Louis Theroux's 'Law and Disorder in Philadelphia'

Dave!

Hey folks,

This was on last night, but I didn't get to see it all (it was on after 12am, I had to sleep!), but the 20 mins or so that I saw were pretty awesome. Basically he's just following around some cops in Phily, visiting various crime scenes (incl homicides), and talking to crime figures.

Gives a good insight into the situation there.

Anywho, I see that it is already on YouTube! So here it is (part one, you should be able to find the rest):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBapD8O1Ulc

Definitely worth a look (as are most of Louis's docs IMO)

vasch_ro

yeah I saw it it was very very good, next sunday is jo burg looks good too, very strong feelings against the Police in the show, it was a real them and us well worth a watch

eroo

Heartbreaking stuff regarding the addicts, especially the girl who spends $250+ on heroin a day and who says she can't go home due to the fact her '''sugar daddy''' would beat her up!

Dave!

Damn forgot about the Johannesberg one It's just ending now!

It'll probs be on YouTube within the hour

omb0wyn5ehpij9

Dave! wrote: »

Damn forgot about the Johannesberg one It's just ending now!

It'll probs be on YouTube within the hour

I just watched it, very good show, well worth the watch!

deadwood

I sky plussed (new verb there) both episodes and watched them last night.

Those guys in Philadelphia don't mess about, and who'd blame them.

Imagine if we even spoke to our clients like they do!

Those private security firms in Jo'burg were thugs.

eroo

deadwood wrote: »

I sky plussed (new verb there) both episodes and watched them last night.

Meant to do that but forgot!:(

deadwood

eroo wrote: »

Meant to do that but forgot!:(

It's repeated on thurs night on BBC2, i think.

eroo

deadwood wrote: »

It's repeated on thurs night on BBC2, i think.

Cheers mate! I don't fancy watching it on youtube again!:)

Dave!

I've been refreshing YouTube all day, waiting for it to appear! No joy

JonAnderton

The Jo'Berg episode is well worth watching. He doesn't shadow the Police, but their 'community cops'... watch it...

zAbbo

JonAnderton wrote: »

The Jo'Berg episode is well worth watching. He doesn't shadow the Police, but their 'community cops'... watch it...

Yeah, was really good. Not doing Jo'berg any favours...

sparkzter

JonAnderton wrote: »

The Jo'Berg episode is well worth watching. He doesn't shadow the Police, but their 'community cops'... watch it...

Watched them both. Very good. Philly was organized crime Burg was unorganized chaos! Serious lack of respect for humanity and Differant level of lawlessness in S.A. compared to Philly. What about ya man Maleven and his buddy :eek: them boys would do any level of inhumane act to get money. They both knew right from wrong but had no remorse nor regret for their hijacking antics or anything they have or would do. It ran in the family by the sound of it. Plus they had no hearts after witnessing the deaths of Malevens' parents. God help them

Eru

What a load of ****, been to SA numerous occasions including joburg and it aint as bad as this show makes out. I have also socialised with the police and 'private' armed security companies and this show is so one sides and probable edited.

The presenter is also being painfully moral and clueless just to try and spark a comment or response from people that he and the viewers can condemn.

JonAnderton

The presenter is also being painfully moral and clueless.

He was the same in Philly.... embarrassingly so...

metman

I turned off the Jo'berg episode. I found it tiresome listening to thugs profess to be unofficial 'police'....:rolleyes:

Dave!

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

What a load of ****, been to SA numerous occasions including joburg and it aint as bad as this show makes out. I have also socialised with the police and 'private' armed security companies and this show is so one sides and probable edited.

The presenter is also being painfully moral and clueless just to try and spark a comment or response from people that he and the viewers can condemn.

Other posters seem to support the notion that JHB is a sh*t hole

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=58191267#post58191267

Haven't been myself though

gilly0512

Dave! wrote: »

Other posters seem to support the notion that JHB is a sh*t hole

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=58191267#post58191267

Haven't been myself though

Of course there is a tendency in these shows to always show the worst, but I don't think there is much getting away from the fact that up to a few years ago Johannesburg was ranked as one of the most dangerous cities in the world, and while things have improved recently (particularly in preparation for the 2010 World Cup), Johannesburg it is still a very very dangerous city. To see the absolute filth and degradation that people were living in some of these abandoned or hijacked buildings in the city was horrendous, and as for the townships like Soweto and Diepsloot (which was shown in this programme) well they are just the pits. It is horrendous to think that people live in such squalor in a so called modern country, and sadly such squalor brings with it the inevitable violence. Therefore I would have to disagree with some of the other postings who think that Johannesburg is not a violent often lawless city.

Eru

Dave! wrote: »

Other posters seem to support the notion that JHB is a sh*t hole

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=58191267#post58191267

Haven't been myself though

And how are these personal opinions anymore validated than mine?

I never said it was Disney world but you can walk the streets and not be guaranteed free comsmetic surgery. Joburg is no longer even number 1 for violence in SA nevermind the world and remember, many many people will post that Dublin and / or Limerick are crime riddled **** holes too.

Dave!

I didn't say they were more valid than yours chief. I would value them equally with yours. But there seems to be more people saying JHB is a sh*thole (based on reports and first hand experience) than saying otherwise, so therefore that's the picture I will be more inclined to believe until I have the pleasure of going myself.

Make sense?

gilly0512

Dave! wrote: »

I didn't say they were more valid than yours chief. I would value them equally with yours. But there seems to be more people saying JHB is a sh*thole (based on reports and first hand experience) than saying otherwise, so therefore that's the picture I will be more inclined to believe until I have the pleasure of going myself.

Make sense?

While its safe to say that most of us have never been in Johannesburg, I would still rather walk through Limerick or Dublin anyday, than Johannesburg. Bad and all as parts of Dublin & Limerick are, thankfully we haven't reached the stage where 'private security firms' do the job of the Police, where people are burnt alive as part of community justice, and marauding gangs roam the streets and buildings. Do a google search of 'the world's most dangerous cities', and Limerick or Dublin don't even come into it, but Johannesburg certainly does.

Eru

Dave! wrote: »

I didn't say they were more valid than yours chief. I would value them equally with yours. But there seems to be more people saying JHB is a sh*thole (based on reports and first hand experience) than saying otherwise, so therefore that's the picture I will be more inclined to believe until I have the pleasure of going myself.

Make sense?

Dave,
Like I said. Disney world it aint but whats depicted on TV is not accurate. They are heavily editing the worst aspects of a city and depicting it as common and everyday. You know as well as I do that you can make any city look very very bad or very very good depending on what you choose to show. The same is for other comments, how many posters actually saw someone being burnt alive with their own eyes? I dont doubt it happens but to suggest its happening on every street corner. Thats not fair

SA is a dangerous place and yes, there is more violence and murder than Ireland but not to the level this tries to make out. Remember, these security firms shown were legally carrying firearms and were registered firms.

Gilly,
Are you quoting someone or is this your own opinion and it appears to be based purely on the TV show. Have you ever actually been there?

gilly0512

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Gilly,
Are you quoting someone or is this your own opinion and it appears to be based purely on the TV show. Have you ever actually been there?

In fairness I have never been to Johannesburg, although if anybody wants to offer me tickets for the next Lions trip to SA next year, I would be more than delighted to take them, and at the same time try and avoid been burnt alive in Johannesburg The documentary did mention that in some of these shanty towns such as Soweto or Diepsloot that it was not uncommon for residents to perform their own summary justice of stoning and then burning people to death for commiting criminal acts, how true that is I don't know, but I would hazard a guess that there is a large degree of truth to this. As regards any other opinions that I have expressed on Johannesburg, they would have been picked up from talking to people or researching on the internet.

Eru

gilly2308 wrote: »

In fairness I have never been to Johannesburg, although if anybody wants to offer me tickets for the next Lions trip to SA next year, I would be more than delighted to take them, and at the same time try and avoid been burnt alive in Johannesburg The documentary did mention that in some of these shanty towns such as Soweto or Diepsloot that it was not uncommon for residents to perform their own summary justice of stoning and then burning people to death for commiting criminal acts, how true that is I don't know, but I would hazard a guess that there is a large degree of truth to this. As regards any other opinions that I have expressed on Johannesburg, they would have been picked up from talking to people or researching on the internet.

Personally I spent much time in some of their finer casinos but thats just me.