Ryanair Emergency Landing in Rome

Danbo!

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A Ryanair jet carrying 166 passengers to Frankfurt has landed safely in Rome after being forced to make an emergency landing.

The Boeing 737 grounded just before 7am (GMT) at Ciampino airport, Italy's civil aviation agency ENAC said.

No injuries have been reported.

Airport fire official Marco Ghimenti said the jet had reported an engine problem.

Ghimenti told local TV that passengers left the plane via a door and an emergency chute.

He said that the landing gear appeared to give way when the jet landed at the far end of a runway.

The airport has been temporarily closed.

Deacon Blues

Looks like the left main gear has collapsed. Stand by for the usual flurry of "I told you so" and "cost savings on maintenance" posts.

I suppose that urging caution and awaiting some firm evidence of what the problem was and how the incident was handled before offering opinions on the company and crew are futile ??

peter1892

Bird strikes according to RTE:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1110/ryanair.html

Any landing you can walk away from is a good one...

Danbo!

Deacon Blues wrote: »

I suppose that urging caution and awaiting some firm evidence of what the problem was and how the incident was handled before offering opinions on the company and crew are futile ??

Unfortunately we'll get plenty of people who had a flight delayed with ryanair at some stage in the past here with the pitch forks soon enough.

Three passengers and two crew members have been taken to a local hospital as precaution, complaining of minor injuries.....

......the left-hand main landing gear suffered substantial damage on landing

For a gear to collapse on landing (assuming they werent expecting a problem) and for only 5 people to be hospitalised with minor injuries, and only as a precaution, is impressive.

Tabnabs

Notice the blood on the nose and the gear looks like it has punched up through the wing.

http://www.dagbladet.no/dinside/2008/11/10/553462.html

mikedragon32

I've often wondered what happens in a situation like this? Is the plane repairable?

I recall seeing Air Crash Investigation (or maybe it was Seconds From Disaster?) a while back where an Air Canada plane landed on a disused runway that had an armco barrier right down the middle of it for drag racing. Did they mention that that plane was in service still?

Danbo!

Dyflin wrote: »

Notice the blood on the nose and the gear looks like it has punched up through the wing.

http://www.dagbladet.no/dinside/2008/11/10/553462.html

And blood on the leading edge of the wing too..

Danbo!

mikedragon32 wrote: »

I've often wondered what happens in a situation like this? Is the plane repairable?

I recall seeing Air Crash Investigation (or maybe it was Seconds From Disaster?) a while back where an Air Canada plane landed on a disused runway that had an armco barrier right down the middle of it for drag racing. Did they mention that that plane was in service still?

Yes, the nose gear collapsed in that incident and at the time of making the show, they said the plane was still in service and nicknamed 'the gimli glider'

Fratton Fred

so it hit a large flock of birds (at 40,000 feet?) causing it to loose an engine and then its landing gear collapsed on landing?

surely the two must be seperate incidents, or did the lower power cause the plane to hit the runway harder?

Maybe they hit Santa:D

Turbulent Bill

Can anyone explain what might have happened here? The Sky story said that the plane hit a flock of birds on landing, but this would probably only damage one engine - the landing should still have been pretty standard. I doubt a birdstrike would cause substantial damage to the landing gear (though I might be wrong), so the gear damage was probably caused by a hard landing.

Fratton Fred

Great minds.....:D

Gareth37

They can call it an emergency landing if they want but thats a crash landing.

Saying that birds caused the plane's engine to go fire :rolleyes:

Only a matter of time now, only a matter of time...............

Gareth37

Turbulent Bill wrote: »

The Sky story said that the plane hit a flock of birds on landing,

:rolleyes:

robinph

BBC News

BBC News wrote:

Passengers said an engine had begun to smoke as the plane was coming in to land and it then rapidly descended.

Was wondering why the landing gear was damaged from the landing, but if the flock of birds was hit just before touching down anyway and he suddenly lost power then that would account for a slightly "bouncier" landing than usual".

damo

Seems both engines were damaged by bird strikes. The crew initiated a go around but had to abort the go around due to insufficient thrust from the damaged engines, they pitched down and landed hard - no choice they would only have had seconds to do this or they would have totally overshot the runway....gear collapse seems to be a result of this.

Excellent job by the crew in extremely difficult circumstances.

Fratton Fred

damo wrote: »

Seems both engines were damaged by bird strikes. The crew initiated a go around but had to abort the go around due to insufficient thrust from the damaged engines, they pitched down and landed hard - no choice they would only have had seconds to do this or they would have totally overshot the runway....gear collapse seems to be a result of this.

Excellent job by the crew in extremely difficult circumstances.

why did they initiate a go around? did they hit the birds before they had decided to make an emergency landing or after? if before, do you get birds flying that high?

this sounds like a hitchcock movie:eek:

Cessna_Pilot

damo wrote: »

Excellent job by the crew in extremely difficult circumstances.

Damo you are absolutely spot on, terrific job by the flight crew for handling it the way they did.

*Kol*

mikedragon32 wrote: »

I've often wondered what happens in a situation like this? Is the plane repairable?

I recall seeing Air Crash Investigation (or maybe it was Seconds From Disaster?) a while back where an Air Canada plane landed on a disused runway that had an armco barrier right down the middle of it for drag racing. Did they mention that that plane was in service still?

That plane will definately be repaired. The cost of the repair will be nothing compared to the value of the aircraft. It will be an insurance claim anyway.

The Gimli glider only went out of service last year as far as I know. It was flow to the states to be parked in the desert. Check on youtube for the last takeoff from Canada to the states.

damo

Fratton Fred wrote: »

why did they initiate a go around? did they hit the birds before they had decided to make an emergency landing or after? if before, do you get birds flying that high?

this sounds like a hitchcock movie:eek:

Theres a lot of variables but often the best course of action with an engine surge on finals would be to take it back up into the air and carry out the appropriate drills etc.

They hit the birds on short finals according to reports, not at high altitude.

Gareth37

Fratton Fred wrote: »

why did they initiate a go around? did they hit the birds before they had decided to make an emergency landing or after? if before, do you get birds flying that high?

this sounds like a hitchcock movie:eek:

Bird strike my arse, I don't think most people are stupid enough to beleive that nonsense

Fratton Fred

damo wrote: »

Theres a lot of variables but often the best course of action with an engine surge on finals would be to take it back up into the air and carry out the appropriate drills etc.

They hit the birds on short finals according to reports, not at high altitude.

So it was coming into land and hit birds just before landing, they suffered variable thrust, tried to abort the landing, couldn't and slapped it down making the wheel go through the wing. (Or something like that anyway)

Bloody Ryanair

Danbo!

Gareth37 wrote: »

Bird strike my arse, I don't think most people are stupid enough to beleive that nonsense

Yeah, the pilots fell asleep on finals and dropped the plane onto the runway. Then, to cover up their mistake, smeared some fake blood on the wings and nose of the aircraft and called it a birdstrike. Just another day as a ryanair pilot :rolleyes:

Gareth37

noblestee wrote: »

Yeah, the pilots fell asleep on finals and dropped the plane onto the runway. Then, to cover up their mistake, smeared some fake blood on the wings and nose of the aircraft and called it a birdstrike. Just another day as a ryanair pilot :rolleyes:

Because the plane was hit by birds doesn't mean that this is the cause. Im sure thousands of planes every day have blood splattered over them.

Economic downturn + Greed = Less Servicing = More fatal crashes

peter1892

Bird strikes happen - a few years back a Ryanair 737-200 hit a flock of pigeons on rotation (or very shortly after) off Rwy 10 at Dublin, resulting in a landing back on Rwy 16.

Most airports would have some kind of bird scaring method in operation on their land, but in a case like this it's possible that a strike happened well outside the airport perimeter.

I take 'eye witness reports from terrified passengers' with a pinch of salt to be honest, better to wait and see what the official investigations tell us. Well done to the crew for getting it down in (pretty much) one piece.

bandit197

damo wrote: »

Seems both engines were damaged by bird strikes. The crew initiated a go around but had to abort the go around due to insufficient thrust from the damaged engines, they pitched down and landed hard - no choice they would only have had seconds to do this or they would have totally overshot the runway....gear collapse seems to be a result of this.

Excellent job by the crew in extremely difficult circumstances.

+1, well done I say.
Nasty repair bill tho.

oneweb

Fratton Fred wrote: »

So it was coming into land and hit birds just before landing, they suffered variable thrust, tried to abort the landing, couldn't and slapped it down making the wheel go through the wing. (Or something like that anyway)

Bloody Ryanair

Wonder if they played the fanfare for the on-time landing?

highlydebased

Apparently it will be an insurance write off.

The birdstrike was on finals, so technically there was no "emergency landing" -merely one where alot went wrong....

Fatton Fred- in some parts of the world birdstrikes have been reported as high as 36000 feet.

Gareth37- Please do not go posting rubbish about things you know nothing about. It was far from a textbook definition of a crash landing.

Ryanair does not skimp on maintenance either, there are other airlines of equal or larger size of Ryanair who have much more serious issues with aircraft on a worryingly regular basis

bushy...

Gareth37 wrote: »

Because the plane was hit by birds doesn't mean that this is the cause. Im sure thousands of planes every day have blood splattered over them.

Ah yeah and at night time they use them for ploughing the fields near the airport.

Gareth37 wrote: »

Economic downturn + Greed = Less Servicing = More fatal crashes

Forgot to use the extra large font to help convey the vast knowledge and understanding

Fratton Fred

Gareth37 wrote: »

Because the plane was hit by birds doesn't mean that this is the cause. Im sure thousands of planes every day have blood splattered over them.

Economic downturn + Greed = Less Servicing = More fatal crashes

I would say it is more like

Budget shorthaul airline = lots of planes making lots of take offs and landings = more chance of things not going according to plan.

i'm not sure how you would get blood on a plane other than from a bird strike, except for maybe the odd skydiver, flying pig etc

Run_to_da_hills

Neon-Circles wrote: »

Apparently it will be an insurance write off.

That would cost millions, I believe in a crash land situation like this all parts have to be destroyed so they can't be put back into circulation. Usually they hire a company to oversee all this. Parts re used from as crashed plane are taken just as serious as using bogus parts.

Foggy43

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

That would cost millions, I believe in a crash land situation like this all parts have to be destroyed so they can't be put back into circulation. Usually they hire a company to oversee all this. Parts re used from as crashed plane are taken just as serious as using bogus parts.

I am sure you mean parts damaged in a crash situation will be destroyed following the investigation.
The contents of Lower 41 will still be serviceable, the glass cockpit....all be worth a lot of money.

The pre-recorded announcements must be saved

macrubicon

From the pictures there I doubt it will be a write off - this particular plane is barely 6 months old. There is some damage to the nose and the leading edges, but the Engine / Cowling and the fact that the gear made it's way up through the wing will for sure make it an insurance job to repair.

Once repaired it will be tested and back on the line - just like a whole list of "damaged" aircraft before it - and just as safe as a new one.

The Replacement cost vs. new cost is too different.

Kudos to the crew - good job putting it on the ground.

highlydebased

If the landing gear had not effectivly "punched" a hole into the wing near its root, all would be in a better situation, but it cannot fly in its current state so having a wing replaced would be difficult.

Of course there is still millions of value in that aircraft- everything barre the left wing, some of the fuselage and possibly the left engine.

*Kol*

Both engines will be replaced (the RH one will go to the shop to be repaired, the LH one will be scrapped due to striking the ground), and the LH landing gear too. The repair of the LH wing will be a Boeing special team repair job for sure. Dont forget that the gear has punched a hole in a composite panel at the back of the wing. It hasnt actually gone through the wing upper skin. Also the trunnion pins that hold on the gear have more than likely shreared as designed to minimise the damage.

damo

Gareth37 wrote: »

Bird strike my arse, I don't think most people are stupid enough to beleive that nonsense

Gareth, youre out of youre depth here mate, take a back seat theres a good lad

Bird strikes are a very real and very dangerous hazard to aircraft.

Please tell me otherwise how Ryanairs neglecting on maintenance could cause two engines to surge at the same time on final approach? *gets popcorn*

macrubicon

Gareth37 wrote: »

Economic downturn + Greed = Less Servicing = More fatal crashes

I think Stellios of EasyJet put it best

If you think safety is expensive, try an accident

Regardless of the costcutting to get you on board I for one have no fear of getting onto RyanAir, EasyJet or the like. They know their business and they know what a crash will do to them if it's their fault for cutting corners.

asdasd

I tend to believe O'Leary when he says that low budget Airlines cannot skimp on safety precisely because of the "I told you sos" in the peanut gallerys.

mayotom

Gareth37 wrote: »

They can call it an emergency landing if they want but thats a crash landing.

Saying that birds caused the plane's engine to go fire :rolleyes:

Only a matter of time now, only a matter of time...............

Gareth37-- where have you gone, you were very vocal earlier, where has this anti Ryanair attitude:P come from? its unfounded, as several people have pointed out.

I fly on average 3 times per week for the past 3 years using many airlines, and I have to say ryanair has proven to be one of the most reliable for me.
I've had 4 emergency landings in 3 years never with ryanair.. one Flyglobespan, two Jet 2 and one air France. so its not unusual to have bird strikes...

It has to be said well done to the crew

FlutterinBantam

Indeed, we (well some of us)remember the Aer Lingus birdstrike on a B737-200 involving Gay Byrne on T/O out of Dublin a long time back.

Excellent work by all especially a get down by the flt crew following an initial go around decision.

Bird damage can be catastrophic,anyone who doesn't realise that doesn't really understand aviation.

Danbo!

Fratton Fred wrote: »

So it was coming into land and hit birds just before landing, they suffered variable thrust, tried to abort the landing, couldn't and slapped it down making the wheel go through the wing. (Or something like that anyway)

Bloody Ryanair

Just saw a passenger being interviewed on RTE, (not a dramatic world explorer thank god).

Fratton Fred's theory seems correct. The passenger said there was a lot of smoke coming from the engine, and the plane pitched upward, and dropped down heavily onto the runway.

seanyleary

Well done the crew, can not have been easy to land without one of the gear. Looks like it lost power to one or maybe the two engines and came down too hard and gear failed. The problem ryanair have now is i dont think there is a hanger there to fit a 737 there, looks like they might have to build a one.
I would think it would fly again.
I have seen bird strikes on aircraft before but never that bad, seems like an extreme case, which could be neglect on the airport's side!!!!!!
Anyway well done to the crew to again.

Turner

Another picture here from ryanair.com.

Alot of blood on the plane alright





And just for the record, what one bird can do to a passenger jet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KhZwsYtNDE

Danbo!

So....so...bored..... and far too much time on my hands

Unfortunately the smoke from engine fires wont appear on the replay, and flocks of birds arent available as scenery add ons....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u98YgvqCzE

diverdriver

SOP for an engine failure on final is a go around. In this case it seems the other engine lost power too and the Captain planted it on the runway breaking the main gear in the process. Have a look at the picture. They are the piano keys at the runway threshold. It was that close to overshooting. They barely made it.

Why go around? The aircraft is designed to climb on one engine. A double engine failure from a birdstrike is almost unprecedented. I've seen the results of a birdstrike, just one bird on an engine. It horrifying, compressor blades lying flat like tress after a storm and the smell!!!!!!!!

This accident is as close to being a disaster as you an get. A double engine failure on finals? Sound familiar?

That flight crew earned their entire career salary today.

Mr. Presentable

Chief--- wrote: »

Another picture here from ryanair.com.

Alot of blood on the plane alright

Ryanair give us a picture from the future and expect us to swallow it, eh?

Danbo!

diverdriver wrote: »

They are the piano keys at the runway threshold. It was that close to undershooting. They barely made it.

Time to re-shoot the vid so, didnt realise it landed so late

diverdriver wrote: »

That flight crew earned their entire career salary today.

+1

nipplenuts wrote: »

Ryanair give us a picture from the future and expect us to swallow it, eh?

happy halloween though

FOGOFUNK

Fair play to the crew, that must have been very frightening.

muppet01

Indeed, they got the plane down in one piece.Of course people will ****e on about low fare low maintenance etc etc but they did well.Starlings fly in very dense flocks and also fly fast and with constant direction changes.
Nice to see a bird give o'leary a bloody nose though............;)

jackofalltrades

diverdriver wrote:

Have a look at the picture. They are the piano keys at the runway threshold. It was that close to undershooting. They barely made it.

The threshold marking are in the foreground and the aiming point marking can be seen in the background of the photo beside the right engine, which AFAIK would place the plane at the end of the runway.

It must be the season for bird strikes, had to swerve to avoid a flock of pelicans while flying the other day.

Gareth37

nipplenuts wrote: »

Ryanair give us a picture from the future and expect us to swallow it, eh?

1. Is this the 2nd time Ryanair have said that one of their planes had to land because of "bird strike"? They are very unlucky thats all?

2. It was very good of them to release a picture of the plane. Nobody can argue, you can see the blood of birds on the plane so this must have caused the crash, right?

3. What height was the plane travelling when it happened?

Gareth37

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1343517.ece