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Are we all born with blue eyes?

  • 04-12-2008 11:54am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭pimpy_c


    This has been an ongoing argument between myself and my girlfriend so I have to find out. Are we all born with blue eyes? She says yes, I say no.

    Now I've googled this but a lot of sources aren't very reliable. Some say most people are while others say we all are. Somebody please tell me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Smart Bug


    No.

    /thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    I cane believe Im answering this seriously but no. Brown eyes are actually the dominant gene. So if one parent has blue eyes and the other has brown then the child will have brown eyes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,185 ✭✭✭asdasd


    Most of y'all Caucasians are born with blue eyes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,311 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    Most babies are born with blue eyes and then some change to brown within the first six weeks. But some babies are born with brown eyes so there is no definitive answer

    EDIT: I might be racist but I was only talking about white babies


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,813 ✭✭✭themadchef


    Ongoing argument?? Find something better to argue about........


    Ask her has she put on weight, thats a good start.


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  • I've always heard this. Is it an old wives tale? I'm pretty tanned with dark hair and eyes and I was born with really dark blue eyes.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,193 ✭✭✭Turd Ferguson


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    Brown eyes are actually the dominant gene.

    I'll dominate your brown eye


    /gets coat


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    I cane believe Im answering this seriously but no. Brown eyes are actually the dominant gene. So if one parent has blue eyes and the other has brown then the child will have brown eyes.

    Question 1. Then why do some people have different colour eyes to their siblings?

    Queston 2. Why do arabs all have brown eyes? Is it cause of the dominance of brown eyes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Afaik this is only true for kittens.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    (OK ShooterSF even if you are mistaken the important thing is not to admit it but dig your heels in and use any argument to back it up.)

    kraggy wrote: »
    Question 1. Then why do some people have different colour eyes to their siblings?

    Queston 2. Why do arabs all have brown eyes? Is it cause of the dominance of brown eyes?

    Lets answer number two first as its the easier one. Eh, Yes.

    Now for question one. Women hide affairs well. QED.


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Born with Blue eyes = No.

    But apparently from when the eyes are first made inside the lovely warm lady bits, they start off as blue, but they change during growth of the feutus.
    I have not looked inside nearly enough pregnant women to confirm or deny this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    Ok I am training as a midwife so this is the closest I can give to an accurate answer 90% of children are born with blue eyes, which within the first 6 weeks change to the colour that is most likely going to be the colour they remain for the rest of their lives. the other colour the eyes are when the baby is born is brown unless the baby has albinism in which case the are scarlett red in rare cases.

    Yes some people notice that this occurs also with puppies and kittens, I suppose it must be a mammalian trait


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭oztots


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    Brown eyes are actually the dominant gene.

    Not up here in ireland it isnt, that is for the world. And i believe there not many asians with blue eyes. Or africans, indians, arabs, pygmies or monkeys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,195 ✭✭✭Corruptedmorals


    kraggy wrote: »
    Question 1. Then why do some people have different colour eyes to their siblings?

    Queston 2. Why do arabs all have brown eyes? Is it cause of the dominance of brown eyes?


    Because the child needs to have the blue-eye gene from both parents in order to have blue eyes. Let's say both parents are Bb, which means they have brown eyes but carry the blue-eye gene. I think you have to construct a grid thing for this this but it always goes- Child 1- BB (brown eyes), Child 2 Bb (brown eyes), Child 3 bB (brown eyes), Child 4 bb (blue eyes). Of course, doesn't always work out in that order.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Kdub


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    Ok I am training as a midwife so this is the closest I can give to an accurate answer 90% of children are born with blue eyes, which within the first 6 weeks change to the colour that is most likely going to be the colour they remain for the rest of their lives. the other colour the eyes are when the baby is born is brown unless the baby has albinism in which case the are scarlett red in rare cases.

    Yes some people notice that this occurs also with puppies and kittens, I suppose it must be a mammalian trait

    Not being racist but you'll probably dealing with Irish babies, i'd say most babies are born with brown eyes in the world scheme of things


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Eyes ..we have eyes ??? Hey ..I can seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    Kdub wrote: »
    Not being racist but you'll probably dealing with Irish babies, i'd say most babies are born with brown eyes in the world scheme of things

    Now hopefully this isnt taken badly but you would not believe the amount of foreign nationality babies born in the Dublin hospital I am doing my training in, and with a large number of Asian and African women giving birth there I can tell you,

    Asian women mostly have blue eyed babies and yes the African women have the most brown eyed, but with all humans there is always the exception too:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭johnnyrotten


    Smart Bug wrote: »
    No.

    Yes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭Hrududu


    I cane believe Im answering this seriously but no. Brown eyes are actually the dominant gene. So if one parent has blue eyes and the other has brown then the child will have brown eyes.
    Nope. A person with blue eyes will have a bb combo. A person with brown eyes can be either Bb or BB. If they are Bb then there is an equal chance of them passing the blue eyed gene onto their kids.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 184 ✭✭vodkadub


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    I cane believe Im answering this seriously but no. Brown eyes are actually the dominant gene. So if one parent has blue eyes and the other has brown then the child will have brown eyes.

    not true in my case my fathers eyes were brown and my mothers blue


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 323 ✭✭High&Low


    kraggy wrote: »
    Question 1. Then why do some people have different colour eyes to their siblings?

    Queston 2. Why do arabs all have brown eyes? Is it cause of the dominance of brown eyes?
    ShooterSF wrote: »
    (OK ShooterSF even if you are mistaken the important thing is not to admit it but dig your heels in and use any argument to back it up.)




    Lets answer number two first as its the easier one. Eh, Yes.

    Now for question one. Women hide affairs well. QED.
    Because the child needs to have the blue-eye gene from both parents in order to have blue eyes. Let's say both parents are Bb, which means they have brown eyes but carry the blue-eye gene. I think you have to construct a grid thing for this this but it always goes- Child 1- BB (brown eyes), Child 2 Bb (brown eyes), Child 3 bB (brown eyes), Child 4 bb (blue eyes). Of course, doesn't always work out in that order.


    I have green eyes (they were blue when I was born).

    My wife has brown eyes (no idea what they were when she was born as I didn't know her then)

    Our first child has brown eyes, they were very dark brown when she was born.

    Our second child has blue eyes. Very blue eyes!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭alexjk


    I'm one of eight children in my family.Mother has green eyes, father has blue eyes.I'm the only one to have inherited the green eyes, all the others have mad blue eyes.I had blue eyes when I was born though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Kdub


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    Now hopefully this isnt taken badly but you would not believe the amount of foreign nationality babies born in the Dublin hospital I am doing my training in, and with a large number of Asian and African women giving birth there I can tell you,

    Asian women mostly have blue eyed babies and yes the African women have the most brown eyed, but with all humans there is always the exception too:)

    well cant argue with that..!! first hand experience!!:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Kdub


    High&Low wrote: »
    I have green eyes (they were blue when I was born).

    My wife has brown eyes (no idea what they were when she was born as I didn't know her then)

    Our first child has brown eyes, they were very dark brown when she was born.

    Our second child has blue eyes. Very blue eyes!!!!

    What colour eyes does the milkman have??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭chops1990


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    I cane believe Im answering this seriously but no. Brown eyes are actually the dominant gene. So if one parent has blue eyes and the other has brown then the child will have brown eyes.


    Thats wrong actually coz my dad has blue eyes my mother has brown, and i have blue eyes


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 649 ✭✭✭Peewee_lane


    I was born with blue eyes and they changed to green...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Kdub


    chops1990 wrote: »
    Thats wrong actually coz my dad has blue eyes my mother has brown, and i have blue eyes

    Its not wrong chops...your da would probably have 2 blue genes ..yo ma 1 brown 1 blue therefore giving her brown eyes ... as its dominant...so you get 3 blues 1 brown therefore giving you blue eyes ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 323 ✭✭High&Low


    Kdub wrote: »
    What colour eyes does the milkman have??

    same colour eyes as the postman...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Smart Bug


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Smart Bug
    No.


    Yes


    Maybe?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Doc


    Kdub wrote: »
    Its not wrong chops...your da would probably have 2 blue genes ..yo ma 1 brown 1 blue therefore giving her brown eyes ... as its dominant...so you get 3 blues 1 brown therefore giving you blue eyes ...

    Both my parents have brown eyes but I have blue.

    No one dominants me bitches!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Kdub


    High&Low wrote: »
    same colour eyes as the postman...

    Damn you Pat and your black and white Cat!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭MizzLolly


    I still have blue eyes!! \o/
    :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Kdub


    Doc wrote: »
    Both my parents have brown eyes but I have blue.

    No one dominants me bitches!

    You were adopted sorry they meant to tell you


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭thelordofcheese


    Smart Bug wrote: »
    Smart Bug wrote:
    Yes.
    No.
    Maybe?

    I don't know.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭junior_apollo


    High&Low wrote: »
    I have green eyes (they were blue when I was born).

    My wife has brown eyes (no idea what they were when she was born as I didn't know her then)

    Our first child has brown eyes, they were very dark brown when she was born.

    Our second child has blue eyes. Very blue eyes!!!!

    Shes obviosuly not telling you the whole story!... Sort it out...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Doc


    Kdub wrote: »
    You were adopted sorry they meant to tell you

    so is your face!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    Because the child needs to have the blue-eye gene from both parents in order to have blue eyes. Let's say both parents are Bb, which means they have brown eyes but carry the blue-eye gene. I think you have to construct a grid thing for this this but it always goes- Child 1- BB (brown eyes), Child 2 Bb (brown eyes), Child 3 bB (brown eyes), Child 4 bb (blue eyes). Of course, doesn't always work out in that order.

    Wow, that's exactly the situation with me and my siblings, me being the only one with blue eyes (youngest).

    But my dad had green eyes and my mum as brown. But both could carry blue gene?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭metaoblivia


    My Dad has green eyes and my mom has brown eyes. Both my brother and I were born with dark brown eyes. But my brother's second ex-wife has blue eyes, and their son was born with blue eyes. He was DNA tested too, so we know he's my brother's son. I'm guessing my nephew got a recessive green eyes gene from my brother and a blue eyes gene from his mother.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Smart Bug


    kraggy wrote: »
    Wow, that's exactly the situation with me and my siblings, me being the only one with blue eyes (youngest).

    But my dad had green eyes and my mum as brown. But both could carry blue gene?


    Nope. Yore Ma played away. I hear she does it a lot. :D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    kraggy wrote: »
    Question 1. Then why do some people have different colour eyes to their siblings?

    Queston 2. Why do arabs all have brown eyes? Is it cause of the dominance of brown eyes?
    ShooterSF wrote: »
    (OK ShooterSF even if you are mistaken the important thing is not to admit it but dig your heels in and use any argument to back it up.)




    Lets answer number two first as its the easier one. Eh, Yes.

    Now for question one. Women hide affairs well. QED.
    High&Low wrote: »
    I have green eyes (they were blue when I was born).

    My wife has brown eyes (no idea what they were when she was born as I didn't know her then)

    Our first child has brown eyes, they were very dark brown when she was born.

    Our second child has blue eyes. Very blue eyes!!!!

    Hmm At first I thought this was an obvious one. Your first child was right and the second was the result of my answer to question one posted above, however I then realised that still doesnt make sense.

    So this is how it usually happens, Im not saying it did, don't get angry with me. The woman, nefariously promiscuous, has a lesbian affair with a woman (with blue eyes) on the rags who's egg slips into "our" woman.
    Our woman then goes and has an affair (damn women) with a blue eyed fella whose blue eyed sperm infilitrate the borrowed egg and hurrah. Perfectly scientifically blue eyed babe.

    Sorry to be the one to break it you.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Lizzykins


    I was half tempted to check that my third child wasn't swapped in the hospitlal as he has brown eyes! Child one has pale blue eyes,child two dark blue and child four has green eyes! I have greeny grey eyes and hubby has grey too. I asked the GP and he said it was quite possible that we would have a brown eyed child. On checking with relatives someone way back had brown eyes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Kdub


    Doc wrote: »
    so is your face!

    ??:confused: dammit i knew my boyish good looks werent natural!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Nothingcompares


    ok i haven't checked this on google and no one seems to have already stated it.

    the truth is, as far as i know, babies are not born with the pigment that produces eye colour. Yes of course, eye colour is genetically controlled but the pigment takes some weeks (6 weeks?) to be produce. The eyes look blue because that's just the way the light reflects the colourless eyes. As the baby develops their eye colour pigmentation will become more and more lucid and you see the greens/blues/browns.

    actually i just googled it
    An infant's eye color is determined by a substance called melanin. Melanin is a dark pigment contained in the iris, the structure that controls how much light is allowed into the eye. The color of the iris is determined by the amount of melanin in the iris. Light eyes have very little pigment, whereas darker eyes have a lot. In newborns, the pigmentation process of the iris is not yet complete. Babies with darker skin are usually born with dark eyes that stay relatively dark. Iris color in lighter-skinned babies is usually a blue or bluish-gray color at birth, then change as they grow. Melanin production changes during the first year of life, usually resulting in a darker, deeper eye color.

    Permanent eye color is not set until a baby is at least nine months old, so wait until your child's first birthday to determine what color they will be.

    An infant's eye color is influenced by the eye color of their parents. Eye color is often studied in the field of genetics because of its inheritance patterns, but is still not fully understood.

    Source: Alfred Rosenbloom, Jr. and Meredith W. Morgan, Principles and Practice of Pediatric Optometry. J.B. Lippincott Company, 0-397-50917-0, 1990.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭metaoblivia


    kraggy wrote: »
    Wow, that's exactly the situation with me and my siblings, me being the only one with blue eyes (youngest).

    But my dad had green eyes and my mum as brown. But both could carry blue gene?

    My understanding from a biology course I took when I was 14, was that brown eyes are the most dominant, followed by blue eyes, with green being the least dominant. So your Dad most likely had the green gene, but your mom had the blue gene and that won.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    (Right time to implement the religious tactic in the face of evidence)

    *Covers ears and closes eyes*
    La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la
    La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la
    La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la
    La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Nothingcompares


    My understanding from a biology course I took when I was 14, was that brown eyes are the most dominant, followed by blue eyes, with green being the least dominant. So your Dad most likely had the green gene, but your mom had the blue gene and that won.

    your explanation doesn't make sense.

    In order of dominance Brown (br) Blue (bl) Green (gr).

    Her mother has to be grgr. If she was Blgr she'd have blue eyes. Blue is dominant to green. Her dad could be Brgr (have brown eyes and carry green gene). But any mixture between the parents

    Brbl (brown) Brgr (brown) grBl (blue) would not yeild green eyes.

    my explanation is:
    1. eye colour is actually more complex then we've assumed
    2. both have blue eyes or both have green eyes but ones "shade" fo blue looks green


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭metaoblivia


    your explanation doesn't make sense.

    In order of dominance Brown (br) Blue (bl) Green (gr).

    Her mother has to be grgr. If she was Blgr she'd have blue eyes. Blue is dominant to green. Her dad could be Brgr (have brown eyes and carry green gene). But any mixture between the parents

    Brbl (brown) Brgr (brown) grBl (blue) would not yeild green eyes.

    my explanation is:
    1. eye colour is actually more complex then we've assumed
    2. both have blue eyes or both have green eyes but ones "shade" fo blue looks green

    She said her mother had brown eyes and her father had green eyes. So her father is grgr, and her mother may be Brbl. In which case, her mother would pass on the brown gene to the older siblings, but she ended up with the dormant blue which would override the father's grgr.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 13,425 ✭✭✭✭Ginny


    Father has blue eyes, mother has green eyes, I have grey/green eyes, sister has blue, brother has blue...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Smart Bug


    My father has green antennae, my mother has blue, but I have brown antennae.

    Explain please.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,185 ✭✭✭asdasd


    My father has green antennae, my mother has blue, but I have brown antennae.

    Explain please.

    People have done this already.

    He is possibly Bgr, she is Bb, and the childers can be

    BB ( brown), grB(brown), Bb( brown), bb ( blue)


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