M6 - Galway City RR - ABP planning cancelled. Other solutions?

serfboard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119764903#Comment_119764903

Typical Doctors - great at prescribing what everyone else should be doing - not so good at doing it themselves ...

xckjoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119764922#Comment_119764922

Maybe they aren't the same doctors....

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119764922#Comment_119764922

So you think because one or two doctors wrongly leave their RRs idling, all doctors are hypocrites?

Don't be so daft!

DaCor

Just on the whole "but everywhere has a bypass".

Conjuring up my best Peregrin Took impression, "we've had one bypass, yes, but what about the second byass"

https://twitter.com/javsantoyo/status/1582764896307253248?s=20&t=XBqBe6APMi3LPBW4xq2NMQ

https://twitter.com/javsantoyo/status/1582765446880632832?s=20&t=XBqBe6APMi3LPBW4xq2NMQ

https://twitter.com/javsantoyo/status/1582766027208654851?s=20&t=XBqBe6APMi3LPBW4xq2NMQ

brianc89

Eugh I'm giving up on this entire project guys.

Good luck making Galway a shining beacon of hope for the whole planet. I live in Dublin so it doesn't actually impact me. I'll check back in in 3 decades and see how you're getting on 👍🤞

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119761055#Comment_119761055

Which would make a huge bit of the inner city unliveable for lots of people. A totally dumb thing to do, because those people would end up travelling more to access services.

In Galway, the city centre isn't where the traffic problems begin or end. Most don't go through it, either.

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119766601#Comment_119766601

Where is Galways' first bypass?

DaCor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119767552#Comment_119767552

In the bin

brianc89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119767672#Comment_119767672

Just bin the whole city and start again. Or maybe by the time anything is built or not built for the 131st time, they'll have invented teleportation. So then Galway will only need to wait another 48years before planning is approved to consider consultations on installing teleportation.

Everyone loses but we're all equally unhappy about it, so we're all happy with that actually. Good job Galway 👍🤞

CruelSummer

It’s interesting that some on this thread don’t want to just promote greener forms of transport which of course is welcome. They’ve become radicalised to the extent they’re opposed to new roads being constructed in any form, limiting freedom of movement for people taking a car and driving and forcing their own agenda down peoples neck. Banning cars from Galway with no alternative routes for car and goods traffic is insanity and also blocks off Connemara. Do these posters oppose tourists going to visit Connemara too? Are they opposed to businesses trying to function and get deliveries in Galway city centre? Many of the posters against the bypass also don’t seem to be based in Galway. Neighbouring county Mayo had a dual carriageway constructed and ready to open next year and a fly over at Claremorris in the blink of an eye. In the meantime, the contrarians stop all development of Galway city.

DaCor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769128#Comment_119769128

Who said anything about banning cars?

CatInABox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769128#Comment_119769128

Isn't spending over a billion on a ring road, a ring road which, by the figures in the report, will increase traffic on many roads in Galway city, "forcing their own agenda down peoples neck"?

I don't think that anyone is talking about banning cars? The aim is to reduce the amount of unnecessary car journeys, not to "ban" all cars, which should allow smoother journeys for those who do have necessary car journeys. At the end of the day, traffic is solved by moving people more efficiently, which is very, very different to moving vehicles more efficiently.

what_traffic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769241#Comment_119769241

Ya people on this thread are struggling with this one. Restricting through traffic is what its about not cars.

One will still be able to drive into the City Centre and park up within 100m of Shop Street. It will be more expensive that parking at the P&R but that's the model that is followed all over Europe. Its not re-inventing the wheel.

Look what Ghent did (https://www.eltis.org/discover/case-studies/gents-traffic-circulation-plan-belgium)

waiting for the - but Ghent has x,y,z...... one apply's the principles, one is NOT going to get an exact copy and paste geographical map of a City and population distribution

markpb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769128#Comment_119769128

The fact that you compare the DC in Mayo with a ring-road around Galway shows that you don't understand peoples objections to this road at all.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769340#Comment_119769340

If you're an elderly person living in the Claddagh, and your grandchild wants to take you to the hairdresser in Middle Street - then sure, they can do it, but they will have to go a huge distance out of their way.

That's just crapping on residents for ideological reasons, with measures that will do NOTHING to address the actual traffic issues, which are all around the edges, not in the city centre.

rustyfrog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769520#Comment_119769520

What is your suggestion?

1. Leave everything as it is.

2. Reprioritize road allocation within the city (doesn't sound like it)

3. Build the ring road then reprioritize road allocation within the city (doesn't sound like it)

4. Build the ring road and do no changes to the city road allocation

Which are you suggesting? 1, 4 or something different?

CruelSummer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769332#Comment_119769332

Who decides what a ‘necessary car journey’ is? Who gets to make the decision as to why and for what people should be allowed to cross the city for in a car? And who gets to decide to ban cars from the city centre when there’s no alternative routes for them to take to the west side? It was the emergency services that ultimately put a stop to the Salthill cycleway as the road infrastructure isn’t there should they take space off that area - an inconvenient truth some.

CruelSummer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769408#Comment_119769408

Castlebar will now be bypassed with a good dual carriageway running east to west to Westport. Claremorris will now have an overpass to allow safer traffic flows on and off the n17.

DaCor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769618#Comment_119769618

You are the only one talking about a ban it seems, no idea why

what_traffic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769520#Comment_119769520

This is not true - there are plenty of car traffic issues in the City Centre as there are in many other parts of the City.

We need to prioritize the most efficient modes of moving people all over the City.

CruelSummer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769649#Comment_119769649

Am I right in saying you’re not based in Galway? And am I right in saying you’re against any further roads being developed in the city?

DaCor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769732#Comment_119769732

Your first question and any answer to it has no bearing on the topic imo. You may disagree but that's an issue for you, not me.

Did I say that I'm against any further roads being developed? I don't believe so.

For example, I fully support the CCL and Dublin rd works to add infrastructure for more sustainable modes. Those plans are not perfect, by any stretch, but they are a good start.

I also think the WDR should be done in a similar manner asap.

Do I support over a billion being spent on a ring road that will, according to the planning application documents, not only not improve things, but will actually make the overall situation worse? No, I don't support that development but then that's obvious to all concerned

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769618#Comment_119769618

You really seem to want to deliberately misunderstand the point.

Someone who has the choice to drive, walk, cycle, bus, go on horseback or travel into the city whilst doing handstands will make the decision if their journey is essential by car. This has always been the way. However, our road planners have always made the choice to travel by car easier and made little or no attempt to facilitate those who wish to travel by other means. This is why now bus journeys in galway aren't a realistic option for example.

As for your question regarding no alternative routes to head west - why would there be no alternative routes?

My own view is that the council need to get the finger out and provide safe means for people to travel in and out of the city (to the suburbs) by bus and by bike. Bus lanes will require closing some roads but this is for the greater good, as they say - there are still enough alternatives. It is widely accepted globally that if you build safe cycling infrastructure, people will use it (if it is **** (as is traditionally the case in Ireland), it won't be used by many). Once people know that they can commute by alternative means, they will look to save both time & money by not taking the car. Thousands of commiting cars would be removed automatically making it easier for those who need to drive to do so.

People have not argued to ban cars from the city. Cars won't be banned from the city. What is proposed by some is to re-prioritise the road space so not all roads will favour cars. Why should a few single occupancy cars be allowed to block a road carrying a bus full of passengers?

As for the emergency services - there was nothing inconvenient about the truth here - the point made by the ES was based on incorrect information (as they could have travelled down the cycle path as is the case with the one in Blackrock (Dublin) and along ones across the world. The bigger issue with Salthill was that the council really don't want to be arsed with it and the gardai don't want to be arsed carrying out their enforcement role. Maybe have a read of the following before replying...

https://irishcycle.com/2022/01/28/gardai-refuse-to-comment-on-reported-objection-to-galway-cycle-path-senator-calls-claims-emergency-services-delay-spurious/

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769637#Comment_119769637

Wasn't Humbert Way originally built as a bypass too?

CatInABox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769618#Comment_119769618

As Seth Brundle says above, the person making the journey is the one who decides if it's necessary to do it by car or not. Right now, most people are making the choice that public and active transport are not really all that worthwhile. In my opinion, they're making the right choice, PT and AT are terrible in almost all parts of Galway.

So that then leaves the question as to which route to go to solve this. Do we build more roads, or do we prioritise making PT and AT more viable options for people.

You never answered the agenda question either, do you believe that people wanting the road built are also forcing their agenda down peoples neck? In your answer, I think you should consider the number of people in this country that can't drive, either by being too young, too old, too sick, too poor, and also consider those that choose not to drive, based upon the harm done to the environment.

CruelSummer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769796#Comment_119769796

So you’re not based in Galway but opposed to the road for ideological reasons? Is it fair to say you’re not affected by the current set up in Galway at the moment, day in day out but continuously post about it on this thread to oppose the road getting built which is your right.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769816#Comment_119769816

You didn’t answer the question - you’re diverting your points into closing roads and getting people to cycle, walk or take a bus into the city which is all fine if the infrastructure exists around it. In Galway’s case, it’s already 20 years too late. I find it somewhat arrogant that you’re claiming the emergency services are ‘wrong’ re Salthill cycleway concerns. That is a life or death situation for many. Talk of them being able to charge down cycle lanes quickly and urgently with the plans I saw for Salthill doesn’t match reality. I support all the public transport and cycleway options if they’re based in reality - infrastructure. I’ve a different view to the lobby on here so I’ll go. But you’re in the minority of the views of people in Galway city and county I talk to on a daily basis. The anger is palpable at the latest decision. People have lost patience for this circus. The only people supporting no road are those who don’t want their mansions knocked down or those who want to restrict access to their locality such as certain areas to the west of Galway city close to the sea and surrounds.

Juran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769637#Comment_119769637

And don't forget Castlebar had a south-north bypass build over 30 years ago.

Look at any city comparable to Galway on the Brittany coastal area, both rural and protected. Brest, Quimper, Lorient ... all have bypasses, you don't need to drive through or near those cities unless you need to.

Ask Galway recruiters, how many potential applicants refused to apply for a job once they found out the company was in Spiddal, Inverin, etc as they don't want to cross the city.

cezanne

Galway is a very badly planned town that is called a city and the traffic chaos is just bad beyond belief. You cannot get anywhere its like a blocked sewerage system. there need to be some inner city demolition before any more roads are planned.

CruelSummer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769887#Comment_119769887

Ring road with roundabouts according to Google?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770068#Comment_119770068

I don’t believe the ring road is forcing an agenda, roads are necessary for transport of goods, services, people. They’re a much better investment than an expensive Gluas that only services the areas it runs through with high maintenance costs. I’ve noticed the local school buses lately are so full, they’ve invested in huge two story options - this is a great way to transport many people around at once on roads. Buses should do similar. Again you’re missing the point - you cannot take more road space from Galway city for public transport and cycling as there’s not enough road space or bridges crossing the city to begin with.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119765070#Comment_119765070

My partner is an anesthetist and doesn't own a car, she cycles to work! if she ever bought a range rover that'd be the end of the relationship for me 😐️