TRY???

Lomu · 05-12-2008 1:47pm #1

Is it still possible to score a try by touching the ball off the padding on the goal posts.
I know touching it off the end of the post is awarded a try as i have played in matches were the ref has given it, but my question is can it be touched off any part of the padding??
Thanks

Crash · 05-12-2008 1:55pm

Anywhere on the padding. Ignore that, incorrect. Interesting other one I came across was that you can ground a ball in the try area with a foot or both in touch, and it'll be considered a try. Never realised that.

Podge_irl · 05-12-2008 1:56pm

I thought the ball had to be touching the padding and the ground?

Crash · 05-12-2008 2:03pm

its phrased as follows:

Grounded against a goal post. The goal posts and padding
surrounding them are part of the goal line, which is part of in-goal.
If an attacking player is first to ground the ball against a goal post
or padding, a try is scored.

So actually, seeing the definition of grounding the ball further up, I think you're right. Slightly ambiguous though.

Zzippy · 05-12-2008 4:08pm

Going Forward wrote: »

Anywhere on the padding. Ignore that, incorrect. Interesting other one I came across was that you can ground a ball in the try area with a foot or both in touch, and it'll be considered a try. Never realised that.

Do you mean having a foot in touch when past the try line, as if you had a foot in touch before the try line it would be a lineout?
e.g. catching a cross kick in the ingoal area but having your foot/feet in touch and still grounding the ball for a try?

Crash · 05-12-2008 4:42pm

As in, say for instance a ball rolls into the in-goal area - a player could come at the ball, be in touch, and ground the ball, and it is considered a try. I'll try and find the piece in the laws.

Player in touch or touch-in-goal. If an attacking player is in
touch or in touch-in-goal, the player can score a try by grounding
the ball in the opponents’ in-goal provided the player is not
carrying the ball.

So seemingly it wouldn't be a line out - provided the player wasn't actually carrying the ball.

The picture they have as an example is

Goodluck2me · 05-12-2008 8:16pm

Going Forward wrote: »

As in, say for instance a ball rolls into the in-goal area - a player could come at the ball, be in touch, and ground the ball, and it is considered a try. I'll try and find the piece in the laws.

So seemingly it wouldn't be a line out - provided the player wasn't actually carrying the ball.

The picture they have as an example is

That pitch no longer exists either, the all-weather one has replaced it. Miss R2.

Crash · 06-12-2008 4:32am

It looks awfully familiar - UCD? at a guess like, fill me in

88show · 06-12-2008 9:46am

Lomu wrote: »

Is it still possible to score a try by touching the ball off the padding on the goal posts.
I know touching it off the end of the post is awarded a try as i have played in matches were the ref has given it, but my question is can it be touched off any part of the padding??
Thanks

yes. but with it on the ground too
eg T Kefu last minute try against the blacks in the tri nations in 2001 I think

Mushy · 06-12-2008 12:06pm

Going Forward wrote: »

It looks awfully familiar - UCD? at a guess like, fill me in

Yeah, it is UCD alright. Just recognise the building in the background.

westham100 · 08-12-2008 7:10pm

As far as i know the ball has to be grounded against the post for it to be a try? you cant tip it off the post while standing up..

And the foot in touch thing seems very questionable, even if it is a law i highly doubt any refs except world class ones would award the try should it happen

Crash · 08-12-2008 7:12pm

Yeah its an interesting one alright. I'm sure it probably arose from some specific issue years ago, but I'd love to see someone score like that and the uproar that would occur

westham100 · 08-12-2008 7:18pm

well if somebody carried the ball over the line and then got pushed into touch and grounded the ball it wouldnt count, so i dont see why somebody who didnt carry the ball over the line could ground it while in touch? doesnt make sence to me..

Crash · 08-12-2008 7:32pm

because the rules say so. Simple answer

Sangre · 08-12-2008 8:31pm

It wouldn't be unimaginable.

Imagine a ball is kicked through, two players are chasing it way ahead of everyone else. One defending and one attacking. Both dive for the ball but miss grounding it and overshoot it. The attacking player slides into touch. He turns around immediately and grounds the ball without getting his complete body out of touch, otherwise the defender would have grounded it by then. Try.

Crash · 08-12-2008 8:41pm

or, one player steps around another to try and outpace him - his line takes him deeper into touch than he thought it would, running to the touch side of the corner flag. he drops to ground the ball - TRY!

westham100 · 08-12-2008 8:43pm

but if a player is in touch while grounding the ball - no try.

The player holding the ball to score a try and the ball itself must not be in touch or touch-in-goal (including on or over the dead ball line). The touchline, touch-in-goal lines and dead ball lines count as being 'out'. There has to be contact with the ground or corner flag by a player or the ball for it to be ruled in touch or touch-in-goal. Parts of the body in the air above the lines and outside the field of play or in-goal are not touch, and it is common to see players who are partly in the air over the lines still ground the ball successfully

seems simple enough to comprehend - you cant be in touch.

Podge_irl · 09-12-2008 4:55am

westham100 wrote: »

but if a player is in touch while grounding the ball - no try.

The player holding the ball to score a try and the ball itself must not be in touch or touch-in-goal (including on or over the dead ball line). The touchline, touch-in-goal lines and dead ball lines count as being 'out'. There has to be contact with the ground or corner flag by a player or the ball for it to be ruled in touch or touch-in-goal. Parts of the body in the air above the lines and outside the field of play or in-goal are not touch, and it is common to see players who are partly in the air over the lines still ground the ball successfully

seems simple enough to comprehend - you cant be in touch.

The laws make a pretty clear distinction between someone carrying the ball into touch and someone grounding the ball while in touch. You can do the latter assuming you were not in control of the ball but subsequently either scored a try or touched the ball down for a scrum 5/22. The key being you are not the one who carried the ball into touch.

Goodluck2me · 09-12-2008 11:41am

Going Forward wrote: »

It looks awfully familiar - UCD? at a guess like, fill me in

Mushy wrote: »

Yeah, it is UCD alright. Just recognise the building in the background.

Yeah Its UCD but that pitch isnt there any more as the new Astro pitches have replaced it now. The "Superbowl" now takes its place.

westham100 · 09-12-2008 8:23pm

Right i guess i can accept it because its in the laws...but i highly doubt that anything below world class level a ref would allow this? As far as i know, if i would be to ground the ball with part of my body in touch, it wouldnt be given! regardless of whether i brought the ball over the try line or not.

ThomasH · 09-12-2008 8:43pm

westham100 wrote: »

Right i guess i can accept it because its in the laws...but i highly doubt that anything below world class level a ref would allow this? As far as i know, if i would be to ground the ball with part of my body in touch, it wouldnt be given! regardless of whether i brought the ball over the try line or not.

Mark Cueto wasn't too happy about it

Podge_irl · 10-12-2008 1:50am

ThomasH wrote: »

Mark Cueto wasn't too happy about it

Again the difference here is that Cueto brought the ball into touch by being in control of it while having a foot in touch. This is a very different scenario from the ball being in the in-goal area already and you touching it down while in touch.

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