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Born again christians

  • 11-11-2008 12:53am
    #1
    rotinaj
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    Can anyone tell me what they belive in? Is it the same as being a regular christian?


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  • #2
    Húrin
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    They are Christians who emphasise that Jesus spoke of (and explained) being born again, and baptised with not only water but with the holy spirit.


  • #3
    rotinaj
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    Are they anti catholic? I ask because I work with one of them and another person asked him for a lift to work tomorrow. He agreed to bring him but when the other person suggested they meet outside the chruch, he said he will not go so close to a catholic chruch. Is this usual behavior?


  • #4
    Húrin
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    d3mon24 wrote: »
    Are they anti catholic? I ask because I work with one of them and another person asked him for a lift to work tomorrow. He agreed to bring him but when the other person suggested they meet outside the chruch, he said he will not go so close to a catholic chruch. Is this usual behavior?

    That's unusual, and I would treat it as a fundamentalist alert!


  • #5
    rotinaj
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    Húrin wrote: »
    That's unusual, and I would treat it as a fundamentalist alert!

    Whats strange is a co worker died last year and he went on the pulpit and gave a speech about him. Thanks for the info.


  • #6
    kelly1
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    Húrin wrote: »
    They are Christians who emphasise that Jesus spoke of (and explained) being born again, and baptised with not only water but with the holy spirit.
    Hey, guess what, all Christians who are baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit are baptized with the Holy Spirit. The water is only symbolic, it's the Holy Spirit who cleanses the person's soul and make them adopted children of God.


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  • #7
    CerebralCortex
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    kelly1 wrote: »
    Hey, guess what, all Christians who are baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit are baptized with the Holy Spirit. The water is only symbolic, it's the Holy Spirit who cleanses the person's soul and make them adopted children of God.

    What does that mean?


  • #8
    kelly1
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    CerebralCortex wrote: »
    What does that mean?
    I don't know if this is the best explanation, but my understanding is this.

    Jesus is the true Son of God and by becoming part of the Mystical Body of Christ through baptism, we become "brothers/sisters" of Jesus and therefore adopted children of God. We become co-heirs with Jesus to God the Father's estate. We inherit what Jesus inherits which is every basically everything that the Father has.

    Not a great explanation but the best I can do.


  • #9
    wolfsbane
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    d3mon24 wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me what they belive in? Is it the same as being a regular christian?
    There are born-again Christians and those who say they are.

    All true Christians are born-again:
    John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

    Born again means that they are not only born of the flesh like everyone else, they are also born of the Spirit of God. God the Holy Spirit has regenerated their spirits. They were dead to God, spiritually speaking. Now they are alive to God, they know and love Him because God has changed their hearts.

    Most people who call themselves Christian do not know and love Him, so are evidently not born again. They have some degree of religion, but usually it is based on them doing enough good works that God will accept them. Real Christianity is based on Christ having done all to justifiy His people, and their good works follow as an expression of their new nature that loves God and His way.

    Many who claim to be born again are no different from the general religionist.


  • #10
    wolfsbane
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    d3mon24 wrote: »
    Are they anti catholic? I ask because I work with one of them and another person asked him for a lift to work tomorrow. He agreed to bring him but when the other person suggested they meet outside the chruch, he said he will not go so close to a catholic chruch. Is this usual behavior?
    Very unusual for most of us. Buildings are nothing, one way or the other.

    But perhaps this man had a particulary bad experience in the RCC and have some emotional revulsion to any reminder of it?

    As regards the RCC itself, the Evangelical (another name for born again Christians) has historically rejected it as apostate, while agreeing that some in it are true Christians.

    Indeed, in the last century a group of Catholics began to identify themselves as Evangelical Catholics. Their real status is still a bit of a mystery to me, as I have failed to get straight answers from those of them I asked about their beliefs. Seemed to me they were trying to have a leg in both theological camps, implying a lack of honesty toward the RCC or ourselves.


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    Húrin
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    kelly1 wrote: »
    Hey, guess what, all Christians who are baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit are baptized with the Holy Spirit. The water is only symbolic, it's the Holy Spirit who cleanses the person's soul and make them adopted children of God.
    I agree, but I meant that these people's emphasis on it is why they call themselves born again.


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  • #12
    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    d3mon24 wrote: »
    Are they anti catholic? I ask because I work with one of them and another person asked him for a lift to work tomorrow. He agreed to bring him but when the other person suggested they meet outside the chruch, he said he will not go so close to a catholic chruch. Is this usual behavior?

    From what I can tell they are. My friend became one toward the end of school and she's extremely anti-Catholic. Like a lightly less extreme Orange Order member. With most I've met I find they get most of their happiness from attacking atheists/other religions, they go on as if they're part of a cool club with a free pass into Heaven. Though there are some exceptions.


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    Fanny Cradock
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    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    From what I can tell they are. My friend became one toward the end of school and she's extremely anti-Catholic. Like a lightly less extreme Orange Order member. With most I've met I find they get most of their happiness from attacking atheists/other religions, they go on as if they're part of a cool club with a free pass into Heaven. Though there are some exceptions.


    Like a less extreme Orange Order member! Where do you get this crap from? Your posts suggests that you haven't met many born again Christians and are speaking from ignorance.

    It's funny. On one hand, Christians (maybe validly) get criticised for not being critical enough of fellow believers doing wrong. On the other hand, we are never happier than when we are criticising fellow believers.


  • #14
    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    Fanny Cradock wrote: »
    Like a less extreme Orange Order member! Where do you get this crap from? Your posts suggests that you haven't met many born again Christians and are speaking from ignorance.

    It's funny. On one hand, Christians (maybe validly) get criticised for not being critical enough of fellow believers doing wrong. On the other hand, we are never happier than when we are criticising fellow believers.

    That was a reference to my friend and her view of the Catholic Church, not Born Again Christians in general, that would be absurd. That's why I started the next sentence "with most I've met"

    Her view of the RCC really can be described in that way. Attacks it constantly and inaccurately, the only difference is she might venture in for a mates wedding/funeral/baptism.

    One of my old friends is a Born Again Christian and she's lovely, I think the church just attracts a lot of the wrong kind of people. Members stand outside nightclubs and hand out this kind of nonsense

    Are RCs really Christians?

    Fake description of evolution teaching

    I have actually been handed these, if you're a BAC I'm sure you'll agree the chuch attracts a lot of "woohoo free ticket to heaven I'm holier than you" types. Moreso the younger ones of course.


  • #15
    Nodin
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    d3mon24 wrote: »
    Are they anti catholic? I ask because I work with one of them and another person asked him for a lift to work tomorrow. He agreed to bring him but when the other person suggested they meet outside the chruch, he said he will not go so close to a catholic chruch. Is this usual behavior?

    Theres many different types, so its impossible to say whats "usual" and what isn't. Certainly I've met people in some northern counties that were described as "born agains" and there was none of that nonsense, yet I've come across some down here that act in an almost cultish way. Ye'd be best advised to judge on their actions.

    And find out the name of the Church, while you're at it.


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