cannabis and the martial arts

roneythetube

allo

I saw an interesting Youtube video today where Joe Rogan (? - ) a US comedian, writer etc talked about using cannabis before he went out on the mat for BJJ.
he spoke of training 4 times a week and training with some highly ranked US players who also used cannabis in conjuction with their BJJ training.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMLSyOMiYd4&feature=related


anyone else have experience of this?

on a personal note i used to train in a gym where i worked and loved nothing more than having a shmoke befor a good workout.

as with many things cannabis helped me to focus better and move into 'the zone' when training.
i know of others who also use cannabis as an aid to sports training.

anyone else?

Lab_Mouse

You'd be surprised at who smokes/doesnt smoke dope but I doubt you will get many admitting it on this forum try after hours:)

Having said that its not a performance enhancing drug.Any one remember the american snow boarder that won bronze at the winter olympics in japan who tested positive for marijuana..he claimed he was at a party where grass was being smoked and he inhaled it passively(yeah right:rolleyes:).Was allowed to keep his bit of brass,

could be worse you could take steroids(does funny things to yer balls apparently,gives you muscles in the wrong places)

Nothingcompares

nah i don't roll while stoned, but i do all my clinch training on pills, it's good for hugging

Khannie

Lab_Mouse wrote: »

Having said that its not a performance enhancing drug.

Depends on your personality really. If you're someone whose nerves might severely affect performance then it's a performance enhancing drug.

I should say I'm clean as a whistle. Wouldn't want to hit someone in the head any other way. If something went wrong well at least I wouldn't have to wrestle with that horrible guilt.

Tim_Murphy

I've been meaning to do this ever since I read the intro to Eddie Bravo's rubber guard book but have yet to get around to it...
Sounds like great craic.

roneythetube

yeah its an interesting one. i don't think it could be classed as a performance enhancing drug. cannabis culture plays a significant role in the skateboarding/snowboarding/surfboarding communities.

did any of you ever read 'a fighters heart' by sam sheridan? a great book where he describes the significant cannabis culture among the BJJ community where he trained in Brazil.

though i suppose cannabis culture is widespread in Brazil and it would be used in a variety of activities from football to capoiera to volleyball all the way to BJJ and beyond.

Personally i find cannabis enhances all sport. from a gym workout, to stretches at home to going for a good long run. i am a judo beginner and love to get on the mat after a fat bong!

anyone else dare to admit to it!

Maldini2706

roneythetube wrote: »

yeah its an interesting one. i don't think it could be classed as a performance enhancing drug.

roneythetube wrote: »

Personally i find cannabis enhances all sport. from a gym workout, to stretches at home to going for a good long run.

Aren't those two statements contradictory? Rogan, Bravo and loads of other BJJ and MMA stars say that smoking before rolling or fighting kind of clarifies your thought patterns and makes everything more fluid.

Charlie3dan

I think if people wanna smoke before training that's up to them, but saying it clarifies things and makes transitions more fluid sounds like someone trying to justify it to themselves.

I personally knock back a few beers before training cos being langers increases my pain threshold.:rolleyes:

Tim_Murphy

I think if people wanna smoke before training that's up to them, but saying it clarifies things and makes transitions more fluid sounds like someone trying to justify it to themselves.

Eddie Bravo and others swear by it and make a big deal about telling others about it. That doesn't sound like people trying to 'justify it to themselves' IMO.

I'd love to try to but have never gotten around to it, plus the Tribal Warfare drug testing program is pretty stringent so I could get myself in trouble. But then again there isn't a TW coming up for a while...

roneythetube

yeah . defo things become more fluid..have to check out this eddie bravo chap.
bruce lee also was known to use cannabis..as did many chinese .

just wondered who here in ireland combines martial arts and cannabis?.

and as for drinking before sport! well i have tried it..it certainly does not enhance my game. maybe darts/pool but certainly not judo:D

Dragan

Lab_Mouse wrote: »

could be worse you could take steroids(does funny things to yer balls apparently,gives you muscles in the wrong places)

It should be noted that steroids are illegal and something that is only allowed on boards for the sake of open discussion.

One of my rules though is that you must know what you are talking about, so please, knock the sensationalism on the head please.

Dragan

Charlie3dan wrote: »

I think if people wanna smoke before training that's up to them, but saying it clarifies things and makes transitions more fluid sounds like someone trying to justify it to themselves.

I personally knock back a few beers before training cos being langers increases my pain threshold.:rolleyes:

I've rolled a few times with people after a smoke. What did i find? I was a bit more relaxed, a bit happier to be there, a bit more willing to flow with the go if you would.

I've only been to a few classes but would never go into one stoned. I just think it would be a bit disrespectful to my fellow MAers and my Instructor.

Roper

Dragan wrote: »

It should be noted that steroids are illegal and something that is only allowed on boards for the sake of open discussion.

Whereas cannabis is... legal now?

As a guy with a troublesome social conscience I can't in all honesty pay into an industry that promotes and pays for gangs, death and violence. Even if my money is paying for what is obviously a benign drug, it's also paying for heroin importation and supply.

Maybe something to think about. Probably you'll ignore it though.

Tim_Murphy

Roper wrote: »

Whereas cannabis is... legal now?

As a guy with a troublesome social conscience I can't in all honesty pay into an industry that promotes and pays for gangs, death and violence. Even if my money is paying for what is obviously a benign drug, it's also paying for heroin importation and supply.

Maybe something to think about. Probably you'll ignore it though.

I take it you only buy Fair Trade goods too so Barry?

Dragan

Roper wrote: »

Whereas cannabis is... legal now?

As a guy with a troublesome social conscience I can't in all honesty pay into an industry that promotes and pays for gangs, death and violence. Even if my money is paying for what is obviously a benign drug, it's also paying for heroin importation and supply.

Maybe something to think about. Probably you'll ignore it though.

No, the discussion of any illegal drug is under the same rule. If someone came on here and said cannabis is harmless and a must for competition then i would ban them, the same as if they said it about steroids.

And yes Barry, i'm really not in the mood for this turning into a social debate.

If people want to pontificate on stuff then fine, once they can show they have some kind of actual information on what they are talking about.

"does funny things to your balls, give you muscles in the wrong places" doesn't cut it.

Roper

Tim_Murphy wrote: »

I take it you only buy Fair Trade goods too so Barry?

No because the notion of fair trade is falacious. The link between the narcotics trade and how "not very nice" people make their money is very direct and in some cases, living beside me.:mad:

I support the legalisation of cannabis for medicinal and social uses by the by, until that happens though I won't be rolling with it on board unless I go to Amsterdam . I've just seen too much direct damage to bring myself in good conscience to pay into that.

silat liam

I have to say, if I discovered someone in my class, was smoking cannabis, just before they start training in one of my classes, they would very quickly and politely be asked to stop training that evening. If it happens a second time then they wouldn't be back. I've no time for it in my classes. As a teacher I'm very sure my insurance (along with other instructor insurances) would not cover me if a injury happen to either a person smoking cannabis or to someone one training with that person, and the class instructor willingly knew it. It would be the same for any drug, even alcohol. What people do on their own time its their business, but if they bring it into training room, than they bringing it into other people lives.

If you can't train your or develop inside your chosen art without smoking cannabis, than its a poor showing of the art in my view

Boston

So far from reading this thread, the attitude is that cannabis makes you feel more relaxed, more focuses, more in tune. But, and the be blunt, you're high so what you feel may be completely different from reality. People who are high have their perceptions altered, and as such you may be a danger not only to yourself but to others. You may be far more willing to do risky movements or to do them in a sloppy manner. If I get injured on the mat then its all part of the sport, if I get injured on the mat because my opponent was stoned at the time and did something stupid, its a very different matter. Martial Arts of any kind require trust, and you can't trust someone when their high.

Roper wrote: »

As a guy with a troublesome social conscience I can't in all honesty pay into an industry that promotes and pays for gangs, death and violence. Even if my money is paying for what is obviously a benign drug, it's also paying for heroin importation and supply.

Thats exactly my stance on illegal drug use. More then likely we share this view for the same reasons.

Lab_Mouse

Hi Dragon,
first off it was said tongue in cheek,but it is well documented what the effects off steroid abuse are,

http://www.medicinenet.com/anabolic_steroid_abuse/page4.htm#health

I said steroids doe funny things to yer balls,the above link says your testicles shrink-same thing but one described by a doctor(which im not)

Im not condoning the use of any drug so lay off with the censorship baloney

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

i sure hope you've never driven a car or used a bus boston, fueling middle eastern terrorism like that. Shame on you.

Dragan

Boston wrote: »

So far from reading this thread, the attitude is that cannabis makes you feel more relaxed, more focuses, more in tune. But, and the be blunt, you're high so what you feel may be completely different from reality. People who are high have their perceptions altered, and as such you may be a danger not only to yourself but to others. You may be far more willing to do risky movements or to do them in a sloppy manner. If I get injured on the mat then its all part of the sport, if I get injured on the mat because my opponent was stoned at the time and did something stupid, its a very different matter. Martial Arts of any kind require trust, and you can't trust someone when their high.

And this is exactly why i hate this type of conversation.

Boston, out of interest, how many times have you smoked cannabis, and to what degree?

Just curious is all.

Dragan

Lab_Mouse wrote: »

Hi Dragon,
first off it was said tongue in cheek,but it is well documented what the effects off steroid abuse are,

http://www.medicinenet.com/anabolic_steroid_abuse/page4.htm#health

I said steroids doe funny things to yer balls,the above link says your testicles shrink-same thing but one described by a doctor(which im not)

Im not condoning the use of any drug so lay off with the censorship baloney

So invest in the use of smilies to show when you are joking. Anything shown with an indicator of humour will be taken as serious.

Asking people to back up what they are saying is hardly that much of a reach is it?

Boston

Mordeth wrote: »

i sure hope you've never driven a car or used a bus boston, fueling middle eastern terrorism like that. Shame on you.

Theres a direct cause and affect relationship. Theres corruption inherent in any system made by men, that's life, and we try to minimise it as much as possible. The drug trade is just corrupt full stop.

Dragan wrote: »

And this is exactly why i hate this type of conversation.

Boston, out of interest, how many times have you smoked cannabis, and to what degree?

Just curious is all.

Never have, never will.

Several friends did/ do. I treat the claims that it's a performance enhancer the same way I treat the claims that its a conversation enhancer.

"Man like, ummm... Man.. yea know"

The problem with these conversations is that its all anecdotal. Maybe you are more focused not because of the actual physical effects of the cannabis but rather because of the belief "if I smoke a joint, I'll be more focused, more relaxed, more whatever". Can someone point to an actual study to support any of this?

I dance better when I've been drinking, therefore alcohol makes you a better dancer. No, only my perception of my own ability has changed. In fact my ability to control my body has diminished with alcohol, as studies have shown.

Dragan

Boston wrote: »

Never have, never will.

Cool. To be honest,it doesn't alter your sense of reality in any way, and much like being drunk, there is a scale of being "high".

A joint will not alter you sense of reality and if any of your mates are claiming it does they are either smoking Primo **** or are full of ****.

All your points are valid by the way, i'd never smoke before training simply because i wouldn't drink before training etc etc.

Any time i have rolled with someone with a joint in me they knew about it, may have had a smoke themselves and we were probably watching a UFC at the time.

roo1981

Dont think I'd fancy training whacked...gotta say I quiet enjoy the odd post training spliff though, works wonders for getting to sleep a lil earlier after tough session

As for the whole supporting drug trade malarky, if it pisses you off just grow your own

Maldini2706

Charlie3dan wrote: »

I think if people wanna smoke before training that's up to them, but saying it clarifies things and makes transitions more fluid sounds like someone trying to justify it to themselves.

I personally knock back a few beers before training cos being langers increases my pain threshold.:rolleyes:

Why would they need to justify it to themselves? Strange comment

silat liam wrote: »

If you can't train your or develop inside your chosen art without smoking cannabis, than its a poor showing of the art in my view

Another weird comment, nobody's saying they can't do it without smoking, just that it makes it better.

Boston wrote: »

Never have, never will.

Several friends did/ do. I treat the claims that it's a performance enhancer the same way I treat the claims that its a conversation enhancer.

"Man like, ummm... Man.. yea know"

I've probably smoked less than 20 times in my life, but what I've learnt is that it's a personality enhancer. What I mean by that is that if you're an idiot, you'll be even more of an idiot after smoking. If you're intelligent and creative you'll be more creative after smoking. People (here especially) seem to associate smoking with being dumb, but some of the most intelligent people I know smoke several times a week.

It's only illegal because of the crazy propaganda that was propagated in the early part of the last century in the states, but that's a whole other thread.


They had this very discussion elsewhere recently: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/archive/index.php?t-111200661.html

Here's Rogan talking about weed, might be interesting for some, he mentions doing weed before rolling in it too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMLSyOMiYd4

Roper

Why would a comedian's opinion be any more valid than anyone's on here?

Maldini2706

Roper wrote: »

Why would a comedian's opinion be any more valid than anyone's on here?

Well I never said it was more valid, but he's a brown belt in jiu-jitsu who knows and associates with many of the best jiu-jitsu practioners in the world so he's worth listening to at least. Bravo dedicates a whole chapter to it in his book, Nate and Nick Diaz have spoken about it and many Brazilians are known for it too.


Also, it seems like a lot of people in this thread have never even smoked.

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Ha, I didn't even realise the video was posted in the first post, didn't watch it, oops

Boston

Maldini2706 wrote: »

Also, it seems like a lot of people in this thread have never even smoked.

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Ha, I didn't even realise the video was posted in the first post, didn't watch it, oops

Too stoned to notice both the video and that 1 person doesn't equal 'alot' ?

Maldini2706

Boston wrote: »

Too stoned to notice both the video and that 1 person doesn't equal 'alot' ?

Haha, predictable, I haven't smoked in about 6 months I'd say. Like I said, I don't smoke much at all.

Clive

Well I've trained both stoned and drunk and I can indeed confirm that neither particularly opened my mind. It's just like having sex - drunk you're happy to lash away until you quickly get tired, stoned you're happy to chill in poor positions as long as you're safe.

Anyways, I can't believe that people actually buy into the Eddie Bravo/Joe Rogan foolishness - it's all a marketing ploy.

Kila

To step slightly outside conjecture here - there have been numerous studies done on the use of various doping agents in sports, cannabis included.

These studies have differed on a number of points, but one which has remained consistent across studies has been the assertion that cannabis is an ergolytic (rather than an ergogenic) drug - i.e. a drug which physically and/or mentally impairs a user.

In addition to a number of studies demonstrating negative correlation between elite athletes and drug use in sport, there have also been studies where the effects of cannabis in athletes has been directly monitored. In a study of ten male cyclists, it was shown that their peak performance dropped after taking cannabis. In another study of 161 athletes who were given cannabis, a general decrement in standing steadiness, simple and complex reaction times, and psychomotor skills was observed.

Cannabis makes the heart work harder and limits sports performance. It increases heart rate and decreases cardiac stroke volume. If you honestly think that this will improve your sports performance, then you must have a very poor understanding of how your body works, and how best to make your body work for your chosen sport.

In particular, if you are doing martial arts, you're not just putting yourself at risk, but you're putting your partner at risk too - generally speaking, you don't pursue any martial art completely alone, which means that when you are training high, you're training with someone else. As a complete aside from quite possibly detracting from their training session by being a poor partner, you're also at risk of hurting them because you are physically and/or mentally impaired. Your fine joint manipulation skills will not function as well (exactly the same as if you were drunk, or if your body was dumping adrenaline), and your body will be under increased stress to perform every move.

With all of the above considered, I can't see why anyone would think it's a good idea to get high before training, because it seems so very careless. You wouldn't train if you were sick, you wouldn't train if you were drunk, why train if you're high?



Sources:
* Ergolytic drugs in medicine and sport - Eichner ER ; AM J Med, 1993; 94 (2), 205-11
* Marijuana as doping in sports - Campos D.R., Yonamine M, and de Moraes Moreau R.L. ; Sports Med 2003; 33 (6): 395-399
* Sporting activity and drug use: alcohol, cigarette and cannabis use among elite student athletes - Peretti-Watel P., Guagliardo V., Verger P., Pruvost J., Mignon P., Obadia Y. ; Addiction, 98, 1249–1256

t-ha

Nice post ^^^ but I don't think the argument is for peak work output or similar qualities - it's more about intent focus on a single task and being physically very relaxed and enhancing kinesthesia.

Personally I can't stand the stuff - feeling sleepy? I can do that on my own! Also the craziness is a problem...

Kila

Some studies agree that it relaxes you, but not that it makes you focussed. It actively impairs your performance in a number of simple and non-simple tasks by impairing you both physically and mentally, neither of which will enhance your ability.

I'm not just quoting those studies as an example of how it affects peak performance, but just about how it affects performance in general. If it affects fine motor control, psychomotor movements, balance, reaction times, etc., then it doesn't matter whether you're just training for the hell of it, or training for the Olympics, you're still kidding yourself if you think your getting more out of your training by getting high.

Roper

Clive wrote: »

Well I've trained both stoned and drunk and I can indeed confirm that neither particularly opened my mind. It's just like having sex - drunk you're happy to lash away until you quickly get tired, stoned you're happy to chill in poor positions as long as you're safe.

Anyways, I can't believe that people actually buy into the Eddie Bravo/Joe Rogan foolishness - it's all a marketing ploy.

That bottom bit was my point re: Rogan, and that top bit is not going to get you any from all the ladeez who don't read this forum.

Pride Fighter

Kila wrote: »

To step slightly outside conjecture here - there have been numerous studies done on the use of various doping agents in sports, cannabis included.

These studies have differed on a number of points, but one which has remained consistent across studies has been the assertion that cannabis is an ergolytic (rather than an ergogenic) drug - i.e. a drug which physically and/or mentally impairs a user.

In addition to a number of studies demonstrating negative correlation between elite athletes and drug use in sport, there have also been studies where the effects of cannabis in athletes has been directly monitored. In a study of ten male cyclists, it was shown that their peak performance dropped after taking cannabis. In another study of 161 athletes who were given cannabis, a general decrement in standing steadiness, simple and complex reaction times, and psychomotor skills was observed.

Cannabis makes the heart work harder and limits sports performance. It increases heart rate and decreases cardiac stroke volume. If you honestly think that this will improve your sports performance, then you must have a very poor understanding of how your body works, and how best to make your body work for your chosen sport.

In particular, if you are doing martial arts, you're not just putting yourself at risk, but you're putting your partner at risk too - generally speaking, you don't pursue any martial art completely alone, which means that when you are training high, you're training with someone else. As a complete aside from quite possibly detracting from their training session by being a poor partner, you're also at risk of hurting them because you are physically and/or mentally impaired. Your fine joint manipulation skills will not function as well (exactly the same as if you were drunk, or if your body was dumping adrenaline), and your body will be under increased stress to perform every move.

With all of the above considered, I can't see why anyone would think it's a good idea to get high before training, because it seems so very careless. You wouldn't train if you were sick, you wouldn't train if you were drunk, why train if you're high?



Sources:
* Ergolytic drugs in medicine and sport - Eichner ER ; AM J Med, 1993; 94 (2), 205-11
* Marijuana as doping in sports - Campos D.R., Yonamine M, and de Moraes Moreau R.L. ; Sports Med 2003; 33 (6): 395-399
* Sporting activity and drug use: alcohol, cigarette and cannabis use among elite student athletes - Peretti-Watel P., Guagliardo V., Verger P., Pruvost J., Mignon P., Obadia Y. ; Addiction, 98, 1249–1256

It does not explain Nick Diaz battering Takanori Gomi while shitfaced does it.

Nothingcompares

You don't understand Pride_fighter. Surely it's more resonable to conclude that Diaz won that fight despite being under the influences of cannabis. Imagine how he would have ****ed him up while "sober"?

Boston

Excellent well founded and backed up post kila

Pride Fighter

Nothingcompares wrote: »

You don't understand Pride_fighter. Surely it's more resonable to conclude that Diaz won that fight despite being under the influences of cannabis. Imagine how he would have ****ed him up while "sober"?

He would never have seen such a wild submission if we were to believe the likes of Bravo and Rogan. I think it was the first ever omoplata in MMA!

jim o doom

Roper wrote: »

Whereas cannabis is... legal now?

As a guy with a troublesome social conscience I can't in all honesty pay into an industry that promotes and pays for gangs, death and violence. Even if my money is paying for what is obviously a benign drug, it's also paying for heroin importation and supply.

Maybe something to think about. Probably you'll ignore it though.

I see this argument trotted out so often it totally sickens me. PLENTY of people grow their own; and use and share with friends, is that helping the importation of heroin or drug gangs? no. a friend of mine with MS grows his own, how does that help "crime"? I don't grow, but I would love to.. whenever I manage to get a house, eh?

With regards to training, I have only done it high a few times, and it wasn't good for me - I was defo slower & doing loads of squats & pushups as part of a warm up is not fun at all (for me) when whacked! That being said, after a good work out, a shower, a nice meal & then a few smokes is great to chill out and relax

Boston

plenty don't grow their in Ireland. You need specialist equipment and knowledge. The vast majority is imported and sold by very nasty people. I couldn't care less what you do to yourself beyond that. If you like you can grow some opium poppies in your attic and have yourself a great time.

PADRAIC.M

just to point out it was a gogoplata not an omoplata, and its the second one successfully done in mma, first was 2 months earlier by shinya aoki on Joachim hansen at prides new years eve show.
Now back on topic! :-)

Pride Fighter

PADRAIC.M wrote: »

just to point out it was a gogoplata not an omoplata, and its the second one successfully done in mma, first was 2 months earlier by shinya aoki on Joachim hansen at prides new years eve show.
Now back on topic! :-)

I was shitfaced while typing, I have no idea what I was typing:D

Roper

jim o doom wrote: »

I see this argument trotted out so often it totally sickens me. PLENTY of people grow their own; and use and share with friends, is that helping the importation of heroin or drug gangs? no. a friend of mine with MS grows his own, how does that help "crime"? I don't grow, but I would love to.. whenever I manage to get a house, eh?

I'm sure that every dealer you've ever bought off "only sells to his mates" too eh?

My friend grows his own, has a greenhouse and everything and has them in between the tomatoes. He reckons he can just about support his own modest recreational habit with 2 large plants but he still has to go to dealers occasionally. Having seen the lengths he goes to to be self reliant, I don't believe in the "I grow my own" bollocks.

Drederick tatum

Cannabis is for losers, smoking in general is a joke and any lads that consider themselves athletes while smoking anything are muppets-:)

Roper

Drederick tatum wrote: »

Cannabis is for losers, smoking in general is a joke and any lads that consider themselves athletes while smoking anything are muppets-:)

And what about drinkers? Real science (unfettered by certain interests) would seem to suggest that recreational use of cannabis is far more healthy than alcohol use. Most people drink to some extent, athletes or otherwise. People point to effects on the lungs but alcohol effects blood sugar, the liver and on and on and on...

I don't think it's so cut and dried. (badoom tis)

cowzerp

Roper wrote: »

And what about drinkers?
I don't think it's so cut and dried. (badoom tis)

I agree.

Drinking while been in season for an athlete is stupid too, or for a fighter in the time your preparing for a fight, off season is different imo. ps, i hate smoking at all, so cant stick up for it in anyway.

roo1981

Boston wrote: »

plenty don't grow their in Ireland. You need specialist equipment and knowledge. .

Not really, its pretty easy to grow, just depends on how you want to go about it. Some of the biggest plants I've seen have been from seeds that were thrown out in the back yard at the right time of year

Boston wrote: »

The vast majority is imported and sold by very nasty people. .

All the more reason to grow your own

Boston wrote: »

I couldn't care less what you do to yourself beyond that. If you like you can grow some opium poppies in your attic and have yourself a great time.

Funny you should mention that-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-468430/The-painkilling-fields-Englands-opium-poppies-tackle-NHS-morphine-crisis.html

Maldini2706

Clive wrote: »

Well I've trained both stoned and drunk and I can indeed confirm that neither particularly opened my mind. It's just like having sex - drunk you're happy to lash away until you quickly get tired, stoned you're happy to chill in poor positions as long as you're safe.

Anyways, I can't believe that people actually buy into the Eddie Bravo/Joe Rogan foolishness - it's all a marketing ploy.

Marketing for what?

Nothingcompares

I think we can safely say that Joe Rogan and Eddie Bravo are unofficial spokespeople for the spread of the legalisation of cannabis. So you could argue they are marketing a concept "legalise Hash/pot/weed"

Obviously it's difficult to tie this topic back to martial arts but like every other reasonable person its easy to see the inconsistency with having alcohol and cigarettes as legal highs and cannabis as illegal highs.

Maybe if cannabis was legalised in developed world for recreational use it would provide people in the developing world with a cash crop to invest in legitimately and without the hassles of dealing with drug dealers. Perhaps the associated revenue of taxation and the loss of earning for drug dealers would be a good thing for the governements.

But then again, how can a society that is trying to wean its citizens off alcohol and cigarette (ab)use sanction another recreational drug? And why stop at cannabis, surely ecstasy and mushrooms should receive the same hypothetical treatment? (not sure what the current status is on magic mushrooms).

Maldini2706

Nothingcompares wrote: »

I think we can safely say that Joe Rogan and Eddie Bravo are unofficial spokespeople for the spread of the legalisation of cannabis. So you could argue they are marketing a concept "legalise Hash/pot/weed"

Obviously it's difficult to tie this topic back to martial arts but like every other reasonable person its easy to see the inconsistency with having alcohol and cigarettes as legal highs and cannabis as illegal highs.

Maybe if cannabis was legalised in developed world for recreational use it would provide people in the developing world with a cash crop to invest in legitimately and without the hassles of dealing with drug dealers. Perhaps the associated revenue of taxation and the loss of earning for drug dealers would be a good thing for the governements.

But then again, how can a society that is trying to wean its citizens off alcohol and cigarette (ab)use sanction another recreational drug? And why stop at cannabis, surely ecstasy and mushrooms should receive the same hypothetical treatment? (not sure what the current status is on magic mushrooms).

Weed more or less is legal in California where they live, anyone who suffers from "stress" or "insomnia" can get it on prescription. I know where you're coming from, but there are far more compelling arguments for legalisation than it improving someone's BJJ game, besides, marketing suggests they're selling something.