No luck getting a part-time job

givyjoe81

Il keep it short, basically i cant get a part-time (to supplement one final bash at college)job for love nor money, but what has just about tipped me over the edge of sanity is my latest unsuccessful application. Basically i applied to a rather large cinema chain based near liffey valley by online application.

Despite ticking all their boxes and being told i was an excellent match for their job description (they actually tell you this on the site depending on which boxes you tick for experience) they got back to me today to say that my skills and experience were not a match.

Not to mention the fact that I have some management experience, i also have one years exp in the most famous cinema in the country! Just what the hell skills and experience are more relevant for an 8.65 job in a bleedin cinema!!

Anyone else having trouble getting jobs which they should be a shoe in for?! Considering some of the absolute moron's they currently have already working there it makes this even more insulting :mad:

AARRRGH

Instead of blaming the employer, examine yourself and your applications to see why other people (including "morons") are getting jobs ahead of you.

Seriously, if people stopped blaming others for their failures they'd be successful a lot quicker.

/No offence

nomorebadtown

I have retail experience and lots of experience dealing directly with customers. I also have an honors degree. I cannot get any kind of job whatsoever. I am applying for everthing and when I do get an interview (rare) I am told that I score excellently in terms of interview. I just cannot get a job. Seriously considering leaving ireland.

AARRRGH

Can you think of any reason why your experience and excellent interview technique might be preventing you from getting a job? It has to be something...

Also, have you always had this problem or just since the recession?

doolox

What have you the honours degree in?
Are they afraid you won't fit in? Leave quickly when a better job offer comes up?

nomorebadtown

AARRRGH wrote: »

Can you think of any reason why your experience and excellent interview technique might be preventing you from getting a job? It has to be something...

Also, have you always had this problem or just since the recession?

doolox wrote: »

What have you the honours degree in?
Are they afraid you won't fit in? Leave quickly when a better job offer comes up?

I doubt that my "experience and excellent interview technique" are whats preventing me getting a job. I have brilliant references too but it has no effect. I can say without boastfulness or conceit that I am extremely employable.

As doolox points out, for some jobs I am over qualified (and in the employers eyes likely to quit for a better job at the drop of a hat....WHAT OTHER JOBS??!!) and for others I am under experienced. I am on horrible middle ground. I am failing to get jobs in shops and offices equally. I apply for every even mildly suitable vacancy and nothing.

And yes, it is since the 'recession'. Always found employment quickly in the past.

AARRRGH

nomorebadtown wrote: »

And yes, it is since the 'recession'. Always found employment quickly in the past.

OK, well you didn't say whether or not you've always had this problem.

Yep, the recession is a killer, especially for retail and (obviously) construction.

I have walked past a few shops/bars in Dublin City Centre who have "staff wanted" signs in the window. Perhaps a lot of these places aren't advertising online or in papers.

Thomas from Presence

Fortune favours the brave. AARRRGH is on the ball here. A couple of printed CVs and a walk around town just now will reveal wonders. There's even a recruitment agency in Suffolk street that seem to have emergency must-be-filled part-time jobs that might be worth a look too. Get in early though as I'm sure that as soon as a sign goes up the applications roll in.

givyjoe81

AARRRGH wrote: »

Instead of blaming the employer, examine yourself and your applications to see why other people (including "morons") are getting jobs ahead of you.

Seriously, if people stopped blaming others for their failures they'd be successful a lot quicker.

/No offence

Yes i think i will blame the employer, particularly as they stated i didnt have the skills to carry out a minimum wage job in a cinema for which i had plenty of experience and more than adequate skills to do.

As for the moron's that already work there, you clearly havent been to this cinema or tried to get some popcorn, i dont think that comment would be out of place in describing people who take about twenty minutes or more to serve 5 people or less.

I dont see how this is a failure, i really am perplexed how i they deemed me not suitable for even an interview. Plenty of people that work there who can only be around 18 with clearly very little experience. I have good ref's one of which from my other cinema job.

My whole point was also that they said 'i didnt have experience'! How can you justify turning someone down when that is simply not true!! And just to be clear, i pointed out in detail that i had experience accross every function in the cinema bar projectionist, which i do!!

Id love to be able to examine why these 'morons' are more suitable and have emailed the hr address that told me i was unsuccessful, but as yet have recieved no reply.

AARRRGH

Blaming others for your failings is what losers do. You obviously did something which has made them not want to hire you. A good start would be the fact that you think their staff are "morons". Perhaps they sensed you're arrogant/think you're too good for them. Certainly your posts are giving me that impression.

Accept personal responsibility for not getting the job - they do not want to hire YOU. That has to say something about YOU.

givyjoe81

AARRRGH wrote: »

Blaming others for your failings is what losers do. You obviously did something which has made them not want to hire you. A good start would be the fact that you think their staff are "morons". Perhaps they sensed you are arrogant/think you're too good for them. Certainly your posts are giving me that impression.

Seriously, if you have nothing consturctive to say, why bother?? This forum isnt for condoscending chaps such as yourself to pass judgement on others.
As for arrogance, what sort of person believes that a minimum wage 8.65 an hour job is anything other than a means to an end. But aside from that, i have my fair share of min wage jobs, and yes i was and still am better than those kind of jobs, or i wouldnt be doing a masters! But i just on with job and enjoyed my time there, no arrogance needed.

Again, clearly you havent had to suffer the incredibly long wait to be served in this cinema, if i didnt make it obvious my comment was not directed at all staff, far from it, just the souls who serve the food, again do you have any direct experience from visiting the cinema in question?? I doubt it.

I really do take offence to consideration that somehow im not good enough to do a min wage part time job, which i can and have done in my sleep previously. Hardly arrogance. And how they can sense arrogance from an online application, which had no space for subjective opinion is just baffling.

Loser am i? You have some neck, are you READING my post or not?! The reason they said i did not get the job was because i didnt have the experience, so how on earth can that be down to something which is a failing of mine?! The mind boggles really.:rolleyes:

AARRRGH

No, the problem is you think everyone else is to blame. My advice is very constructive. I see people all the time who have your attitude and they never get anywhere in life. The problem is always someone else, some other "moron". They just get angry and bitter. It's sad.

If you are unable to see that their unwillingness to hire you may have something to do with you... that's unfortunate. I find it perplexing that you think the problem must be them. I guess, they're "morons" so what should I expect!

It's very clear you think you are too good for them and their minimum wage job. I'd bet money their "lack of experience" comment is their polite way of saying we don't want to hire you.

Seriously, think about it. They don't want to hire you. And as you said in your first post you can't get any sort of part-time job. Is the problem really every employer, or more likely, is it something you're doing?

If other people are able to get a job, and you can't get a job, that has to mean something.

I find it weird I'm having to spell this out for you.

EDIT: I'm not trying to attack you; I just think you're coming across as totally unwilling to accept any responsibility for your constant rejection. I'm trying to help you, but feel free to think I must be wrong as well. (Is everyone wrong except you?!)

lottodrink

Where exactly are you looking for a job? Just go to a supermarket if its just part-time you want! Tesco are always taking ppl on especially with Xmas around the corner...

givyjoe81

AARRRGH wrote: »

No, the problem is you think everyone else is to blame. My advice is very constructive. I see people all the time who have your attitude and they never get anywhere in life. The problem is always someone else, some other "moron". They just get angry and bitter. It's sad.

If you are unable to see that their unwillingness to hire you may have something to do with you... that's unfortunate. I find it perplexing that you think the problem must be them. I guess, they're "morons" so what should I expect!

It's very clear you think you are too good for them and their minimum wage job. I'd bet money their "lack of experience" comment is their polite way of saying we don't want to hire you.

You're a light year away from being constuctive, and your subsequent posts, even less so. I hardly think stop blaming everyone else and other such throw away comments, which are so easy to make from high up on a perch are of any use. You clearly didnt read the post carefully and got the hump over the moron comment, again which is directed at a minority of their staff. Once more if you had the misfortune of being left in one of these queue's for popcorn, you would find it hard to disagree.

I am perfect willingly to accept responsibility for my own actions and failures, something which through hard work, i dont suffer to often.

I would question the legality of basing a refusal to employ someone based on experience or lack of, when this clearly not the case. Perhaps not the best comparison, but imagine someone who speaks fluent french being refused a job as a translator for not being able to speak french? Would they not be entitled to question such a baffling decision?

If they have other reasons for not employing me i would be glad to hear them, something which i have asked for. Perhaps you should show a little understanding to people such as myself who are finding it incredibly difficult to find part time jobs currently, THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.

My CV is excellent, both in format and experience/education etc, not my words, words of past employers etc, I have more than adequate relevant experience so I think im more than justified in being peeved at the reasons provided for my failed application. Just how you think you are provding any help is just baffling, really is.

I apologise to everyone else for writing such an essay, my main point, and reason for aggravation, is can they reject an application based on 'not having experience' when a) i do and b) they dont specify any amount of experience that is actually required.

givyjoe81

lottodrink wrote: »

Where exactly are you looking for a job? Just go to a supermarket if its just part-time you want! Tesco are always taking ppl on especially with Xmas around the corner...

Well, i have been quite picky, basically i was looking for maximum return for the last amount of hours. Have applied for promotional jobs, where the you do a couple of hours for fairly good money, but no luck. I tried my hand at the oul cinema cos i loved my last cinema job, its handy work and fairly close to me.

Supermarkets il be stayin well clear of unfortunately, partic at xmas, worked in one such place a few years back and its a killer this time of year and need to balance the mountain of study too. Wouldn't mind a delivery or job either, but i barely know the road names in my estate as it is.

JonnyC

givyjoe81 wrote: »

Il keep it short, basically i cant get a part-time (to supplement one final bash at college)job for love nor money, but what has just about tipped me over the edge of sanity is my latest unsuccessful application. Basically i applied to a rather large cinema chain based near liffey valley by online application.

Despite ticking all their boxes and being told i was an excellent match for their job description (they actually tell you this on the site depending on which boxes you tick for experience) they got back to me today to say that my skills and experience were not a match.

Not to mention the fact that I have some management experience, i also have one years exp in the most famous cinema in the country! Just what the hell skills and experience are more relevant for an 8.65 job in a bleedin cinema!!

Anyone else having trouble getting jobs which they should be a shoe in for?! Considering some of the absolute moron's they currently have already working there it makes this even more insulting :mad:

Have you tried

1) McDonalds
2) Burger King
3) Four star pizza
4) Local Pubs
5) City Pubs/Clubs
6) Dunnes Stores / Other retail outlets
7) Petrol stations
8) Xtra vision
9) Any sports shop
10) Resturants

All the above have hours to suit a student
When you have tried all above is the time to start complaining.

AARRRGH

givyjoe81 wrote: »

Perhaps you should show a little understanding to people such as myself who are finding it incredibly difficult to find part time jobs currently, THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.

God. If other people can get jobs in the cinema and you can't, that is 100% YOUR fault. You are doing something the other "morons" aren't doing. You are either doing something negative, or they are doing something positive.

Either way, your posts reek of arrogance.

Continue doing what you're doing. I hope it works out for you, although so far it sounds like it is totally unsuccessful. Of course, that's because every employer is wrong. :rolleyes:

ntlbell

givyjoe81 wrote: »

You're a light year away from being constuctive, and your subsequent posts, even less so. I hardly think stop blaming everyone else and other such throw away comments, which are so easy to make from high up on a perch are of any use. You clearly didnt read the post carefully and got the hump over the moron comment, again which is directed at a minority of their staff.

You're clearly to busy taken offence and calling hard working folk morons to notice the excellent advice in his post

givyjoe81 wrote: »

I would question the legality of basing a refusal to employ someone based on experience or lack of, when this clearly not the case. Perhaps not the best comparison, but imagine someone who speaks fluent french being refused a job as a translator for not being able to speak french? Would they not be entitled to question such a baffling decision?

They said you don't match, you have managerial experience and some college behind you there's a very good chance they feel you're over qualified for the job this is not a legal matter it's a suitability matter and trying to "prove" they were discriminating against you will be very hard and with your tight budget probably impossible..

givyjoe81 wrote: »

If they have other reasons for not employing me i would be glad to hear them, something which i have asked for. Perhaps you should show a little understanding to people such as myself who are finding it incredibly difficult to find part time jobs currently, THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.

He is showing you a lot of understanding by taken the time respond your posts and instead of listening and taken it on the jaw you show you're true colors and if I was hiring now looking at your posts you're not someone I would want working anywhere near me. (starting to see a trend yet?)

givyjoe81 wrote: »

My CV is excellent, both in format and experience/education etc, not my words, words of past employers etc, I have more than adequate relevant experience so I think im more than justified in being peeved at the reasons provided for my failed application. Just how you think you are provding any help is just baffling, really is.

If everything is as excellent as you say you need know help and the perfect job should be just around the corner.

givyjoe81 wrote: »

I apologise to everyone else for writing such an essay, my main point, and reason for aggravation, is can they reject an application based on 'not having experience' when a) i do and b) they dont specify any amount of experience that is actually required.

We all get knock backs, just about anyone who's gone looking for work has being given a reason which may or may not have been a lie maybe the interviewer's so far didn't like your tone? maybe you have an air of entitlement about you? maybe there's 101 different reasons but refusing to take on board any critique when there's an obvious problem with _something_ isn't going to help

you can blame, argghhhhh you can blame the employers who have knocked you back heck you can have a go at me if it makes you feel better but it won't get you a job...

but please do post a nice long glee post about how wrong we were when you land your big number..

givyjoe81

AARRRGH wrote: »

God. If other people can get jobs in the cinema and you can't, that is 100% YOUR fault. You are doing something the other "morons" aren't doing. You are either doing something negative, or they are doing something positive.

Either way, your posts reek of arrogance.

Continue doing what you're doing. I hope it works out for you, although so far it sounds like it is totally unsuccessful. Of course, that's because every employer is wrong. :rolleyes:

Seriously mate, get over yourself will you. Five posts later and barely a constuctive word out of your mouth. So what your saying is, that if someone doesnt get a job, it's 100% their fault? Ever heard of discrimination?! Laughable as it sounds, the reason i mention is because i genuinely think that they may have deemed me too old for this position, for reasons which i have outlined already.

The online application asked questions "do you have cash handling exp?, yes i do, exp in a cinema, yep i do, dealing with people, yep tick again, on and on for about another 7 points, really basic stuff which i have oodles of exp in, around 7/8 years. Get a grip. You just cant get over that moron's thing can you, look if you cant be bothered to read my posts correctly, then dont bother replying. Im not sure if iv already said, but i didnt even get an interview! So how on earth could my supposed 'arrogance' have prevented me from getting the job!

I will spell it out for you again, i didnt even get an interview due to the fact that i dont have experience!! Just what way should i take that!!! If there is some other reason for it i would love to hear from them. I have no problem being declined for a job on the basis of fair and just reasons, but this clearly isnt, and im so pissed off because as i said i loved workin in the cinema and would have suited college perfectly.

givyjoe81

ntlbell wrote: »

You're clearly to busy taken offence and calling hard working folk morons to notice the excellent advice in his post




They said you don't match, you have managerial experience and some college behind you there's a very good chance they feel you're over qualified for the job this is not a legal matter it's a suitability matter and trying to "prove" they were discriminating against you will be very hard and with your tight budget probably impossible..




He is showing you a lot of understanding by taken the time respond your posts and instead of listening and taken it on the jaw you show you're true colors and if I was hiring now looking at your posts you're not someone I would want working anywhere near me. (starting to see a trend yet?)



If everything is as excellent as you say you need know help and the perfect job should be just around the corner.




We all get knock backs, just about anyone who's gone looking for work has being given a reason which may or may not have been a lie maybe the interviewer's so far didn't like your tone? maybe you have an air of entitlement about you? maybe there's 101 different reasons but refusing to take on board any critique when there's an obvious problem with _something_ isn't going to help

you can blame, argghhhhh you can blame the employers who have knocked you back heck you can have a go at me if it makes you feel better but it won't get you a job...

but please do post a nice long glee post about how wrong we were when you land your big number..

Again, i didnt even get an interview!! Not really concerned about chaps who are more than happy to pass judgement on people because of one silly comment, and as for the moron's, they are not hard working folk, far far from it, if they were people wouldnt be standing in a queue for so long!

As for over qualified, absolute BS, it's a part time job, im in college so can you honestly say that an employer would rather someone, with less qualifications and more importantly experience, considering the qualifications are irrelevant for this job!!

I havent applied for many part-time jobs because i cant! I have to be picky to try and balance the study aspect. Aaargh has shown no understanding of anything! All he did was pick up on one comment and say ah it must be your attitude!! Attitude doesnt come into it, as i said i didnt even get called for interview due to my 'lack of experience'!

ntlbell

givyjoe81 wrote: »

So what your saying is, that if someone doesnt get a job, it's 100% their fault? Ever heard of discrimination?! Laughable as it sounds, the reason i mention is because i genuinely think that they may have deemed me too old for this position, for reasons which i have outlined already.

No, he's saying if you're constantly not getting jobs which you said you have applied for numerous and got nothing that _something_ is wrong if other people are getting those same jobs, either the others are doing something very well or your doing something very bad, it's one or the other or you would have one of them jobs those "morons" can easily get. see the difference?

givyjoe81 wrote: »

The online application asked questions "do you have cash handling exp?, yes i do, exp in a cinema, yep i do, dealing with people, yep tick again, on and on for about another 7 points, really basic stuff which i have oodles of exp in, around 7/8 years. Get a grip. You just cant get over that moron's thing can you, look if you cant be bothered to read my posts correctly, then dont bother replying. Im not sure if iv already said, but i didnt even get an interview! So how on earth could my supposed 'arrogance' have prevented me from getting the job!

Do you think there's a reason for the "online application" to be fairly basic?
Part of it might be it's not a job that requires someone with oodles of exp and someone with oodles of exp will probably get very bored very quickly and may not suit the current environment or any number of other reasons. You seem to be one unable to read posts or you're only reading what you want to read and missing the real message.

givyjoe81 wrote: »

I will spell it out for you again, i didnt even get an interview due to the fact that i dont have experience!! Just what way should i take that!!! If there is some other reason for it i would love to hear from them. I have no problem being declined for a job on the basis of fair and just reasons, but this clearly isnt, and im so pissed off because as i said i loved workin in the cinema and would have suited college perfectly.

Sometimes company's give generic reasons and don't give the real reason.

beause often "you're so far up your own backside it's unfunny" doesn't go down well with people and they might get sued. we don't know why they refused you yes it would be nice to know why but instead of moaning and dribbling about it, take steps to see what you can do in the future to make sure you're looked at in a better light

givyjoe81

JonnyC wrote: »

Have you tried

1) McDonalds
2) Burger King
3) Four star pizza
4) Local Pubs
5) City Pubs/Clubs
6) Dunnes Stores / Other retail outlets
7) Petrol stations
8) Xtra vision
9) Any sports shop
10) Resturants

All the above have hours to suit a student
When you have tried all above is the time to start complaining.

No exp in pub/club, i really dont fancy working for 1 or 2! or 3, have worked for 6 and 8, six dont offer student friendly hours at christmas so not an option and as for 8 im going into but very good reasons for not going back to there! reasons which dont reflect badly on me i might add! And no exp in 7 9 or 10

So i took my cloth which was suitable to the cinema and cut it there, hence im so disappointed with a false reason for not even getting to interview stage.

AARRRGH

Maybe it is discrimination, but without specifying that you're Nigerian/Roma/Disabled/Traveller/etc. I can only assume you are not one of these people and the normal rules of job hunting are at play here.

I work somewhat in recruitment, used to be a HR person for a large company, and in general have an interest in helping people get work. I am also very good at finding work for myself (I would go as far as saying I am excellent at cover letters, CVs and interviews.) It's fair to say I sort of know what I'm talking about.

My advice to you is to examine every aspect of your job application process (get lots of input from your friends and family) and tone down your arrogant/aggressive tone.

ntlbell

givyjoe81 wrote: »

Again, i didnt even get an interview!! Not really concerned about chaps who are more than happy to pass judgement on people because of one silly comment, and as for the moron's, they are not hard working folk, far far from it, if they were people wouldnt be standing in a queue for so long!

Off again calling people morons, great, this will be a worth while conversation.

givyjoe81 wrote: »

As for over qualified, absolute BS, it's a part time job, im in college so can you honestly say that an employer would rather someone, with less qualifications and more importantly experience, considering the qualifications are irrelevant for this job!!

No I think employers randomly don't give people jobs for no reason just to annoy them..:rolleyes:

givyjoe81 wrote: »

I havent applied for many part-time jobs because i cant! I have to be picky to try and balance the study aspect. Aaargh has shown no understanding of anything! All he did was pick up on one comment and say ah it must be your attitude!! Attitude doesnt come into it, as i said i didnt even get called for interview due to my 'lack of experience'!

So you're saying you've only applied for one single job and now you're creating a thread on having trouble finding work?

ntlbell

givyjoe81 wrote: »

No exp in pub/club, i really dont fancy working for 1 or 2! or 3, have worked for 6 and 8, six dont offer student friendly hours at christmas so not an option and as for 8 im going into but very good reasons for not going back to there! reasons which dont reflect badly on me i might add! And no exp in 7 9 or 10

So i took my cloth which was suitable to the cinema and cut it there, hence im so disappointed with a false reason for not even getting to interview stage.

most pub/club jobs you don't require any experience they want people who will work hard and have a good attitude towards work.

why didn't you start this post like this

I'm fussy.
Arragont.
Ignorant.
I won't work in x y z job

and i can't get one can you help it would of made it a lot easier

AARRRGH

Hahah

R.D. aka MR.D

I've been applying for every job i could find for 3 months and 2 weeks ago I took out a lot of my educational details from my CV and i got a great part-time job last week!

I'm doing a postgrad and just changed the title slightly to make it sound less career focused and took out a lot about my undergrad degree.

JonnyC

givyjoe81 wrote: »

No exp in pub/club, i really dont fancy working for 1 or 2! or 3, have worked for 6 and 8, six dont offer student friendly hours at christmas so not an option and as for 8 im going into but very good reasons for not going back to there! reasons which dont reflect badly on me i might add! And no exp in 7 9 or 10

So i took my cloth which was suitable to the cinema and cut it there, hence im so disappointed with a false reason for not even getting to interview stage.

Look bud you are not that stuck for a job yet

givyjoe81

ntlbell wrote: »

No, he's saying if you're constantly not getting jobs which you said you have applied for numerous and got nothing that _something_ is wrong if other people are getting those same jobs, either the others are doing something very well or your doing something very bad, it's one or the other or you would have one of them jobs those "morons" can easily get. see the difference?



Do you think there's a reason for the "online application" to be fairly basic?
Part of it might be it's not a job that requires someone with oodles of exp and someone with oodles of exp will probably get very bored very quickly and may not suit the current environment or any number of other reasons. You seem to be one unable to read posts or you're only reading what you want to read and missing the real message.



Sometimes company's give generic reasons and don't give the real reason.

beause often "you're so far up your own backside it's unfunny" doesn't go down well with people and they might get sued. we don't know why they refused you yes it would be nice to know why but instead of moaning and dribbling about it, take steps to see what you can do in the future to make sure you're looked at in a better light

Who the fook do you think you are mate? Seriously, take some of your own advice and read my post CAREFULLY before you come jumpin on the bandwagon. Your jumping to conclusions with the other chap that im this and that, who on earth takes kindly to being called arrogant, a loser etc?! A popularity contest wouldlnt see yourselves reaching first prize either i bet.

I have applied to other jobs 99% per cent of which are promotional, which i have no problem not getting, becuase i dont have the exp. The problem i had with this one. The only people i called moron's were the minority working in this partic cinema who really are astonishing bad at their job, have you had the misfortune of waiting in a queue for 20 mins upwards?! Again the moron's jibe aimed ONLY AT A MINORITY OF STAFF IN THAT PARTICULAR CINEMA!!! See the difference eh?! Not everyone's a moron in the jobs i have applied for!

Again i DID NOT EVEN GET TO INTERVIEW STAGE!! So there was personality influence here, which actually has helped me get jobs in the past! I accept it would be the case that over qualified would come into if i wasnt in college and just looking for a permanent job, but i clearly stated that i was looking for a job until next september, a longer commitment than most current p/t and prospective staff would give, i.e. most students would prob give up around june to travel or secure other ft work.

Again i would come back to the legality of such a statement, no suitable exp, partic as their own website pointed out that i was a match for the job spec,something unusual which i have never seen before. I agree there can be othe reasons for refusal, but it's highly unusual to offer someone such a specific reason when other more general responses could be given, which wouldnt lead them into trouble.

givyjoe81

JonnyC wrote: »

Look bud you are not that stuck for a job yet

No im not that stuck!! My reason for being so annoyed was that i had whittled it down to jobs that would be ideal for supplementing college and this was one of them. And i do appreciate posts such as yours genuinely tryin to help rather than 'put me in my place'.

givyjoe81

ntlbell wrote: »

most pub/club jobs you don't require any experience they want people who will work hard and have a good attitude towards work.

why didn't you start this post like this

I'm fussy.
Arragont.
Ignorant.
I won't work in x y z job

and i can't get one can you help it would of made it a lot easier

how childish are the pair of you?! Seriously lads, name calling, get a grip. Yep i am fussy, i stated that several times and the reasons why, arrogant, ya must be joking, ignorant, thats just plain ridiculous. And exactly, i wont work it xyz job because college is my number one priority, so if doesnt fit why would i work there?

AARRRGH

I find your posts baffling. Tbh I can see why you are having trouble getting a job.

givyjoe81 wrote: »

Again i would come back to the legality of such a statement, no suitable exp, partic as their own website pointed out that i was a match for the job spec,something unusual which i have never seen before.

I don't really get why you've mentioned this again. I think you are trying to suggest you've been discriminated against because you're "old". Am I right in thinking the "81" in your username is the year of your birth? If so, 27 isn't old whatsoever...

ntlbell

givyjoe81 wrote: »

how childish are the pair of you?! Seriously lads, name calling, get a grip. Yep i am fussy, i stated that several times and the reasons why, arrogant, ya must be joking, ignorant, thats just plain ridiculous. And exactly, i wont work it xyz job because college is my number one priority, so if doesnt fit why would i work there?

You were calling the very people who are getting the same job you can't a moron, and we're childish? really?

So you have insulted the employers, the people who got the job in front of you, the people who have tried to give you advice.

Is there anyone else left to blame before you take some accountability for your unemployment?

givyjoe81

AARRRGH wrote: »

Maybe it is discrimination, but without specifying that you're Nigerian/Roma/Disabled/Traveller/etc. I can only assume you are not one of these people and the normal rules of job hunting are at play here.

I work somewhat in recruitment, used to be a HR person for a large company, and in general have an interest in helping people get work. I am also very good at finding work for myself (I would go as far as saying I am excellent at cover letters, CVs and interviews.) It's fair to say I sort of know what I'm talking about.

My advice to you is to examine every aspect of your job application process (get lots of input from your friends and family) and tone down your arrogant/aggressive tone.

Now thats what i call a helpfull post. I wont enterain this notion of arrogance, simply not the case, while i do have great faith in myself, as any person should, im extremely modest. I dont think expecting an interview was asking for too much, partic as i had plenty of relevant exp. The only other thing i cant think of, genuinely, is that i didnt tick enough days that i was available. But they didnt mention that in rejection email!!The rest was straight forward stuff.

As you worke/d in hr, do you not think its unusual to send a rejection email outlining a specific reason (no exp, which clearly isnt the case) when a more general 'safer' email would have done?

hobochris

have to agree with ntlbell & AARRRGH here. If your the same with potential employers as you are with people offering advice here then I'm getting a good picture of the cause of your employment drought.

The way your going on, I'm wondering if your trolling.

Id suggest, review your cover letter, review your C.V, get out there and hand C.V's into jobs in person and please, review your attitude.

C.

AARRRGH

givyjoe81 wrote: »

i do appreciate posts such as yours genuinely tryin to help rather than 'put me in my place'.

No one is trying to put you in your place. We're trying to help you get a job. I interview people, and I think ntlbell interviews people. We are trying to tell you that a bit of introspection will help you overcome your current issue.

You are coming across as someone who is completely static and wants the world to change for him. You have to be flexible, especially when it comes to getting a valuable part-time job.

givyjoe81

ntlbell wrote: »

You were calling the very people who are getting the same job you can't a moron, and we're childish? really?

So you have insulted the employers, the people who got the job in front of you, the people who have tried to give you advice.

Is there anyone else left to blame before you take some accountability for your unemployment?

How have i insulted the employers?! Or the people who gave me 'advice'?! I recieved no helpfull info from aaaargh at first, then quickly followed by insults! How should someone react to that!!! I made a silly comment calling some, and only some, of their staff moron's in a post minutes after i read the rejection email, silly, and done in the heat of the moment. But seriously, has anyone else been to this cinema recently?! Were you not waiting ages in the queue for food!!!

ntlbell

givyjoe81 wrote: »

As you worke/d in hr, do you not think its unusual to send a rejection email outlining a specific reason (no exp, which clearly isnt the case) when a more general 'safer' email would have done?

If you get any sort of rejection letter in Ireland in an ironic way you're very lucky as most companies just tend to have no communication which you at all.

Companies that do generally give rejection letters these are normally standardised depending on the position, yes sometimes they're unhelpful as they won't explain exactly why, but as has being all ready explained to you is because of legal reasons companies do not want to get sued.

Other times if you ring a company and tell them you would like some genuine feedback off the record to help you in your search you might get some helpful people who will provide some will not.

If you really want try calling the cinema and try and arrange a phone call with the hiring manager, offer to take them for a coffee for a chat whatever it takes do something positive about it instead of trowing the toys out of the pram.

givyjoe81

AARRRGH wrote: »

No one is trying to put you in your place. We're trying to help you get a job. I interview people, and I think ntlbell interviews people. We are trying to tell you that a bit of introspection will help you overcome your current issue.

You are coming across as someone who is completely static and wants the world to change for him. You have to be flexible, especially when it comes to getting a valuable part-time job.

i think we could both agree that sometimes the well meant thoughts can get lost in the text, i made a silly comment a few minutes after i got the email. I shouldnt have said it. I dont want the world to change for me, or anything like it. The reason i got so annoyed here, is because i was not given the opportunity to present my case for employement at interview stage, the BS reason they gave me made it all the more frustrating, seriously im not arrogant or anything like it, despite how i may come accross here.

Really the process didnt really allow too much for me to make a balls of it, simple questions, pop in your cv and that was it. no, why do want to work here, tell us about yourself etc.

ntlbell

givyjoe81 wrote: »

How have i insulted the employers?! Or the people who gave me 'advice'?! I recieved no helpfull info from aaaargh at first, then quickly followed by insults! How should someone react to that!!! I made a silly comment calling some, and only some, of their staff moron's in a post minutes after i read the rejection email, silly, and done in the heat of the moment. But seriously, has anyone else been to this cinema recently?! Were you not waiting ages in the queue for food!!!

Well apparently they're too stupid to know a good thing when they see it?

I told you all ready arrgghh's advice was sound you chose to take offense.

I have been in many queue's recently, lots of them i was waiting for long periods and mostly I was served by very competent staff.

Here's some news when films are starting the cinema gets busy.

givyjoe81

ntlbell wrote: »

If you get any sort of rejection letter in Ireland in an ironic way you're very lucky as most companies just tend to have no communication which you at all.

Companies that do generally give rejection letters these are normally standardised depending on the position, yes sometimes they're unhelpful as they won't explain exactly why, but as has being all ready explained to you is because of legal reasons companies do not want to get sued.

Other times if you ring a company and tell them you would like some genuine feedback off the record to help you in your search you might get some helpful people who will provide some will not.

If you really want try calling the cinema and try and arrange a phone call with the hiring manager, offer to take them for a coffee for a chat whatever it takes do something positive about it instead of trowing the toys out of the pram.

Thats the problem i have with this rejection email though! It was specific! Very specific that i didnt have the skills or experience, which left me absolutely baffled as clearly my cv shows this isnt the case, plus their own website told me that i was a match! I have requested some feedback, but only by email. I wonder after all this was the email just some random crap they send out to everyone and it's just a coincidence that i do have exp in the cinema trade.

givyjoe81

ntlbell wrote: »

Well apparently they're too stupid to know a good thing when they see it?

I told you all ready arrgghh's advice was sound you chose to take offense.

I have been in many queue's recently, lots of them i was waiting for long periods and mostly I was served by very competent staff.

Here's some news when films are starting the cinema gets busy.

I asked have you been in this partic cinema? Again my complaints about staff are specific to THIS cinema, and these PARTICULAR staff serving food, not queues in general.

Well here's the thing, i normally go to late shows, when it's far from busy, as do my mates who also commented on how god awfull slow they were!

ntlbell

givyjoe81 wrote: »

Thats the problem i have with this rejection email though! It was specific! Very specific that i didnt have the skills or experience, which left me absolutely baffled as clearly my cv shows this isnt the case, plus their own website told me that i was a match! I have requested some feedback, but only by email. I wonder after all this was the email just some random crap they send out to everyone and it's just a coincidence that i do have exp in the cinema trade.

It's more than likely a canned email that goes to everyone for that particular position. The point you seem to be missing here is, no one is saying the cinema is in the right here, no one is saying they way you were treated was right, we're saying your attitude to it is wrong. you started a thread saying you found it hard but your attitude didn't come across like someone who genuinely wanted help getting work they just wanted 20 posters to tell you what arseholes the cinema was.

If that's what you want to hear then fine, but if it's genuine help looking for work you're going the wrong way about it, and if you go the wrong way about it here we have to assume you go the wrong way about it in the "real world" which has led to this thread going down hill and looking like we're trying to insult you which is not the case

ntlbell

givyjoe81 wrote: »

I asked have you been in this partic cinema? Again my complaints about staff are specific to THIS cinema, and these PARTICULAR staff serving food, not queues in general.

Well here's the thing, i normally go to late shows, when it's far from busy, as do my mates who also commented on how god awfull slow they were!

What has any of this got to do you with getting a job?

really, it's like you're not reading the posts.

AARRRGH

givyjoe81 wrote: »

I wonder after all this was the email just some random crap they send out to everyone and it's just a coincidence that i do have exp in the cinema trade.

HR people can be very lazy. I suspect this is because they get used to doing nothing all day.

Either you got a general copy and paste e-mail they send everyone, or they didn't want to tell you the real reason for the rejection. I suspect it's a bit of both.

If I were you I would print off a copy of my CV, put on my nicest suit, and go into the cinema and speak to the hiring manager. I wouldn't bother mentioning you already applied online.

givyjoe81

ntlbell wrote: »

It's more than likely a canned email that goes to everyone for that particular position. The point you seem to be missing here is, no one is saying the cinema is in the right here, no one is saying they way you were treated was right, we're saying your attitude to it is wrong. you started a thread saying you found it hard but your attitude didn't come across like someone who genuinely wanted help getting work they just wanted 20 posters to tell you what arseholes the cinema was.

If that's what you want to hear then fine, but if it's genuine help looking for work you're going the wrong way about it, and if you go the wrong way about it here we have to assume you go the wrong way about it in the "real world" which has led to this thread going down hill and looking like we're trying to insult you which is not the case

Your prob right in thats what i was looking for at first, i was peeved big time. But now, as i mentioned earlier i am curious as to the legality of stating someone is refused a job based on 'lack of experience', partic when no threshold for such levels of exp is established, they didnt say one year plus, just asked about cash handling etc, and i ticked all them boxes!! So in summary, i wasnt necessarily looking for help as such, just some insight into why on earth they would send me such an email, which to me, made no sense.

Just to give you further background on my dissappointment. I have applied to other cinema's too, each one I have drawn up a detailed company specific cover letter and handed it in personally to their retail location. With this partic cinema, i did same, drove up and went to hand in my cover letter and cv but was told they only take online applications. Fairy nuff, i spent the last couple of weeks keeping an eye out and last friday they had post on site about staff wanted, so i took an hour and sat down to fill out as professionally as i could, the online application. I dont just expect a job to pop up on my lap but i made concerted effort to get this partic job, because i really really enjoyed it and i was good at it previously. My dissappointment being compounded by the fact that unfortunately some of their staff look like the would rather be diggin graves than working there. Perhaps this give a better insight into my thinking.

I was so disappointed because i put more effort than most to get this job, coupled with having plenty of exp the email they sent was a pretty big kick in the nuts.

givyjoe81

ntlbell wrote: »

What has any of this got to do you with getting a job?

really, it's like you're not reading the posts.

The whole point was demonstrating why i called some of their staff moron's! While you may not agree with the term used, explaining why i said might make you understand where im coming from.

ntlbell

givyjoe81 wrote: »

I was so disappointed because i put more effort than most to get this job, coupled with having plenty of exp the email they sent was a pretty big kick in the nuts.

that's all fair enough, but now it's time to forget about worrying about legalities etc is just wasting your energies on something that is really not worth the effort. eithier do what argghh said and try and get a meeting with hiring manager if not move on.

There is a lot of jobs out there if tho we're in a recession.

Make a list of all the jobs you ARE willing to do try not to be too fussy.

If you're interested in film get cracking on all the video shops

extra vision/chart busters etc

into music? try all the music stores hmv/golden discs/etc etc

clothes shops

keep banging out the cv follow up with phone calls get on to the agencies.

if you put in the effort the work will come..

givyjoe81

ntlbell wrote: »

that's all fair enough, but now it's time to forget about worrying about legalities etc is just wasting your energies on something that is really not worth the effort. eithier do what argghh said and try and get a meeting with hiring manager if not move on.

There is a lot of jobs out there if tho we're in a recession.

Make a list of all the jobs you ARE willing to do try not to be too fussy.

If you're interested in film get cracking on all the video shops

extra vision/chart busters etc

into music? try all the music stores hmv/golden discs/etc etc

clothes shops

keep banging out the cv follow up with phone calls get on to the agencies.

if you put in the effort the work will come..

Only really fussy on maximising my earnings in minimum time, dont mind what i do with a few exceptions! i.e. McDonalds and the like, im sure most will understand! Would be apprehensive about going back to Xv but thats whole other story. Appreciate all the help and apologise for going on and on and gettin agro.:D

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