The loudest disembodied voice ever recorded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnW1RtFQ2hg

This is from the latest episode of ghosthunters. It is a voice that come's from nowere. To be honest after hearing this i have now started to doubt this show.
The guys themselves have spoken publicly about Most Haunted and cheating but with this i am begining to wonder has fame / pressure got to them.

What annoyed me most is the fact that they havent got any sound experts to review this footage and put it on the show . I dont know , maybe they have .

What does everybody else think ?

kshiel

Maybe they are examining it closer after the show was aired. Not an expert by any means but they seem geniunely surprised to hear it. Maybe it has something to do with the cameras or the crew that was with them.

They are surprised to hear it, but like other shows did they figure out what it was but it didnt make the final cut ? Thats what most haunted do .

Never saw this but there is a witch hunt for them at the moment after the halloween show . People believe they were faking .......................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlM-Uy8ODYQ&feature=related

iamhunted

theres been quite a bit of debate over that whole thing, especially the collar tugging - but as yet I havent actually seen anything that proves anything was faked. A lot of naysaying and made up assumptions (hand in pocket pulling some sring type device, even though yer mans hand wasnt actually in his pocket the third time it happened - fishwire attached to jacket, though people were walking around grant and his jacket etc etc) - but very limited, in fact non-existant information that would make me say 'those faking bastards!'

There was some foo fah alright, but no-one could pinpoint any definitive proof of faking. not like most haunted where you have a lot of the faking been planned/caught on camera.

iamhunted

oh aye, people also seem to assume that since its a tv show where they count in the cameras etc, then that proves its faked. It only proves its a TV show with a director.

iamhunted

iamhunted wrote: »

There was some foo fah alright, but no-one could pinpoint any definitive proof of faking. not like most haunted where you have a lot of the faking been planned/caught on camera.

If you watch a magician's show your not going to be able to prove he is fake either.

If this is true its going to make me very dissapointed . But the more i look at it the more i am believing it was faked. Not only that but they looked much too uncomfortable. Especially Jason. Reading the body language he didnt want to be on the screen . Grant was the person reacting to all the "phenomona"

Grant who is also right handed . Had his right hand hidden the whole time of the collar incedent .
If you also notice Grant says that his collar got tugged a number of times and Jason completly ignored him. Somthing going on there.

iamhunted

theres every chance in the world they were faking, but its like most thing - we can all assume as much as we like, but unless we were there its really too hard to call as again, theres nothing definitive to say it was faked. We can make assumptions - but to what end?

I really have no intention of trying to defend them - as ive no idea if it was faked or not though I'd like to see some compelling evidence of faking - but theres a few things to take note of:

1. As Hawes says himself, he was almost co-producing the live show and having to take direction from the director and keep an ear on what was going on off camera so he did come across as not really taking note of everything that was going on.

7 People thinking I was unhappy
I had so much going on that I may have seemed a bit distant. I was far from unhappy being there. I love what I do.
I had to perform my own investigation and also through an ear piece listen to all the other investigators when they were live and hear my producer and Josh Gates in case he had to come to us for technical issues and so forth.

2, Magicians take years to learn their trade - I dont think grant wilson ever trained as one. Plus a magician is normally in a stage setting - outside of the likes of blaine - where thigns are way more controlled than running around a cellar in the dark.

3. Double check the last time (i think) the collar was tugged. if his right hand as in his pocket then, it was barely in his pocket. We can obviously assume he has a mad string type device sewn into his jacket, but wheres teh slightest bit of evidence to say that? Because he had his hand in his pocket? surely it would be simplier to have the string/fishwire/whatever on his elbow or somewhere where he could make less conspicuous movements?

Now the likes of chris flemming and the K2 is a different story as you can make them flicker by changing the pressure on the thumb on the button, but I still havent seen any kind of proof outside of *OMGZ!!! TAPS ARE F@KER5 type reactions.

iamhunted

dont know if youve already read it, but heres jason hawes thought on it:

My statements on things caught on live show!
Current mood: blah

OK, so here it is.
I have been hearing from people claiming there are youtube videos and so forth claiming we faked it.
Well what ever, to each their own but this is my statements and thoughts!

1 The voice:
Now that voice was so loud I heard it come through my earpiece.
I have never heard a voice that loud on a case.
At the time we heard it I asked if it had come from inside the building or outside.
I asked that directly on live TV!!
If we were faking it then would I have asked?
At the reveal I even asked Lee if a boat could have said it over a megaphone.
The reason I was asking this was because there were Coast Guard and other private boats on the water trying to keep boats from coming ashore.
Common thing someone would say if certain people happen to be in a place they should not be in would be, " Your not supposed to be here!"

Production never used my question to Lee, but it was asked.

Lee stated he did not believe so.
So, before some of you out there accuse me of faking something at least know the facts and listen to what I said on the live show, and now you know I was and still am looking for an explanation for it.

Also, I have been doing this for almost 20 years, why would I destroy that now!
If we ever faked anything and got caught SCIFI would cancel the show instantly, why chance that, especially on a LIVE SHOW?
Scifi and GH are not that important to me to destroy myself in a field that I love to be in, and Scifi would never pressure us into anything like that, nor would we ever anyhow. So those who blame Scifi, do not. They have always been 100% honest and true.



2 Grant's jacket tug!
People come up with the weirdest claims about this, I have heard all these.
1 There was a fishing line running down his jacket
2 There was a remote control that I was using to pull down his jacket
3 Grant was fidgeting with his right hand and was pulling a string
4 Grant's hand was in his pocket working some mechanism.
5 Grant's jacket tugged one last time after I checked it and patted him on the back.

Here is my responses:
1 Fishing line running down his jacket?
I checked his jacket, I even opened it up to try in show everyone at home.
There were two wires Grant had on him, one was his audio cable so everyone could hear him. That ran down his t-shirt in the front of his cloths.
He also had an IFB cable that fed up to his ear. This cable allows Grant to hear our Executive Producer in case there is an issue. This cable ran inside his sweater and up to his left ear I believe. This cable did run down his back, but inside of his cloths, it would have effected his sweater and everything else.
Also the jacket pulled in at outward motion, not a downward motion.
Also a heat signature came off the jacket when it was pulled. I have seen the footage zoomed in and it is strange.

2 A remote control?
Huh? Are you serious?

3 Grant fidgeting.
We were on an Island that was 10 to 15* colder then on the main land.
People put their hands in their pockets or near their side when their hands are cold.
If someone wants to assume he did it for a certain reason then no amount of explanation is going to change their thoughts.

4 Grant working some mechanism.
Same answer as 3

5 Grant's jacket tugged another time after I patted him on back.
No argument there, I saw it happen in the video when looking at the evidence.
I have no explanation, could have been the same thing he was experiencing happening again, or maybe something catching.
Either way he did not fake anything.
I can honestly say I have known Grant for a LONG time, spent 16 hours a day with him in the plumbing field and the paranormal field.
He has never and would never fake any evidence.
Like I said, there will be those out there who will believe what they want to believe, so be it.
All I can do it state my thoughts and feelings.
What the people who claim Grant faked stuff decide to believe is up to them.

Tell me this then. If your coat gets tugged 4 times with the camera man filming every tug perfectly and you were going to debunk the situation. Would you not take off the coat and check the inside ?

It was just forgotton about and moved on.

iamhunted

what does that matter? if i knew i wasnt rigged up why would i take off my coat?

This is just more assuming rather than any indication at all of fakery. Tabloid newspaper type assuming.

At the same time they say that they are paranormal investigators . I saw a lack of investigating there .

iamhunted

i cant see the point of 'live' events outside the chhaa-chhing factor

iamhunted

iamhunted wrote: »

i cant see the point of 'live' events outside the chhaa-chhing factor

Maybe thats all they are hearing right now .

iamhunted

and thats another assumption. find something real to get pissed off about - theyve had a live event every year

iamhunted

at least this year they learned something and dropped the overbearing background music from last year

6th

iamhunted wrote: »

i cant see the point of 'live' events outside the chhaa-chhing factor

From an investigation point of view no but for the viewers it means a lot, almost being part of it with the option to text and email in real time.

kranog

I'm very skeptical of this to be honest...

I believe there is something with EVP but not this...I don't believe as humans we have the auditory capacity to "hear" a spirit's voice....seeing as an entity does not possess a physical body or voicebox with which to generate a voice that people can actually hear!
I believe that EVP captures a possible energy or static that a spirit can possess, it's not physical but it's possible that the magnetic pieces of low-fi tapes can be altered by the energy of a spirit and possible leave behind a noise, possibly a voice that couldn't be heard by anyone at the time of recording!

Just a theory!

kshiel

I am sure some of the more tec guys could give a better and more detialed expanlation to how evp works. But imo working with spirit is all about creating the conditions for them to come in or communicate in other words useing energy. I have heard evp before with people who I know wouldn't be faking it and it always sounds like the voice is distorted or coming through water or something and I have often wondered would this be the use of the energy created???