuff doesnt really get youre eyes as much as you think. It's your breathing that it attacks with a vengence. funny stuff actually.

NewFrockTuesday

one of the lads I live with bought some here just to test it out and see what it feels like. the stuff doesnt really get youre eyes as much as you think. It's your breathing that it attacks with a vengence

.

Are you telling me your housemate just pounced you with a faceful of deo?


:pac:


Whoever you live with, ye deserve each other.

rotinaj

Why carry a weapon in your handbag when you can carry a handbag thats a weapon

Dyr

If you're carrying anything that you intend to use as a weapon then you're breaking de law and de gardees will catch ye

"(5) Where a person has with him in any public place any article intended by him unlawfully to cause injury to, incapacitate or intimidate any person either in a particular eventuality or otherwise, he shall be guilty of an offence."

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1990/en/act/pub/0012/sec0009.html#zza12y1990s9

though it says "him" so maybe teh wimminz are excempt :pac:

Das Kitty

themadchef wrote: »

No cans necessary.



Stilletto to the head ftw

:pac:
I learned that one from an episode of Columbo.

Das Kitty

Silenceisbliss wrote: »

i was just wondering cause I thought I might get my sisters some for xmas to have just in case.

LOL!

The image of your sisters opening their presents and seeing that you have bought them tear gas. There's a sitcom episode in that, although probably just an episode of two pints, so I wouldn't get too excited.

By the way, did you see Watchdog yesterday and get ideas?

Silenceisbliss

Deepsense wrote: »

.

Are you telling me your housemate just pounced you with a faceful of deo?

well no, not really. dont tell anyone but, ahem....I may have sprayed myself in the eyes before by accident.

sometimes I even worry about myself.

TequilaMockingBird

Very pointy tweezers are a handy thing to carry in ones bag. I sometimes felt the need to be prepared in case a rouge eyebrow hair needed plucking while walking late at night in London.

Perhaps your sisters might not be quite as alarmed if you got them tweezers? Still odd though...

Silenceisbliss

meh, it was just an idea for a side little joke present. ah well

oztots

I believe in the pain of pepper spray, i know somebody who bought some and we all had a go, if it does get you in the eyes you'll know about it, eyes are watering now thinking about it.
And it doubles people over fairly quick with heaving coughs.

Legalise it in ireland and every little pikey will be willfully spraying people and robbing them. Then of course you could have some to.

rubadub

bythewoods wrote: »

Deodorant's just as efficient as pepper spray... seemingly.

if you hold a lighter in front of the spray maybe. Pepper spray is VERY strong, anybody around it will be affected too.

You could just make your own putting tobasco in a water pistol, or prefume atomiser. The bouncers would not notice it, could be good if you suscpect some nosey bitch in work is rifling through your stuff. Come back to your desk and she is on the ground roaring in agony after nicking your perfume.

citytillidie

themadchef wrote: »

No cans necessary.



Stilletto to the head ftw

I seen that one night when closing up the pub two girls beating up a guy with the heels of their shoes, not a pretty sight

Manic Moran

Where a person has with him in any public place any article intended by him unlawfully to cause injury to, incapacitate or intimidate any person either in a particular eventuality or otherwise, he shall be guilty of an offence."

I've bolded the important bit. Defending yourself is lawful in Ireland. The purpose of that statute is to give grounds to go after people carrying otherwise legal items such as hammers or cricket bats when they intended to crack someone's head, the intent is the important bit, not the nature of the implement.

The problem is that many of the items which are very suitable for defence are restricted by name in other statutes. You need to find the statute specifically prohibiting posession of pepper spray. If it doesn't exist, you may carry it. If it does exist, you're not supposed to.

NTM

Rovi

Manic Moran wrote: »

You need to find the statute specifically prohibiting posession of pepper spray. If it doesn't exist, you may carry it. If it does exist, you're not supposed to.

NTM

Criminal Justice Act 2006

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2006/en/act/pub/0026/sec0026.html#id1152029039.7

Amendment of section 1 of Principal Act.
(25.— In this Part “Principal Act” means the Firearms Act 1925)

26.— Section 1 of the Principal Act is amended by the substitution of the following subsection for subsection (1):

(1) In this Act—
“ firearm ” means—
...
(e) a prohibited weapon,
...
“ prohibited weapon ” means and includes any weapon of whatever description designed for the discharge of any noxious liquid, noxious gas or other noxious thing, and also any ammunition (whether for any such weapon or any other weapon) which contains or is designed or adapted to contain any noxious liquid, noxious gas or other noxious thing;

Pepper spray/CS gas/mace/etc are all regarded as 'firearms' under the above legislation, and are treated as such by the Gardai.
They could, I suppose, be licenced like any other 'firearm', but I've never heard of any such licence being issued.

jim o doom

If you want something in your handbag to protect yourself, just have a few biros - and go for a soft spot with one of those. Neck, eye, im between the knuckles of a closed fist - with a plastic biro it will probably only work the once, but you can have a steel biro in the mix as well. This is obviously "last option" self defense, but it's good to have something on your person. A fist full of coins makes a punch a lot harder and heavier too, or keys, with a key or 2 sticking out between the knuckles. Really you can use a lot of strange things as weapons.. for instance; deoderant was mentionned, I don't know about spraying someone in the face, that might distract them for a bit, & then you could use it for some blunt trauma to the auld cranium. There's no need to be carrying around knives or other illegal weapons, when so many every day things can be used! Of course attacking someone with any sort of weapon is WAY off the mark & should only be used if you are fearing for your life. Go for the nuts & run

redout

If pepper spray is now ok for the gardai to carry then I reckon its fair game.

Nodin

redout wrote: »

If pepper spray is now ok for the gardai to carry then I reckon its fair game.

emmm...We don't live in a "fair" world. The fact that a branch of the state is issued with equipment has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not a private citizen can have access to it.

r3nu4l

redout wrote: »

If pepper spray is now ok for the gardai to carry then I reckon its fair game.

Ha ha, that kind of logic can cause serious widening of your butthole.*









*When you end up in prison after trying to use said logic as your defence in court!

Hagar

I doubt the usefulness of carrying a weapon in a handbag. Most women take 10 mins to find their purse at the supermarket checkout. And that is when they already know in advance that they have to pay for stuff. Imagine how long it would take to find something when attacked unexpectedly.

r3nu4l

Hagar wrote: »

I doubt the usefulness of carrying a weapon in a handbag. Most women take 10 mins to find their purse at the supermarket checkout. And that is when they already know in advance that they have to pay for stuff. Imagine how long it would take to find something when attacked unexpectedly.

Genius!

I reckon that a scientific study is in order.

Place 40 women at a 'normal' checkout - Checkout A (Control group)
Place 40 women at a 'surprise sex' checkout - Checkout B

See how long it takes women at Checkout A to find their purse
See how long it takes women at Checkout B to find their weapon

Women at checkout A will of course take ten minutes to pay for their goods. If women at checkout B find and use a weapon in less than 5 seconds, then I propose the introduction of 'surprise sex clerks' at all checkouts.

Shoppers will be informed of their presence and told that the only way to avoid surprise sex is to pay for their goods in a timely fashion.

Notes:
The surprise sex clerks should not be Brad Pitt/George Clooney types as this may cause results that are the inverse of those desired.

Dyr

what's best is the ould biddies who look deeply shocked when the shoppy asks them for money, before rooting for their bag, and then rooting for their purse, and then rooting for the exact change. Maybe if there was a tardiness tariff we'd sort them out.

Puddleduck

Who needs weapons. Just fill your handbag with various items and if your attacked use it as a weapon. I have old phones, plugs, hair clips, bottles of water, sometimes a lunchbox.

Nodin

It should be noted that even having a weapon and having it almost immediately to hand are no guarantee that one would have the presence of mind at the time to use it, particularily in a situation where you are indeed 'suprised'.. In fact, unless you've trained to the point where its instinctive, the odds are you won't go for it in the seconds you should.

That goes for both genders, I might add.

Nodin

Bambi wrote: »

what's best is the ould biddies who look deeply shocked when the shoppy asks them for money, before rooting for their bag, and then rooting for their purse, and then rooting for the exact change. Maybe if there was a tardiness tariff we'd sort them out.

Paying by cheque for a litre of milk and a 10 pack of Benny Hedges........

A black uniformed menacing type, with a luger in an open holster would be more effective. Put a tariff on and they'll only start whinging about that and demanding to see the management. 'Dr Luger' gets round that kind of thing.

Dyr

I was going to mention that it's alway a queue of them fordin johnnies with one item and the ould credit card in hand, despite the fact that their cards always break the machine,.

Silenceisbliss

Nodin wrote: »

It should be noted that even having a weapon and having it almost immediately to hand are no guarantee that one would have the presence of mind at the time to use it, particularily in a situation where you are indeed 'suprised'.. In fact, unless you've trained to the point where its instinctive, the odds are you won't go for it in the seconds you should.

That goes for both genders, I might add.

This is true in ways I must agree, However that logic doesnt at all negate the usefullness of such an item. For instance just having it gives one peace of mind and confidence in their own mind.

If, say a girl is walking alone and feels paranoid or vulnerable, she can always hold it in her hand, up her sleeve or in her pocket. If she is in that state of mind and has run the scenario through her head, she will be alot more effective with a detering weapon.

Confidence is the main attribute.

Donald-Duck

Silenceisbliss wrote: »

This is true in ways I must agree, However that logic doesnt at all negate the usefullness of such an item. For instance just having it gives one peace of mind and confidence in their own mind.

If, say a girl is walking alone and feels paranoid or vulnerable, she can always hold it in her hand, up her sleeve or in her pocket. If she is in that state of mind and has run the scenario through her head, she will be alot more effective with a detering weapon.

Confidence is the main attribute.

So what if her attacker has pepper spray? They'll be able to use it first. She'll be at even mroe of a disadvantage then

And then what happens if some guy just taps her shoulder to ask her for directions and gets pepper sprayed?

psycho-hope

Pepper spray is illegal here, it will be confascatied by customs if you try to import it from the U.S.

I have a panic alarm that i was given by a friend , they wont hurt anyone but feckin hell they are loud,:eek: make enough noise to wake the dead, would definatly distract a would be attacker

It wasn't me!

No, not legal. Classed as a "prohibited weapon" in the firearms act as I recall (not sure which of the eleventy billion amendments and bits and bobs). I don't even remember whether there's an option to select it on a firearms cert application form, but given firearms aren't issued for self defence here, I can't imagine any justification for licensing one, hence its inclusion in CJA 2006, which Rovi pointed out above.

Silenceisbliss

Donald-Duck wrote: »

So what if her attacker has pepper spray? They'll be able to use it first. She'll be at even mroe of a disadvantage then

And then what happens if some guy just taps her shoulder to ask her for directions and gets pepper sprayed?

what if the attacker had pepper spray???...that makes feck all sence, what if her would be attacker had a knife?

well if he silently approaches a lone girl (what would probably be a night time envirnment if paranoia is the trigger) then imo, he deserves it for being a muppet.

lostexpectation

what about a weapon with a handbag?

Fox McCloud

If i'm walking home alone at night i just carry a nice pointy umbrella, not legally a weapon and ready to use should the need arise!
(looks a bit odd in summer though )

lostexpectation

Fox McCloud wrote: »

If i'm walking home alone at night i just parry a nice pointy umbrella, not legally a weapon and ready to use should the need arise!
(looks a bit odd in summer though )

fixed

redout

Nodin wrote: »

emmm...We don't live in a "fair" world. The fact that a branch of the state is issued with equipment has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not a private citizen can have access to it.

Unless it says somewhere in the law thats it is not legal to carry a spray then I really dont see why not. Whats the difference between spraying someone with pepper spray or deodorant ? Not a whole lot, both will mess you up if sprayed in the eye.

It wasn't me!

redout wrote: »

Unless it says somewhere in the law thats it is not legal to carry a spray then I really dont see why not. Whats the difference between spraying someone with pepper spray or deodorant ? Not a whole lot, both will mess you up if sprayed in the eye.

Pepper spray is properly incapacitating, it is very serious stuff. Doctors treating victims of pepper spraying in hospitals have been known to suffer from exposure to it as well. It causes breathing difficulty and nausea as well as inflamation of the eyes. It is just not legal to carry it.