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cannabis and the martial arts

  • 28-10-2008 07:07PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭


    allo

    I saw an interesting Youtube video today where Joe Rogan (? - ) a US comedian, writer etc talked about using cannabis before he went out on the mat for BJJ.
    he spoke of training 4 times a week and training with some highly ranked US players who also used cannabis in conjuction with their BJJ training.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMLSyOMiYd4&feature=related


    anyone else have experience of this?

    on a personal note i used to train in a gym where i worked and loved nothing more than having a shmoke befor a good workout.

    as with many things cannabis helped me to focus better and move into 'the zone' when training.
    i know of others who also use cannabis as an aid to sports training.

    anyone else? :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Lab_Mouse


    You'd be surprised at who smokes/doesnt smoke dope but I doubt you will get many admitting it on this forum try after hours:)

    Having said that its not a performance enhancing drug.Any one remember the american snow boarder that won bronze at the winter olympics in japan who tested positive for marijuana..he claimed he was at a party where grass was being smoked and he inhaled it passively(yeah right:rolleyes:).Was allowed to keep his bit of brass,

    could be worse you could take steroids(does funny things to yer balls apparently,gives you muscles in the wrong places)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Nothingcompares


    nah i don't roll while stoned, but i do all my clinch training on pills, it's good for hugging


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    Lab_Mouse wrote: »
    Having said that its not a performance enhancing drug.

    Depends on your personality really. If you're someone whose nerves might severely affect performance then it's a performance enhancing drug.

    I should say I'm clean as a whistle. Wouldn't want to hit someone in the head any other way. If something went wrong well at least I wouldn't have to wrestle with that horrible guilt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭Tim_Murphy


    I've been meaning to do this ever since I read the intro to Eddie Bravo's rubber guard book but have yet to get around to it...
    Sounds like great craic. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭roneythetube


    yeah its an interesting one. i don't think it could be classed as a performance enhancing drug. cannabis culture plays a significant role in the skateboarding/snowboarding/surfboarding communities.

    did any of you ever read 'a fighters heart' by sam sheridan? a great book where he describes the significant cannabis culture among the BJJ community where he trained in Brazil.

    though i suppose cannabis culture is widespread in Brazil and it would be used in a variety of activities from football to capoiera to volleyball all the way to BJJ and beyond.

    Personally i find cannabis enhances all sport. from a gym workout, to stretches at home to going for a good long run. i am a judo beginner and love to get on the mat after a fat bong! :D

    anyone else dare to admit to it!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭Maldini2706


    yeah its an interesting one. i don't think it could be classed as a performance enhancing drug.

    Personally i find cannabis enhances all sport. from a gym workout, to stretches at home to going for a good long run.

    Aren't those two statements contradictory? Rogan, Bravo and loads of other BJJ and MMA stars say that smoking before rolling or fighting kind of clarifies your thought patterns and makes everything more fluid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭Charlie3dan


    I think if people wanna smoke before training that's up to them, but saying it clarifies things and makes transitions more fluid sounds like someone trying to justify it to themselves.

    I personally knock back a few beers before training cos being langers increases my pain threshold.:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭Tim_Murphy


    I think if people wanna smoke before training that's up to them, but saying it clarifies things and makes transitions more fluid sounds like someone trying to justify it to themselves.
    Eddie Bravo and others swear by it and make a big deal about telling others about it. That doesn't sound like people trying to 'justify it to themselves' IMO.

    I'd love to try to but have never gotten around to it, plus the Tribal Warfare drug testing program is pretty stringent so I could get myself in trouble. ;) But then again there isn't a TW coming up for a while...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭roneythetube


    yeah . defo things become more fluid..have to check out this eddie bravo chap.
    bruce lee also was known to use cannabis..as did many chinese .

    just wondered who here in ireland combines martial arts and cannabis?.

    and as for drinking before sport! well i have tried it..it certainly does not enhance my game. maybe darts/pool but certainly not judo:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Lab_Mouse wrote: »
    could be worse you could take steroids(does funny things to yer balls apparently,gives you muscles in the wrong places)

    It should be noted that steroids are illegal and something that is only allowed on boards for the sake of open discussion.

    One of my rules though is that you must know what you are talking about, so please, knock the sensationalism on the head please.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    I think if people wanna smoke before training that's up to them, but saying it clarifies things and makes transitions more fluid sounds like someone trying to justify it to themselves.

    I personally knock back a few beers before training cos being langers increases my pain threshold.:rolleyes:

    I've rolled a few times with people after a smoke. What did i find? I was a bit more relaxed, a bit happier to be there, a bit more willing to flow with the go if you would.

    I've only been to a few classes but would never go into one stoned. I just think it would be a bit disrespectful to my fellow MAers and my Instructor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Dragan wrote: »
    It should be noted that steroids are illegal and something that is only allowed on boards for the sake of open discussion.
    Whereas cannabis is... legal now?

    As a guy with a troublesome social conscience I can't in all honesty pay into an industry that promotes and pays for gangs, death and violence. Even if my money is paying for what is obviously a benign drug, it's also paying for heroin importation and supply.

    Maybe something to think about. Probably you'll ignore it though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭Tim_Murphy


    Roper wrote: »
    Whereas cannabis is... legal now?

    As a guy with a troublesome social conscience I can't in all honesty pay into an industry that promotes and pays for gangs, death and violence. Even if my money is paying for what is obviously a benign drug, it's also paying for heroin importation and supply.

    Maybe something to think about. Probably you'll ignore it though.
    I take it you only buy Fair Trade goods too so Barry?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Roper wrote: »
    Whereas cannabis is... legal now?

    As a guy with a troublesome social conscience I can't in all honesty pay into an industry that promotes and pays for gangs, death and violence. Even if my money is paying for what is obviously a benign drug, it's also paying for heroin importation and supply.

    Maybe something to think about. Probably you'll ignore it though.

    No, the discussion of any illegal drug is under the same rule. If someone came on here and said cannabis is harmless and a must for competition then i would ban them, the same as if they said it about steroids.

    And yes Barry, i'm really not in the mood for this turning into a social debate.

    If people want to pontificate on stuff then fine, once they can show they have some kind of actual information on what they are talking about.

    "does funny things to your balls, give you muscles in the wrong places" doesn't cut it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Tim_Murphy wrote: »
    I take it you only buy Fair Trade goods too so Barry?
    No because the notion of fair trade is falacious. The link between the narcotics trade and how "not very nice" people make their money is very direct and in some cases, living beside me.:mad:

    I support the legalisation of cannabis for medicinal and social uses by the by, until that happens though I won't be rolling with it on board unless I go to Amsterdam :D. I've just seen too much direct damage to bring myself in good conscience to pay into that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭silat liam


    I have to say, if I discovered someone in my class, was smoking cannabis, just before they start training in one of my classes, they would very quickly and politely be asked to stop training that evening. If it happens a second time then they wouldn't be back. I've no time for it in my classes. As a teacher I'm very sure my insurance (along with other instructor insurances) would not cover me if a injury happen to either a person smoking cannabis or to someone one training with that person, and the class instructor willingly knew it. It would be the same for any drug, even alcohol. What people do on their own time its their business, but if they bring it into training room, than they bringing it into other people lives.

    If you can't train your or develop inside your chosen art without smoking cannabis, than its a poor showing of the art in my view


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    So far from reading this thread, the attitude is that cannabis makes you feel more relaxed, more focuses, more in tune. But, and the be blunt, you're high so what you feel may be completely different from reality. People who are high have their perceptions altered, and as such you may be a danger not only to yourself but to others. You may be far more willing to do risky movements or to do them in a sloppy manner. If I get injured on the mat then its all part of the sport, if I get injured on the mat because my opponent was stoned at the time and did something stupid, its a very different matter. Martial Arts of any kind require trust, and you can't trust someone when their high.
    Roper wrote: »
    As a guy with a troublesome social conscience I can't in all honesty pay into an industry that promotes and pays for gangs, death and violence. Even if my money is paying for what is obviously a benign drug, it's also paying for heroin importation and supply.

    Thats exactly my stance on illegal drug use. More then likely we share this view for the same reasons.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Lab_Mouse


    Hi Dragon,
    first off it was said tongue in cheek,but it is well documented what the effects off steroid abuse are,

    http://www.medicinenet.com/anabolic_steroid_abuse/page4.htm#health

    I said steroids doe funny things to yer balls,the above link says your testicles shrink-same thing but one described by a doctor(which im not)

    Im not condoning the use of any drug so lay off with the censorship baloney


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    i sure hope you've never driven a car or used a bus boston, fueling middle eastern terrorism like that. Shame on you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Boston wrote: »
    So far from reading this thread, the attitude is that cannabis makes you feel more relaxed, more focuses, more in tune. But, and the be blunt, you're high so what you feel may be completely different from reality. People who are high have their perceptions altered, and as such you may be a danger not only to yourself but to others. You may be far more willing to do risky movements or to do them in a sloppy manner. If I get injured on the mat then its all part of the sport, if I get injured on the mat because my opponent was stoned at the time and did something stupid, its a very different matter. Martial Arts of any kind require trust, and you can't trust someone when their high.

    And this is exactly why i hate this type of conversation.

    Boston, out of interest, how many times have you smoked cannabis, and to what degree?

    Just curious is all.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Lab_Mouse wrote: »
    Hi Dragon,
    first off it was said tongue in cheek,but it is well documented what the effects off steroid abuse are,

    http://www.medicinenet.com/anabolic_steroid_abuse/page4.htm#health

    I said steroids doe funny things to yer balls,the above link says your testicles shrink-same thing but one described by a doctor(which im not)

    Im not condoning the use of any drug so lay off with the censorship baloney

    So invest in the use of smilies to show when you are joking. Anything shown with an indicator of humour will be taken as serious.

    Asking people to back up what they are saying is hardly that much of a reach is it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    Mordeth wrote: »
    i sure hope you've never driven a car or used a bus boston, fueling middle eastern terrorism like that. Shame on you.

    Theres a direct cause and affect relationship. Theres corruption inherent in any system made by men, that's life, and we try to minimise it as much as possible. The drug trade is just corrupt full stop.
    Dragan wrote: »
    And this is exactly why i hate this type of conversation.

    Boston, out of interest, how many times have you smoked cannabis, and to what degree?

    Just curious is all.

    Never have, never will.

    Several friends did/ do. I treat the claims that it's a performance enhancer the same way I treat the claims that its a conversation enhancer.

    "Man like, ummm... Man.. yea know"

    The problem with these conversations is that its all anecdotal. Maybe you are more focused not because of the actual physical effects of the cannabis but rather because of the belief "if I smoke a joint, I'll be more focused, more relaxed, more whatever". Can someone point to an actual study to support any of this?

    I dance better when I've been drinking, therefore alcohol makes you a better dancer. No, only my perception of my own ability has changed. In fact my ability to control my body has diminished with alcohol, as studies have shown.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Boston wrote: »
    Never have, never will.

    Cool. To be honest,it doesn't alter your sense of reality in any way, and much like being drunk, there is a scale of being "high".

    A joint will not alter you sense of reality and if any of your mates are claiming it does they are either smoking Primo **** or are full of ****.

    All your points are valid by the way, i'd never smoke before training simply because i wouldn't drink before training etc etc.

    Any time i have rolled with someone with a joint in me they knew about it, may have had a smoke themselves and we were probably watching a UFC at the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭roo1981


    Dont think I'd fancy training whacked...gotta say I quiet enjoy the odd post training spliff though, works wonders for getting to sleep a lil earlier after tough session

    As for the whole supporting drug trade malarky, if it pisses you off just grow your own :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭Maldini2706


    I think if people wanna smoke before training that's up to them, but saying it clarifies things and makes transitions more fluid sounds like someone trying to justify it to themselves.

    I personally knock back a few beers before training cos being langers increases my pain threshold.:rolleyes:

    Why would they need to justify it to themselves? Strange comment
    silat liam wrote: »
    If you can't train your or develop inside your chosen art without smoking cannabis, than its a poor showing of the art in my view

    Another weird comment, nobody's saying they can't do it without smoking, just that it makes it better.
    Boston wrote: »
    Never have, never will.

    Several friends did/ do. I treat the claims that it's a performance enhancer the same way I treat the claims that its a conversation enhancer.

    "Man like, ummm... Man.. yea know"

    I've probably smoked less than 20 times in my life, but what I've learnt is that it's a personality enhancer. What I mean by that is that if you're an idiot, you'll be even more of an idiot after smoking. If you're intelligent and creative you'll be more creative after smoking. People (here especially) seem to associate smoking with being dumb, but some of the most intelligent people I know smoke several times a week.

    It's only illegal because of the crazy propaganda that was propagated in the early part of the last century in the states, but that's a whole other thread.


    They had this very discussion elsewhere recently: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/archive/index.php?t-111200661.html

    Here's Rogan talking about weed, might be interesting for some, he mentions doing weed before rolling in it too



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Why would a comedian's opinion be any more valid than anyone's on here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭Maldini2706


    Roper wrote: »
    Why would a comedian's opinion be any more valid than anyone's on here?

    Well I never said it was more valid, but he's a brown belt in jiu-jitsu who knows and associates with many of the best jiu-jitsu practioners in the world so he's worth listening to at least. Bravo dedicates a whole chapter to it in his book, Nate and Nick Diaz have spoken about it and many Brazilians are known for it too.


    Also, it seems like a lot of people in this thread have never even smoked.

    Ha, I didn't even realise the video was posted in the first post, didn't watch it, oops :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    Also, it seems like a lot of people in this thread have never even smoked.

    Ha, I didn't even realise the video was posted in the first post, didn't watch it, oops :)

    Too stoned to notice both the video and that 1 person doesn't equal 'alot' ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭Maldini2706


    Boston wrote: »
    Too stoned to notice both the video and that 1 person doesn't equal 'alot' ?

    Haha, predictable, I haven't smoked in about 6 months I'd say. Like I said, I don't smoke much at all.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Clive


    Well I've trained both stoned and drunk and I can indeed confirm that neither particularly opened my mind. It's just like having sex - drunk you're happy to lash away until you quickly get tired, stoned you're happy to chill in poor positions as long as you're safe.

    Anyways, I can't believe that people actually buy into the Eddie Bravo/Joe Rogan foolishness - it's all a marketing ploy.


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