Over and Underrated players.

homerjay2005

lads, i just read a certain post and how a certain player was the subject of being one of the best moments in this posters gaa life. i think this player, is perhaps the most over rated player of the last 15 years. i will not name him yet, i will let this thread unfold.

so, what players do you think are overrated and whilst we are at it, underrated?


btw, lads, this is not a thread to bash players, keep it above chilish comments please or else ill get blamed (again) for causing trouble:D:D:D. everybody is entitled to opinions, but please back it up.

Daysha

Overrated
Tipps Eoin Kelly. Don't get me wrong, he's a great hurler, but people still put him in the top 5 or 6 best players in the country, which I don't agree with. Fact is, he hasn't performed as well as he can for over 2 years now, and he needs a fantastic 2009 to get back in the same books as the Shefflins or McGraths in my eyes.

Ben O'Connor is another one. He's a good player, but not a great player, and he certainly didn't deserve an All-Star.

Players who do nothing but tap over easy frees, don't do much in play and suddenly people think he's automatically one of their best players because he gets so much points. While Joe Deane doesn't fall into that bracket anymore, he was top of that list for years.

UNDERRATED
Noel Hickey. I know some people think that he's one of the best players in the country, but they're wrong. He's THE best player in the country.

Clinton Hennessy. People will autmatically point the high number of goals Waterford concede compared to others, but a goalie relies heavily on his full back line. If Clinton was goalie for a team with a fare greater full back line, he'd have won numerous All Stars by now. He's strong, steady, very decisive in his decision making and his puckouts are very consistent as well.

VH

Over rated: Shefflin, Dan Shanahan, The Rock
Under rated: Waterford's Eoin Kelly, Joe Canning (if that's possible), Joe Deane

evil-monkey

Overrated: Patrick Cronin (massively), The Rock, Lar Corbett

Underrated: Timmy McCarthy (i don't car what anybody says, he does the donkey work), Noel Hickey

joulter

evil-monkey wrote: »

Overrated: Patrick Cronin (massively), The Rock, Lar Corbett

Underrated: Timmy McCarthy (i don't car what anybody says, he does the donkey work), Noel Hickey

thank god someone agrees...pa cronin should be put down

overrated: tommy walsh, dj carey, aidan o'mahony (worst actor ever!)

underrated: john mullane(probably d only player who wasnt tarnished after the all ireland), john power, wayne sherlock

homerjay2005

joulter wrote: »

aidan o'mahony (worst actor ever!)

are u mad? aidan o mahony is one of the best footballers in ireland. there is not question about that, 3 all irelands and 2, if not 3 all stars including 2 magnificent finals, one man of the match. your basing your bias towards him over one incident.

picking tommy walsh is lunacy also, the lad is only 20 and in his debut year, gets young player of the year. madness.

joulter

messin about o'mahony but id stick to my guns on tommy walsh has serious potential but definately not the best wing back in the country that probably jj and then some order of sean og,gardiner,tony browne before him

Daysha

homerjay2005 wrote: »

picking tommy walsh is lunacy also, the lad is only 20 and in his debut year, gets young player of the year. madness.

Somehow I get the feeling you're thinking of a different Tommy Walsh . I presume he's talking about the Tommy Walsh that patrols the Kilkenny half back line, who btw is not overrated either!

Daysha

Anyway Homer, why not enlighten us with your own picks?

hawkwing

deise59 wrote: »

Overrated
Tipps Eoin Kelly. Don't get me wrong, he's a great hurler, but people still put him in the top 5 or 6 best players in the country, which I don't agree with. Fact is, he hasn't performed as well as he can for over 2 years now, and he needs a fantastic 2009 to get back in the same books as the Shefflins or McGraths in my eyes.

Eoin Kelly has been only 40-50% of the player he was for the last 2 years as his pace is gone(hardly even gets a point from play for the club now),but Shefflin this year was poor and well off his best also,Ken Mc Grath despite being MOTM in the semi wasn't even nominated for an all star so he is hardly top 5 on current form either.

Daysha

hawkwing wrote: »

Eoin Kelly has been only 40-50% of the player he was for the last 2 years as his pace is gone(hardly even gets a point from play for the club now),but Shefflin this year was poor and well off his best also,Ken Mc Grath despite being MOTM in the semi wasn't even nominated for an all star so he is hardly top 5 on current form either.

Ken McGrath had a bad final
Eoin Kelly had a bad 2 years

Bit of a difference there. Plus I think we've already realised we can't dwell too much on All-Stars. John Mullane scored 2-21 from play over the Championship, was one of the top 5 players in the year, and didn't get an All-Star.

And I think my feelings on Shefflin are already known. I would still put him in the top bracket of players, but he didn't deserve an All-Star.

evil-monkey

joulter wrote: »

thank god someone agrees...pa cronin should be put down

overrated: tommy walsh, dj carey, aidan o'mahony (worst actor ever!)

underrated: john mullane(probably d only player who wasnt tarnished after the all ireland), john power, wayne sherlock

as both are now retired from intercounty hurling i dunno do they count. but i did think that Carey was very much overrated at the time. i dunno was Sherlock underrated, most people considered him as one of the finest corner backs in the country. speaking of Sherlock, I did feel that Fergal Ryan was underrated.

hawkwing

deise59 wrote: »

Ken McGrath had a bad final
Eoin Kelly had a bad 2 years

Bit of a difference there. Plus I think we've already realised we can't dwell too much on All-Stars. John Mullane scored 2-21 from play over the Championship, was one of the top 5 players in the year, and didn't get an All-Star.

And I think my feelings on Shefflin are already known. I would still put him in the top bracket of players, but he didn't deserve an All-Star.

Ken Mc Grath and Shefflin both had poor years by previous standards.All-Stars are not always correct but if you are not even nominated it kind of means you didn't have a great year.Mullane desreved one more than Canning,Eoin Kelly,Shefflin etc etc.

homerjay2005

tommy walsh is a super hurler. i think this lad is taking the p*ss with his post. trolling here looking for reaction!!!

my picks? ah ill keep thinking about it for a while , i hope to start a good debate on one particluar player.

keane2097

Overrated:

Ciaran Whelan, Stephen Cluxton - these two have a rake of undeserved all-stars just because the GAA like to keep the Dubs interested.

Shane Ryan - an average at best player who would struggle badly against any top tier competition.

Eoin Brosnan, Sean O'Sullivan - great men to kick over a few handy scores when Kerry are winning, but never have any impact in tough games. This thing of Kerry having a super panel is a mystery to me since these two are the only players ever brought on (along with the far superior Darren O'Sullivan)


Underrated:

Michéal Quirke - people in Kerry have been telling themselves that he's not up to Intercounty standard for so long now that they just believe it by default. He's been the best midfielder in Kerry for several years, putting on exhibitions every time he plays. See Kerin's O'Rahilly's drawn chamionship semi-final against the mighty South Kerry for proof. The man is superb.

I can't think of any more at the moment but there are probably loads.

Daysha

homerjay2005 wrote: »

tommy walsh is a super hurler. i think this lad is taking the p*ss with his post. trolling here looking for reaction!!!

Lol, I like how you're the one pleading in your OP to keep it civil and respect other peoples opinion, and then you go and call a poster a troll for not agreeing with his opinion :rolleyes:

evil-monkey

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i hope to start a good debate on one particluar player.

:rolleyes: ah c'mon throw it out there will ya. all this build up - it couldn't be that bad compared to some of the names that have been thrown out already...

Mr. Incognito

Over-rated.

The entire Dublin Football Panel. (RTE's fault really)
Waterfords Hurling full forward line. (they don't have the legs anymore)
Mike Frank Russell ( for god's sake's man, look around you, head down shooting)

Under-rated.
Wexford's achievment this year. If they hadn't gotten stage fright against Tyrone or if Forde hadn't been injured- who knows.
Galway in both codes. (They are percieved to be one man teams, they are not)
Pat O'Shea

corny

SetantaL wrote: »

Over-rated.

The entire Dublin Football Panel. (RTE's fault really)
Waterfords Hurling full forward line. (they don't have the legs anymore)
Mike Frank Russell ( for god's sake's man, look around you, head down shooting)

Under-rated.
Wexford's achievment this year. If they hadn't gotten stage fright against Tyrone or if Forde hadn't been injured- who knows.
Galway in both codes. (They are percieved to be one man teams, they are not)
Pat O'Shea

Thats a bit harsh. Overrated team as a whole perhaps but Dublin have some fine individual players.

Overrated: Tom O' Sullivan, the Meath team and Dan Shanahan.

Underrated: The Tyrone team, David O' Callaghan and Brian Cody.

keane2097

corny wrote: »

Thats a bit harsh. Overrated team as a whole perhaps but Dublin have some fine individual players.

Overrated: Tom O' Sullivan, the Meath team and Dan Shanahan.

:rolleyes:

blackbelt

Over-rated

Seamus Scanlon - How this player is on the Kerry team leaves me scratching my head.Terrible going forward and when Kerry are in trouble,he is a prime suspect of doing a disappearing act.Surely Kerry have a better midfielder.I'm thinking of Tommy Griffin.Pair him up with Daragh O Se and you have an extremely formidable Kerry midfield.

Paul Casey - Everytime Dublin concede a goal,he is most likely involved in the buildup play.Don't think he is cut out to be a regular wing back on the Dublin team.Maybe he is better used as a sub when the defenders begin to tire.

The entire Meath team bar their second choice goalkeeper who was immense in the IR series.;)

Conor Mortimor - Non existent in the big games and can hardly shoot outside 30 metres out.A good player but slightly over-rated in terms of ability.

Andy Moran (Mayo) - Mayo should have a better forward than Moran.He is always guilty of collecting the ball and putting the head down and eventually losing it.A factor that has cost Mayo especially this year against Tyrone.

Dessie Dolan - Again,good player but his tendency to miss the easiest of frees in games (Meath 2003) and (Dublin 2008) would make me question his composure and his ability to hold it together.Again,this may have cost Westmeath a provincial title or two.

Under-rated

Collie Moran - Gets a lot of stick for some reason which I think is undeserved.Certainly much better than what people have you believe.

Paul Griffin - One of the best defenders in the country and hasn't picked up much in the way of all-stars.

David Duffy - Still a very young player but Westmeath have a great asset in Duffy and he could work alongside Flanagan and possibly be the biggest threat to Dublins midfield in Leinster.

John Doyle - There was even a thread dedicated to this player.:pac: but he is certainly overlooked by the pundits every year or when Kildare have a run when he is the influential element.

Darren O Sullivan - A hot prospect in the Kerry forward line.One of the best pure footballers in the Kerry panel yet seems to be left on the bench.Wasted ability in my eyes.

cruiserweight

blackbelt wrote: »

Under-rated

David Duffy - Still a very young player but Westmeath have a great asset in Duffy and he could work alongside Flanagan and possibly be the biggest threat to Dublins midfield in Leinster.

You forgot to mention that he is your cousin

Yavvy

your all idiots... but that aside I tend to disagree with most of the posts in this thread.
anywho there is a few "reported posts" comming to my attention..well there always was going to be in this thread. If you disagree with a post dont accuse them of trolling or roll eyes..either make an adult responce or hush up.

If you are going to troll expect a banning

Most under rated player in Ireland : Me ( never got a chance) and if its possible I think Tomas O'se is under rated.

Over rated player : there are loads but I would have to go with Brian sheehan

Over rated team : Cork (football)

homerjay2005

evil-monkey wrote: »

:rolleyes: ah c'mon throw it out there will ya. all this build up .

ok lads, im going to risk the wrath of mayo folk here. my main reason for starting the thread - its kieran mcdonald. i think he is the most overrated player of the last 20 years. when i think of him, i think of the pony tailed whimp that played against kerry in 97 and made a fool of himself missing 21 yard frees and the like. i just cant see it, yes he got a few great scores here and there, but every man on this board posses the ability to do great things.

he is a man, that constantly lost mayo games, more so than win them, yet mayo fans, most of which hated him for year after year until 2006, now rate him as one of their best ever players. its baffing.

mayo has a habit of making superstars from average players. marty mcnicholas was another, even james nallen was a player i could never see the fuss over, conor mortimor another, even his brother trevor.

pierce o neill is another overrated lad, as is bernard brogan.

underrated, lots of them, cant believe some of them area already listed here as overrated, like tom sullivan. eoin brosnan is alot better than people say. the thing is, they are not really rated enough to be overrated, if you know what i mean. further a field, there are many, just cant think of excellent examples right now....it will come to me tomorrow.

alany, apologies for earlier post, but come on, i think you and everybody on here can see where im coming from.

The_Kew_Tour

Over-rated.

This has to be D.J Carey for me the man did not score in 3 All-Ireland finals. He loved himself so much if he was a lollipop he lick himself. When it came to many crunch games he went missing big time.

Jason Sherlock.Still living of a fluke goal in 1995 and yes it was a fluke. He was destroyed that day in semi final but sure the Dubs are bit like the English footie fan they seize anything to hang to.

Under-rated

This hard one really i'll go with Ben O Connor in hurling the man just class and only his second all-star wtf.

The_Kew_Tour

Alany wrote: »

Over rated team : Cork (football)

Agree to extent on that point although nobody really thinks they are that great.

They have been really lucky in the 1/4 final draw for past three years and have yet to play any decent Ulster team in that time.

But other then Kerry and Tyrone who would beat them when ya think of it???

Dublin?? well after 1/4 final against Tyrone they still have much to do to prove it. Armagh and Wexfords do too.

There overrated in terms of teams who were third/fouth best team in past years but this year they properlyy are the best outside of Tyrone/Kerry

keane2097

adrian280582 wrote: »

But other then Kerry and Tyrone who would beat them when ya think of it???

I'd say Monaghan and Galway would both give them a good run for it.

On topic I think these are actually two extremely underrated temas, especially Monaghan.

evil-monkey

Alany wrote: »

Over rated team : Cork (football)

i didn't realise that they were rated highly. they certainly aren't down here on Leeside!!

evil-monkey

homerjay2005 wrote: »

ok lads, im going to risk the wrath of mayo folk here. my main reason for starting the thread - its kieran mcdonald.

not worth the build-up you gave it at all...

homerjay2005

evil-monkey wrote: »

not worth the build-up you gave it at all...

really? man, i live with mayo lads and they love him, mayo people perhaps get more carried away than anyother county in ireland. im waiting for reaction here of the mayo lads...can you defend him lads? am i wrong about him?


who were you expecting btw? :pac:

Daysha

I was half expecting John Mullane tbh.

But monkey's right, that was kind of anti-climactic. I never thought he was fantastic or anything either. Of course, players are always hyped up more so than usual in their home counties.

caesar

homerjay2005 wrote: »

really? man, i live with mayo lads and they love him, mayo people perhaps get more carried away than anyother county in ireland. im waiting for reaction here of the mayo lads...can you defend him lads? am i wrong about him?


who were you expecting btw? :pac:

Who was I expecting?.....well the minute I saw the thread title I thought his name would be mentioned. Then when you said that you were holding off mentioning his name, I was thinking it might be him. After a few posts you again said you'd hold off mentioning who it was cause it would cause a good debate....well then I was fairly sure.

Anyway I dont agree, am I biased.....well maybe. I dont think he is overrated, I think its more that the rest of the country missed out on his talent because he didn't play when he was at his best.

Why didnt he play....well the so called fans that love him so much weren't anywhere to be seen the day he got booed off the pitch up in Fermanagh during a league game a few years back. His sister left the ground crying that day. Sure he might have kicked a few wides but what about the rest of the team. It was a league game for Christ sake. It disgusts me that fans can boo one of their own, I just cant understand it.

And to make things clear Im not just on about Ciaran, it happened in Tyrone as well to Mark Harte after a game.....absolutely disgraceful.

I not sure what happened this year - as in why he didn't play. Of course I heard rumors but I'd never believe these.

Lastly, the perception people have about him really sickens me. I dont know him personally but from what I do know he is a nice guy and he is not full of himself. He keeps very much to himself....maybe a bit too much.

And you are right, Mayo people do get carried away whether they are berating a player or praising them. You would think with the quality of club football in mayo that there would be some thing to show for it at county level.

Anyway my picks:

Overrated:

Connor Mortimer(slightly)
Maurice Sheridan.....he was purely a free taker, thats all.
Ben O'Connor, although Im not sure if Im right, he just isnt a player that sticks out in my mind.

Underrated:

James Nallen, you can always rely on Jimmy. He doesnt get half enough praise imo.
Darren O'Sullivan, it baffles me sometimes as to why he doesnt start.

NDM

The most over-rated footballer in the country by a mile is Ciaran Whelan followed closely by Jason Sherlock. Over-rated hurlers are Dan Shanahan and Joe Canning(hes good but he too much hype around him)

As for underated, there really are so many lads who you could pick...chiefly Darren o' Sullivan and also Brian Dooher(doesnt get the recognition he deserves)

homerjay2005

good honest post there caesar, sums everything up perfectly i tink. we will just disagree on nallan

homerjay2005

Alany wrote: »

your all idiots..

Reported .

Alany wrote: »

Over rated team : Cork (football)

ah ok then,maybe not!:D

Frilly Keane

Over Rated

DJ never scored against Cork Carey
Dan the Sham "you'll always know when Waterford are in Trouble ...they'll bring on Dan Shanahan" mgg 2003
Johnny Pilkington
Ollie Canning

Ciaran Whelan
Mike Francis Russell
Johnny Cash/ Crowley
Liam McHale


Underrated

Johnny Dooley
Tommy Dunne
Joe Deane
Timmy McCarthy
Charlie Carter (I'd be very pissed off if I were him to be honest)

Cork Football Panel 08
Maurice Fitzgerald (they should build a statue to the man)
Paul Curren

homerjay2005

lads, is/was peter canavan over rated?

i mena, in tyrone, he is classed as the greatest footballer ever and some people rate him as that outside of it..dont see it myself to be honest.


i do find some of the opinions amusing though, especially DJ carey.

The_Kew_Tour

keane2097 wrote: »

I'd say Monaghan and Galway would both give them a good run for it.

On topic I think these are actually two extremely underrated temas, especially Monaghan.

I give ya Galway yes think I should have included them although think they just slight bit short of Cork at moment but no doubt on the rise I agree.

Now Monaghan are not better then Cork simple as that might beat them once every ten games (anyteam can beat anyteam on there day look at Antrim v Cats early in year) but quite simply there not ever going get any further then 1/4 final chance at best.

megadodge

I want to thank Cesar for saving me a lot of typing on Ciaran McDonald.

I am from Roscommon and as a result of 20 years of beatings (with 2 1-point exceptions) from Mayo I have a pathological hatred of Mayo football as an entity, so when I row in here very much in McDonald's favour it should be heeded.

The guy was a genius !!

He disappointed early in his career with his inconsistency (eg. 1997 final), but for God's sake that was over 10 years ago. What he has done since CONSISTENTLY is produce brilliant display after brilliant display against all types of opposition. Even on Mayo's darker days in Croker he always shone when all those around him were choking and he never stopped trying. When his club won the All-Ireland who got Man of the Match ?? He did.

He even changed my opinion that two guys marking each other can't each have a great match, when his marker Francie Grehan got MOM in the 2001 Connacht Final, but Mc scored 4 points from play and was a massive threat right throughout.

In the same match myself and a number of seperate Roscommon supporters actually turned on a few Mayo idiots behind us who never stopped whinging about McDonald. It was disgusting to listen to.

I am 100% certain that if he had a dark brown tight haircut and no tatoos we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I'll certainly miss him performing on the pitch, despite the fact that it's good for Roscommon, because that type of class is a very, very rare thing.

Waylander

adrian280582 wrote: »

I give ya Galway yes think I should have included them although think they just slight bit short of Cork at moment but no doubt on the rise I agree.

Now Monaghan are not better then Cork simple as that might beat them once every ten games (anyteam can beat anyteam on there day look at Antrim v Cats early in year) but quite simply there not ever going get any further then 1/4 final chance at best.

I disagree with that, I think Monaghon are a better team than Cork. In fact I think Cork are probably the most over rated team in the country.

megadodge

lads, is/was peter canavan over rated?

Now you're just trying to stir it.

kevmy

blackbelt wrote: »

Over-rated

Conor Mortimor - Non existent in the big games and can hardly shoot outside 30 metres out.A good player but slightly over-rated in terms of ability.

Andy Moran (Mayo) - Mayo should have a better forward than Moran.He is always guilty of collecting the ball and putting the head down and eventually losing it.A factor that has cost Mayo especially this year against Tyrone

I'll agree with you with reservations on both counts.

Mortimor is over-rated by people who hear talk about him but not actually go to see him playing. Those who have seen him over the last 10 years know exactly what to expect. A lively corner forward who will give most backs trouble, a very accurate free kick taker in his range. He has plenty of drawbacks though, as you mentioned can't score out 35 yards, has only one foot and needs a good supply of ball.
Those who say he goes missing on big days generally mean AI finals, which he did but only because we went missing around the middle midfield.

Moran is a good player who hasn't brought his best to the Championship this year. I'm convinced there is more in him. He'll never be a great player though.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

ok lads, im going to risk the wrath of mayo folk here. my main reason for starting the thread - its kieran mcdonald. i think he is the most overrated player of the last 20 years. when i think of him, i think of the pony tailed whimp that played against kerry in 97 and made a fool of himself missing 21 yard frees and the like. i just cant see it, yes he got a few great scores here and there, but every man on this board posses the ability to do great things.

he is a man, that constantly lost mayo games, more so than win them, yet mayo fans, most of which hated him for year after year until 2006, now rate him as one of their best ever players. its baffing.

mayo has a habit of making superstars from average players. marty mcnicholas was another, even james nallen was a player i could never see the fuss over, conor mortimor another, even his brother trevor.

McDonald always split opinion especially outside the county. Probably cos he was a totally unique player. Very few like him in all the country.
His great weaknesses imo were inconsistency and trying too hard. He wanted to do everything. Went it came off he was brilliant, when it didn't it brought the whole team down.
Still thought if you saw some of the things he done, very few players had that ability. His two goals against Galway in 98, his first half for Cross in the club final, his games against Ros and Galway in 04, Dublin in 06 all fantastic.
Not saying now that he didn't make mistakes but on his best he done stuff no other player in the country bar Maurice Fitz could do

As for your other comments no one ever really rated Marty McNicholas as a top class intercounty player.

Your mad about Jimmy Nallen thought one of the true giants of the recent game. Unfortunate in that his best didn't conincide with Mayo's best. Maybe you don't notice him cos he's not flashy but a quite monster. A gent off and on the pitch

megadodge

Overrated:

Sean Og de Paor - Very good going forward, but a sub-standard defender. There was a stage when I could list off a long line of matches where his direct marker was either MOM or in the running for it, but he got away with it cos of a neat point and a few nice pieces of sweeping up breaking balls.

James McGarry - KK goalie. I might receive stick here because of the tragedy he suffered, but that is a seperate matter. I can honestly say I never saw him make a good save ! EVER !! People will say it was cos he had such a good full back line in front of him, but over the years they conceded plenty of goals and he never came close to stopping any of them. Davy Fitz had a great full back line but when the occasions arose he was ready. McGarry never got an All-star because he just wasn't as good as Davy Fitz, Cummins, Fitzhenry, Cusack or Hennessy.

Underrated:

Maurice Fitzgerald - The very best footballer I ever saw !! His nerves of steel were often overlooked because it's often incorrectly assumed when you're as ridiculously skillful as he was something else has to suffer. Not in his case. A major regret in my life is that I only saw him live once.

Ollie Canning - The best man-marker I've ever seen in hurling. He has taken on all the greats of his era and owned them and never had to resort to dirt, he just out-hurled them.

Daysha

megadodge wrote: »

James McGarry - KK goalie. I might receive stick here because of the tragedy he suffered, but that is a seperate matter. I can honestly say I never saw him make a good save ! EVER !! People will say it was cos he had such a good full back line in front of him, but over the years they conceded plenty of goals and he never came close to stopping any of them. Davy Fitz had a great full back line but when the occasions arose he was ready. McGarry never got an All-star because he just wasn't as good as Davy Fitz, Cummins, Fitzhenry, Cusack or Hennessy.

:eek: Completely forgot about him. Yeah, he'd definitely be on my list.

K-9

homerjay2005 wrote: »

lads, is/was peter canavan over rated?

i mena, in tyrone, he is classed as the greatest footballer ever and some people rate him as that outside of it..dont see it myself to be honest.


i do find some of the opinions amusing though, especially DJ carey.

Well Canavan nearly won an All Ireland on his own in 95!

I do think he dipped from then to 01 and if he'd kept injury free in 03 and 05 we'd have seen how great he was! Still wasn't half bad!

Over rated:

B. Devenney
M. Hegarty
S. McDonnell (good but not great)
M. Meehan (still not convinced)
F. Bellew (since 04)

Under rated

T. Boyle
T. Boyle
and T. Boyle!

keane2097

adrian280582 wrote: »

I give ya Galway yes think I should have included them although think they just slight bit short of Cork at moment but no doubt on the rise I agree.

Now Monaghan are not better then Cork simple as that might beat them once every ten games (anyteam can beat anyteam on there day look at Antrim v Cats early in year) but quite simply there not ever going get any further then 1/4 final chance at best.

I think Monaghan would beat Galway more often than not.

homerjay2005

megadodge wrote: »

Now you're just trying to stir it.

no, im genuine. seriously lads, they say this lad is the greatest of all time up there and this whole "peter the great" craic annoys me.

keane2097

homerjay2005 wrote: »

no, im genuine. seriously lads, they say this lad is the greatest of all time up there and this whole "peter the great" craic annoys me.

Maurice Fitzgerald was far superior imo.

DDC1990

Overrated- Peter Canavan- Not saying he wasn't a good footballer but as homer said, all this "Peter the Great" stuff, is bull! He was Peter "the consistantly good"!

Brian Sheehan- Lazyiest player in the county, in the team for his free taking... and missed 3 vital ones in the final against Tyrone.

Eoin Brosnan- Was always great for a goal, but since he lost his pace he has been hopeless!

Ciarán Wheelan- Big brute, made some great catches but never seen him play a full 70.

Colin Moran: Never had much time for him. Plain useless if you ask me. Piller's lap-dog IMO.

I've seen Scanlon and Mike Frank mentioned... whoever said that is smoking something Scanlon is our greatest prospect at midfield in years. Fantastic fielder, great distributer and has worked very hard on his shooting. (See his 2 vs Cork!)
Mike Frank- A legend! One of the best footballers around from 1997-2004 INCLUDING Peter "the consistantly good". Could kick a point from any angle!

Underrated:
Darran O'Sullivan & Donnacha Walsh - Both lads should have played in the final. Pat O'Shea seemed to have some aversion to nippy wing forwards?

Mark Vaughan: Everytime i've seen him he's delivered... far better prsopect the Mossy Quinn.

Joe Canning: He's so highly rated, you'd think it impossible that he would be underrated, but he is a scoring Machine! Strong, Decent Pace, and the ability to connect with the Sliotar no matter how many men are on top of him.

Maurice Fitzgerald: Legend ... Enough Said.

Overrated team: Rebels (H and F)

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Overated hurlers:Sean og (take as many steps as u like) o halpin
Ollie Canning.Got all stars for nothing
Cathal Naughton
The Rock
Big Dan
Brian Corcoran when he returned to cork set up

Underated Hurlers: Derek Lyng
Eamon Corcoran (tipp)
Jackie Tyrell
Brendan Murtagh (westmeath) could play in any team

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Canavan was off-the-scale. I'm from Tyrone btw, but I'm no less biased than some of his detractors on this topic