Dancing Sun Phenonema

Gareth37

Hello,

Myself and 2 others witnessed the dancing sun phenonema today (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Miracle_of_Fatima ) in Letterkenny, Donegal.

This was my first time seeing this and I ahve to say I am still quite shocked and taken back.

What I want to know is; is this a natural phenonema and is there a meteorological or scientific explanation?

M.T. Cranium

There might be a physical explanation for this, can you provide any details like time of day and the weather conditions you might have noticed before and during the event? Also a more detailed description of what you saw.

What I'm thinking about a physical explanation is based on the general weather situation yesterday, which I reviewed on satellite imagery and looking at nearby hourly observations. Seems to me the sky was probably 70-90 per cent cloud covered much of the time, winds were fairly light, there could have been some sea fog drifting inland in some places. With stable conditions, you could get some strange optical effects at this time of year when the sun is low in the sky.

I'm not saying this explains it, or suggesting that this is what happened at Fatima or in Yugoslavia. In this case, however, it may not have been quite as mysterious. Where I live is also just a few miles inland from the ocean, we quite often get strange fogs that drift around for most of the day, and you can see some very strange optical effects like strobe lighting although the really strange ones that I have seen involve reflections off high-rise apartment buildings that have a lot of glass surfaces.

I'm sure people all around Ireland must be pretty familiar with layers of sea fog and these optical effects, but some places get them more often than others. Any chance it had something to do with this? I've never had the feeling that the sun itself was moving in these optical effects, more like the source of the light was rotating from some fixed point.

Supercell

I'm deeply uncomfortable with the tone of this topic.
This is a weather forum wihich is a sub forum inthe Science category..please folks direct any religious discussion to the Religion & Spirituality forums.

Any further replies not directly related to the original "phenomina" as described and any scientific explanation thereof will be deleted and the poster temp banned.

I hate to come in heavy handed here but this kind of discussion is so far away from what this forum is about I strongly feel it needs to be stopped right here and now.

Gareth37

Ok, here are a few videos of the new phenonema, Im sure there are scientific explanations but they seem to happen as Holy signs and the Bible does mention great signs from the Sun before the end:

Have a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGCRBrV0f2s

This one is quite similar, although the sun also "danced" on saturday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep_URgsX_QI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giqPGqC_7ko&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsYk9laxzhQ&feature=related

Yemen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGCyYujX9rc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrh_fxKwBlM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWrgIf5N2Zg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj0Fr4VQUwE&watch_response


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_(optical_phenomenon) - this explains the sun with the Halo or at least attempts to explain it.

NASA also seem to be understanding the changes 91 years after the first report in fatima:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2007/21mar_chromosphere.htm

highdef

From what I can see, the so called Dancing Sun phenomena has little or nothing to do with "god" or the weather. From what I can tell, the flashing is caused by the auto-exposure on the camera (most likely a cheap camera or a camera phone) being overwhelmed by the amount of light entering the iris and onto the CCD. For one thing, pointing a video camera at the sun is a VERY bad thing to do as it can be destroyed quite easily if pointed at the sun for anything more than a very short period of time - just like looking at the sun with your own eyes, in fact! And as for the shape of the sun changing, that is simply due to the shape of the iris in the almost closed position being picked up on the image device, the CCD (or CMOS). When conditions are similar to those posted in the Youtube videos, I will try it out myself. I will setup my 21 year old camera on autoexposure and my almost new professional HD video camera on manual exposure. If it happens on the 21 year old camera, then by right, it should also happen on the new camera. If it only happens on the old camera, then this will prove that either:
A) My theory is correct or
God is only making his phenomena appear in my old camera, for some unknown reason.
I would also bet lots of money that I will not see the phenomena through my naked eye, due to the fact that us humans have excellent auto-exposure systems.

PS: I will only point the my cameras towards the sun for a few seconds and only if it is not direct sun, ie: it must be partially blocked by clouds. I don't want my CCDs to be fried!!!

PPS: What has your link on a solar flare got to do with the "dancing sun"? They are not connected in any way, bar the sun itself. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2007/21mar_chromosphere.htm

And you also said that "the Bible does mention great signs from the Sun before the end" - Does that mean that what happened in Letterkenny mean that we are soon to be all doomed?? I'm curious to know.

Gareth37

highdef wrote: »

From what I can see, the so called Dancing Sun phenomena has little or nothing to do with "god" or the weather. From what I can tell, the flashing is caused by the auto-exposure on the camera (most likely a cheap camera or a camera phone) being overwhelmed by the amount of light entering the iris and onto the CCD. For one thing, pointing a video camera at the sun is a VERY bad thing to do as it can be destroyed quite easily if pointed at the sun for anything more than a very short period of time - just like looking at the sun with your own eyes, in fact! And as for the shape of the sun changing, that is simply due to the shape of the iris in the almost closed position being picked up on the image device, the CCD (or CMOS). When conditions are similar to those posted in the Youtube videos, I will try it out myself. I will setup my 21 year old camera on autoexposure and my almost new professional HD video camera on manual exposure. If it happens on the 21 year old camera, then by right, it should also happen on the new camera. If it only happens on the old camera, then this will prove that either:
A) My theory is correct or
God is only making his phenomena appear in my old camera, for some unknown reason.
I would also bet lots of money that I will not see the phenomena through my naked eye, due to the fact that us humans have excellent auto-exposure systems.

PS: I will only point the my cameras towards the sun for a few seconds and only if it is not direct sun, ie: it must be partially blocked by clouds. I don't want my CCDs to be fried!!!

PPS: What has your link on a solar flare got to do with the "dancing sun"? They are not connected in any way, bar the sun itself. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2007/21mar_chromosphere.htm

And you also said that "the Bible does mention great signs from the Sun before the end" - Does that mean that what happened in Letterkenny mean that we are soon to be all doomed?? I'm curious to know.

I seen it with my own two eyes :eek: All 3 of us did. Took a few photos but no video, the photos don't say a lot as the 3 dancing suns were not present when the pics were taken. I would have taken a video but I was quite nervous and taken back by the whole experience.

Also the sun goes into pale colour and an "eclipse" affect occurs where a fine circle, like the Holy communion, shields the eyes.

Gareth37

highdef wrote: »

And you also said that "the Bible does mention great signs from the Sun before the end" - Does that mean that what happened in Letterkenny mean that we are soon to be all doomed?? I'm curious to know.

Regardless to whether or not the end is near none of us are mortal on earth so the same principles of life apply I guess.

I think its a warning for sinners like myself to repent.

peasant

Has it ever occured to you that if god (or whatever) wanted to communicate the end of the world (or whatever) to mankind via making the sune shine in morse code or disco dancing mode that the whole world (at least the bit that has daytime) would see it and not just three miserly people in insignificant Letterkenny ?

(No offence to Letterkenny people ...but in the grand scheme of things it is a bit insignificant )

Gareth37

peasant wrote: »

Has it ever occured to you that if god (or whatever) wanted to communicate the end of the world (or whatever) to mankind via making the sune shine in morse code or disco dancing mode that the whole world (at least the bit that has daytime) would see it and not just three miserly people in insignificant Letterkenny ?

(No offence to Letterkenny people ...but in the grand scheme of things it is a bit insignificant )

Fair enough, I don't think the signs for end of the world are to be taken like that. they are just warnings to be better and obey God's word in the Bible. Thats an argument for another day.

But I very surprised all the same that there does not seem to be a scientific explanation.

Supercell

Ok topic locked.
Gareth37, I appreciate you have strong religious beliefs, this however is not the place to express them.