35 new Aldi Stores announced

Antrim_Man

And still no mention of one for Bray or surrounding area. Nearest one is at the Ilac centre :eek:

mike65

Surprising, so nothing in north Wilka at all?

Apart from that, its proof that the right business model can thrive in hard times.

Mike

Shelflife

yes its absolutley wonderful, 35 new stores bringing 650 new jobs to ireland , wonderful thats 18 new jobs per store, yup 18 what a bonus to the country that is , your local shop would employ that many staff with a tenth of the turnover, but sure all the suppliers will be happy aaaahhh yeah but most of them are in germany or the north, and dont forget that all the profits will be sent back to germany.

dont forget the small shops in the towns that they go to ,will lose jobs as a result so the net effect will be [EMAIL="f@*k"]f@*k[/EMAIL] all new jobs with a huge exodus of cash to germany.

wonderful wonderful news !!!!!

Jaysoose

Jaysus christ there really is no pleasing some people!!

a bit of healthy competition is a good thing is it not and if this brings the prices in other stores down to a more realistic level as they will have to be more competitive is only a good thing for all us customers.

The days of being ripped off by the cartels is coming to an end people.:p

ongarite

I think it is wonderful news.
If that was an attempt at sarcasm, it failed badly!
If you actually took the time to look in Aldi, Lidl you would find a lot more Irish product in it than your tinted glasses would believe.

KTRIC

Its just as well Germany didn't win the war or we'd all be driving on German roads, in German cars to our German supermarkets....



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Wait a minute !!!

mike65

40% of Aldi stock is Irish sourced. Plenty of lidl is too.

Mike

joolsveer

Does anyone have a list of locations?

Aldi own a site in Clonsilla but have been refused planning permission for a development there. The nearest Aldis are Fonthill or Finglas.

Shelflife

i never said that there wasnt irish product in the stores , but if you look closely you will find that most of the irish products are from the north.

im not saying that they are not well run because they clearly are, what im saying is that we will pay for the cheap prices in the long run with lower employment in the actual sector and in the suppliers sector.

inforfun

Shelflife wrote: »

yes its absolutley wonderful, 35 new stores bringing 650 new jobs to ireland , wonderful thats 18 new jobs per store, yup 18 what a bonus to the country that is , your local shop would employ that many staff with a tenth of the turnover, but sure all the suppliers will be happy aaaahhh yeah but most of them are in germany or the north, and dont forget that all the profits will be sent back to germany.

dont forget the small shops in the towns that they go to ,will lose jobs as a result so the net effect will be f@*k all new jobs with a huge exodus of cash to germany.

wonderful wonderful news !!!!!

2 liter of milk €1.20 in Lidl
2 liter of milk €2.50 at my local shop.

I am not that worried about the local going out of business if the reason is screwing customers with ridiculous prices.

Shelflife

Mike where did you pull that figure from??

Shelflife

inforfun its not just the shop but the milk supplier and the farmer that goes out of business as well.

Jaysoose

What a load of rubbish, your claims are not founded on anything other than your own opinions!!

inforfun

Shelflife wrote: »

inforfun its not just the shop but the milk supplier and the farmer that goes out of business as well.

Yeah well... that is too bad for them then. Me being able to keep some money in my pocket is more of a concern to me than some subsidised farmer going out of business

Shelflife

thats grand inforfun but that would mean higher unemployment higher taxes and less money in your pocket.

maybe you dont work in the milk factory , but maybe you work in the accountants office that does the milk factories books, if they are gone then there are no books to be done so in turn you lose your job.

so you end up with less money in your pocket---- in the long term.

Shelflife

jayoose im merely taking a logical approach to the situation, explain where im going wrong please.

dubmick

joolsveer wrote: »

Does anyone have a list of locations?

Aldi own a site in Clonsilla but have been refused planning permission for a development there. The nearest Aldis are Fonthill or Finglas.

I know there is one being built in Balbriggan

tw0nk

Shelflife, Aldi are competing with other supermarkets, not local shops, for example, in my town Enniscorthy, Lidl and Aldi are side by side and about 50 metres away from a local Mace, the Mace shop is completely over-priced on every item and still does a cracking trade, in fact I would say its one of the most profitable business' in the town. Since Aldi and Lidl opened no staff have been let go and Mace have not lost out.

Now a fair comparison is Aldi versus other supermarkets in the town, and yes this has effected some and what they did to combat this was admirable and a far cry from whinging about competition. For example, pettitts which was Wexford owned was bought by supervalu and they have offered clubcard points, excellent weekly offers and more convenient opening hours and to my knowledge havent lost any jobs etc to Aldi/Lidl either.

I hope that sums up my disagreements on your previous posts with examples to back them up.

On sourcing of cheaper stock... Every shop in the country is trying its level best to get cheaper stock from China etc.

The point you made about farmers getting losing out, I agree with you there but its completely the Government and Europe's fault, not Aldi or Lidl

Jaysoose

Shelflife wrote: »

jayoose im merely taking a logical approach to the situation, explain where im going wrong please.

Your not being logical as these stores are not replacing anything they are providing people with alternatives. The spar/local shop is still going to be there, the suppliers are still going to be there, they will simply have to adjust their pricing strategies to be competitive. The price of foofstuffs etc have been extortionate in ireland for years so if anybody goes under from extra aldi/lidl shops opening then that is their own fault.

If your being logical then provide some evidence of a correlation between Aldi opening and Local shops etc closing..

JohnC.

Aldi don't even do much of the stuff that small local shop do, so they will still get their business.

Many people seem to also assume that many of their Irish products aren't Irish because they have not heard of them before. It's only because they are from smaller suppliers rather than the larger, often foreign owned multinationals, who bought previously Irish suppliers. So they are helping other smaller companies too.

snubbleste

inforfun wrote: »

2 liter of milk €1.20 in Lidl
2 liter of milk €2.50 at my local shop.
I am not that worried about the local going out of business if the reason is screwing customers with ridiculous prices.

Which Lidl sells 2l of milk for €1.20?

foggy_lad

snubbleste wrote: »

Which Lidl sells 2l of milk for €1.20?

€1.65 in lidl aldi and tescos for 2ltr of milk

Shelflife

twonk you make some very valid points there, in my own experience there is a n aldi, lidl , and tesco in the town and many of the smaller shops didnt take on any summer staff ./ or not as many as their trade was down, i know that they are not competeting like with like but they are a drain on the local shops.

im not anti competition in fact i believe its healthy for business but we need to be careful in letting these huge multinational companies tesco/aldi/lidl waltz in and siphon up the local money and repatriate it.

they give very little back to the communities that they live in and in the case of aldi/lidl they dont even employ many people in comparasion to their turnover.

By and large people dont realise how big these companies are and how much buying power they have and influence they have. In the uk tesco have intimadated planning officials by threatening legal action if their planning permission is denied which would bankrupt the council. they lower prices to put smaller shops out of business and then put the prices up when they have effectively a monoploy in the area and yet the irish plannes are happy to let them build away merrily.

in the uk tesco in particular have decimated town centres and left towns without petrol stations so that local have to travel 10 -20 miles just to get fuel.

its just something to be wary of, beware of strangers bearing gifts.

LEIN

Shelflife wrote: »

im not anti competition in fact i believe its healthy for business but we need to be careful in letting these huge multinational companies tesco/aldi/lidl waltz in and siphon up the local money and repatriate it.

they give very little back to the communities that they live in and in the case of aldi/lidl they dont even employ many people in comparasion to their turnover.

By and large people dont realise how big these companies are and how much buying power they have and influence they have. they lower prices to put smaller shops out of business and then put the prices up when they have effectively a monoploy in the area and yet the irish plannes are happy to let them build away merrily.

tw0nk wrote: »

Aldi are competing with other supermarkets, not local shops, for example, in my town Enniscorthy, Lidl and Aldi are side by side and about 50 metres away from a local Mace, the Mace shop is completely over-priced on every item and still does a cracking trade, in fact I would say its one of the most profitable business' in the town. Since Aldi and Lidl opened no staff have been let go and Mace have not lost out.

Where is the proof that this going to happen Shelflife because IMO this is the kick up the arse the rip off merchants need.

Cabaal

Shelflife wrote: »

......but sure all the suppliers will be happy aaaahhh yeah but most of them are in germany or the north, and dont forget that all the profits will be sent back to germany.....

all the suppliers?
40% of them are Irish, I know one local company to me that supplys both Aldi and Lidi in UK & Ireland as well as other supermarkets in Ireland

Would you prefer people shop at Tesco's?

dahamsta

High prices are not necessarily indicative of profiteering. There are other factors involved, in particular costs. Please folks, go to Wikipedia and read even the main page about economics before opening your mouth and advertising that you're a Star reader.

adam

antoinolachtnai

I understand that 2 litres of milk can be bought w/s for 1.07.

Lidl/aldi are not shops that interact competitively with traditional stores in the way that Tesco/Dunnes/Asda do. They are smaller shops, in Germany they are frequently located in town centres (and sometimes in Ireland too) and they don't attempt to sell a full range of goods.

a.

rubadub

Is there a list of places the shops are opening?

dSTAR

ALDI seem to be taking over the world. They are opening up stores left, right and centre here. I don't have a problem with it at all because the other major supermarket chains have been ripping off consumers for years.

Some of blatant rip offs and gross profiteering that the chains have been engaging in are:

• The fuel docket scam which saves you 4 cents a litre on petrol but which is passed on to food prices in store.
  
• Selling products for the same price even though the manufacturer have sneakily kept the packaging the same size but reduced the weight.
  
• Deliberately attempting to delay the introduction of 'unit pricing' which consumers have demanded and which ALDI have exploited.

• Promoting high turnover/high profit junk food and soft drinks to lure consumers away from their local stores.

• Their irresponsible price wars and use of loss leaders which is inevitably passed onto to the consumer.

Having said that the range of products in ALDI is a very limited and invariably I have to got back to said supermarkets to get what I need.

the groutch

35 stores?

buying out dunnes????????????????????????????????????????????????

x in the city

Aldi or Lidl are not even cheap anymore, no wonder they are opening more shops.:rolleyes:

Antrim_Man

dSTAR wrote: »

ALDI seem to be taking over the world. They are opening up stores left, right and centre here. I don't have a problem with it at all because the other major supermarket chains have been ripping off consumers for years.

Some of blatant rip offs and gross profiteering that the chains have been engaging in are:

• The fuel docket scam which saves you 4 cents a litre on petrol but which is passed on to food prices in store.
• Selling products for the same price even though the manufacturer have sneakily kept the packaging the same size but reduced the weight.
• Deliberately attempting to delay the introduction of 'unit pricing' which consumers have demanded and which ALDI have exploited.

• Promoting high turnover/high profit junk food and soft drinks to lure consumers away from their local stores.

• Their irresponsible price wars and use of loss leaders which is inevitably passed onto to the consumer.

Having said that the range of products in ALDI is a very limited and invariably I have to got back to said supermarkets to get what I need.

They closed and have no stores in Northern Ireland

Antrim_Man

the groutch wrote: »

35 stores?

buying out dunnes????????????????????????????????????????????????

ASDA are a shoe in for Dunnes.

dSTAR

Is Lidl English or German?

MOH

Shelflife wrote: »

i never said that there wasnt irish product in the stores , but if you look closely you will find that most of the irish products are from the north.

im not saying that they are not well run because they clearly are, what im saying is that we will pay for the cheap prices in the long run with lower employment in the actual sector and in the suppliers sector.

Shelflife wrote: »

twonk you make some very valid points there, in my own experience there is a n aldi, lidl , and tesco in the town and many of the smaller shops didnt take on any summer staff ./ or not as many as their trade was down, i know that they are not competeting like with like but they are a drain on the local shops.

Not taking on a few temporary summer staff is hardly the doomsday scenario for the shop staff and suppliers' staff you were claiming in the first post.

dSTAR wrote: »

Is Lidl English or German?

German

Shelflife

Damo9090 you only have to look at the uk and see the damage done there to the smaller towns and the smaller shops by Tesco in particular, there are some towns with no petrol stations and some with no shops of consequence because they have being forced out by predatory pricing, not just grocery shops but also book shops music shops and white goods shops.
check out the tescopoly site for details of how much damage they do to towns and suppliers.

where did this 40% irish suppliers figure come from??

the doomsday senario i preach is merely an exaggerated example of what is happening in order to highlight whats going on.

what im really saying is that they are not the savours of our economy and we need to be aware of that.

bmaxi

How many suppliers to the retail market are Irish based. Think about it, Unilever, Proctor & Gamble, Reckitt & Coleman etc. etc. etc. I don't think we have to look to Aldi, or any other retail outlet, when it comes to foreign companies repatriating profits or sourcing product outside of ROI. We don't have the manufacturing capability to supply the market at the prices we want to pay, never did have and never will have. While I would like it to be different, I don't see much difference between supporting the German economy and supporting China, U.S., U.K.

ejmaztec

Strange that no-one seems to complain about the Musgrave family spending some of it's Irish-built nest-egg on foreign acquisitions. I wonder how many Irish consumers have paid for that ex-patriation of funds.

All of the retailers, surprisingly enough, are out to make money. They are all pretending that they are an integral part of the communities in which they do business. If it weren't for the competition that there is now, we'd all be paying double to these home-grown privately owned retail empires.

I say let them cut each other's throats.

snubbleste

I borrowed this from another forum:

Once a big retailer moves in, the pressure exerted on the small independent retailers is often too much, closing them down. This is really bad as we are replacing management positions with shelf packing positions. The money is also flowing straight out of the country.
From a business viewpoint, I would prefer hundreds of small independent retailers than a few large foreign ones.

As a real example of what occurs in this scenario in Caherciveen Lidl opened sometime back and the local Spar closed a few weeks back. But the rub is that your average Lidl employs 15-20 but the Spar in Caherciveen laid off 35 full and part-time staff, a net jobs loss to the area. So Aldi saying they are creating 650 jobs will actually mean net job losses in many areas.

busman

rubadub wrote: »

Is there a list of places the shops are opening?

Don't know a list of new stores but found a list from the company that does the floors for Aldi, some are stores that are already open, but I see that Mallow is on the list which doesn't have one yet, so I guess that there might be some more that are not already open.

Hope that your town is on it! We do most of our shopping in the mallow Lidl but the nearest Aldi is in Cork.

http://www.skanfloor.com/referencesireland.htm

Cabaal

the groutch wrote: »

35 stores?

buying out dunnes????????????????????????????????????????????????

nope, physically building new stores

murphaph

Shelflife wrote: »

they [tesco] lower prices to put smaller shops out of business and then put the prices up when they have effectively a monoploy in the area and yet the irish plannes are happy to let them build away merrily.

Well, Lidl and Aldi have a universal pricing system so all stores in all areas charge the same for each product. Tesco have variable pricing so express stores can and are more expensive. Lidl recently opened its first 'express' type store in North London and they charge the same are standard stores there and have commited to this policy.

inforfun

snubbleste wrote: »

Which Lidl sells 2l of milk for €1.20?

I buy the 1ltr packs of milk (the ones that stay good for months) for about 60c per liter in Lidl. and 2x 60 cents = 1,20.

Ok, you can say that i compare fresh milk to the long lasting one. Well.. i like them both and do not prefer one above the other. Slight preference for the long lasting one as i can buy them in bulk and always have milk at home.

10-10-20

Hell on earth.
Lidl / Aldi food is tasteless, mass produced, copy-cat rubbish.
Do they even take credit cards?

Where and how are the purchasing 40% Irish food? That again has to be rubbish! Anyhow, it doesn't change the fact that you get better quality elsewhere.

MOH

10-10-20 wrote: »

Hell on earth.
Lidl / Aldi food is tasteless, mass produced, copy-cat rubbish.

Aside from the fact that that hardly constitutes hell on earth, lots of the stuff I've tried from Lidl is much nicer than the Tesco/Supervalu equivalent.

Victor_M

10-10-20 wrote: »

Hell on earth.
Lidl / Aldi food is tasteless, mass produced, copy-cat rubbish.
Do they even take credit cards?

Where and how are the purchasing 40% Irish food? That again has to be rubbish! Anyhow, it doesn't change the fact that you get better quality elsewhere.

Spoken like a man who has never shopped in either of the stores.

Go buy yourself some of the cheeses in Lidl and Aldi (Camembert, Brie, Mozzarella, Parmigiana) try them on the Lidl or Aldi Water crackers, compare the equivalent prices to tescos or Dunnes and come back and tell us which you prefer and which cost more.

Cheese is just one of many examples off the top of my head, Orange Juice, Chocolate, muesli, bread, rashers, eggs, milk, chorizo, pasta, not to mention the fantastic fresh fruit they both offer.

10-10-20

I have! I avoid it since!

I got sliced bread, butter, ham, cheese, own-brand coffee and tarts.

The bread, butter, ham and cheese were bland & tasteless.
The coffee tasted like toffee and never saw a coffee bean.
The tarts were crud.

Overall, a poor experience.
I was in there since. I bought proper branded beer and sandpaper. That's as good as it gets. (and they didn't take credit cards!)

Victor_M

10-10-20 wrote: »

I have! I avoid it since!

I got sliced bread, butter, ham, cheese, own-brand coffee and tarts.

The bread, butter, ham and cheese were bland & tasteless.
The coffee tasted like toffee and never saw a coffee bean.
The tarts were crud.

Overall, a poor experience.
I was in there since. I bought proper branded beer and sandpaper. That's as good as it gets. (and they didn't take credit cards!)

Well the Aldi/Lidl Deli ham has a lower water content then the Deli ham from Denny or the likes and tastes as good (if you bought the cheapest of the Cheap stuff in Aldi or Lidl you need to compare it to the cheapest of the cheat Tesco or Dunnes have to offer, not just the regular stuff)

I agree with you on the Coffee, but any instant coffee is poxy, as is all preground espresso coffee not just their stuff.

As for the Cheese, I don't know which you tried but it was none of the ones I mentioned earlier, as with the ham if you bought the cheapest processed cheese they sell compare it to the Cheapest Tesco stuff.

There is plenty of Crap in Lidl and Aldi (just as there is in every shop) but the is absolutely no doubt that there is better value to be had in the German stores (And by better value I don't mean just cheaper, I mean getting more of the same or better quality for the same price as Tesco or Dunnes)

Cabaal

10-10-20 wrote: »

Where and how are the purchasing 40% Irish food? That again has to be rubbish!

Care to provide any solid evidence to backup your rant that its rubbish?
I can tell you for a fact that the items I know of are also sold to many other supermarkets in Ireland and I can say with 99.9% certainty you have most likely bought them too...or at the very least eaten them

Cabaal

Perfect example of better value
Weetabix Mini's Cocolate cerial, 1.50e in Lidl, atleast 3.00e in Tesco, Dunnes, Supervalue etc

And no its not some limited time offer unless they happen to keep replacing stock for weeks and months on end

Victor_M

Best value of the lot though has to be the Lidl/Aldi cleaning products, dishwasher tablets, window cleaner, bleach, polish, fabric softeners, jax cleaners, bog roll, bin bags, fire logs, kitchen roll etc.

The Lidl W5 brand which is a huge brand in Germany is brilliant for a fraction of the cost of the brands we are more familiar with.