FPS Games: Keyboard & Mouse V's Console Controller

NOGMaxpower

Hi all,

I love me FPS games and I've never enjoyed playing FPS games on consoles.

Recently I've been told Console/controllers are a far better gaming experience that requires more skill than a Keyboard & Mouse.

I find this to be an extremely hard pill to swallow after soo many years playing FPS games on my PC.

What do you think? Should I ditch my Keyboard and Mouse in exchange for a PS3 or XBOX controller?

What is your preference?

Holsten

HAHAHAHA!

Jesus... there is no contest!

Keyboard/Mouse 4tw!

jim o doom

I am a bit geeksville - have the PS3, the 360 & a decent PC. I reckon using a controller definitely requires more skill (in FPS games it is something I have GREAT difficulty with, despite constant usage) - but something requiring more skill does not make it a better alternative in my book. With good FPS games - if they are out simultaneously on PC & console, I will tend to buy FPS games for PC as I am considerably more accurate with a mouse - sure doesn't the mouse accurately mimic your hand movements as opposed to trying to mimic hand movement with some itty little joystick? Also the keyboard gives you access to a considerably larger amount of keys, for movement, weapon selection, alterntive fire modes - the works in other words. Unfortunately - as it is with games at the moment, I am generally forced to buy most FPS games on console & try to live with their frustrating control systems. If only consoles had a mouse and keyboard option I would be laughing.

free games

definitely keyboard+mouse

Frisbee

They have FPS that you don't use a keyboard/mouse for now?!

NOGMaxpower

jim o doom wrote: »

I am a bit geeksville - have the PS3, the 360 & a decent PC. I reckon using a controller definitely requires more skill (in FPS games it is something I have GREAT difficulty with, despite constant usage) - but something requiring more skill does not make it a better alternative in my book. With good FPS games - if they are out simultaneously on PC & console, I will tend to buy FPS games for PC as I am considerably more accurate with a mouse - sure doesn't the mouse accurately mimic your hand movements as opposed to trying to mimic hand movement with some itty little joystick? Also the keyboard gives you access to a considerably larger amount of keys, for movement, weapon selection, alterntive fire modes - the works in other words. Unfortunately - as it is with games at the moment, I am generally forced to buy most FPS games on console & try to live with their frustrating control systems. If only consoles had a mouse and keyboard option I would be laughing.

My thoughts exactly = why i prefer Mouse/Keyboard. there's more accuracy and response times are much quicker with a mouse compared to a toggle imo.

thx keep it going.

L'prof

I never got into PC gaming and I never will as , in the long run, it's far more expensive and I just never liked using a keyboard and mouse for playing games on! Whether I'm in the minority or not, it has to be console controller for me!

neil_hosey

the argument here is which one is harder to use ye? not which one requires more skill ye?

them little ball rotaty things on joypads do my fookin head in.

Its a lot harder to use console pads. but keyboards and mouse are way better.

If you put a team (playing the same amount of time) of cod4 players on console vs. a team on PC. The PC lads would knock 7 colours of **** outa them without a doubt.

Frank Rizzo

My dick itches when i pee :eek:

L31mr0d

NOGMaxpower wrote: »

thx keep it going.

It's kind of a moot point at this stage. Console gamers have never said the controller is better than a keyboard and a mouse.

Much like most gamers would not say a controller is better than a steering wheel for driving games.

The controller is the jack of all trades, its good at handling every type of game, but there will always be some other device that is more specialized for specific genres of gaming.

For instance the keyboard is good for FPS's, but it is greatly inferior to the controller for genres like racing and platformers.

I've played FPS's on the console, and they weren't as bad as I thought they would be. They'll never offer the accuracy of a keyboard and mouse but then the games are usually designed to accommodate for this.

thelordofcheese

NOGMaxpower wrote: »

Recently I've been told Console/controllers are a far better gaming experience that requires more skill than a Keyboard & Mouse.

Of course it does, not only do you have to fight against the AI grunts but you've also got to fight against a terrible control method.

silvine

If COD4 players on the PC could fight their counterparts on Live, the PC players would win more often than not even if they were ****. And for one reason. FPS games are easier with a mouse and keyboard. You can turn around a lot quicker for example.

The 360 controller is great for FPS games all the same (just not as accurate as a mouse). It is awful for RTS games though. I've yet to play an RTS with it and find the experience enjoyable.

NOGMaxpower

L31mr0d wrote: »

It's kind of a moot point at this stage. Console gamers have never said the controller is better than a keyboard and a mouse.

Much like most gamers would not say a controller is better than a steering wheel for driving games.

The controller is the jack of all trades, its good at handling every type of game, but there will always be some other device that is more specialized for specific genres of gaming.

For instance the keyboard is good for FPS's, but it is greatly inferior to the controller for genres like racing and platformers.

I've played FPS's on the console, and they weren't as bad as I thought they would be. They'll never offer the accuracy of a keyboard and mouse but then the games are usually designed to accommodate for this.

This is my argument with the Console Gamer who swares blind that a Console Toggle is far superior to the keyboard and mouse. That includes the skill required to use one and the game experience ie response times, aim and buzz.

I love gaming I've played PC's and Consoles all my life... i see PC gaming mainly for RTS or FPS games. While consoles win hands down for sport/driving games like need for speed or FIFA/Pro Evo.

Im just an avid lover of FPS games and can't stomach the idea that my friend is right. So we agreed to put it to a boards.ie poll for resolution.

Cheers
Max

Otacon

This thread is going to be pretty one-sided. No matter what rabid fanboi you dig up, from any console-specific background, they all have to concede that K&M is superior to a controller.

With the introduction of analog sticks, the gap has narrowed but not close enough for it to be competitive.

BTW Unreal Tournament III on the PS3 has K&M support and while it has had to be adjusted to make sure that the advantage it has over the controller is not as large, it still provides more accuracy and speed than the controller.

I just hope more games include this feature.

NOGMaxpower

Frank Rizzo wrote: »

My dick itches when i pee :eek:

You need to get that looked at Rizzo Must've been from the last NOG weekend away when you were with that dirty fella Glowingbulb! "Ohh Yes!"

Vegeta

I prefer a controller for comfort and moving the character about

No doubt a mouse is more accurate and faster for aiming. Not very realistic mind but if we judge "better" in the ability to kill the opposing team more quickly. It is way ahead

Overall I prefer a controller for FPS games mainly due to comfort. Just because I prefer it does not make it better and I would not imply that.

Retr0gamer

There's always a small amount of auto aim in console FPS games because the the method just cannot compete with the accuracy and speed of a keyboard and mouse combo.

silvine

***smells Bias***

I reckon keyboard and mouse will win the poll mainly because you can't post on boards with a controller.

L31mr0d

NOGMaxpower wrote: »

This is my argument with the Console Gamer who swares blind that a Console Toggle is far superior to the keyboard and mouse. That includes the skill required to use one and the game experience ie response times, aim and buzz.

If we are talking generally then I'd say the controller, in its current incarnation, is better than the keyboard and mouse. Purely because it is more versatile and fits better with a wider range of gaming genres.

But for FPS, where immersion pretty much hinges on being able to make your characters eyes look where your eyes want to look you can't beat the mouse. The mouse allows for near perfect hand/eye coordination. I've never felt this with a controller as where I end up getting my character to look on screen is usually just an approximation of where I actually wanted him to look.

Otacon

silvine wrote: »

***smells Bias***

I reckon keyboard and mouse will win the poll mainly because you can't post on boards with a controller.

Yes you can... but very slowly.

Vegeta

Otacon wrote: »

Yes you can... but very slowly.

How slow would that be

NOGMaxpower

duno about the bias its an interesting thread and there are lot more console lovers out there lately.

time will tell

NOGMaxpower

Vegeta wrote: »

How slow would that be

ahahha deadly :pac:

Frank Rizzo

i think you need to re write the poll...

Which do you prefer to use

Console Pad
Mouse Keyboard
Cock Puncher

Coz i use both.. each has its own advantages/disadvantages..

TPD

Would be nice if there was a peripheral for pc with a few buttons and an alalog stick to use with the left hand, with a mouse in the right hand.

NOGMaxpower

Frank Rizzo wrote: »

i think you need to re write the poll...

Which do you prefer to use

Console Pad
Mouse Keyboard
Cock Puncher

Coz i use both.. each has its own advantages/disadvantages..

you use a C*ck puncher and a console pad? That doesn't sound like fun?

L31mr0d

TPD wrote: »

Would be nice if there was a peripheral for pc with a few buttons and an alalog stick to use with the left hand, with a mouse in the right hand.

Get onto Ben Heck, I'm sure he'd make one for ya

death1234567

Frank Rizzo wrote: »

i think you need to re write the poll...

Frank Rizzo, from the Jerky Boyz? Jesus that takes me me back.

Oh Keyboard + mouse is the only way to play FPS.

L31mr0d

Frank Rizzo wrote: »

Cock Puncher

lol... reminded me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9EgjFUggBQ

NOGMaxpower

L31mr0d wrote: »

lol... reminded me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9EgjFUggBQ

thats the one and only

Creamy Goodness

silvine wrote: »

***smells Bias***

I reckon keyboard and mouse will win the poll mainly because you can't post on boards with a controller.

or maybe because it's a far superior method of control?

or would that be too logical?

L31mr0d

TPD wrote: »

Would be nice if there was a peripheral for pc with a few buttons and an alalog stick to use with the left hand, with a mouse in the right hand.

http://www.n52te.com/

Frank Rizzo

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

or maybe because it's a far superior method of control?

or would that be too logical?

wow .. since u joined boards, u average 64 posts a week...;)
hmmmm....

Gummy Panda

L31mr0d wrote: »

http://www.n52te.com/

n52te is a piece of crap

/looks over at his n52te in disgust

ProjectColossus

"Takes more skill to play with a controller"

Riiiight. I might argue that it takes more skill to change a lightbulb with your feet than your hands, but why the hell would I?

Playing FPS with a controller may be more difficult, but to suggest it takes more skill and is something to be proud of, is pretty silly IMO.

Somehow play the best k&m player against the best controller user, and the controller player will lose.

Krieg

Fairly simple answer tbh

After my transition to PC after consoles, I remember re-playing hitman 2 on the PS2 and I looked at the controller thinking "Wtf is this s***.."
I simply can't play a console FPS anymore, mouse and keyboard ftw etc.

I wouldn't really say a console controller requires more skill. I mean, take any game thats on both PC & generic console, its not going to be harder/easier on a console because they have made adjustments. In the console game, the enemy will have far less accuracy and you will have improved accuracy compared to the pc port. I also believe the gameplay is much slower in console fps's, which kinda ruins it for me

Edit:

L31mr0d wrote: »

http://www.n52te.com/

A mate of mine gave that a go for a week and said it was fairly crap and went back to the standard keyboard, I imagine it requires a fair amount of getting used to before being superior to the bog standard keyboard, just FYI

Calhoun

NOGMaxpower wrote: »

Hi all,

I love me FPS games and I've never enjoyed playing FPS games on consoles.

Recently I've been told Console/controllers are a far better gaming experience that requires more skill than a Keyboard & Mouse.

I find this to be an extremely hard pill to swallow after soo many years playing FPS games on my PC.

What do you think? Should I ditch my Keyboard and Mouse in exchange for a PS3 or XBOX controller?

What is your preference?

Personally for me It has to be the mouse and keyboard, the hand eye co-ordination with them as a tool is so much better and more accurate as you can tweak it to your liking.

I find console controllers to be clunky and hard to use at time and you just dont get the control of the mouse and keyboard. Although i do have to give microsoft props on their controller design, as i think the xbox control setup is probably closest i have seen a console get you control of mouse and keyboard.

I would say the reason you are being told that consoles are better is due to online console play becoming more and more mainstream, so there is a wider audience of casual gamers who would just buy a console rather than a PC.

L31mr0d

Gummy Panda wrote: »

n52te is a piece of crap

/looks over at his n52te in disgust

Oh I know. I would never of bought it. Pretty much anything made by Belkin is going to be rubbish. They tend to always prioritize form over function. I was just saying that there are people out there throwing out numerous different setups to try and replace the keyboard.

Some of them I might of actually tried if it wasn't for the fact that I'm left handed and no gaming m/k producers cater to me

Gummy Panda

L31mr0d wrote: »

Oh I know. I would never of bought it. Pretty much anything made by Belkin is going to be rubbish. They tend to always prioritize form over function. I was just saying that there are people out there throwing out numerous different setups to try and replace the keyboard.

Some of them I might of actually tried if it wasn't for the fact that I'm left handed and no gaming m/k producers cater to me

I was talking about the te edition.

N52te is belkin and razer. Its there pro gamer version but is terrible compared to the original. The original had better build and software.

N52te and the barracuda headset have turned me against razer products.

Keyboard + mouse is the best.

Can't beat a good keyboard like G15 and a decent mouse (G9 or razer).

ShadowHearth

well keyboard+mouse all the way...

I bought Cod4 for ps3, and i did enyoed for a long time, but then i got a decent pc and got cod4 on pc...

And oh my god how better it is. you can make alot difficult moves, bigger accuracy.

thought i did loved to play cod4 on 40 inch TV .

Will need to get myslef a second set of keyboard/mouse which would be wireless. so i could hook mine pc to TV and play games on 40 inch .

Maximilian

Driving a car while sitting in the back seat with rope attached to the steering wheel and big stick for the pedals, requires more skill than being in the driver's seat. It's a sh!tty way to drive though.

I would never buy a FPS or a RTS on a console.

NOGMaxpower

Maximilian wrote: »

Driving a car while sitting in the back seat with rope attached to the steering wheel and big stick for the pedals, requires more skill than being in the driver's seat. It's a sh!tty way to drive though.

I would never buy a FPS or a RTS on a console.

Brilliant lol chuckle chortle

NOGMaxpower

Darkener wrote: »

Personally for me It has to be the mouse and keyboard, the hand eye co-ordination with them as a tool is so much better and more accurate as you can tweak it to your liking.

I find console controllers to be clunky and hard to use at time and you just dont get the control of the mouse and keyboard. Although i do have to give microsoft props on their controller design, as i think the xbox control setup is probably closest i have seen a console get you control of mouse and keyboard.

I would say the reason you are being told that consoles are better is due to online console play becoming more and more mainstream, so there is a wider audience of casual gamers who would just buy a console rather than a PC.

You could be right there buddy but the bottom line is my mate clearly said console controller is better hands down and requires more skill. all of my arguments for hand eye response times, accuracy etc were all muted with a "LOL".

We went back on forth and decided the only fair way to resolve the issue (his suggestion) was to put it to a poll on boards. Which is starting to look a bit one sided

Gummy Panda

NOGMaxpower wrote: »

You could be right there buddy but the bottom line is my mate clearly said console controller is better hands down and requires more skill. all of my arguments for hand eye response times, accuracy etc were all muted with a "LOL".

only one way to solve it.

Tell your mate he's a noob!

Calhoun

NOGMaxpower wrote: »

You could be right there buddy but the bottom line is my mate clearly said console controller is better hands down and requires more skill. all of my arguments for hand eye response times, accuracy etc were all muted with a "LOL".

We went back on forth and decided the only fair way to resolve the issue (his suggestion) was to put it to a poll on boards. Which is starting to look a bit one sided

I still remember the old quake 2 days trying to play online, getting used to the control system, 400 ping , WASD and inverted look. It wasnt something that came easy, i had to take allot of time to get used to the setup and eventually found a style of play i was comfortable with. This is no different for controller setup, you need to use it allot to be any good at it.

In essense both take some skill and getting used to, the big difference and advantage a console user has is standardisation. You use one controller you can nearly use them all, most people can pick up a control pad and be playing pretty well in a short time. I dont think that is the same if you have just started pc gaming.

Single Malt

I am an avid console player, for all games bar CivIV. My pc aint good enough to play modern games on, and I prefer to use a controller. However, the mouse and keyboard are clearly superior to a controller for FPS games. There is no contest there. Still I prefer a controller as its more comfy to use. WASD hurts my hand, and I like analogue movement control. One thing I have noticed is that console players move better in multiplayer games, because they have a slower reaction time, which requires better positioning. Still a mouse and keyboard are miles ahead due to the accuracy of the mouse.

Also, to whoever said that all console games have auto aim. Thats horse crap that can only come from an elitist pc player. Most games have an auto aim option (CoD4 was the exception by forcing a multiplayer auto aim, and that pissed me off hugely). Correct me if I'm wrong, but autoaim is an option in a lot of pc titles too.

NOGMaxpower

Single Malt wrote: »

I am an avid console player, for all games bar CivIV. My pc aint good enough to play modern games on, and I prefer to use a controller. However, the mouse and keyboard are clearly superior to a controller for FPS games. There is no contest there. Still I prefer a controller as its more comfy to use. WASD hurts my hand, and I like analogue movement control. One thing I have noticed is that console players move better in multiplayer games, because they have a slower reaction time, which requires better positioning. Still a mouse and keyboard are miles ahead due to the accuracy of the mouse.

Also, to whoever said that all console games have auto aim. Thats horse crap that can only come from an elitist pc player. Most games have an auto aim option (CoD4 was the exception by forcing a multiplayer auto aim, and that pissed me off hugely). Correct me if I'm wrong, but autoaim is an option in a lot of pc titles too.

Auto aim was in the daddy of FPS Half Life and later CS or CSS. Its there in the options

neil_hosey

Single Malt wrote: »

WASD hurts my hand, and I like analogue movement control.

Boo ****in Hoo!

ShadowHearth

Maximilian wrote: »

Driving a car while sitting in the back seat with rope attached to the steering wheel and big stick for the pedals, requires more skill than being in the driver's seat. It's a sh!tty way to drive though.

I would never buy a FPS or a RTS on a console.

briliant

DarkJager

Once Games for Windows really gets going cross platform, I'll happily settle this arguement for any PC gamer I'd take a joypad any day over KB & Mouse (and yes I have used the both of them frequently).

Cunny-Funt

Next someone will make a thread called "Is the world flat, yes or no"

Of course M&kb is better for fps...