toll beating methods

Bearcat

well here's one, never wash your car. I saw as it passed me the front reg was unreadable too. Cop car went by it and not a bother....some country.

(I am in a left hooker as passenger when shot taken)

Danbo!

For motorbikes:



Lucky, Very lucky

Bearcat wrote: »

Cop car went by it and not a bother....some country.

You mean they didnt even stop you using a camera while driving!

Berty

On the bright side. Look at that. The Majority of drivers are in the left hand most lane. :eek:

Lumen

quirke_folder wrote: »

On the bright side. Look at that. The Majority of drivers are in the left hand most lane. :eek:

That's just not believable - it must be a Photoshop.

legalbird12

If you drive right up the arse of a truck can the camera still get a picture of your reg???

OldmanMondeo

legalbird12 wrote: »

If you drive right up the arse of a truck can the camera still get a picture of your reg???

Yip, takes pictures bith front and back. Seen some fool weaving between lanes to try and hide behind trucks. Richard-Head nearly side swiped my car.

legalbird12

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Yip, takes pictures bith front and back. Seen some fool weaving between lanes to try and hide behind trucks. Richard-Head nearly side swiped my car.

Where is the camera that takes a picture from the back??

Danbo!

legalbird12 wrote: »

Where is the camera that takes a picture from the back??

I would assume on behind the one that takes the pic of your front reg

leon8v

There are no cameras taking pictures of the back of your car. It was something Eflow came out with to try scare drivers, obviously worked with some. If you look up at the gantry there are only cameras facing at the front of the cars. Tailgating a truck works a treat. Have done it myself a few times and works well, no charges for the times I did it. Some truck drivers will even slow down a bit to allow you get in tight.

Stephen

M50 one definately only takes photos of the front plate, which is why its free for bikes.

Berty

leon8v wrote: »

Tailgating a truck works a treat. Have done it myself a few times and works well, no charges for the times I did it. Some truck drivers will even slow down a bit to allow you get in tight.

You should be embarassed to claim to have tailgated. Your risking the lives of everybody around you to say yourself a few EURO.

How do you know truck drivers are slowing down for you?

Berty

I cant tell you where to buy one of these(being illegal and all that) so here is a You Tube video that was made for the purposes.

Dont PM me either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ0JMAV2DGg

leon8v

quirke_folder wrote: »

You should be embarassed to claim to have tailgated. Your risking the lives of everybody around you to say yourself a few EURO.

How do you know truck drivers are slowing down for you?

How are you risking lives going under the gantry at 5 maybe 10kph in rush hour traffic heading northbound where on many occasions its still at a standstill there due to the roadworks. I tried it to see if it worked as its a flaw in the system and it did work. I wasnt charged. I wouldnt do it in fast moving traffic but if you were to do it, it works, so why is a system which promotes dangerous driving being used???

The thumbs up from the truck driver gave it away.

Berty

leon8v wrote: »

How are you risking lives going under the gantry at 5 maybe 10kph in rush hour traffic heading northbound where on many occasions its still at a standstill there due to the roadworks. I tried it to see if it worked as its a flaw in the system and it did work. I wasnt charged. I wouldnt do it in fast moving traffic but if you were to do it, it works, so why is a system which promotes dangerous driving being used???

The thumbs up from the truck driver gave it away.

ROTR =

Tailgating is the practice of driving on a road too closely behind another vehicle, such as less than the travel distance in two seconds or, equivalently, one vehicle-length for every 8 km/h (5 mph) of the current speed.

Guy:Incognito

leon8v wrote: »

How are you risking lives going under the gantry at 5 maybe 10kph in rush hour traffic heading northbound where on many occasions its still at a standstill there due to the roadworks. I tried it to see if it worked as its a flaw in the system and it did work. I wasnt charged. I wouldnt do it in fast moving traffic but if you were to do it, it works, so why is a system which promotes dangerous driving being used???

The thumbs up from the truck driver gave it away.

How does it promote dangerous driving. The only thing that makes you do stupid things is you.

Closing your eyes and drivign through red lights is dangerous driving too, is the government promoting this by having red light that cost you time on your journey?

Savman

I'm all for beating the toll but ain't a chance in hell you'll catch me tailgating HGV's to save 2 euro :eek:

That's kind of driving cannot be justified.

ART6

I really fail to understand why anyone would go to such lengths to avoid the opportunity to give our government some much needed money for something we've already paid for:rolleyes:

Lucifer

I am almost positive that there are both front and rear facing ANPR cameras. You only see the front facing ones as you dont look back at the rear ones. They are both fixed to the same gantry. I am 99% sure I saw this, maybe someone will get a picture either confirming this or correcting this tomorrow.

Savman

ART6 wrote: »

I really fail to understand why anyone would go to such lengths to avoid the opportunity to give our government some much needed money for something we've already paid for:rolleyes:

Yeah let's rear end some articulated lorries, that'll learn 'em. Powah to tha people.

JamesM

I saw 2 cars over the past week whose numbers looked a bit blurred. When I changed the angle I was looking from, they almost disappeared - and then became clear as the angle changed again. Is this some kind of coating ?

Berty

It is a coating put heavily illegal. If Garda cars here get ANPR then all those people will be picked up on very fast.

Bandara

quirke_folder wrote: »

It is a coating put heavily illegal. If Garda cars here get ANPR then all those people will be picked up on very fast.

can youn imagine how many decades it will take them to

1. Find out about ANPR
2. Agree to buy it
3. Buy it
4. Manage to get it working
5. Figure out how to use it
6. Train all Garda on using it
7. Settle the strike action because they haven't been given more money for using it
8. Realise that by now its ten years later and its defunct technology and abandon the idea altogether

Quint

Typical the way the motors forum has gone. Someone admits to tailgating a truck at 5kmp and everyone slates him, quoting the ROTR! How sad to see a once decent forum turn into this!

Berty

Hammertime wrote: »

can youn imagine how many decades it will take them to

1. Find out about ANPR
2. Agree to buy it
3. Buy it
4. Manage to get it working
5. Figure out how to use it
6. Train all Garda on using it
7. Settle the strike action because they haven't been given more money for using it
8. Realise that by now its ten years later and its defunct technology and abandon the idea altogether

9. Remove it and store it at a cost of millions.

Too True

ShooterSF

The minute someone gloats to beating the system there will always be a do gooder nit picking what he said to give out to him because deep down they're angry that he's not playing by the rules but they don't want to sound like a Johnny law abider.

Was telling a funny 30 second story the other day to a few mates where I "bent" the road laws and a mate went on for a 15 minute rant about the law even though it had nothing to do with the story :mad:

Guy:Incognito

Quint wrote: »

Typical the way the motors forum has gone. Someone admits to tailgating a truck at 5kmp and everyone slates him, quoting the ROTR! How sad to see a once decent forum turn into this!

When was tailgating ever cool, acceptable or the done thing if your a petrolhead?. It is and always was stupid and dangerous.

Going by the rotr definition, to be tailgating at 5kmph youd have to be pretty much stuck to the trucks bumper.Is crashing into the back of a truck ok as long as dotn hit it too hard?

Ciaran500

Hammertime wrote: »

can youn imagine how many decades it will take them to

1. Find out about ANPR
2. Agree to buy it
3. Buy it
4. Manage to get it working
5. Figure out how to use it
6. Train all Garda on using it
7. Settle the strike action because they haven't been given more money for using it
8. Realise that by now its ten years later and its defunct technology and abandon the idea altogether

I thought the new speed camera vans are using ANPR...

Matt Simis

Ciaran500 wrote: »

I thought the new speed camera vans are using ANPR...

Wouldnt that mean they now therefore cant send tickets to a rather large percentage of motorists (like the M50 Toll issue) for various reasons?

Saab Ed

Hammertime wrote: »

can youn imagine how many decades it will take them to

1. Find out about ANPR
2. Agree to buy it
3. Buy it
4. Manage to get it working
5. Figure out how to use it
6. Train all Garda on using it
7. Settle the strike action because they haven't been given more money for using it
8. Realise that by now its ten years later and its defunct technology and abandon the idea altogether

:):):):):):):):)

Anything that avoids the toll is a good thing. Opened in 1990 at a cost of around £1.20 to use at the time the bridge has long since paid for itself. It was originally thought that it would cater for no more than 20,000 vehicles a day and the numbers added up at that. Over the years the cost went up and up and now finally the barriers are gone but for some reason its even more complicated to pay for and if you dont register your car with e flow its 50% more expensive. SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN THE LOGIC. Long live the tail gaters. Is there any other capital city ring road in Europe that charges you a toll to use it. I think not

Savman

Quint wrote: »

Typical the way the motors forum has gone. Someone admits to tailgating a truck at 5kmp and everyone slates him, quoting the ROTR! How sad to see a once decent forum turn into this!

Jesus would you cop on, the guy never said anything about tailgating at 5kph until he was pushed on the issue. That leads me to believe he's most likely telling fibs to cover up his stupid attitude to avoiding a mighty €2 toll. Suggesting that this is in any way linked to car enthusiasts or some sort of high horsery from the rest of us is pure bollocks.

Can't believe there's actually eejits out there who will condone tailgating just to save a couple of euro yet consider themselves a petrolhead. Pathetic.

JJJJNR

Spray on mud FTW !!

Quint

Stekelly wrote: »

When was tailgating ever cool, acceptable or the done thing if your a petrolhead?. It is and always was stupid and dangerous.

Going by the rotr definition, to be tailgating at 5kmph youd have to be pretty much stuck to the trucks bumper.Is crashing into the back of a truck ok as long as dotn hit it too hard?

Savman wrote: »

Jesus would you cop on, the guy never said anything about tailgating at 5kph until he was pushed on the issue. That leads me to believe he's most likely telling fibs to cover up his stupid attitude to avoiding a mighty €2 toll. Suggesting that this is in any way linked to car enthusiasts or some sort of high horsery from the rest of us is pure bollocks.

Can't believe there's actually eejits out there who will condone tailgating just to save a couple of euro yet consider themselves a petrolhead. Pathetic.

You have to be close enough so the camera won't get your front numberplate. Anyone can do it safe enough in slow moving traffic. You don't have to be touching the truck for gods sake.
God help us from the health and safety police

andyeire

Saab Ed wrote: »

Is there any other capital city ring road in Europe that charges you a toll to use it. I think not

The M25

I don't like it but its hardly unique to have tolled motorways

congo_90

my cars flawed front reg seemed to work and i'm ashamed to admit i'm happy with it. Its poorly fitted so faces more down than straight also there is some black mark from where water or something got in and cameras find it hard to read my reg.

I know this because i recently forgot to pay on time and rang up. I was told i cant pay untila letter comes to my house which i was told takes 2-5working days... That was 3 weeks ago

ART6

Savman wrote: »

Jesus would you cop on, the guy never said anything about tailgating at 5kph until he was pushed on the issue. That leads me to believe he's most likely telling fibs to cover up his stupid attitude to avoiding a mighty €2 toll. Suggesting that this is in any way linked to car enthusiasts or some sort of high horsery from the rest of us is pure bollocks.

Can't believe there's actually eejits out there who will condone tailgating just to save a couple of euro yet consider themselves a petrolhead. Pathetic.

Someone using the bridge every day to get to work, at €2 a time each way for (say) 5 days a week and 48 weeks a year, pays €960 a year on top of his annual licence, duty and VAT on his fuel etc etc. It doesn't surprise me that people will go to some lengths to avoid what is simply another government rip off.

Berty

ART6 wrote: »

Someone using the bridge every day to get to work, at €2 a time each way for (say) 5 days a week and 48 weeks a year, pays €960 a year on top of his annual licence, duty and VAT on his fuel etc etc. It doesn't surprise me that people will go to some lengths to avoid what is simply another government rip off.

Halve the price with Cork. Make them pay €1 to pass through the Jack Lynch Tunnell.

Waits backlash from the rebels

Lumen

andyeire wrote: »

The M25

I don't like it but its hardly unique to have tolled motorways

There are no tolls on the M25.

vibe666

Quint wrote: »

Typical the way the motors forum has gone. Someone admits to tailgating a truck at 5kmp and everyone slates him, quoting the ROTR! How sad to see a once decent forum turn into this!

ditto. hardly spend any time here any more for the very same reason. luckily for the PC 'bend over and take it' brigade they don't have to worry about m50 tolls due to the number plates not being visible to the cameras when they're all the way up there on their high horses. :rolleyes:

andyeire wrote: »

The M25

I don't like it but its hardly unique to have tolled motorways

that's not a toll on the motorway, it's a toll to use the dartford bridge/tunnel. you can happily drive round 99.9% of the m25 all day (and it might take you that long) without paying a penny (unless something has changed since I was last there).

L1011

Lumen wrote: »

There are no tolls on the M25.

This is accurate only because the road drops designation to the A282 for the tolled section! Its still an integral part of the M25 loop.

Max_Damage

I'm surprised Run_to_da_hills hasn't posted here yet, or has he been banned!?

Lumen

MYOB wrote: »

This is accurate only because the road drops designation to the A282 for the tolled section! Its still an integral part of the M25 loop.

Fair enough, I'd forgotten about that bit. Essex is a scary place, best avoided

leon8v

Savman wrote: »

Jesus would you cop on, the guy never said anything about tailgating at 5kph until he was pushed on the issue. That leads me to believe he's most likely telling fibs to cover up his stupid attitude to avoiding a mighty €2 toll. Suggesting that this is in any way linked to car enthusiasts or some sort of high horsery from the rest of us is pure b*****s.

Can't believe there's actually eejits out there who will condone tailgating just to save a couple of euro yet consider themselves a petrolhead. Pathetic.

Hold on a second. My first post on this topic was short and went into no detail. The point of the post was that if your reg is hidden by a truck in front of you then the camera will not pick it up. When someone questioned it, I explained that I tested it to see if it works in slow moving traffic, I said 5kph, but on recolection I think I was actually stopped just before the gantry the traffic was that slow. I never at any stage condoned tailgating, what I said was that it works to avoid paying the toll and pointed out that it is a flaw in the system. I pay on average €15-€20 in tolls per week on the M50.

When you are in slow moving traffic Savman do you leave a car lenght for every 5kph you are doing??? Because if you do then you are the only person in Dublin who does.

The fact that the system is not able to pick up car regs if the car is close to a truck is a flaw in the system whether you like it or not. I have no interest in avoiding a €2 toll by driving close to a truck, my initial point was to prove that this is one of many flaws in this ridiculous system.

Savman

ART6 wrote: »

It doesn't surprise me that people will go to some lengths to avoid what is simply another government rip off.

Whoah whoah whoah, I never said I was a fan of the system, it's obviously so full of holes that they've made a right tits of it so far. Beat it if you will, I'm all for that because the operation is so inept, but encouraging driving too close to a truck in front of you is madness. Sure, some of us can do it with ease but unfortunately there are already enough clueless drivers out there without them needing any more encouragement.

leon8v wrote:

I have no interest in avoiding a €2 toll by driving close to a truck, my initial point was to prove that this is one of many flaws in this ridiculous system.

Fair enough, as I say I agree with the crap system just not with going to any lengths to avoid it. There has to be a line drawn somewhere between smart and silly.

For all it's bad points, it sure beats that poxy old toll bridge.

miju

Hammertime wrote: »

can youn imagine how many decades it will take them to

1. Find out about ANPR
2. Agree to buy it
3. Buy it
4. Manage to get it working
5. Figure out how to use it
6. Train all Garda on using it
7. Settle the strike action because they haven't been given more money for using it
8. Realise that by now its ten years later and its defunct technology and abandon the idea altogether

can only imagine how long it will take them to introduce this technology alright

EM2008

I acidentally avoided my tag being charged by switching lanes as I was going under the bridge thingy that beeps it...I must have just missed the two sensors.

dahamsta

Quint wrote: »

Typical the way the motors forum has gone. Someone admits to tailgating a truck at 5kmp and everyone slates him, quoting the ROTR! How sad to see a once decent forum turn into this!

+1. I only come in here now if a thread pops in a a search. The better-than-thou fairies'd drive you demented.

SteelyDanJalapeno

leon8v wrote: »

There are no cameras taking pictures of the back of your car. It was something Eflow came out with to try scare drivers, obviously worked with some. If you look up at the gantry there are only cameras facing at the front of the cars. Tailgating a truck works a treat. Have done it myself a few times and works well, no charges for the times I did it. Some truck drivers will even slow down a bit to allow you get in tight.

To be honest man it sounds like you did more than to just test it,

And at 5 km/h i doubt a truck would be slowing down even more? this might indicate you might of been travelling a bit faster?

Nobody likes paying for this craic but doesnt condone dangerous driving,

Frank the Manc

€93 to you door in about a week
after 24 days it has already paid for itself.

Berty

Frank the Manc wrote: »

€93 to you door in about a week
after 24 days it has already paid for itself.

The person you dont want seeing this will see you doing this on the M50 and report your number plate to the cops. It will be too late when they come knocking on your door. Beware!

Davidth88

The Dartford crossing costs 1 pound sterling ( about 1.50 ish .....I know it may be less or more ) ..... we now pay 3 euro for the west link

ITS A RIP OFF pure and simple.

They used the automated system as a back door to increase the charges by 50%.

If you can sneak behind a lorry then fair play , by the way this does work , I know a number of people who have accounts and it does not register. You don't have to be that close.

Frank the Manc

quirke_folder wrote: »

The person you dont want seeing this will see you doing this on the M50 and report your number plate to the cops. It will be too late when they come knocking on your door. Beware!

ah this yoke is lightening fast, they havnt a hope of clockin you.
worst case ontario its a copper that sees you and you just put the boot down.:D