thai boxing limerick

tiger king thai

hi my name is eric and im looking to open a thai boxing gym in limerick. i currently run classes in both mallow and chaleville in cork. just checking around for anybody interested. i also would like some ideas on gyms or halls willing to let me rent for a few hours a week. i have been training in thai boxing fourteen years and have trained under craig o flynn and anthony corkery and master kong chan, thanks eric

siamthaiboxer

eric, no probs with you opening a club but at least tell the truth..in total you have about 2 full years training in thai - you never went to thailand, you only fought twice at the most, never above c class....do not lie...you never trained with master kong.

leave training in limerick to a proper thai boxer in robert ng, rob is one of the most experienced thaiboxers in ireland living in thailand for a good few years.

Havo

ouch!

Elite Strength

Man, thats harsh.

daveywavey08

LOL! This is funny

Elite Strength

But would'nt it be great if another Master did come from from Thailand again, like master sken and master toddy came to england in the 70's, looks like all we can hope for is another attempted failed coup and some thai masters to leg it.

tiger king thai

siamthaiboxer wrote: »

eric, no probs with you opening a club but at least tell the truth..in total you have about 2 full years training in thai - you never went to thailand, you only fought twice at the most, never above c class....do not lie...you never trained with master kong.

leave training in limerick to a proper thai boxer in robert ng, rob is one of the most experienced thaiboxers in ireland living in thailand for a good few years.

i know who you are at least be brave and add your name. i will not get into a tit for tat arguement here. i will just answer the facts. i have been training in thai boxing nearly fourteen years, there is more to thai boxing than hitting the pads everday. how do u know i have never been to thailand when was the last time i talked to you. years ago.yes i only fought twice but again what has that to do with thai boxing. and i have done training under kong but i never said i did lots hence why i put his name last. and good luck to robert and his club i hope he does well. and i will set up a club no matter what kind of childish statements you put up about me and i am a member of the IMC thats more than i can say about other clubs in this region thanks for your time eric

siamthaiboxer

im not sure who you think i am..last time we spoke was in shandon street.. And what does fighting have to do with thaiboxing..eh a lot..you might aswell be teaching tae-bo so...
im not up on the whoĺe IMC thing so im not too sure what you mean by that ??? but i do follow thai boxing regulalrly and have trained in most gyms around cork..and in dublin....

they were not childish remarks, simply stating the fact that you are lying about your record.

Yes there is more to thai boxing than hitting pads, but watching tv on thai boxing for a few years does not qualify you..otherwise i would be a master.
Just another one of the 20 who jump on the bandwagon.

Siamdragon

I think everyone is right to check out the qualifications of their instructors and I encourage everyone to do so before starting any Muaythai Classes, but I think the post above is quite harsh specially from someone who’s its First post and with out name so maybe they have other hidden agenda in play
Eric is a level 1 instructor with the Irish Muaythai Council who is are the only Irish Sports Council recognized group for Muaythai in Ireland no one gets threw the IMC or ISC with out proper qualifications
If anyone wants to Question Eric or any Muaythai instructor in Ireland feel free to Contact Mr. Sean Dillon who is the President of the Irish Muaythai Council in Ireland if they are not register with him they are not fully qualified to teach Muaythai in Ireland.

tiger king thai

siamthaiboxer wrote: »

im not sure who you think i am..last time we spoke was in shandon street.. And what does fighting have to do with thaiboxing..eh a lot..you might aswell be teaching tae-bo so...
im not up on the whoĺe IMC thing so im not too sure what you mean by that ??? but i do follow thai boxing regulalrly and have trained in most gyms around cork..and in dublin....

they were not childish remarks, simply stating the fact that you are lying about your record.

Yes there is more to thai boxing than hitting pads, but watching tv on thai boxing for a few years does not qualify you..otherwise i would be a master.
Just another one of the 20 who jump on the bandwagon.

you can be only one of three people that i know in thai boxing since i started training. craig i know your not or anthony or martin. if your anybody else you dont know what your on about

tiger king thai

siamthaiboxer wrote: »

im not sure who you think i am..last time we spoke was in shandon street.. And what does fighting have to do with thaiboxing..eh a lot..you might aswell be teaching tae-bo so...
im not up on the whoĺe IMC thing so im not too sure what you mean by that ??? but i do follow thai boxing regulalrly and have trained in most gyms around cork..and in dublin....

they were not childish remarks, simply stating the fact that you are lying about your record.

Yes there is more to thai boxing than hitting pads, but watching tv on thai boxing for a few years does not qualify you..otherwise i would be a master.
Just another one of the 20 who jump on the bandwagon.

if you dont have the guts to say who you are. just confirms who i think you are, this is the last time i will answer anything from you. i will teach classes in limerick because i know how to teach thai boxing, so best of luck to you and your training

phoenix-MT

Siamdragon wrote: »

if they are not register with him they are not fully qualified to teach Muaythai in Ireland.

Thats a very brave quote, i think you should be very careful about how you word your statements

Khannie

Ok....I normally avoid stuff like this like the plague, but I'm gonna bite.....

Siamdragon wrote: »

if they are not register with him they are not fully qualified to teach Muaythai in Ireland.

You're not seriously trying to imply that an instructor with two fights and a piece of paper is more qualified to teach Muay Thai than any of the (many) non-IMC instructors in the country, are you?

I really hope I'm mis-reading that.

Siamdragon

Their nothing Brave about it, it’s a fact,

There a lot more to teaching then just knowing the Sport,
When you train people especially the youth that look up to there teacher’s,
Are you the right role model for them young people are very influence rightly or wrongly.
Training Men Women and Children in an Art Like or’s, every Country has a Set rules and regulations set out by their own nation sports body's which anyone teaching in that Country must follow as well as there own Art World Body's who should also be recognized on at World Level.
If anyone wants more information on any of wants I posted above Contact Mr Sean Dillon, I have been around Muaythai in Ireland since its beginning and have watched it grow from strength to strength which I am delighted to see I hope someday we will have teacher in every city town and schools
This is not the Place to talk about all these things but if anyone wants more information feel free to contact me on in person the IMC is there to help build Muaythai into the main stream in every home school in Ireland but in away that is safe and Government Supported.

Sjp.

siamthaiboxer

ok...i dunno what to think about last few posts....

are you sure its not tae-bo you are teaching... ??? because if you have a an instructor who has no ring time or experience around fights how can you build thai boxing - it is a fighting sport afterall..
Ive trained in your gym craig and it does not seem like taebo.
And this post was not about organisations or anything...it was simply about a trainer lying about his credentials on the internet....great role model yah....

is it a fact that a new instructor is now better qualified than the most experienced man in the country (and lets not forget your trainer Craig) Anthony ?

Siamdragon

I was writing myself when the last post went up so Before anyone else jumps on this and reply’s,
I will say one more things the IMC has spoke to most of the Coachs in this Country about the IMC goals which most clubs agree with
and in January 2009 We will be happly including another 4 Clubs some of which are clubs that opted out in the in the past due to issues that need to be sorted, By way the end of 2009 we would hope all Muaythai Clubs in Ireland will be part of the IMC
As the IMC is not there to hold anyone back its to push everyone forward
The IMC is a non profit making organization who are there to support Muaythai in the Correct and safe way.

Sjp

Nothingcompares

Khannie wrote: »

Ok....I normally avoid stuff like this like the plague, but I'm gonna bite.....



You're not seriously trying to imply that an instructor with two fights and a piece of paper is more qualified to teach Muay Thai than any of the (many) non-IMC instructors in the country, are you?

I really hope I'm mis-reading that.

Being qualified and being competent to teach do not always go hand in hand and it swings both ways.

Khannie

Nothingcompares wrote: »

Being qualified and being competent to teach do not always go hand in hand and it swings both ways.

Wouldn't dispute that for a second. My problem was the implication that all of the non-IMC coaches were inferior in some way. The standard of fighter coming out of some of the non-IMC gyms is testament to the quality of teaching in those gyms.

The scene in Ireland is so small that I think blanket statements (and their negative implications) like that are unhelpful at best.

phoenix-MT

Our gym has only been open since august this year so as far as the IMC goes im not going to comment on it, its past or what i think of it in general as to be honest i simply dont know enough about it. However, i Dont know how the other succesfull non IMC gyms around the country feel, but what you said is extremely disrespectful to them all and everyone involved...Which to me is not what Muay Thai is all about and not what i want my students, fighters and future instructors to think or believe in. So if i dont join the IMC i should just shut my gym and re-open it as a thaibo gym instead to keep you happy??? lmao ....please!

Dave Joyce

Mr. Sean Dillon who is the President of the Irish Muaythai Council in Ireland if they are not register with him they are not fully qualified to teach Muaythai in Ireland.

If you re-read that piece above you will see that no one is doubting people's qualifications BUT as far as the Irish Sports Council is concerned the ONLY qualified instructors are individuals who are part of the IMC, as they are the only National Governing Body for Muaythai in Ireland.

Our gym has only been open since august this year so as far as the IMC goes im not going to comment on it, its past or what i think of it in general as to be honest i simply dont know enough about it.

Cool, you don't know sweet FA about the IMC, BUT what body are you part of for the promotion of Muaythai??

The scene in Ireland is so small that I think blanket statements (and their negative implications) like that are unhelpful at best.

As I explained above it is NOT a blanket statement but a matter of fact. Check it out with the ISC. Don't please attempt to start saying crap like its insinuating that the quality of non IMC coaches or fighters is inferior, you're attempting to read something that is SIMPLY not there.

phoenix-MT

Dave Joyce wrote: »

Cool, you don't know sweet FA about the IMC, BUT what body are you part of for the promotion of Muaythai??

Yeah because the first thing i thought about when setting up the gym was to join the IMC or any governing body...as i said...i would not comment on it meaning GOOD or bad as i do not know enough about it. I never said that i wouldnt or it is wrong, i agree with a governing body just to set the record straight. what i didnt agree with was what was said by an individual not an organisation.

Khannie

Dave Joyce wrote: »

it is NOT a blanket statement but a matter of fact.

I think that sentence implied that non-IMC people aren't qualified to teach Muay Thai. I think the key word there is "qualified". You seem to think that qualification involves a piece of paper......I disagree. Strongly. I've never trained with someone who's qualified by your definition.

Don't get me wrong....I think that efforts to improve teaching standards can only be a good thing. I just don't think that they're a pre-requisite to being a good coach (or indeed that having this qualification means that you are a good coach).

Dave Joyce wrote: »

Check it out with the ISC. Don't please attempt to start saying crap like its insinuating that the quality of non IMC coaches or fighters is inferior

You needn't start saying that I'm "saying crap" and reading things that aren't there without reading my posts properly to be honest. I initially asked a very direct question. At the end of my post I said I hoped I was mis-reading things. I left the door open for a reasonable response....something along the lines of "nah...I'm not implying that, yada yada".

The one I got: "It's a fact".

My reading of the sentence (and I'm not alone) was that it implied that someone with IMC qualification was a superior coach.

edit:

Dave Joyce wrote: »

you're attempting to read something that is SIMPLY not there.

Like I said, I wasn't trying to read anything. I asked a question. Glad to hear that implication isn't there anyway.

david cork

i think if the IMC say he is qualfied to coach great. i dont think its something they lightly. they have to think is able to take in adults and kids and teach them a sport . they are trying to promote a sport and push it into a main stream that is all soccer and football and hurling. that cant be easy. they only want qualified coachs behind them to promote themselves. all the best to them and their coachs. thai boxing is a great sport and looking forward to seeing it on tv soon

siamthaiboxer

ok if they only want qualified coaches, what does one have to do ??? have a few training sessions a couple of years back ? and have a great personality ? does that work ?

be a kickboxer for a few years and then decide to switch to thai boxing cos its more popular ???? does that qualify ?

I think i might just go and open a club now...- my experience - i make a great cup of coffee.

what are the qualifications to be an instructor with the IMC ? a direct question.
Does an instructor have to pay money to the imc to teach ?? or do the imc take a % of income ??

why is there no mention of thai boxing on the ISC website ???

Khannie

There's no need to take the piss. There's been some decent (frank) discussion in this thread. Let's try to keep it civil.

siamthaiboxer

that not taking the piss...thats just some of the instructors teaching thaiboxing in ireland.
am wondering whats the qualifications needed..
as i asked straight questions.
maybe i can teach thaiboxing. I live in waterford now and cant find any thai...so i can start my own club.

Khannie

siamthaiboxer wrote: »

I think i might just go and open a club now...- my experience - i make a great cup of coffee.

That's taking the piss.

siamthaiboxer

:D yah that one was..but im sure everyone saw the funny side to that...well did anyways..im not here to fight about imc vs everyone etc. i was simply stating that someone was on here lying about credentials...simple as that...i really couldnt give a ****e about organisations etc. I enjoy training thats it. I do not ask my instructor what paper he has. if he gives a good class and knows what he/she is talking about then thats enough for me....

david cork

siamthaiboxer wrote: »

that not taking the piss...thats just some of the instructors teaching thaiboxing in ireland.
am wondering whats the qualifications needed..
as i asked straight questions.
maybe i can teach thaiboxing. I live in waterford now and cant find any thai...so i can start my own club.

oh but there is a thai gym in waterford. but hang he is a member of the IMC. that wouldnt do for a man with tonnes of fights and years of training like you. you would have to ask him everything he has ever done and what he had for breakfast too. then you could go in and give him a few pointers or maybe he islying about everything he has ever done and you can tell the world about him

Dave Joyce

I think that sentence implied that non-IMC people aren't qualified to teach Muay Thai.

No, actually it didn't. As far as the ISC is concerned, anyone who is NOT in the IMC is NOT qualified to teach Muaythai - FACT! Whether we agree with that is NOT the point, that is the case. Just as a side note, it took quite an amount of work, time, effort and expense from Sean and Craig to get us to this position ie government recognition.

My reading of the sentence (and I'm not alone) was that it implied that someone with IMC qualification was a superior coach.

No, YOU choose to see that in it. What it WAS SAYING, is that IMC instructors are government recognised as the ONLY qualified instructors in Muaythai in Ireland. EVERYONE was approached about joining the IMC, what you should be asking is WHY the clubs that stayed out choose to do so. We are not only TRYING but BRINGING Muaythai forward, but there are those that seem intent on trying to discredit the work of the IMC at every available opportunity.

Nothingcompares

why do you think some clubs (e.g, bridgestone) haven't joined thus far dave?

siamthaiboxer

david cork wrote: »

oh but there is a thai gym in waterford. but hang he is a member of the IMC. that wouldnt do for a man with tonnes of fights and years of training like you. you would have to ask him everything he has ever done and what he had for breakfast too. then you could go in and give him a few pointers or maybe he islying about everything he has ever done and you can tell the world about him

ive never said i fought.....but i have been training a long time. And I would have no problem going to an IMC gym. I have been training in one in cork a while back. As long as the training is good.

I have to be honest ye lot on here that are defending the imc seem very paranoid. i never mentioned anything to do with the imc. only highlighted the lying on here. If you are so confident in the IMC why do you feel like you need to defend it at every opportunity, wether the topic is about that or not....

again to reiterate - i know nothing about the imc, dont care, but i do get annoyed by people saying they are superman when they do not have a cape..

maybe we should open a proper IMC thread where you can highlight all your achievements and answer any peoples queries...

Dave Joyce

why do you think some clubs (e.g, bridgestone) haven't joined thus far dave?

I'm afraid I know the reasons why (and hope that doesn't sound conceited as its not meant to) but don't want to air them publicly as perhaps the situation will be resolved in the future and I certainly wouldn't want to say anything that could damage that.

david cork

siamthaiboxer wrote: »

ive never said i fought.....but i have been training a long time. And I would have no problem going to an IMC gym. I have been training in one in cork a while back. As long as the training is good.

I have to be honest ye lot on here that are defending the imc seem very paranoid. i never mentioned anything to do with the imc. only highlighted the lying on here. If you are so confident in the IMC why do you feel like you need to defend it at every opportunity, wether the topic is about that or not....

again to reiterate - i know nothing about the imc, dont care, but i do get annoyed by people saying they are superman when they do not have a cape..

maybe we should open a proper IMC thread where you can highlight all your achievements and answer any peoples queries...

the whole point of bringing the IMC into this that they wouldnt accept anybody as a member unless they knew he had the exp and knew how to teach thai boxing. and your the one who started attacking eric, i have trained in a few gyms in cork aswell as trained with eric and i have no doubt in my mind that he is a good trainer and i look forward to training with him in the future. where as you say a lot of things and have nothing to back it up unknown siam. all you have to do is come to one of his classes and you will see him train and you will see he is not lying about his exp

phoenix-MT

just want to say one thing as i think this thread will end up getting personal. lol I set up our gym In Mullingar to promote the sport as there was no Muay Thai gyms in the midlands. So i would appreciate it if you didnt start with all that "what are you doing to promote the sport".
Also I quite clearly said that i do not know much about the IMC, that wasn't a 'dig' its just a fact and i will look into it next year as im totally for a governing body and everyone working together...i just haven't had the time yet. :pac:

Siamdragon

Hi all
Who ever this siamthaiboxer is I think you are only here to stir things up for no good reason or you have some sort of beef with Eric,
There will be a lot of good things happening in the new year with Muaythai in Ireland, and the IMC will be in the four front of these exciting time ahead. We are in talks with many of the Clubs that are not already involved with the IMC yet and are delighted to say that at least 4 of those clubs have agree and will be on bored the IMC in the New Year.
But until we all finalize everything we don’t want to upset or jeopardize any of the progress we have made all behind the Scene .
Open forums are no place for issues like these, people talk there personal options with out knowing what there Coaches and Gym owners are working on behind the Scenes
Lads there is great Talent of Muaythai in Ireland and some great teaches out there we just need to get everyone work together and the limits are endless.
The New year holds many things for the IMC such are World Championships, European Championships, Arafat Games in Australia all under IOC and the World Sports Body’s, the Contender Ireland Season 3 With the Irish winner going forward to Represent Ireland in the Contender Asia which is on TV all over the World, There are to many things to list that the IMC are involved in but if you are involved in Muaythai in anyway in Ireland, The IMC wants you to be apart of all this and more.

Just to finish on a positive note I don’t want to see this thread go nasty or end up insulting anyone so I think all questions have been Answer on this issue.
If anyone wants more info on the IMC please feel free to Contact myself or Mr. Sean Dillon who will gladly answer any question you might have.

joeythelips

Lads do you really think you need to of had 20 plus fights and titles behind you,before you can start up your own club?.

Take a look at Enzo Calzaghe,the man never boxed in his life just got into the sport from taking Joe down to the local boxing club,and learned from watching others.

What about wenger and Mourinho,they never even played Professional football and are two of the best managers around.

j walsh

joeythelips wrote: »

Lads do you really think you need to of had 20 plus fights and titles behind you,before you can start up your own club?.

Take a look at Enzo Calzaghe,the man never boxed in his life just got into the sport from taking Joe down to the local boxing club,and learned from watching others.

What about wenger and Mourinho,they never even played Professional football and are two of the best managers around.

Very well put joeythelips ....

david cork

joeythelips wrote: »

Lads do you really think you need to of had 20 plus fights and titles behind you,before you can start up your own club?.

Take a look at Enzo Calzaghe,the man never boxed in his life just got into the sport from taking Joe down to the local boxing club,and learned from watching others.

What about wenger and Mourinho,they never even played Professional football and are two of the best managers around.

very well put joey great statement. no way in hell anybody could top that statement

Lab_Mouse

Mourinho played for 2 portugese teams and got 1 international cap;)

siamthaiboxer

yes you are right...enzo calzaghe never lied about his experience...you are missing the original point of this.

david cork

siamthaiboxer wrote: »

yes you are right...enzo calzaghe never lied about his experience...you are missing the original point of this.

the only person thats missing the point is you. the only person that says he has lied is you. and nobody else. yet people have come on here and backed him up. we have only your word saying he has lied. and yet you have refused to say who you are. even when you have been asked more than once. nobody knows what training you have done or if you even know him. your just hear stiring up ****. and disgracing him for your own selfish reasons when all he wanted to do teach thai boxing .something he has been doing very well the past year and a half. so come and stand behind your word