Bohs in court

gimmick

^ :rolleyes:

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Benedict XVI wrote: »

Brand new franchise clubs, now.

Yep.

Excellent idea.

Go from clubs that have some support to clubs that nobody will bother to support.

This suggestion is made on a regular basis round these parts, but has no basis in intelligence.

Benedict XVI

Des wrote: »

Yep.

Excellent idea.

Go from clubs that have some support to clubs that nobody will bother to support.

This suggestion is made on a regular basis round these parts, but has no basis in intelligence.

the last 4 winners have all got into trouble, points deducted, property deals go bad etc.

There is something wrong with the setup.

Time for drastic changes.

now what happened to ONYD (I miss him/her too)

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Who will support your new clubs?

The barstool brigade won't, the day trip brigade won't and the current LoI supporters won't support a franchise.

How will these new clubs sustain themselves?

Nobody would sponsor a league with no fans.

ONYD was banned for calling Man U "manure" while the mods continue to ignore the LoI trolling, en masse.

Pure Cork

Benedict XVI wrote: »

i have said this before and I'll say it again.

Time to disband the league and start again.

Brand new franchise clubs, now.

Oh and what happened to ONYD, I was too busy watch the US Election ?

If by franchising you mean starting completely new clubs, then that just isn't going to work. Restructuring and running the whole show properly is what is needed.

Des wrote: »

ONYD was banned for calling Man U "manure" while the mods continue to ignore the LoI trolling, en masse.

John_C

gimmick wrote: »

At least all the first division sides seem to have their houses in order :P

And UCDD'll be joining them, leaving Shams to carry the flag of financial prudence in the premier. Who would have predicted that five years ago?

LuckyLloyd

CiaranC wrote: »

Word is that the judgement is in in the Albion case, being read out now. Thread on Gypoweb suggests they lost.

If thats the case, I for one am delighted. Couldnt happen to a bigger shower of *****.

CiaranC wrote: »

Youll get exactly as much sympathy from me as Bohs fans gave SRFC throughout their troubles, e.g. none. A pox on all your houses.

Stay classy.

stovelid

Des wrote: »

ONYD was banned for calling Man U "manure" while the mods continue to ignore the LoI trolling, en masse.

SectionF

Benedict XVI wrote: »

i have said this before and I'll say it again.

Time to disband the league and start again.

Brand new franchise clubs, now.

Jonny Arson

no sympathy from me to the small club from Phibsboro, you saw what happened to your illustrious neighbours Shels and you's f**ked it up so you deserve every bit of sh!t you get. i do feel sorry for the genuine bohs fans who are going to feel the pain from the actions of the wreckless incompetents running their club but i am truly delighted for the c*nts who danced on Shels' grave, each and every single one of you deserve it so enjoy it.

Pats up next.

Benedict XVI wrote: »

i have said this before and I'll say it again.

Time to disband the league and start again.

Brand new franchise clubs, now.

yeah exactly, please can we have more Kildare Countys and Sporting Fingals to save irish football from the doldrums.. :rolleyes:

Mr.Nice Guy

I understand this relates to the sale of Dalymount but for the uninformed, what exactly have Bohs done wrong here and why are they in such trouble? Couldn't find much background info about it.

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Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I understand this relates to the sale of Dalymount but for the uninformed, what exactly have Bohs done wrong here and why are they in such trouble? Couldn't find much background info about it.

read a few posts back in this thread, I gave a synopsis

podge018

from the leagues point of view all they'll have done MAYBE is breach the 65% wage cap. There's the possibility they'll go into administration for which there's a precedent of a 10 point deduction for this been set by Cork and Drogheda this season.

From an in-house point of view, they've lost the court case today, the sale of Dalymount to Carroll is on hold as Albion have a claim to a part of Dalymount which Bohs originally agreed to sell to them. This could mean Carroll wants out of it altogether which means the move to Harristown to the Carroll built stadium will be in the bin obviously.

podge018

BOHEMIANS suffered a major blow in their bid to complete the €60million sale of Dalymount Park today as a court case in Dublin went against the League of Ireland side.

Bohs have been in dispute with property company Albion for some time over the collapse of their 2001 deal to sell part of the Dalymount side to Albion. Bohs subsequently agreed a deal with Liam Carroll's property group Danninger to earn €60million for the sale of Dalymount and the building of a new stadium in Harristown.

But that deal has now been thrown into doubt when the judge found against Bohs in the matter and ruled that Albion were still entitled to the section of Dalymount they purchased in 2003.

"We are disappointed. We followed the advice of our legal team all the way through, we felt we had a strong case. Now we have to talk to our legal team and see what our next step is," Bohs secretary Gerry Conway said when the decision was announced after noon earlier today.

It remains to be seen of the plan to sell Dalymount Park to developer Liam Carroll in exchange for €40million cash and the building of a new, 10,000 seater stadium near Dublin Airport can go through, as the judge today effectively ruled that Albion still own the section of Dalymount which they purchased.

"We have an agreement in place with Liam Carroll and a contract signed but that deal may now need amendments. We need to talk to Liam and see what his feeling is on the verdict," added Conway.

Bohs began talks with Albion as part of the company's plans to develop the Phibsboro Shopping Centre site, which Albion own. After two years of talks, a deal was agreed whereby Bohs would sell part of the ground behind the goal at the Tramway End to Albion, in exchange for a cash payment and the building by Albion of corporate boxes for Bohs.

Albion agreed to paid Bohs an initial deposit of €100,000 and by 2003, it was claimed in court today, Albion chairman Pascal Conroy claimed publicly that "the deal is done".

Albion made regular payments to Bohs over the following months and years, money which Bohs - by now racking up massive debts due to the cost of their full-time squad - needed to stay afloat.

But disputes arose over the exact location of Albion's side and the deal began to unravel when it was suggested that, instead of building the corporate boxes for Bohs behind the goal, that Albion would pay Bohs compensation of €750,000 as a buy-out clause for not building the corporate boxes.

Over time relations between the parties grew more tense at by 2006 Bohs had sent Albion a cheque for €1.05million, to cover the amount that Albion had paid to Bohs since the deal was initiated, but the money was not accepted by Albion and they returned the cheque as they wanted to keep their deal in place and retain their land.

The matter ended up before the courts when Bohs agreed that deal, in 2006, with Danninger to sell Dalymount lock, stock and barrel and move to the new stadium in Harristown, but that deal has been blocked by Albion's court bid to have it recognised in court that the still owned part of the Dalymount site.

Now it's back to the drawing board for Bohs to see if they can somehow buy Albion out of their part of the land or somehow accommodate them in the overall deal to sell the ground and move to Harristown.Either way, it's a big blow to Bohs and their ambitions to have a successful, full-time team playing in a spanking new 10,000 seater stadium in the short term.

Running Bing

Des wrote: »

Who will support your new clubs?

The barstool brigade won't, the day trip brigade won't and the current LoI supporters won't support a franchise.

How will these new clubs sustain themselves?

Nobody would sponsor a league with no fans.

ONYD was banned for calling Man U "manure" while the mods continue to ignore the LoI trolling, en masse.

Not to mention referring to Spurs as Spuds. A deeply hurtful and offensive pseudonym.










On topic LOI is a joke. Used to be an avid fan going to all Pats games but how can you take it seriously? The suggestion of disbandment may be somewhat drastic but something radical needs to change. Its easy to have a go at barstoolers or whatever you want to label people but at the end of the day if you in Dublin and you decide to start supporting a LOI team now who do you pick? Shels? Rovers? Pats? Bohs? none of them would make you proud to be a supporter now would they?

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Babybing wrote: »

On topic LOI is a joke.

Agreed

Babybing wrote: »

if you in Dublin and you decide to start supporting a LOI team now who do you pick? Shels? Rovers? Pats? Bohs? none of them would make you proud to be a supporter now would they?

I am immensely proud to call myself a Shelbourne supporter, thanks.

stovelid

Babybing wrote: »

nd you decide to start supporting a LOI team now who do you pick? Shels? Rovers? Pats? Bohs? none of them would make you proud to be a supporter now would they?

Don't know about you, but it makes me proud.

edit: quick on the draw, des.

Pure Cork

Babybing wrote: »

Not to mention referring to Spurs as Spuds. A deeply hurtful and offensive pseudonym.

Babybing wrote: »

On topic LOI is a joke. Used to be an avid fan going to all Pats games but how can you take it seriously? The suggestion of disbandment may be somewhat drastic but something radical needs to change.

A complete disaster of a season for the league as a whole. Hopefully this season will be a turning point, and clubs will get their act together.

Babybing wrote: »

Its easy to have a go at barstoolers or whatever you want to label people but at the end of the day if you in Dublin and you decide to start supporting a LOI team now who do you pick? Shels? Rovers? Pats? Bohs? none of them would make you proud to be a supporter now would they?

Move to Cork

Running Bing

Des wrote: »

Agreed



I am immensely proud to call myself a Shelbourne supporter, thanks.

Thats fair enough Des, perhaps I could've worded myself better.


What I am getting at is the debate about attracting new fans and getting people interested. If your coming to the LOI now none of those clubs are a particularly great choice to nail your support too. Major change is needed....admittedly Im at a loss to describe what that change could entail

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Pure Cork wrote: »

A complete disaster of a season for the league as a whole. Hopefully this season will be a turning point, and clubs will get their act together.

L O L

SectionF

Babybing wrote: »

What I am getting at is the debate about attracting new fans and getting people interested. If your coming to the LOI now none of those clubs are a particularly great choice to nail your support too. Major change is needed....admittedly Im at a loss to describe what those changes could be

You talk as if live football is and always has been nothing more than a product to be marketed to consumers. You don't even entertain the notion that that alone actually is never going to work in Ireland.

Benedict XVI

Babybing wrote: »

Thats fair enough Des, perhaps I could've worded myself better.


What I am getting at is the debate about attracting new fans and getting people interested. If your coming to the LOI now none of those clubs are a particularly great choice to nail your support too. Major change is needed....admittedly Im at a loss to describe what that change could entail

Exactly, who do you start supporting when they may be bust and or at best down a division after a season.

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Benedict XVI wrote: »

Exactly, who do you start supporting when they may be bust and or at best down a division after a season.

It's very hard to start supporting a team at the moment.

I wouldn't expect any "new" fans for a number of years.

And frankly, I don't blame anyone.

I'm like a camel with a hundred tonne of straw on my back.

There's only so many more straws I can take.

podge018

The answer is pretty simple really. You support your local team and stick with them.

Running Bing

SectionF wrote: »

You talk as if live football is and always has been nothing more than a product to be marketed to consumers. You don't even entertain the notion that that alone actually is never going to work in Ireland.

No I did not mean to imply live football is nothing more than a product but lets face reality, the major issue the league has faced over the last couple of decades is getting people into the grounds. Just a few seasons back the league changed to a summer one in the hopes of attracting more fans.


Live football may not be a product but in this day and age for a league to thrive sometimes it has to be treated that way and right now the LOI is a product I would not want to buy.

Benedict XVI

SectionF wrote: »

You talk as if live football is and always has been nothing more than a product to be marketed to consumers. You don't even entertain the notion that that alone actually is never going to work in Ireland.

Ah please less of this consumers v fans s**t.

I have a friend from Drogheda but living in Navan, he is a big soccer fan who has had a marginal interest in Drogheda Utd all his life.
He has a 6 year old son, since Drogheda became competitive he and his son have been to going to Drogheda games regularly.

Now Drogheda in trouble and may end up down a division in a year or so. Do you really think the kid and the dad are going to be as inclined to travel to Drogheda matches as much if they are in a lower division and not going places?

Of course not.

All we hear on this board is that people should go to LOI games more.
How the F**K is someone going to decide to start following a LOI team (and it is only natural to follow a winning team) if that team are going to be s**t or bust a year later.

SectionF

Benedict XVI wrote: »

Now Drogheda in trouble and may end up down a division in a year or so. Do you really think the kid and the dad are going to be as inclined to travel to Drogheda matches as much if they are in a lower division and not going places?

Of course not.

Do you think they should shop around for another club?

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Lads, they are right.

Who in their right mind would choose to become a Bohemians supporter today, tomorrow, or next year?

What possible motivation is there?

They are a shambles at the moment.

The LEAGUE is a shambles at the moment.

These two stories today put the league in a VERY bad light.

This is the third champions in a row to have financial trouble.

It's hardly worth getting involved any more.

Benedict XVI

SectionF wrote: »

Do you think they should shop around for another club?

No but how is the league supposed to keep recently returned fans and gain new ones if the last 3 champions are now in financial trouble.

I appreciate that you and the likes of Des and ONYD (God rest him/her) are fans of clubs for years and would never stop supporting them, but the league will not grown without new fans.

Benedict XVI

podge018 wrote: »

The answer is pretty simple really. You support your local team and stick with them.

My local clubs are Limerick and Cork, each 2 hrs away, and I have no natural attraction to either