Best type of milk for bulking up

King Ludvig

I drink about 2 litres of milk a day. What is the best type of milk for me to be drinking? ie full fat, semi skimmed, low fat etc.

thanks

Khannie

Full fat

kevpants

Khannie wrote: »

Full fat

+1

King Ludvig

Is that not going to result in a hell of a lot of fat in ones diet? ie bad for the heart?

cozmik

King Ludvig wrote: »

Is that not going to result in a hell of a lot of fat in ones diet? ie bad for the heart?

2 litres of whole milk will have about 44g of saturated fat which is more than double the recommended daily intake.

kevpants

cozmik wrote: »

2 litres of whole milk will have about 44g of saturated fat which is more than double the recommended daily intake.

/Get's ready for another diet war

There is NO proof that saturated fat causes heart disease. None.

The original study that everyone bases this assumption on took place in in the 50's. Yes about 20 years before anyone twigged smoking was bad for you.

And shockingly THIS is all it was. The guy took six countries:
United States
Canada
England
Australia
Italy
Japan

and compared how many deaths per capita there are of heart disease with how much saturated fat was in their diet. That's all. He didn't look at any other aspect of the diet or any other contributary factors. In the 50's people were a lot more believing of everything they were told and it was lapped up.

Now here's the cherry on top. If you expand that list of 6 countries to 22 (which the guy did but cut out 16 countries) you find that the trend disappears. Yes that's right countries with massive intakes of saturated fat with low heart disease were left out of the final results.

Since then no one has been able to conclusively prove that saturated fat causes heart disease in any lab test. No one knows, if it does cause it, how it does. Ya know why?

Because it's a sack of sh!t that's why.

The one correlation no one will mention is that heart disease and obesity have only become an issue since humans started eating grains. But this doesn't fit with what is now a low fat culture that people are getting rich off.

So drink as much milk as you like, just stay away from the toast.

/rant

OP drinking this milk is great if you're busting your ass in the gym. All the calories, fat and protein are being used and you'll grow like a weed. If you're just sitting at home waiting to bulk up you will just get fat because you won't be using the calories etc. This IS bad for you.

dave80

kevpants wrote: »

/Get's ready for another diet war

There is NO proof that saturated fat causes heart disease. None.

The original study that everyone bases this assumption on took place in in the 50's. Yes about 20 years before anyone twigged smoking was bad for you.

And shockingly THIS is all it was. The guy took six countries:
United States
Canada
England
Australia
Italy
Japan

and compared how many deaths per capita there are of heart disease with how much saturated fat was in their diet. That's all. He didn't look at any other aspect of the diet or any other contributary factors. In the 50's people were a lot more believing of everything they were told and it was lapped up.

Now here's the cherry on top. If you expand that list of 6 countries to 22 (which the guy did but cut out 16 countries) you find that the trend disappears. Yes that's right countries with massive intakes of saturated fat with low heart disease were left out of the final results.

Since then no one has been able to conclusively prove that saturated fat causes heart disease in any lab test. No one knows, if it does cause it, how it does. Ya know why?

Because it's a sack of sh!t that's why.

The one correlation no one will mention is that heart disease and obesity have only become an issue since humans started eating grains. But this doesn't fit with what is now a low fat culture that people are getting rich off.

So drink as much milk as you like, just stay away from the toast.

/rant

OP drinking this milk is great if you're busting your ass in the gym. All the calories, fat and protein are being used and you'll grow like a weed. If you're just sitting at home waiting to bulk up you will just get fat because you won't be using the calories etc. This IS bad for you.

+1

FULL FAT COWS MILK ALL THE WAY!

Colm_OReilly

kevpants,

Thanks for that. I've always wondered where the original horsesh!t that is fat = bad comes from. You don't have a linky or anything on it? Just be interesting to read the original paper or a decent commentary on it.

Thanks,
Colm

kevpants

Colm_OReilly wrote: »

kevpants,

Thanks for that. I've always wondered where the original horsesh!t that is fat = bad comes from. You don't have a linky or anything on it? Just be interesting to read the original paper or a decent commentary on it.

Thanks,
Colm

The guys name was Ancel Keys. You should be able to find alot on him and his study.

Here's a little vid on it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4

This one gets a bit more technical:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awA2fsa94MI

Colm_OReilly

Thanks, I'll watch them later tonight.

cozmik

kevpants wrote: »

/Get's ready for another diet war

There is NO proof that saturated fat causes heart disease. None.

I didn't say it did!

What I said was that the amount of saturated fat in 2 litres of whole milk is way over the rdi and nothing more.

If people decide to ignore the rdi, that's up to them.

rubadub

cozmik wrote: »

What I said was that the amount of saturated fat in 2 litres of whole milk is way over the rdi and nothing more.

It is also over the RDA for protein, and over the RDA for sugar, and probably well over the amounts for many vitamins in it too. So why pick out the fat, if all you were doing was simply pointing it out without any other inference? In another WW thread I was talking about them demonizing sat fats in their points system, and you were saying you should be cutting them down for the sake of your heart. I have seen you posting about sat fat many times, I am not having a go, I used to think the same way, like "why would they lie", until you realise there could well be vested interests in things, like the food pyramid. There is a vested interest in corn oil in the US too. It is not even like many scientists knowingly lie, they just perpetuate and regurgitate the studies they have blindly read. If you have any good links advising against sat fat please post them too, best to have both sides shown.

cozmik wrote: »

If people decide to ignore the rdi, that's up to them.

Many very knowingly do, I take over 10 times the RDA for vitamin C too, the RDA will just stave off scurvy.

A few more threads on fat.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055286785
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055238028
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055229715

cozmik

rubadub wrote: »

So why pick out the fat,

here's why....

because even small amounts of fat make a big difference. In the study we published in the Lancet in 1990, we found that a difference of eight grams of saturated fat intake daily resulted in a threefold increased chance of dying from multiple sclerosis.1 (That means daily consumption of as little as one ounce of pork sausage at 10 grams, one medium cooked hamburger at 14 grams, an additional three ounces of porterhouse steak, or 2 ounces of cheddar cheese at 12 grams, significantly increases the risk for victims of MS.

http://www.drmcdougall.com/res_swank.html

smndly

The higher the fat in milk the lower the sugar and we all know that sugar's the enemy (except postworkout) so full fat all the way!!!