"Alive"

robindch

As another thread looks like it's going to jump the rails on account of the publishing efforts of a Mr McKevitt from Tallaght, perhaps it's time to have a thread devoted to his odious publication.

It's called "Alive" and it's freely available from many churches and, thanks to an army of (apparently) over one thousand, it's also pushed through the nation's letter boxes too. As regular forum inhabitants may know by now, the publication is virulently anti-EU and in the run-up to the Lisbon Referendum in June, printed a series of articles and ads which were not only entirely false, but also went against the stated policy of the bishops of the church, as well as what appeared to be the Pope's message of European integration.

Back-issues can be downloaded from here. The Pope on Europe is here. The Irish bishops on Lisbon are here, their pastoral reflection is here and last week's promise by Cardinal Brady to monitor such publications is here.

Comments?

AtomicHorror

robindch wrote: »

As another thread looks like it's going to jump the rails on account of the publishing efforts of a Mr McKevitt from Tallaght, perhaps it's time to have a thread devoted to his odious publication.

It's called "Alive" and it's freely available from many churches and, thanks to an army of (apparently) over one thousand, it's also pushed through the nation's letter boxes too. As regular forum inhabitants may know by now, the publication is virulently anti-EU and in the run-up to the Lisbon Referendum in June, printed a series of articles and ads which were not only entirely false, but also went against the stated policy of the bishops of the church, as well as what appeared to be the Pope's message of European integration.

Back-issues can be downloaded from here. The Pope on Europe is here. The Irish bishops on Lisbon are here, their pastoral reflection is here and last week's promise by Cardinal Brady to monitor such publications is here.

Comments?

It's a rag.

Gareth37

robindch wrote: »

As another thread looks like it's going to jump the rails on account of the publishing efforts of a Mr McKevitt from Tallaght, perhaps it's time to have a thread devoted to his odious publication.

It's called "Alive" and it's freely available from many churches and, thanks to an army of (apparently) over one thousand, it's also pushed through the nation's letter boxes too. As regular forum inhabitants may know by now, the publication is virulently anti-EU and in the run-up to the Lisbon Referendum in June, printed a series of articles and ads which were not only entirely false, but also went against the stated policy of the bishops of the church, as well as what appeared to be the Pope's message of European integration.

Back-issues can be downloaded from here. The Pope on Europe is here. The Irish bishops on Lisbon are here, their pastoral reflection is here and last week's promise by Cardinal Brady to monitor such publications is here.

Comments?

How dare you put words into the Bishops' and Pope's mouths.

They did not say that they support the treaty - the words put around their comments by the BBC and othe publishers would make you believe that they did.

Stop spreading lies. You are only fooling yourself into thinking that what you are doing and following is correct.

Alive = Truth

Gareth37

Just as I was saying myself:

http://www.truthtv.org/newstext.asp?newsid=3706

Alive = truth

Tabnabs

McKevitt?? :rolleyes:

Gareth37

Dyflin wrote: »

McKevitt?? :rolleyes:

As far as I see those of you who post up this here are trying to help Alive as the publicity will do wonders for the word of God. You know like I do that the Lisbon Treaty is bad for Ireland (economically, socially and culturally) and bad for the world for this marks the beginning of the end.

Malari

Gareth37 wrote: »

As far as I see those of you who post up this here are trying to help Alive as the publicity will do wonders for the word of God. You know like I do that the Lisbon Treaty is bad for Ireland (economically, socially and culturally) and bad for the world for this marks the beginning of the end.

Well, it will probably help the publication in the short term, but not everyone who reads it will fall for its message. I'd pick it up if I see it somewhere just to see what the fuss is about.

--amadeus--

I really, really hope that this publicity will drive more people to look at and read this publication. i had never seen it but I have just had a mooch around teh website.

I have never (ever) come across a worse piece of drivel. The website itself is like a relic from 1989 and looks like it was thrown together by a disinterested transition year student using PowerPoint97. The "articles" are poorly wriiten, shoddily structured, incoherent and often contradictory. The writing style is clumsy and veers between shrieking and beseeching. At no point does any manner of thought or research seem to have been placed behind a single story. In fact I would hesitate to call them stories - they are op-ed pieces where half baked and unformed ideas are screeched as fact and bigotry and intolerence is trumpeted. In my leaving cert year we produced a school magazine with higher production and editorial standards.

So hopefully because of teh media fuss lately some more of the "364,000" (wonder if that is independantly audited) homes will put some effort into looking at this rag over teh coming weeks. Because if they do it will drive yet another nail into the coffin of teh RC church in this country.

The nation has moved on and this kind of hectoring nonsense may have worked in the 50's, it won't was now.

CerebralCortex

Gareth37 wrote: »

As far as I see those of you who post up this here are trying to help Alive as the publicity will do wonders for the word of God. You know like I do that the Lisbon Treaty is bad for Ireland (economically, socially and culturally) and bad for the world for this marks the beginning of the end.

That seems to be the strategy alright a reverse psychology of sorts until you actually read it! Come on Gareth admit when a publication paints Russell Brandt, of all people, as a promoter of the resurrection then you know its propaganda rubbish.

AtomicHorror

Gareth37 wrote: »

As far as I see those of you who post up this here are trying to help Alive as the publicity will do wonders for the word of God. You know like I do that the Lisbon Treaty is bad for Ireland (economically, socially and culturally) and bad for the world for this marks the beginning of the end.

McKevitt? Maybe. Ganley? Probably.

Wrong? Definitely.

MrPudding

Quick question, and a genuine one, is Gareth37 for real?

MrP

Malari

MrPudding wrote: »

Quick question, and a genuine one, is Gareth37 for real?

MrP

Have you never met someone like that in real life, Mr P? They do exist!

EDIT: I just had a quick look through the November 2008 issue online. I think it's interesting that they lure you in with a picture of Angelina Jolie on the front cover, much like any other rag, then the article inside doesn't even mention her! Actually, I kind of felt like I was reading the Onion...

Fanny Cradock

Mr P., Malari, let's keep those comments relating to other members to yourselves.

Goduznt Xzst

Site itself appears to be registered to a John McDermott. Hadn't heard about this until this thread.

Alive = Lies

kelly1

robindch wrote: »

Comments?

Yes, I think it's a great little paper, one of my favourites. It isn't afraid to speak out against the power's that be. Very interesting articles/testimonies too.

Galvasean

It comes in my door once in a while along with the JC Savage's newsletter.
In times of recession such fuel for my fireplace is much appreciated.
Alive moves in mysterious ways...

Ziggurat

I have never in my life encountered, outside the internet, such a hodge-podge of half-baked, crackpot ideas and rampant paranoia.

It's like the Weekly World News. Except the people who write it and most of those who read it take it seriously.

Run_to_da_hills

I read it a few times when my ma was in Vincents Hospital, the paper is distributed FOC. I wouldn't have had much interest at all in religious end of things but the articles on Lisbon were an awakener and nothing that I did not know already.

I am very surprised other Catholic papers and indeed fundamentalist Christian Churches and their journals did not speak out against the evils of the European Constitution instead of following the sheeple

Perhaps if the Government is so shortsighted it could do this paper a favor by getting Brady to ban it, then like An Phoblacht it would become very popular and find its way into pubs and streets.

Good article from Wise Up Journal on the matter. http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=636

Gareth37

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I read it a few times when my ma was in Vincents Hospital, the paper is distributed FOC. I wouldn't have had much interest in religious end of things but the articles on Lisbon were an awakener and nothing that I didn't know already.

I am very surprised other Catholic papers and indeed fundamental Churches and papers did not speak out against the evils of the European Constitution instead of following the sheeple

Yes it was the same here, it just confirmed to me that others out there speak the truth given wisdom from God. Everything politically is accurate in the publication as far as I can see.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Perhaps if the Government is so shortsighted it would do this paper a favor by getting Brady to ban it, then like An Phoblacht it would become very popular and find its way into pubs and streets.

I don't think our Government is the problem. Its the antichrist Dragon worshipping the Beast that is the problem. Remember that the Rosary kept faith alive in this country when another smaller antichrist movement banned it. That spirit and the mass baptism of the people will bring some of this country back to God whilst our bigger neighbours in the Dragon goes from strength to strength economically to finally crash in accordance with the scripture.

The problem for our government is that we are so far in here above our necks. We have to slowly withdraw from the Dragon whilst keeping our head above water politically.

If the EU is so great for this country then why are we bankrupt?

Tabnabs

Gareth37 wrote: »

Its the antichrist Dragon worshipping the Beast that is the problem.

"I have no idea what anyone`s talking about, so I`m out"

CerebralCortex

Who or what is the Dragon?

Gareth37

CerebralCortex wrote: »

Who or what is the Dragon?

Here is a picture of my interpretation of the Dragon mentioned in scripture:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/europe_ref_2007.jpg

Delirium

Gareth37 wrote: »

Here is a picture of my interpretation of the Dragon mentioned in scripture:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/europe_ref_2007.jpg

So is Europe evil because the continent looks like a dragon?

Gareth37

koth wrote: »

So is Europe evil because the continent looks like a dragon?

I hope to explain this part of scripture at some stage and ask for feedback from other readers of scripture.

You really have to read scripture and have a basic understanding of the political climate of the world to understand that the Dragon must be Europe. It also looks like a dragon and carries one of the big beasts on its back - Russia.

I hope to go into more detail and hopefully all readers of the Bible will give their views and interpretations.

AtomicHorror

Gareth37 wrote: »

I hope to explain this part of scripture at some stage and ask for feedback from other readers of scripture.

You really have to read scripture and have a basic understanding of the political climate of the world to understand that the Dragon must be Europe. It also looks like a dragon and carries one of the big beasts on its back - Russia.

I hope to go into more detail and hopefully all readers of the Bible will give their views and interpretations.

Prophesy? Please.

Fanny Cradock

Gareth, you are new here and I am cutting you some slack. If you want to talk about the end times then start another thread on it. However, I would encourage you to stop trying to predict it and get on with your life instead.

Húrin

It's a highly negative and hate-filled rag, with a disturbing enthusiasm for attacking other Christians for being "liberal".

Galvasean

Gareth37 wrote: »

Here is a picture of my interpretation of the Dragon mentioned in scripture:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/europe_ref_2007.jpg

Algeria?

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

Gareth, you are new here and I am cutting you some slack. If you want to talk about the end times then start another thread on it.

No need. There is that Bible, Creationism and Prophecy super thread. More than just evolution versus creationism.

rockbeer

Gareth37 wrote: »

Here is a picture of my interpretation of the Dragon mentioned in scripture:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/europe_ref_2007.jpg

Gareth, that's so disappointing. I was expecting something at least as dragon-like as this.

Nodin

rockbeer wrote: »

Gareth, that's so disappointing. I was expecting something at least as dragon-like as this.

I was going to dig up an album cover for him, but then I remembered....

Goduznt Xzst

Gareth37 wrote: »

Here is a picture of my interpretation of the Dragon mentioned in scripture:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/europe_ref_2007.jpg

This is what I think the dragon symbolizes, OMG!!! :eek: Africa and South America are the antichrist T-Rex :eek:

oobydooby

This thread is bonkers

Tabnabs

Please, that's clearly "The Beast"

Oh wait, does creationism acknowledge dinosaurs? Or wouldn't they be roaming the earth when they were building newgrange and the pyramids?

Fanny Cradock

In light of the warning I have already given gareth, the next person to mention the beast and drags this thread off topic gets infracted.

Lazare

Funniest thread ever.

If ever I needed my atheism confirmed, this thread surely is it.

Gareth, these guys would like to hear more about your dragons.

Fanny Cradock

Boom! Infracted.

(Actually, I just gave you a warning as I'm feeling nice.)

kelly1

Gareth37 wrote: »

Here is a picture of my interpretation of the Dragon mentioned in scripture:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/europe_ref_2007.jpg

Gareth, the dragon is actually a representation of the devil in Revelations.

EDIT: Sorry just read your warning mod!

studiorat

Gareth37 wrote: »

I hope to explain this part of scripture at some stage and ask for feedback from other readers of scripture.

Oh the "proof's" in there alright. If you go in with a pre-conceived idea of what you are looking for you can find anything you want in the bible.

I'll be looking forward to this...

studiorat

Gareth37 wrote: »

If the EU is so great for this country then why are we bankrupt?

We are not...

What we all will agree on this that paper and coin money will be removed by the antichrist movement. Is this correct in your opinion?

What replaces money won't become clear until it actually exists but it will be either a mark in the right hand (which could be a credit card or other electronic device with this functionality) or forehead. People can speculate what this mark is but until it actually exists me or you cannot be sure.

more rubbish from alive?

Acacia

My dad often brings home this paper. I wouldn't agree with most of what's in it, however, they should be allowed to write against the Lisbon Treaty if they want. Freedom of speech, and all that.

To say ''church-goers might be persuaded to vote no'' just because it's written in 'Alive!' is a tad condescending. Surely they can expect adults to base their political decisions on more than what is written in one newspaper?

studiorat

^^^
I'd be more concerned about adults voting being convinced by their misrepresentation of Irelands involvment in the EU.

"Ireland's right to shape its own future" being "drastically reduced"

I've no problem with a such a journal, except that the average church goer would be of the belief that the points of view expressed by them are the same as the catholic church. They are not...

Cardinal Brady said that Catholics could vote in good conscience for the treaty, but the newspaper was not under his control.

Alive seeks to do do nothing but condemn viewpoints not help by the paper.

I also take exception to the Dum-Bag editorial that uses some sort of satanic perspective to express the views of non-catholics. Also from my reading on the subject of Alive there seems to be a contradiction in McKevitts statements of the use of the journal for advertizing a the income from that.

If you are happy with the freedom of speech to infer that satanists would make better parents than homosexuals well I guess you are welcome to this vicious hate mongering right wing rag. Personally I wouldn't allow it into my house.

Acacia

studiorat wrote: »

If you are happy with the freedom of speech to infer that satanists would make better parents than homosexuals well I guess you are welcome to this vicious hate mongering right wing rag. Personally I wouldn't allow it into my house.

:rolleyes:

Yep, that's exactly what I'm condoning.

The paper has a right to publish its opinions about the E.U. Anti-homosexual remarks, not so much.

Did anybody complain (i.e. call for it to be banned) about the paper's right-wing remarks before they published anti- EU comments? Not that I recall.

My point is, I think grown adults can be trusted to make up their own minds on the Lisbon Treaty issue, regardless of what a 'right-wing rag' publishes.

I agree with your point out the Dum-Bag editorial though- that has always seemed rather condescending towards non-believers, atheists, etc. As I said before, I don't like the paper. I have read it before because my parents bring it home from Mass.

jill_valentine

I don't think I could advocate banning Alive or anything, but I wish there could be some sort of minimum factual accuracy standard enforced in publishing... That's a complex can of worms though.

studiorat

Acacia wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Yep, that's exactly what I'm condoning.

The paper has a right to publish its opinions about the E.U. Anti-homosexual remarks, not so much.

Did anybody complain (i.e. call for it to be banned) about the paper's right-wing remarks before they published anti- EU comments? Not that I recall.

My point is, I think grown adults can be trusted to make up their own minds on the Lisbon Treaty issue, regardless of what a 'right-wing rag' publishes.

I agree with your point out the Dum-Bag editorial though- that has always seemed rather condescending towards non-believers, atheists, etc. As I said before, I don't like the paper. I have read it before because my parents bring it home from Mass.

I know you're not condoning their more out there stuff, but a rant is a rant!

If I'd known about it I would have...
My issue is that it's available (I presume) in Catholic Churches around the country, yet politically speaking it takes an opposite view to the CC itself. People are picking this up in their church and taking it to be the CC standpoint on the issue. And voting accordingly.
As a religious publication I believe they have an onus not to take political sides, particularly as they don't seem to understand what they are talking about.

Gareth37

What date is the December issue out, it should make interesting reading?

www.alive.ie

Gareth37

kelly1 wrote: »

Gareth, the dragon is actually a representation of the devil in Revelations.

EDIT: Sorry just read your warning mod!

Yes, Im new to the Bible so forgive my ignorance. However, there could be a double meaning also but I must investigate further.

Does it not say that it is breathing fire at its moth creating desert (Sahara) and a river that describes the Med? Sorry I could way off here.

J_E

Found this thread and thought it was worth bringing back.

After doing a bit of searching I found an online version of the magazine here.

There's some seriously awful stuff here. "Helping the victims of a college education"? Apparently going to college will make you a no-hoper and no-brainer, "thinking you're so cool" Also there's a nasty little bit of conservative homophobia is on pg, 7. I do worry for all the people reading this publication and actually taking it seriously...

"Big brother wants control of your kids" yeah, no.

Snappy Smurf

Cydoniac wrote: »

Found this thread and thought it was worth bringing back.

After doing a bit of searching I found an online version of the magazine here.

There's some seriously awful stuff here. "Helping the victims of a college education"? Apparently going to college will make you a no-hoper and no-brainer, "thinking you're so cool" Also there's a nasty little bit of conservative homophobia is on pg, 7. I do worry for all the people reading this publication and actually taking it seriously...

"Big brother wants control of your kids" yeah, no.

I want a time travel machine to bring me back to 2008. However, I don't think it was a good idea to resurrect this thread. Alive! is a fine publication and lots of people enjoy reading it.

There's an absolutely hilarious piece in the latest issue, which I include for your enjoyment here:

Bad with figures

Organisers of the Eucharistic Congress say that some 65,000 people took part in the closing Mass in Croke Park.
They arrived at this figure by scanning the tickets of those entering the stadium.
Patsy McGarry, writing in the Irish Times, put the figure much lower, at “about 50,000, according to gardai,”.
The Garda Press Office, however, said that McGarry’s figure did not come from them.
So the journalist may have got it from a couple of gardai giving an opinion off the top of their heads.
But quoting “gardai” rather than “fruit sellers” or “taxi drivers” made it sound more authoritative.
It’s a small matter, but it illustrates the need to take what the media, especially the Irish Times, say, with a pinch of salt.

studiorat

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

Alive! is a fine publication and lots of people enjoy reading it.

There's an absolutely hilarious piece in the latest issue, which I include for your enjoyment here:

Back in 2008 we thought they were serious.
We didn't realize it was a comedy magazine.

NotForResale

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

I want a time travel machine to bring me back to 2008. However, I don't think it was a good idea to resurrect this thread. Alive! is a fine publication and lots of people enjoy reading it.

There's an absolutely hilarious piece in the latest issue, which I include for your enjoyment here:

Ask the pope about Eucharistic congress attendance, he has the direct line to guy keeping tabs on us all. Why does attendance even matter though. the meager few that show up should be content in knowing they have payed their indulgences and are thus saved.


As for Alive, i see those papers all the time in my local Tesco, they never move, the publisher is probably still using the paper from when they started publishing, just recycling it and recycling it.

I think i would like to get in on this lark, is it possible to make applications to the catholic church to forwarded funding to right one of these "newspapers"?

I love to play Poe so what i write should be indistinguishable from apologists like David Quinn. I might be more consistent though.


2008? really?

TwoShedsJackson

It’s a small matter, but it illustrates the need to take what the media, especially the Irish Times, say, with a pinch of salt.

But of course everything printed in 'Alive' should be considered the unimpeachable truth, carved in a slab of granite.