New Car Opinions

Jimbo

Hey,

I'm considering getting a new car in January and would like your opinions.

I have an max budget of about €27k - €28k.

It has to be diesel, have reasonable power, look good and low tax.

Two I have in mind are

• Opel Astra Sport hatch 1.7CDTi
• VW Golf GT 1.9 TDi - Mark VI

Any opinions on the above or any other suggestions? Thanks

bikki

How about this.

2009 subaru legacy diesel

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Subaru/Legacy/2.0-Boxe/200840190271610/advert

nice nice car.

sungear

Cant say Ive been much of a VW fan and definitely not opel, had an opel van and just went off them,
1.8 focus ghia looks nice and not much more than the zetec since tax change
or auris semi auto gearbox? but its only a 1.4

ChapOfDRyans

i wouldnt bother gettin an astra have one myself and there dodgey out.

Better off with the golf imo

Jimbo

bikki wrote: »

How about this.

2009 subaru legacy diesel

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Subaru/Legacy/2.0-Boxe/200840190271610/advert

nice nice car.

I like that. It'd be stretching me a bit though.
Why is there no diesel Impreza available?

Biro

bikki wrote: »

How about this.

2009 subaru legacy diesel

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Subaru/Legacy/2.0-Boxe/200840190271610/advert

nice nice car.

+ 1.

Biro

jimbo78 wrote: »

I like that. It'd be stretching me a bit though.
Why is there no diesel Impreza available?

There will be very soon.

napapa

ChapOfDRyans wrote: »

i wouldnt bother gettin an astra have one myself and there dodgey out.

Better off with the golf imo

whats the issue with the astra?

Berty

€28470 for the Golf GT TDI Sport 2.0 140BHP. Pocket Rocket!!!

Would love one personally. Its part of my list of cars for my new company car for 2010 amongst others.

Jimbo

sungear wrote: »

Cant say Ive been much of a VW fan and definitely not opel, had an opel van and just went off them,
1.8 focus ghia looks nice and not much more than the zetec since tax change
or auris semi auto gearbox? but its only a 1.4

Yea forgot about the focus. It's definately a runner.

I can't find the differences between the trims on the site though.

Biro

Pocket Rocket is stretching it a bit... (or a lot)

Biro

jimbo78 wrote: »

Yea forgot about the focus. It's definately a runner.

I can't find the differences between the trims on the site though.

You should try the Mazda 3 too.

Berty

Biro wrote: »

Pocket Rocket is stretching it a bit... (or a lot)

Hardly. The weight of the car, the torque and the bhp all add up to an extremely nippy little car.

Couple that with better trim, brakes, suspension, wheels and other ashtetic differences.

A little less than the GTI and much better than the mentioned focus. The best focus is the STI but its not in Diesel. The interior of the astra is all a bit plastic.

Biro

quirke_folder wrote: »

Hardly. The weight of the car, the torque and the bhp all add up to an extremely nippy little car.

Couple that with better trim, brakes, suspension, wheels and other ashtetic differences.

A little less than the GTI and much better than the mentioned focus. The best focus is the STI but its not in Diesel. The interior of the astra is all a bit plastic.

The '92 Civic SIR was a pocket rocket. A Golf is neither "pocket" or "rocket". It's grand with that 2 litre diesel, not a bad option for sure. But rocket is stretching it a good bit. And a GTI would embarrass it, which could potentially be called a rocket (but even that is pushing it in this day and age!)

bikki

jimbo78 wrote: »

I like that. It'd be stretching me a bit though.
Why is there no diesel Impreza available?

You could probably pick up a 2008 diesel in your price range.

And the boxer diesel engine is only a new development in the high performance Subaru range

Gumbo

Skoda Octavia VRS TDi 170bhp

veetwin

jimbo78 wrote: »

I like that. It'd be stretching me a bit though.
Why is there no diesel Impreza available?

I'm sure if you went into a Subaru dealership with €27k in your hand for a new Legacy he would bite your hand off..

Seriously it's an awful lot of car for the money. Much better value than the Golf and better in every respect than the Astra. Not convinced by the looks of the Impreza.

R.O.R

kceire wrote: »

Skoda Octavia VRS TDi 170bhp

+1

It's the first option that sprang to mind.

A bit of bargaining should get you in to a 09 manual, or if you can find an ex. demo 08 DSG you'd be a happy man.

Mr.David

kceire wrote: »

Skoda Octavia VRS TDi 170bhp

+2

Superb car, extremely reliable and practical too.

If you can, get the DSG box. You can pick up one with only demo miles on it over here (UK) for about £11-12k.

regedit

kceire wrote: »

Skoda Octavia VRS TDi 170bhp

+1

tv3

There is threads here answering your question already instead of telling us all again !

ninty9er

tv3 wrote: »

There is threads here answering your question already instead of telling us all again !

Cars are a fluid product. Prices, market conditions and models are constantly changing. Regulars here would have already said what you're saying if it was true.

Now on topic

Alfa Romeo 147 1.9 JTD DUCATI SS 170BHP
31k apparently. but I'm sure any Alfa dealers that are left at this stage would do a straight deal for €28k

Citroen C4 1.6 HDI 110BHP STYLE PLUS EGS €22k. You could probably add a few options and still get it for that price.

Fiat Bravo 1.9 MULTIJET 150 BHP SPORT. €27k, see the Alfa comment above, plus it's MUCH better looking:D:D

Honda Civic 2.2 I-CTDI SE-S. €28k and I don't imagine much wriggle room.

Mazda Mazda6 2.0 TDI 140BHP EXECUTIVE SE. €30k, but it is a Mazda, so bulletproof and all as it is, you could batter the new price based on poor residual...

cashmni1

Mr.David wrote: »

+2

Superb car, extremely reliable and practical too.

If you can, get the DSG box. You can pick up one with only demo miles on it over here (UK) for about £11-12k.

+3
DSG all the way

cashmni1

tv3 wrote: »

There isare threads here answering your question already instead of telling us all again !

What do you mean by that?
The OP asked for an opinion, which is what they are getting, but not from you.

unkel

tv3 wrote: »

There is threads here answering your question already instead of telling us all again !

If you've nothing useful to contribute, I'd prefer if you didn't post at all...

groupb

quirke_folder wrote: »

€28470 for the Golf GT TDI Sport 2.0 140BHP. Pocket Rocket!!!

Would love one personally. Its part of my list of cars for my new company car for 2010 amongst others.

Try following a focus on a bad road in your "rocket".
OP , I would definitly test the focus diesel as well.

SomeDude

groupb wrote: »

Try following a focus on a bad road in your "rocket".
OP , I would definitly test the focus diesel as well.

Here we go again....is there anyone out there that dislikes VAG cars more than this guy

Tony Broke

Mitsubishi Lancer 2.0 DI-D

Class looking car, fast, reliable, quite cheap.

tv3

unkel wrote: »

If you've nothing useful to contribute, I'd prefer if you didn't post at all...

Ok boss:rolleyes:

ninty9er

Tony Broke wrote: »

Mitsubishi Lancer 2.0 DI-D

Class looking car, fast, reliable, quite cheap.

Not available here yet though.

galwaytt

ninty9er wrote: »

Mazda Mazda6 2.0 TDI 140BHP EXECUTIVE SE. €30k, but it is a Mazda, so bulletproof and all as it is, ...

Oh really.........?? I don't think so !! I've a 5k bill for one of those engines sitting in my garage, so you couldn't give me one of those for free.

Actually, you could. But only to take the engine out and put it in my own yoke !:D

galwaytt

ninty9er wrote: »

Alfa Romeo 147 1.9 JTD DUCATI SS 170BHP
31k apparently. but I'm sure any Alfa dealers that are left at this stage would do a straight deal for €28k..

eh? what's a Ducati Alfa ??

Jimbo

Tony Broke wrote: »

Mitsubishi Lancer 2.0 DI-D

Class looking car, fast, reliable, quite cheap.

They are cheap and look good, but there seems to be no diesel in the new range

ninty9er

galwaytt wrote: »

Oh really.........?? I don't think so !! I've a 5k bill for one of those engines sitting in my garage, so you couldn't give me one of those for free.

Actually, you could. But only to take the engine out and put it in my own yoke !:D

A 140 engine??? It's only been available since the introduction of the MKII. The previous one was 145, surely they managed to fix the fault at production.

Tony Broke

ninty9er wrote: »

Not available here yet though.

Really

Thats incredible.We really do get shafted here

Tony Broke

Fabulous looking car too, especially the Ralliart

ninty9er

Tony Broke wrote: »

Really

Thats incredible.We really do get shafted here

They have a 1.8 MIVEC Auto in the UK and a hatch that looks like an Chevy Lacetti:eek::eek:

PaulKK

SomeDude wrote: »

groupb wrote:

Try following a focus on a bad road in your "rocket".
OP , I would definitly test the focus diesel as well.

Here we go again....is there anyone out there that dislikes VAG cars more than this guy

I seriously doubt it, I don't know anyone who hates VAG cars so much or who loves Ford more.

dome22

New Megane Coupe 1,9 130bhp due this month, looks good on paper anyway, may be worth a look, tax bracket B I believe, just hope it's better than the last heart breaker

VolvoMan

galwaytt wrote: »

eh? what's a Ducati Alfa ??

They're a special edition currently available: http://www.carzone.ie/search/Alfa-Romeo/147/DUCATI-L/200840190247272/advert

Quite nice they are too.

Bluefoam

You will get an Alfa 147 with a savage spec for that money.Full leather etc...

E92

dome22 wrote: »

New Megane Coupe 1,9 130bhp due this month, looks good on paper anyway, may be worth a look, tax bracket B I believe, just hope it's better than the last heart breaker

I could be wrong, but I don't think we will be offered that engine.

Just the 1.5 dCi in 90 bhp and 110 bhp are all we're meant to be getting, along with the 1.6 petrol(the new Mégane won't have a naturally aspirated 1.4, instead a 1.4 TCE is coming next year with 130 bhp).

Tony Broke wrote: »

Really

Thats incredible.We really do get shafted here

We will be getting it, first deliveries in January.

It is rather inefficient though, with CO2 values of 165 g/km(minimum, some do 173 g/km) putting it firmly in band D, while the 1.5 petrol is in band C, so I don't really know what the point of it is.

Oh and the diesel is actually a VAG unit, and one of those rattly PD units at that.

There will be a new 1.8 DI-D(at least I think it's a 1.8) engine next year which is Mitsubishi's own design, and presumably will be greener and therefore cheaper.

ninty9er wrote: »

A 140 engine??? It's only been available since the introduction of the MKII. The previous one was 145, surely they managed to fix the fault at production.

They're actually the same engine, just different power outputs IIRC. Presumably there have been technical improvements though so that the newer engines won't go belly up like the older ones, I'm sure Mazda doesn't want to lose its reputation for reliability.

For 2009 this engine will be withdrawn, and replaced by a 2.2 in 120, 163 and 185 bhp guises. Which is heavily related to the 2.0 by the way.

ninty9er wrote: »

Honda Civic 2.2 I-CTDI SE-S.

+1.

I think it's the best option, loads of power gadgets, great looks(I think the outside and inside are terriffic) and Honda reliability. What more do you need really?

VolvoMan

E92 wrote: »

I think it's the best option, loads of power gadgets, great looks(I think the outside and inside are terriffic) and Honda reliability. What more do you need really?

But at 27k+ it's a feckin' fortune!:eek:

E92

VolvoMan wrote: »

But at 27k+ it's a feckin' fortune!:eek:

The OP's budget is €27-28k, so the Civic diesel is within budget for the OP, and even more so after a discount which should be easily obtainable given the state of the market at present.

ninty9er

E92 wrote: »

The OP's budget is €27-28k, so the Civic diesel is within budget for the OP, and even more so after a discount which should be easily obtainable given the state of the market at present.

On a special order Civic??? It's not like there's going to be one hanging around somewhere gathering rain.

I'd say there's more chance of pigs flying than a substantial discount on that particular car.

VolvoMan

ninty9er wrote: »

On a special order Civic??? It's not like there's going to be one hanging around somewhere gathering rain.

I'd say there's more chance of pigs flying than a substantial discount on that particular car.

They aren't that great a car either. The rear three quarter view is quite frankly shocking and it uses a very unsophisticated 'cheap to make' type of suspension. Apparently early cars haven't been that reliable by Honda standards either.

Bluefoam

How did this turn into a discussion on Honda Civics?

Please keep it on topic: Alfa 149

VolvoMan

Bluefoam wrote: »

How did this turn into a discussion on Honda Civics?

Please keep it on topic: Alfa 149

That car is about a year away yet, it can't come soon enough.