Line conversion film help

melekalikimaka

basically i'm attempting a project where i do a portrait and using the line conversion technique to create
http://static.photo.net/attachments/bboard/00I/00IjAO-33413784.jpg

i have a book and guide but its from 1984, film isnt used anymore, developer doesnt seem to exist anymore either and it was shot with large format and positive film

anyone wanna shed some light on how i can do this via 35mm bw negs?

so far the shoot will have heavy shadows and blown out highlights all over and gonna over develop the shots and use a high contrast filter, any other tips?

Fajitas!

Develop for longer than you think you should, shake it lots. Tbh, test the lighting out on your digital before you worry about film - just to make sure you got it right.

Possibly, if you can get away from using 35mm, shoot directly onto paper, and reverse it in the darkroom.

DaireQuinlan

I've gotten similar results (maybe not quite as harsh a transition between light/dark) by pushing delta 100 a couple of stops and then developing in Ilfosol for the appropriate time. I don't have access to flickr in work, do a tag search on my flickr stream for ilfosol, zoe and delta and you should find them. The result was as much down to the lighting setup so much as the film/dev combo.

Whats the B&W film you're talking about, is it copy film or something similar ? That might be still available. I'd say if you check silverprint or something you might find something.

DaireQuinlan

at home. Here's one of the ones I was talking about above. Nowhere near the contrast on that photo.net one, but it might give you a starting point.

melekalikimaka

DaireQuinlan wrote: »

at home. Here's one of the ones I was talking about above. Nowhere near the contrast on that photo.net one, but it might give you a starting point.

indeed i see but its just quite not the effect, it eliminates all mid tones pretty much another example of this technique is the famous

melekalikimaka

Fajitas! wrote: »

Develop for longer than you think you should, shake it lots. Tbh, test the lighting out on your digital before you worry about film - just to make sure you got it right.

Possibly, if you can get away from using 35mm, shoot directly onto paper, and reverse it in the darkroom.

yeah i plan to do about 2 or 3 mins longer, and agravating every 15 secs. I plan to test the xposure with digi first also thanks.


onto paper?

like pinhole it?

or wha?

DaireQuinlan

melekalikimaka wrote: »

You know Jim Fitzpatrick did that originally, right ? I think he actually traced it from Alberta Korda's original photograph. I get the idea though

Fajitas!

melekalikimaka wrote: »

yeah i plan to do about 2 or 3 mins longer, and agravating every 15 secs. I plan to test the xposure with digi first also thanks.


onto paper?

like pinhole it?

or wha?

Well, large format would work too. Hell, a bit of Blue Petering and you'd get it kicking with medium format!!!

Also, you could print, then reverse, then reprint, effectively blasting up the contrast each time.

melekalikimaka

Fajitas! wrote: »

Also, you could print, then reverse, then reprint, effectively blasting up the contrast each time.

good call

Fajitas!

No, this is a good call...







:pac:

melekalikimaka

Fajitas! wrote: »

No, this is a good call...







:pac:

yeah well its a assignment

it doesnt have to work, its the trying that counts lol

melekalikimaka

figured it out hopefully... fingers crossed

Fajitas!

Give us a look at the results when they're done, if you don't mind!?

Oh, and of course, let us know how you did it

melekalikimaka

em i plan to shoot on sh1t contrasty film, blow to fook out the highlights, lots of shadow, top down lighting, push film x20%, agrivate and em...see from there, doubt it'll need much more, if it does, oush up the contrast filters to 4 or 5 maybe

Fajitas!

Actually, going back to the gig photos of ye olden days, lack of technology meant 'togs underexposed by a hell of a lot, to ensure they got something, and then pushed film a smallish bit, before blasting in the contrast filters in the darkroom. As I said though, test your lighting with your DSLR - it's gonna be a hell of a lot easier if you nail the lighting.

melekalikimaka

aye aye

just need a black background now

ya think a few flashes will replace some studio lights?

melekalikimaka

two of the images taken with digi, settings replicated on film, for pp.


Halfway there.

melekalikimaka

success, i shall post up results once i get access to a decent scanner

i pushed by 20 per cent

used no.5 contrast filter

the photo i got, i created a photogram with another contrast 5 filter

then photogramed the photogram and the results were as i wanted, sadly the weakness in the whole proceedure was the image and its shadow locations... but the method was sound.

2 weeks of work paid off