Lakeside 2009

NeoRox

Draw for the BDO World Championship has been made. Some good matches in the first round. Will Robert Wagner beat Gary Anderson again or will he finally show the talent that we all know he has.

Hankey vs Woods should be a good match as should Martin Atkins vs. Joey Ten Berge.



EDDY SIMS (16) (AUS) v ROBERT HUGHES (WAL)

GARY ANDERSON (1) (SCOT) v ROBERT WAGNER (NOR)

TONY O’SHEA (9) (ENG) v DANIEL LARSSON (SWE)

EDWIN MAX (8) (NETH) v KRZYSZTOF RATAJSKI (POL)

SIMON WHITLOCK (12) (AUS) v MARK BARILLI (SCOT)

DARRYL FITTON (5) (ENG) v MARK SALMON (WAL)

STEVE WEST (13) (ENG) v ALAN NORRIS (SWE)

SCOTT WAITES (4) (ENG) v ROSS SMITH (ENG)

JOHN WALTON (15) (ENG) v SHAUN GREATBATCH (ENG)

MARK WEBSTER (2) (WAL) v WILLY VAN DE WIEL (NETH)

ROSS MONTGOMERY (10) (SCOT) v MARTIN PHILLIPS (WAL)

TED HANKEY (7) (ENG) v BRIAN WOODS (ENG)

GARY ROBSON (6) (ENG) v STEPHEN BUNTING (ENG)

MARTIN ATKINS (11) (ENG) v JOEY TEN BERGE (NETH)

GARRY THOMPSON (14) (ENG) v DARYL GURNEY (N. IRELAND)

MARTIN ADAMS (3) (ENG) v DAVE CHISNALL (ENG)

Kingp35

Some very good players in that draw, should be a good tournament.

Anyone know the dates for this? When does it start and end? I presume that it's not going to clash with the PDC tournament.

NeoRox

It starts on the 3rd of January and I'm guessing that it will finish on Sunday the 11th.

Carrickman

dionsiseire

Interesting they call it the Lakeside World Professionals and not World Championship

NeoRox

Starting today at 1pm on BBC for all who forgot.

slicus ricus

Gary Anderson got through the 1st round, which can only be good news for the competition as a whole. It was a tight enough game, finished 3-2 with Anderson pulling ahead in the last 2 sets. Now that he's gotten through the 1st round and overcome that bogey, I reckon we could well be seeing him in the final.

sofireland

Watched the 1st game, what struck me was how well behaved in comparision to the PDC the crowd was.

shiibata

sofireland wrote: »

Watched the 1st game, what struck me was how well behaved in comparision to the PDC the crowd was.

Ye, was thinking the same alright but it always usuall is. No break every 5 mins helps too.

callaway92

My god..Players are useless..Score announcers are useless..Commentators are useless..Crowd are useless..Winmau dartboards are useless..Prize money is useless..

PDC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BDO

ratinakeg

callaway92 wrote: »

My god..Players are useless..Score announcers are useless..Commentators are useless..Crowd are useless..Winmau dartboards are useless..Prize money is useless..

PDC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BDO

Not all the players are useless, I'd agree with you on everything apart from that but some players are absolute rubbish

Ronan|Raven

The crowd are useless for what? Not acting like a bunch of beered up apes like you see at PDC events?

ratinakeg

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

The crowd are useless for what? Not acting like a bunch of beered up apes like you see at PDC events?

Not a looker between them:D, They all look depressed. I wouldn't pay to watch this rubbish. I felt suicidal watching the match between
Sims and Hughes, terrible

shiibata

The 1st round of the PDC had some brutal games as well. Dont see much difference between wade v nicholson game last night and some of these 1st rounders today.

Drag00n79

callaway92 wrote: »

..Winmau dartboards are useless..

Nothing wrong with a Blade III board.

slicus ricus

Shamrok wrote: »

Nothing wrong with a Blade III board.

It's not as good as the Unicorn Eclipse Pro! End of!

callaway92 wrote:

My god..Players are useless..Score announcers are useless..Commentators are useless..Crowd are useless..Winmau dartboards are useless..Prize money is useless..

I agree with all of the above, except the "Players are useless part"! It's true that there's several average players in the 1st round but the same must be said for the 1st round of the PDC Worlds, there was a few players in that who looked like pub players! I will agree that the standard in the PDC is that bit higher though.

You'll find that after the 2nd Round in the Lakeside, it will be just good players, the cream always rises to the top as they say. Just take last year's final for example, twas a quality game altogether.

syngindub

Watched a small bit earlier on. The Wizard was playing. Hopefully the stanard improves a bit

Drag00n79

slicus ricus wrote: »

It's not as good as the Unicorn Eclipse Pro! End of!

Never said it was but it's also not 'useless' which was originally said.

unknown13

The BDO is horrible , the entrances , the players are terrible and its a pick'em as to who will get places to the semi finals , the annoucer is terrible and annoying , Bobby George is a bit of a pain and it is full of sc*mb*gs aswell , I could name a load sbags in the BDO and a few in the PDC. Finally Barney hit about 35 180's up to the final of the PDC and we will be luckey if we see 50 in the whole BDO tournament.

ArmaniJeanss

unknown13 wrote: »

The BDO is horrible , the entrances , the players are terrible and its a pick'em as to who will get places to the semi finals , the annoucer is terrible and annoying , Bobby George is a bit of a pain and it is full of sc*mb*gs aswell , I could name a load sbags in the BDO and a few in the PDC. Finally Barney hit about 35 180's up to the final of the PDC and we will be luckey if we see 50 in the whole BDO tournament.

Barney, regular finallist in BDO, but regularly beaten as well - much the same as his record in the PDC.

Mervyn King - regular semifinalist in the BDO, semifinalist in the PDC.

Mardle - much the same sort record in both associations.

I'd reckon that (if you leave out the exceptional talent that Phil Taylor is) that there is not a huge lot between the numbers 2-10 in both associations.

I wouldn't want to definitively call games between say Martin Adams and James Wade, or Webster and Lewis, or Anderson and Mardle. All too close to call.

Your comment about seeing less than 50 180s in the whole of the BDO competition - well obviously you are a troll but if you are not would you be willing to have a 1 to 1 bet on that, loads of reliable people here will happily escrow it.

ratinakeg

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Barney, regular finallist in BDO, but regularly beaten as well - much the same as his record in the PDC.

Mervyn King - regular semifinalist in the BDO, semifinalist in the PDC.

Mardle - much the same sort record in both associations.

I'd reckon that (if you leave out the exceptional talent that Phil Taylor is) that there is not a huge lot between the numbers 2-10 in both associations.

I wouldn't want to definitively call games between say Martin Adams and James Wade, or Webster and Lewis, or Anderson and Mardle. All too close to call.

Your comment about seeing less than 50 180s in the whole of the BDO competition - well obviously you are a troll but if you are not would you be willing to have a 1 to 1 bet on that, loads of reliable people here will happily escrow it.

Did you not see the grand slam of darts?
Both PDC players in the final and muppets like Adams were afraid to play.
PDC much better

ArmaniJeanss

ratinakeg wrote: »

Did you not see the grand slam of darts?
Both PDC players in the final and muppets like Adams were afraid to play.
PDC much better

You are entitled to your opionion that the PDC is much better.
But why tell lies though, Adams was contracted to play in another event at the time of GSOD, not 'afraid to play'.

Adams has played in PDC events in 2001 and reached a few semifinals and finals, and I'm fairly sure he had a victory over Taylor during that period.
Not exactly a 'muppet'.

unknown13

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Barney, regular finallist in BDO, but regularly beaten as well - much the same as his record in the PDC.

Mervyn King - regular semifinalist in the BDO, semifinalist in the PDC.

Mardle - much the same sort record in both associations.

I'd reckon that (if you leave out the exceptional talent that Phil Taylor is) that there is not a huge lot between the numbers 2-10 in both associations.

I wouldn't want to definitively call games between say Martin Adams and James Wade, or Webster and Lewis, or Anderson and Mardle. All too close to call.

Your comment about seeing less than 50 180s in the whole of the BDO competition - well obviously you are a troll but if you are not would you be willing to have a 1 to 1 bet on that, loads of reliable people here will happily escrow it.

Barney got fed up and left the BDO

King got to a few World finals in the BDO and will be lucky to get to the same amount in the PDC

Mardle is a good player if he shows up but he is a good fast player.

Now your comment about PDC 2-11 versus BDO 1-10.

Barney -V- Anderson - Barney easily
Wade -V- Webster - Wade but will be closer than Barney / Anderson
Part -V- Adams - Part
Jenkins -V- Waites - Jenkins
Lewis -V- Fitton - Fitton
Hamilton -V- Robson - Hamilton
Mardle -V- Hankey - Mardle
Tabern -V- Max -Tabern
Lloyd -V- O' Shea - Lloyd
Priestley -V- Montgomery - Priestley

I can see only 1 BDO player winning and maybe Hankey and O' Shea would sneak one but thats it PDC would destroy the BDO any day

ratinakeg

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

You are entitled to your opionion that the PDC is much better.
But why tell lies though, Adams was contracted to play in another event at the time of GSOD, not 'afraid to play'.

Adams has played in PDC events in 2001 and reached a few semifinals and finals, and I'm fairly sure he had a victory over Taylor during that period.
Not exactly a 'muppet'.

Adams was a good player, now just average and I'm pretty sure he was afraid


Last Updated: Monday, 20 August 2007, 14:09 GMT 15:09 UK
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Adams rejects Grand Slam invite

Adams finally won his first world crown in January

BDO world darts champion Martin Adams will not be competing in the new Grand Slam event organised by the rival PDC.
The tournament, from 17-25 November in Wolverhampton, was initially billed as bringing together the best players from across the sport's bitter divide.
But it clashes with the Winmau World Masters in Bridlington (17-18 Nov), and Adams is committed to the BDO event.
He said: "Loyalty is not a dirty word in my vocabulary, and I will not be playing in the Grand Slam of Darts."
The reigning Lakeside title holder and long-time England captain, 51, claimed he has had several phone calls from PDC boss Barry Hearn, asking him to reconsider.
"He accuses me of having misguided loyalties to the British Darts Organisation and says he feels 'sorry' for me because I don't want to play in his event," Adams said.
"I've been a BDO player for 25 years and they have made me the player I am today.
"The truth is, without me involved, the Grand Slam does not deliver what the fans and viewers have been led to expect." The Grand Slam is being televised by ITV, while the World Masters will feature on the BBC. This year's Masters has seen its total prize fund double to £60,000, with the winner banking £25,000.

I'm not a liar

unknown13

ratinakeg wrote: »

Adams was a good player, now just average and I'm pretty sure he was afraid


Last Updated: Monday, 20 August 2007, 14:09 GMT 15:09 UK
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Adams rejects Grand Slam invite

Adams finally won his first world crown in January

BDO world darts champion Martin Adams will not be competing in the new Grand Slam event organised by the rival PDC.
The tournament, from 17-25 November in Wolverhampton, was initially billed as bringing together the best players from across the sport's bitter divide.
But it clashes with the Winmau World Masters in Bridlington (17-18 Nov), and Adams is committed to the BDO event.
He said: "Loyalty is not a dirty word in my vocabulary, and I will not be playing in the Grand Slam of Darts."
The reigning Lakeside title holder and long-time England captain, 51, claimed he has had several phone calls from PDC boss Barry Hearn, asking him to reconsider.
"He accuses me of having misguided loyalties to the British Darts Organisation and says he feels 'sorry' for me because I don't want to play in his event," Adams said.
"I've been a BDO player for 25 years and they have made me the player I am today.
"The truth is, without me involved, the Grand Slam does not deliver what the fans and viewers have been led to expect." The Grand Slam is being televised by ITV, while the World Masters will feature on the BBC. This year's Masters has seen its total prize fund double to £60,000, with the winner banking £25,000.

I'm not a liar

Didn't Barney make 20K off the 9 darter and 25K for the 2nd biggest BDO event of the year , no wonder its terrible the winner of the PL gets 100K

ArmaniJeanss

So as I said he had a prior darting commitment, in a BDO televised event.
It hardly proves that he was 'afraid' to play in the GSOD.
If there had have been no other darts event that week and he still hadn't turned up, then there might be a grain of truth in your comment.

To be honest the PDC/BDO is a cyclical argument that I've been having with people since about 1996.

The PDC people say they are much better than BDO and that XYZ (the best players from BDO) would have no chance if they came across.
So they come across, and they actually become quite successful (obviously there's an attrition rate).

At which stage the PDC people say that whats left in the BDO is rubbish, and that new XYZ would have no chance. But again when they come across they again are competitive.

But then the PDC people say thats what left in the BDO etc etc etc etc. Cyclical argument.

Believe it or not PDC people said that Barney wouldn't be top8, that Mardle wouldn't survive, that Hamilton wouldn't win a match etc.
Bloody hell but back in 1996 people told me that John Part was sticking to the BDO because he wouldn't be able to win a game in the PDC.

As for unknown13s, I'd take Adams or Monty above their opponents.

Ratinkeg, I don't think we are going to change each others minds so I'll leave it there.

ArmaniJeanss

unknown13 wrote: »

Finally Barney hit about 35 180's up to the final of the PDC and we will be luckey if we see 50 in the whole BDO tournament.

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

would you be willing to have a 1 to 1 bet on that, loads of reliable people here will happily escrow it.

Do you want to do this or not?

unknown13

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Do you want to do this or not?

Lets settle this at the Thunderdome

ArmaniJeanss

unknown13 wrote: »

Lets settle this at the Thunderdome

No need surely, its a friendly enough disagreement to be honest, debated politely.
Love your poll by the way - is it related to this argument coz just to be clear I'm 100% not arguing that the BDO is better, the PDC is miles ahead on almost everything (prizemoney, presentation, marketing, commentary, prettier wives, brand awareness). My argument is just that there is less difference between the players than is widely perceived. Anyway I'm off to vote for the PDC in your poll, it could be a Mugabesque landslide.
Good night
any chance of getting back to me about the 50+- 180s bet

ratinakeg

Maybe a new thread should be made, maybe called " BDO vs PDC" and maybe with a poll of which organisation is the best, so we can just talk about the Lakeside darts on this thread.

Anyway until that is done here is a fact

An average over 100 in a match at the Circus Tavern in the PDC World Championship was achieved 33 times, compared to only 19 times in the BDO World

And another

The standard is better in the PDC. Adams won the BDO with a 93 3 darts average where as Barney won the PDC with a 104 average!

unknown13

ratinakeg wrote: »

Maybe a new thread should be made, maybe called " BDO vs PDC" and maybe with a poll of which organisation is the best, so we can just talk about the Lakeside darts on this thread.

Anyway until that is done here is a fact

An average over 100 in a match at the Circus Tavern in the PDC World Championship was achieved 33 times, compared to only 19 times in the BDO World

And another

The standard is better in the PDC. Adams won the BDO with a 93 3 darts average where as Barney won the PDC with a 104 average!

Already did it

dionsiseire

ratinakeg wrote: »

Maybe a new thread should be made, maybe called " BDO vs PDC" and maybe with a poll of which organisation is the best, so we can just talk about the Lakeside darts on this thread.

Anyway until that is done here is a fact

An average over 100 in a match at the Circus Tavern in the PDC World Championship was achieved 33 times, compared to only 19 times in the BDO World

And another

The standard is better in the PDC. Adams won the BDO with a 93 3 darts average where as Barney won the PDC with a 104 average!

Add to that this years averages from some great players and i think 90% of the matches beat adams winning average of 93, i dont remember too many matches being below that standard

Also the good BDO players play well against PDC players and average high, but once they go back to BDO tournaments the average is back on the floor again.

Gary anderson was average nearly 100 in the grand slam, back to BDO the week after and was averaging 75 with less pressure and no camera's, where's the difference you ask

The Opponents

Apart from a few standout players, the BDO standard is WELL below the PDC's and whilst there are capable players, when they face muck, their game is dragged down

On the Adams thing

Adams also had a brief run in the rival Professional Darts Corporation between 1999 and 2001. He played in the revived News of the World Darts Championship in 1997, reaching the semi finals, losing to Phil Taylor who won the event. Adams then claimed the Scania Open in 1999, beating Taylor in the final. He played in the 2000 PDC World Matchplay but lost in the first round. He returned to Blackpool a year later in 2001 and reached the semi finals. He beat Mick Manning, Alan Warriner and Dennis Smith before losing the eventual winner Phil Taylor. He then reached the quarter finals of the 2001 World Grand Prix, beating Peter Manley and Alex Roy before losing to John Lowe. Afterwards he never played in a PDC tournament again.

Adams sparked controversy in 2007 when he refused to compete in the 2007 Grand Slam of Darts, an event organised by the rival Professional Darts Corporation (PDC). Despite fellow BDO players Mark Webster, Phill Nixon, Scott Waites, Gary Anderson, Shaun Greatbatch and Niels De Ruiter taking part Adams turned down his invitation to the event claiming he wanted to stay loyal to the BDO. Critics argued Adams wouldn't have shown any disloyalty to the BDO if he had taken part, unless the BDO were to punish the other BDO players for taking part.

Adams has also declined his invitation to take part in the 2008 Grand Slam of Darts due to a conflict of scheduling, it is widely regarded that the BDO pushed a tournament schedule to conflict and avoid similar controversy as last year.

Degag

I think the likes of Fitton, O'Shea, Hankey, Webster and Anderson could join the PDC and threaten the top 16 or 8 very easily... look at Mervyn King and Co Stompe this year. Haved Fitton backed myself this year. I doubt however if O'Shea or Hankey will ever switch.

shiibata

Lads, think yez are going away off topic here, think its just meant to be about the BDO, its only been on 1 day, give it a chance. Good to see Anderson through though

ratinakeg

Fair play to Greatbatch for turning up for his match having being diagnosed with bone marrow cancer. He got a standing ovation and a guard of honour. Fair play to him and I wish good health and hope he has a speedy recovery

shiibata

Only darts i seen today was the last 2 sets of Robson and Bunting, for what i seen it looked a decent enough match, robbo had a 98+ average, bunting in the 90s too

monkey9

shiibata wrote: »

Only darts i seen today was the last 2 sets of Robson and Bunting, for what i seen it looked a decent enough match, robbo had a 98+ average, bunting in the 90s too

I take it Robson won??

shiibata

monkey9 wrote: »

I take it Robson won??

Ye, 3-1

Rebel021

Hankey was very good today and a very honest assessment of himself in the post match interview admitting that drink was a defining factor in his poor form at last years event.
I am backing Simon Whitlock for this years title.

jwshooter

ya might be not far wrong with whitlock,he is a cool un rushed player i enjoy watch n him .did not see his draw

monkey9

Delighted to see Brian Woods getting beat. There's no point giving all the talk if you can't back it up. Ridiculous!

Double Top

could be the last time you see whitlock at lakeside, plenty of rumors that he is moving to the PDC. hope he wins if not him o'shea the silver back played well in his opening match against larsson but needs to work on his doubles, Webster and adams will be in the hunt as well as alan norris

ratinakeg

Did anybody see the entrance's of Woods and Hankey:eek:
Disgraceful, ugly, shambolic and really annoying!!!
Hankey played ok, average about 93, Woods in the late 80's, I expected more from Woods.

nhughes100

unknown13 wrote: »

Now your comment about PDC 2-11 versus BDO 1-10.

Barney -V- Anderson - Barney easily
Wade -V- Webster - Wade but will be closer than Barney / Anderson
Part -V- Adams - Part
Jenkins -V- Waites - Jenkins
Lewis -V- Fitton - Fitton
Hamilton -V- Robson - Hamilton
Mardle -V- Hankey - Mardle
Tabern -V- Max -Tabern
Lloyd -V- O' Shea - Lloyd
Priestley -V- Montgomery - Priestley

I can see only 1 BDO player winning and maybe Hankey and O' Shea would sneak one but thats it PDC would destroy the BDO any day

Have to dispute some of them,

Barney -V- Anderson - Anderson could take Barney but I'd edge Barney, not easily though. Verdict Barney by a couple of legs(PDC 1 - 0 BDO)

Wade -V- Webster - On the form of the past week Webster could easily beat Wade, Anderson beat Wade not so long ago quite handily. Verdict Webster 1-1

Part -V- Adams - Adams threw a 107 average to win the Masters a few weeks ago, Part gets beaten in the worlds by an American amatuer, not so clear cut. Verdict Adams 1-2

Jenkins -V- Waites - Jenkins - Agreed - 2-2

Lewis -V- Fitton - Fitton - Lewis, Fitton is over rated. 3-2

Hamilton -V- Robson - Hamilton - Hamilton not as reliable as he once looked though. Verdict Hamilton. 4-2

Mardle -V- Hankey - Mardle - Anyone of the top 10 BDO could beat Mardle. Verdict Hankey - 4-3

Tabern -V- Max -Tabern - Agreed 5-3

Lloyd -V- O' Shea - Lloyd - I wouldn't bet on Lloyd to win a one horse race, O'Shea isn't great but Lloyd is a bottler. 5-4

Priestley -V- Montgomery - Priestley. Again More 50/50 then you think. Edge Priestly since he always manages to win when I back against him. PDC 6-4 BDO

Add in Simon Whitlock and I could quite easily see a 5-5

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dionsiseire

Well for TV its about theatre, so they try to spice things up by adding a walk on, music, joviality, crowd singing the song, players shaking hands with the punter, to be honest, it would be a bit dead pan if they just arrived on the stage to "and he's your players, Brian Woods and Ted Hankey" the crowd wouldnt be as involved

Look at the PDC, the mardle walk on gets the crowd up, props are now sold to the crowd to help liven up the walk ons with replica shirts and palm tree's

not only is it extra revenue for the PDC its stuff the crowd want to do, how many people would watch the darts and think "god i wish i was there" if there wasnt as much craic involved with it, i brought 2 mates to citywest just gone and they were not into darts, but they came out the other end of the night saying "Night of the year, cheers for making us come along, skeptical at first, will Deffo go next year"

Dubliner28

Lads can you answer this please.

1)Whats the difference between the World Championship on Sky and BBC.
Is there 2 darts bodies and if so how/why do players change between them.

2)How does the ranking points work if there are the 2 different bodies?


I remember Barney/Mardle/Part were all on the BBC when I was growing up(didnt have SKy) but no there all on the other one.

Just wondering out of interest.

shiibata

Just after watching Atkins beat Ten Verde 3-2, that Dutch lad must be the fastest player about, cameraman was going around in circles lost at times:D cameraman sure liked his woman, cant blame him there, pity hes out

Looking forward to watching Gurney later, beat me in a tourney last year, never thought would see him at this stage but then thought same of Porter who played in 1st round last year(or was it year before)

Thats what i like about BDO, gives us all a chance to make a world championship, we all can dream on:D

ratinakeg

Dubliner28 wrote: »

Lads can you answer this please.

1)Whats the difference between the World Championship on Sky and BBC.
Is there 2 darts bodies and if so how/why do players change between them.

2)How does the ranking points work if there are the 2 different bodies?


I remember Barney/Mardle/Part were all on the BBC when I was growing up(didnt have SKy) but no there all on the other one.

Just wondering out of interest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_in_darts
That might help

ratinakeg

Good match between Adams and Chisnall, 2-2 in sets and 3-3 in legs. Good match so far

shiibata

ratinakeg wrote: »

Good match between Adams and Chisnall, 2-2 in sets and 3-3 in legs. Good match so far

Ye. was good match, Adams lucky enough to scrape through. If Chisnall had broken Adams throw in the 2nd last leg, I would say he would have gone on to win.

2 good matches so far tonight