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M6 - Galway City RR - ABP planning cancelled. Other solutions?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭ serfboard

    Typical Doctors - great at prescribing what everyone else should be doing - not so good at doing it themselves ...

  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 34,456 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Seth Brundle

    So you think because one or two doctors wrongly leave their RRs idling, all doctors are hypocrites?

    Don't be so daft!

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,626 ✭✭✭✭ DaCor

  • Registered Users Posts: 663 ✭✭✭ brianc89

    Eugh I'm giving up on this entire project guys.

    Good luck making Galway a shining beacon of hope for the whole planet. I live in Dublin so it doesn't actually impact me. I'll check back in in 3 decades and see how you're getting on 👍🤞

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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,504 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble

    Which would make a huge bit of the inner city unliveable for lots of people. A totally dumb thing to do, because those people would end up travelling more to access services.

    In Galway, the city centre isn't where the traffic problems begin or end. Most don't go through it, either.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭ SeanW

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,626 ✭✭✭✭ DaCor

  • Registered Users Posts: 663 ✭✭✭ brianc89

    Just bin the whole city and start again. Or maybe by the time anything is built or not built for the 131st time, they'll have invented teleportation. So then Galway will only need to wait another 48years before planning is approved to consider consultations on installing teleportation.

    Everyone loses but we're all equally unhappy about it, so we're all happy with that actually. Good job Galway 👍🤞

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,340 ✭✭✭ what_traffic

    Ya people on this thread are struggling with this one. Restricting through traffic is what its about not cars.

    One will still be able to drive into the City Centre and park up within 100m of Shop Street. It will be more expensive that parking at the P&R but that's the model that is followed all over Europe. Its not re-inventing the wheel.

    Look what Ghent did (

    waiting for the - but Ghent has x,y,z...... one apply's the principles, one is NOT going to get an exact copy and paste geographical map of a City and population distribution

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,965 ✭✭✭ markpb

    The fact that you compare the DC in Mayo with a ring-road around Galway shows that you don't understand peoples objections to this road at all.

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,504 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble

    If you're an elderly person living in the Claddagh, and your grandchild wants to take you to the hairdresser in Middle Street - then sure, they can do it, but they will have to go a huge distance out of their way.

    That's just crapping on residents for ideological reasons, with measures that will do NOTHING to address the actual traffic issues, which are all around the edges, not in the city centre.

  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭ rustyfrog

    What is your suggestion?

    1. Leave everything as it is.

    2. Reprioritize road allocation within the city (doesn't sound like it)

    3. Build the ring road then reprioritize road allocation within the city (doesn't sound like it)

    4. Build the ring road and do no changes to the city road allocation

    Which are you suggesting? 1, 4 or something different?

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭ CruelSummer

    Who decides what a ‘necessary car journey’ is? Who gets to make the decision as to why and for what people should be allowed to cross the city for in a car? And who gets to decide to ban cars from the city centre when there’s no alternative routes for them to take to the west side? It was the emergency services that ultimately put a stop to the Salthill cycleway as the road infrastructure isn’t there should they take space off that area - an inconvenient truth some.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭ CruelSummer

    Castlebar will now be bypassed with a good dual carriageway running east to west to Westport. Claremorris will now have an overpass to allow safer traffic flows on and off the n17.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,626 ✭✭✭✭ DaCor

    You are the only one talking about a ban it seems, no idea why

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,340 ✭✭✭ what_traffic

    This is not true - there are plenty of car traffic issues in the City Centre as there are in many other parts of the City.

    We need to prioritize the most efficient modes of moving people all over the City.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭ CruelSummer

    Am I right in saying you’re not based in Galway? And am I right in saying you’re against any further roads being developed in the city?

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,626 ✭✭✭✭ DaCor

    Your first question and any answer to it has no bearing on the topic imo. You may disagree but that's an issue for you, not me.

    Did I say that I'm against any further roads being developed? I don't believe so.

    For example, I fully support the CCL and Dublin rd works to add infrastructure for more sustainable modes. Those plans are not perfect, by any stretch, but they are a good start.

    I also think the WDR should be done in a similar manner asap.

    Do I support over a billion being spent on a ring road that will, according to the planning application documents, not only not improve things, but will actually make the overall situation worse? No, I don't support that development but then that's obvious to all concerned

  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Toby Broad Roughneck

    Wasn't Humbert Way originally built as a bypass too?

  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,484 Mod ✭✭✭✭ CatInABox

    As Seth Brundle says above, the person making the journey is the one who decides if it's necessary to do it by car or not. Right now, most people are making the choice that public and active transport are not really all that worthwhile. In my opinion, they're making the right choice, PT and AT are terrible in almost all parts of Galway.

    So that then leaves the question as to which route to go to solve this. Do we build more roads, or do we prioritise making PT and AT more viable options for people.

    You never answered the agenda question either, do you believe that people wanting the road built are also forcing their agenda down peoples neck? In your answer, I think you should consider the number of people in this country that can't drive, either by being too young, too old, too sick, too poor, and also consider those that choose not to drive, based upon the harm done to the environment.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭ CruelSummer

    So you’re not based in Galway but opposed to the road for ideological reasons? Is it fair to say you’re not affected by the current set up in Galway at the moment, day in day out but continuously post about it on this thread to oppose the road getting built which is your right.

    You didn’t answer the question - you’re diverting your points into closing roads and getting people to cycle, walk or take a bus into the city which is all fine if the infrastructure exists around it. In Galway’s case, it’s already 20 years too late. I find it somewhat arrogant that you’re claiming the emergency services are ‘wrong’ re Salthill cycleway concerns. That is a life or death situation for many. Talk of them being able to charge down cycle lanes quickly and urgently with the plans I saw for Salthill doesn’t match reality. I support all the public transport and cycleway options if they’re based in reality - infrastructure. I’ve a different view to the lobby on here so I’ll go. But you’re in the minority of the views of people in Galway city and county I talk to on a daily basis. The anger is palpable at the latest decision. People have lost patience for this circus. The only people supporting no road are those who don’t want their mansions knocked down or those who want to restrict access to their locality such as certain areas to the west of Galway city close to the sea and surrounds.

  • Registered Users Posts: 485 ✭✭ Juran

    And don't forget Castlebar had a south-north bypass build over 30 years ago.

    Look at any city comparable to Galway on the Brittany coastal area, both rural and protected. Brest, Quimper, Lorient ... all have bypasses, you don't need to drive through or near those cities unless you need to.

    Ask Galway recruiters, how many potential applicants refused to apply for a job once they found out the company was in Spiddal, Inverin, etc as they don't want to cross the city.

  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭ cezanne

    Galway is a very badly planned town that is called a city and the traffic chaos is just bad beyond belief. You cannot get anywhere its like a blocked sewerage system. there need to be some inner city demolition before any more roads are planned.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭ CruelSummer

    Ring road with roundabouts according to Google?

    I don’t believe the ring road is forcing an agenda, roads are necessary for transport of goods, services, people. They’re a much better investment than an expensive Gluas that only services the areas it runs through with high maintenance costs. I’ve noticed the local school buses lately are so full, they’ve invested in huge two story options - this is a great way to transport many people around at once on roads. Buses should do similar. Again you’re missing the point - you cannot take more road space from Galway city for public transport and cycling as there’s not enough road space or bridges crossing the city to begin with.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭ Thelonious Monk

    My partner is an anesthetist and doesn't own a car, she cycles to work! if she ever bought a range rover that'd be the end of the relationship for me 😐️

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