Supermilk and weight loss

floggg

What do people think of avonmore supermilk as a source of protein post workout for somebody who's trying to lose weight?

I've started drinking a pint of supermilk after weight training to get protein into me, and occassionally drink some the day after as well to up my intake. Its handier than carrying chicken breast around! I know whole milk has a high fat content, but should supermilk by ok if i'm trying to lose weight? Or is even semi-skimmed (or whatever exactly they do to supermilk) still fairly fatty.

I'm a huge fan of milk and supermilk. It's done nothing but good things to me. Yeah it's got a bit of fat in it but it's basically a complete food source of goodness. Supermilk is a great snack and it tastes great.

FunkZ

I can't answer your question.

But I've read that when you want to lose weight you're better off having a diet with either fats or carbs to go with the protein, and that apparently combining the two is a sure way to gain weight. And a lot of people would cut out dairy products when they're losing weight. But if you want milk I'd imagine slimline with a diet that is rich in carbs and proteins and not fats.

But... no one should ever take my advice. Or flame me (that's directed to the other posters ).

crotalus667

floggg wrote: »

What do people think of avonmore supermilk as a source of protein post workout for somebody who's trying to lose weight?

I've started drinking a pint of supermilk after weight training to get protein into me, and occassionally drink some the day after as well to up my intake. Its handier than carrying chicken breast around! I know whole milk has a high fat content, but should supermilk by ok if i'm trying to lose weight? Or is even semi-skimmed (or whatever exactly they do to supermilk) still fairly fatty.

Fat’s should be avoided post workout for about 2 hours , plus milk has casein in it (slow digesting protein , you want fast digesting post workout) if your trying to drop weight I would avoid it , apart from anything else the super / slim line milk’s may appear better on the label but in reality the full fat normal milk is better for you

crotalus667

FunkZ wrote: »

I can't answer your question.

But I've read that when you want to lose weight you're better off having a diet with either fats or carbs to go with the protein, and that apparently combining the two is a sure way to gain weight. And a lot of people would cut out dairy products when they're losing weight. But if you want milk I'd imagine slimline with a diet that is rich in carbs and proteins and not fats.

But... no one should ever take my advice. Or flame me (that's directed to the other posters ).

Sorry but that is bull :rolleyes: you really have to look at the big picture, I avoid most dairy while drooping weight , but low fat cottage cheese and whey are a significant part of my diet

FunkZ

crotalus667 wrote: »

Sorry but that is bull :rolleyes: you really have to look at the big picture, I avoid most dairy while drooping weight , but low fat cottage cheese and whey are a significant part of my diet

That's cool man, you're probably right! I read that somewhere on T Nation over the past few days I think.

I'm trying to lose BF at the moment by eating on a high fat diet, loadsa cheese (but no feckin' milk) and the belly area is improving a lot!

I miss drinking a gallon of milk a day

cmyk

crotalus667 wrote: »

Apart from anything else the super / slim line milk’s may appear better on the label but in reality the full fat normal milk is better for you

Can you expand on that a bit crotalus? I thought skimmed milk packs more protein than normal milk minus the fat. I'm partial to a couple of glasses before bed on a training day. (due to the casein)

Hanley

crotalus667 wrote: »

Sorry but that is bull :rolleyes: you really have to look at the big picture, I avoid most dairy while drooping weight , but low fat cottage cheese and whey are a significant part of my diet

Combing fat, carbs and protein into one meal isn't a good way to gain weight now? ":rolleyes:"

You must have misread his post. I believe he was stating that combing carbs and protein, or fat and protein into meals when dieting is preferable to having carbs, fat and protein together.


How's full fat milke "better" for you anyway? I've never heard that before and I'm not dismissing it. Just curious.

crotalus667

cmyk wrote: »

Can you expand on that a bit crotalus? I thought skimmed milk packs more protein than normal milk minus the fat. I'm partial to a couple of glasses before bed on a training day. (due to the casein)

It’s to do with the process of getting rid of the fat , basically it removes a lot of other stuff with it , if you want something pre-bed try a tub of low fat cottage cheese

cmyk

crotalus667 wrote: »

It’s to do with the process of getting rid of the fat , basically it removes a lot of other stuff with it , if you want something pre-bed try a tub of low fat cottage cheese

I know this is true with the likes of caffeine>caffeine free coffee, and certain low fat foods but never heard that about skimmed milk, interesting though, do you have any links to what's removed? Not a huge cottage cheese fan but maybe I just need to 'man' up! :rolleyes:

crotalus667

Hanley wrote: »

You must have misread his post. I believe he was stating that combing carbs and protein, or fat and protein into meals when dieting is preferable to having carbs, fat and protein together.

It is preferable, but you can lose weight having carbs, fat and protein together (ok it will be slower), what i was trying to point out is that the important thing is your overall calorie intake ,

Hanley wrote: »

How's full fat milke "better" for you anyway? I've never heard that before and I'm not dismissing it. Just curious.

According to one of the ntc tutors (who has a masters) a lot of the nutrients are lost when they start altering it and apparently the added vitamins and minerals in super milk types are very hard for your body to process ,I still drink slim line myself in my coffee but only as a change to black coffee I like to get my calcium from the LF cottage cheese

crotalus667

cmyk wrote: »

do you have any links to what's removed?

No sorry I don’t , but on of the big ones is calcium hence why they add it to the low fat milk ,( if you look at the lf it has more calcium than the ff the only prob is that it is harder for your body to utilise the added calcium than it is to utilise the calcium that is naturally there )

cmyk wrote: »

Not a huge cottage cheese fan but maybe I just need to 'man' up! :rolleyes:

Dont worry after a few tub's you will start to like it

Cravez

I think if you keep the rest of your carbs clean and keep training at a high intensity it's a great food for building up and keeping quite lean. I went from 70kg's at 12-14% bodyfat to 90kg at 13% bodyfat while i was drinking 2-3 litres of supermilk a day and i did no cardio during that period either. Plenty of High Intensity during my training i.e less rest between sets, supersetting exercises & doing powercleans and power snatches. Milk is an excellent addition to post workout, my old makeshift PWO was whey, pint of milk and then a banana, then have a feed-up soon afterwards.

Some reading here also:
- http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/news/20070808/milk-the-best-muscle-builder
- http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Research/Milk-helps-exercise-recovery-researchers
- http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/79235.php
- http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/86/2/373

Alot of them are from the same study, so it goes to show that it has been well researched. The last one even suggested skimmed milk though (blargrggh!)

rubadub

Hanley wrote: »

How's full fat milke "better" for you anyway? I've never heard that before and I'm not dismissing it.

I thought you would have heard/read Rippetoe saying it. He was saying how it is a perfect mix, I would have thought a different mix might be better. i.e. how is it a fluke that cows milk is perfect. Human milk has a lot more carbs than cow milk.

crotalus667 wrote: »

According to one of the ntc tutors (who has a masters) a lot of the nutrients are lost when they start altering it and apparently the added vitamins and minerals in super milk types are very hard for your body to process

I would have thought it needed little processing, I thought it was just "skimmed" off the top, and hence the name, but maybe not. I would think skimmed is goes through more than low fat. You have a point with the calciums, I saw a program where people were put on calcium and they lost fat. The calcium is meant to bind to fat and help lose weight (i.e. passes through you). You can get dairy calcium supps in supermarkets now for weight loss.

They usually add proteins to skim/lowfat milk to give it a better texture, like full fat. Also as you take fat out the other %'s will naturally increase accordingly.

I also read something about farmers feeding pigs skimmed milk with the aim of fattening them up, i.e. feeding them full fat milk lead to weight loss. Will have to have a look for that.

RoosterIllusion

crotalus667 wrote: »

(slow digesting protein , you want fast digesting post workout)

I would normally have a steak or chicken/turkey after a workout, am I better off switching to chicken or turkey full time instead of the slow digesting red meat? I would rarely drink a steak after a workout if I had food at hand, so assume I'm sticking to actual food in this example.